It is expensive.

For the early levels, just junk it and get new armor. Crafting the armor is the most economical solution.

New armor and weapons from the shops is very expensive also. Do 4 quests to afford one piece of armor @ 400 gold ??

Katrisa wrote: »

I filed a bug the repair costs are out of line. I recommend others file bugs on this issue as well.

I sent a /feedback on that because I agree. Prices are too high.

Yeah, I just became aware of this. It is ridiculous. I was doing some farming, where I took absolutely NO damage. Yet, when I was done, THREE pieces of my gear were completely broken (they started at about 75%), and the others were about 25% or so away from broken.

So I assume the gear takes a durability loss from usage, as well as a loss from damage received and death. I get it, but they need to reduce the rate at which durability loss occurs when you aren't taking damage, or reduce the gold cost per point of durability. I have a 900g bill, and didn't even make nearly that much gold or XP during material farming, for HIDESCRAPS! On top of that, I didn't even get that many scraps!

Not gonna lie. In a Free-to-play game, I expect there to be MANY things that cause me to spend a lot more extra time and in-game money to play. That is understandable, for I would be playing for free, and they need to entice me to Subscribe for time and in-game money saving benefits. However, this game isn't an F2P (not accusing it of a P2W either), yet it has felt like it from day one of 5-day early access. I know it's still new, and many things will undoubtedly get tweaked. I just don't know how long I'm willing to pay for a hopeful update that addresses certain issues.

All in all, there are things that need to be tweaked. There are many workarounds to certain issues. However, principle must be upheld and argued sometimes, in order to make a point.

I never repair, I just breakdown and remake my armor. That way you can also level up the armor so it matches your current level too!

Repair kits seem to be cheaper than paying merchants, at least if something is totally trashed. But I've done well by almost completely avoiding repairs - by simply throwing the old away and putting a new item on. Repairs are for the rare things that last a few more levels - and repair kits are the way to go there.

I hate repair cost in this game. This is not fun at all.

Oh, that would seem a good explanation for why some of my repairs are so expensive. It does seem the most expensive ones were when I replaced worn pieces. I wonder if that's really it or some of the gear you pick up is already damaged or it's taking damage in your inventory.

Doing some checking the repair cost was 7 times the damage to my gear. I would assume that's what the game designer arrived at as a fair value for armor. The vendor buy and sell sets a floor and ceiling on prices. If you can sell it to a vendor for more than to a player you'll sell to the vendor. If you can buy from a vendor cheaper than from a player you'll buy from a vendor. I think they screwed up there. Iron bars are going for 500g per 100. That's 5g per bar, 1g above vendor. So I think there's a whole lot more being gathered than they expected. That low floor just pushed prices way down. Also way too many items drop. Also gold is too scarce. 1g per mob is just brutal. You can't even repair the armor with the gold drops. That's just silly.

Well I imagine low gold drops help with botters, they get an extremely low return rate for their time. Most of the actual value in drops comes from items, which as you noticed, drop a lot. And they don't stack. Meaning a bot will fill up their inventory fairly quickly and be turned useless - a bot you have to babysit is a worthless bot. If that's their scheme, it's actually pretty neat.

As for low prices on harvested resources, it has less to do with the amounts being harvested as with kids not valuing their time and thinking they got those resources "for free". So they just dump them as fast as they can without going straight to vendor.

Seen the same thing in EvE Online, which has the most complex economy of any MMO - players mining ores, thinking they get them for free and completely forgetting all the hours they need to put in to harvest all those ores. Result - dumping prices.

I'ver had a single bill of 1375g for a repair and there's no way I'd pay anything close to that. Just craft yourself a new outfit or get your guildie to do it for you.

I think the repair cost for dying is ok. They need a regular gold sink, and they should give us a reason not to die. However, armor breaks down whether you die or not. Because of the price of repair and degradation I don't buy new armor, I don't craft new armor despite having all the resources to do so.

Whats the point of crafting an elite set only to suffer a regular maintenance fee? Instead I just recycle my armor as I find new pieces. I might craft a special set for dungeons but even so I'm going to vault it when I don't need it. None of my gear matches. I'd love to craft an all nord set I can call my own, but I'm not going to pay the maintenance fee just to look nordish.

A few quick solutions.
1) Allow crafters to repair their own armor with mats
2) Allow crafters to craft their own repair kits, unbound, and gives craft XP.
3) Adjust the price

whardisonb14_ESO wrote: »

This isn't WoW or TOR or anything you've played before.

ZOS made deliberate decisions to guide the in-game economy to becoming something apart from all of the other games out there.

Crafting is useful and relevant. I've personally made every single item I use, with the exception of my jewelry.

The goal of this game isn't hoarding money or having to spend hours and hours farming. They want you to craft excellent items and guild up with people who can make the items you cant.

In that way, money is used for three things:

1.) Repairing your broken gear

2.) Buying motif materials for your own crafting

and, last and least,

3.) Purchasing from other players.

A same-level blue is maybe 400-500g, and my repairs have only been over 2k once. It's not a problem if you understand that Zenimax is trying to put as little emphasis on gold and farming (in the way it's treated in other MMMos) as possible.

Honestly, I love it. I haven't seen a gold seller in two days...and then it was just one guy. Zenimax's treatment of in-game currency and the repair costs are part of a grander picture that led to this.

If they want a less emphasis on gold. They wouldnt have outrageous prices for everything from a single apple for your horse to the over the top repair costs. People see these prices and are being given the impression that the only way theyre going to have what they want in this game is to grind. What will more then likely happen is people will begin to look for the easiest way out. Which means selling items at a ridiculous mark-up price.

When it comes to in-game economy. There is no RIGHT answer. There will always be consequences to the practices used. But there are definitely WRONG choices that can be made. And a heavy handed approach to gold earnings through quests and mob drops coupled with high prices for improvements such as bag space/horse speed and stamina/repair costs/vendor sold gear. Will definitely lead to inflation of prices that the Players do have control over.

Kendaric wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

I think the repair cost for dying is ok. They need a regular gold sink, and they should give us a reason not to die. However, armor breaks down whether you die or not. Because of the price of repair and degradation I don't buy new armor, I don't craft new armor despite having all the resources to do so.

Whats the point of crafting an elite set only to suffer a regular maintenance fee? Instead I just recycle my armor as I find new pieces. I might craft a special set for dungeons but even so I'm going to vault it when I don't need it. None of my gear matches. I'd love to craft an all nord set I can call my own, but I'm not going to pay the maintenance fee just to look nordish.

A few quick solutions.
1) Allow crafters to repair their own armor with mats
2) Allow crafters to craft their own repair kits, unbound, and gives craft XP.
3) Adjust the price

If you maintain your crafted armour regularly and replace it every two levels, the cost is quite low. I have yet to see repair costs go higher than maybe 300 gold for me at level 20 and I tend to die a lot.

The ability for crafters to repair their gear with materials or craft repair kits would be nice though.

It's as you say so long as you replace it regularly. Armor is basically as disposable as napkins. But once you start to get those high level blues and purples that you don't want to get rid of then it gets pretty expensive. I have had some repairs for 1700gold. Our armor just shouldn't be so disposable. I don't think I would mind if if earned that bill by dying, but if I'm just playing the game and succeeding then it seems like a really expensive armor rental fee.
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I'd like to craft an all nord set and have it last 2 levels. But I'm lucky if it lasts 30minutes even without dying or getting stuck. So I've gone from 1-48 with mismatched gear and pretty much no reason to craft anything but weapons. Finding blue/purple armor is nice, but only for about 10 minutes. Blue, white, green, they are all the same after ~30minutes of use. There is something really wrong with the way armor is treated in this game.

I think they need to drastically reduce the amount of armor decay in normal combat, of not outright remove it and leave repair costs solely for dying, but at the current rate, you can hardly kill a single mob without one armor piece getting damaged.