This is Embarrassing (How Some Experienced PVP Players are Treating New Players)

Elong · April 2018

Iskras wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

In the past few days I've been seeing experienced PVP players camping quest towns and killing and teabagging new-to-PVP players who clearly want nothing to do with fighting or capturing flags, and are only there to quest during the anniversary event. I can fully understand killing a group of lowbies once or twice if you're unsure about their intentions, but when that group consistently tries to avoid you and never fights back or tries to flag capture, why not just leave them alone?

It's such a bad look, and I get why some people complain about the PVP experience and don't even want to try it.

I've been talking to some new players who politely asked (through xbox messaging) an enemy alliance group that kept killing them if they could just quest (because they obviously stood no chance against these players). They were met with responses full of swears, insults, and general unpleasantness so they just left and went back to PVE. It's embarrassing.

Abut tbag, report like harassment.

End!

You would get reported a lot.

Slick_007 · April 2018

NBrookus wrote: »

But deliberately camping quest hubs where there are no pvp flags and waiting inside buildings with quest givers? It may be a PVP zone but you'll still a jerk.

spending your time in a pvp zone in the one place you know the enemy will be you mean. its actually smart. not a jerk or anything else. Those quests are designed to be done with the threat of being killed by other players. Given the amount of people there, they picked the best place to find opponents.

All it takes is a group to walk in and its over. They have nowhere to run.

GrumpyDuckling · April 2018

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

allright i will bite, where should we go then to PvP?
and please answer the question i asked earlier as well ...

when we come to PvE Zone should you guys Stop PvE'ing?
serious questions i am asking so please do respond because i am interested very much in knowing the answers.

"allright i will bite, where should we go then to PvP?"
Players can PVP wherever they want. I think you're missing the point. It's not about location, it's about the attitude that some experienced players had towards new players. If a group of max level players who are camping towns and ganking low-level players wants to beat up on new players who obviously can't defend themselves, then they certainly can. They aren't obligated to grant the new players their request of a truce. The part I think is embarrassing is when those experienced players teabag in game and insult the new players via messages. If the experienced players didn't want to let the new players quest, a simple "sorry, no" to the new players' request would have sufficed.

"when we come to PvE Zone should you guys Stop PvE'ing?"
Not a similar circumstance. In most PVE situations players are working together. But if you're implying what I think you are, then see above. If a group of max level players who are camping towns and ganking low-level players wants to beat up on new players who obviously can't defend themselves, then they certainly can. They aren't obligated to grant the new players their request of a truce.

emma666 · April 2018

lol

Integral1900 · April 2018

And pvp wonders why the number of players doing it is so small, with crap like this it would seem the answer is obvious...

To my fellow pve brigade, take a little advice from a life long Care Bear, don’t bother with pvp for this stuff, just wait a day two and take you pick of the bargains when a mountain of this stuff gets dumped in guild traders... if you are after achievements... well, that’s just masochistic to be honest and you going to have to put your head in the blender

Lord_Zele · April 2018

Beardimus wrote: »

It's a PvP zone. Rather than expect a free pass, and be entitled around a place that's 'easy' to farm.10's of boxes quickly there is a view to say plan for this. Has time to prep, get a group together, get some PvP gear on.

Box farmers wanting to farm 100's are most likely gold rich if not before they certainly are after. A few days selling motifs so a small investment in some PvP gear would.be simple enough.

Why not embrace PvP, give it a proper crack knowing that the spoils are there with chance for 50 boxes day. Have a strategy, properly go to Sotha if low CP etc etc etc

But know, players want something for nothing again.

If a PvPer came to do hard mode Assylum to get a perfect staff with no gear, no interest in mechanics just expected a free pass and moaned here about how would that sit?

I'll be clear, i PvE and PvP but they moaning from some PvEers in situations like.these really do give PvEers a bad name.

The PvPers are PvPing in a PvP zone, end of story.

I couldn't have said it any better myself brotha. 100 percent agree with this.

Sylphie · April 2018

Are we really complaining about pvping in a PvP zone?

The only "outnumbering" I've seen this event consists of 12-20man PvE groups running down towns in Shor, which has made for great smallscale pvp. I highly doubt that "experienced pvpers" camping towns and outnumbering new players is a common thing, especially when most players that run small groups are looking for outnumbered pvp themselves, not to run down easy kills.

That said I've played once this event so my experience might be inaccurate.

WuffyCerulei · April 2018

Isn't it an unspoken rule to LEAVE QUESTERS ALONE?? Only butthats farm poor questers trying to get easy boxes. It looks bad on their part to pick on these people.

Sylphie · April 2018

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

Isn't it an unspoken rule to LEAVE QUESTERS ALONE?? Only butthats farm poor questers trying to get easy boxes. It looks bad on their part to pick on these people.

I mean if they're solo I'll 1v1 them once then leave them alone because I feel bad.

If they're coming in groups or a zerg, that's prime 1vX/outnumbered material served up on a platter.

zyk · April 2018

This thread has become very funny to me as it's apparent there are experienced AvA players defending peaceful PVP questing in Cyrodiil only because they're grinding gift boxes on their alts too.

Gnortranermara · April 2018

It's a warzone. What exactly do you think happens in a war? And what's with this maternal attitude of coddling lowbies? When you enter a CP campaign at level 13 you absolutely deserve to get packed up for easy AP. They belong in the under-50 campaign and have no right to complain about a self-inflicted predicament when they go elsewhere.

Besides, if you want anniversary boxes go do writs and DLC dailies and such. It's more efficient.

Knootewoot · April 2018

PvE players want nothing to do with PvP, EXCEPT when there are easy dailies which give PvE rewards (While there are more then enough dailies in PvE land).

The don't (want) participate in PvP, but they do fill up Cyrodill so that people who want to do PvP have to wait in queue.

And yeah, towns are also part of PvP. So nothing weird is happening here. You don't see me posting on the forums i am treated badly in PvE land because I have to do a boring dungeon to get the reward. Stop PvE when i am there, just put the package in the end of the dungeon while i fast forward to it please.

Shroudonus5735 · April 2018

**Warning, General Rant Below**

Its a game right?

Example: Last night I was playing in Bruma and a Red guy named "yougetthebag" attacked. So I killed him and then due to his name gave him the old tea bag of love. This was amusing because of his name. All in good fun right....

Well I was messaged by a Blue player, because they felt it was there job to be my social conscious in the game. We will leave the particulars out but here is my question.

Why can people just not log on and enjoy their game? Ill bet if most folks spent as much time grinding and learning PVP, as they do moaning and complaining cause Uncle Shroud touched there toon's "no no spots" they would probably survive longer and probably enjoy playing more.

This is what Tide Pods has done to the new generation of gamers! lol.

Shroudonus5735 · April 2018

Sylphie wrote: »

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

Isn't it an unspoken rule to LEAVE QUESTERS ALONE?? Only butthats farm poor questers trying to get easy boxes. It looks bad on their part to pick on these people.

No..No...and ummm.......no! It is PVP (Player V.S. Player) not (Player only V.S. Player when they are done questing and have acquired all of the loot they want in a Combat Zone.

If you want to go to the beach and play in the sand go to Florida...do not go to the middle of Iraq or Afghanistan and complain cause you are getting mortars dropped on your head.

Seriously why do some of you folks need everything broken down Shotgun Style??

Hankrabbit · April 2018

The event enabled me the best 1vsX fights for a long time. I am not hunting single low level players, but killing players in a group seems fair to me. Even a 1vs8 against unexpierenced low level players without impen looks good on video.

Elsonso · April 2018

Shroudonus5735 wrote: »

**Warning, General Rant Below**

Its a game right?

Example: Last night I was playing in Bruma and a Red guy named "yougetthebag" attacked. So I killed him and then due to his name gave him the old tea bag of love. This was amusing because of his name. All in good fun right....

Well I was messaged by a Blue player, because they felt it was there job to be my social conscious in the game. We will leave the particulars out but here is my question.

Why can people just not log on and enjoy their game? Ill bet if most folks spent as much time grinding and learning PVP, as they do moaning and complaining cause Uncle Shroud touched there toon's "no no spots" they would probably survive longer and probably enjoy playing more.

This is what Tide Pods has done to the new generation of gamers! lol.

It is just a game, and people should be able to just log in and enjoy their game. There is also more than one person involved, so it is a social experience. Whenever social mixes with fun, limits and boundaries get imposed. For some people, those limits and boundaries are going to put a damper on what they think of as "fun". That would definitely include the "no no spots" that Uncle Shroud wants to touch when he thinks no one is looking, but someone is.

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER · April 2018

Call me the quester m0lester

Shroudonus5735 · April 2018

lordrichter wrote: »

Shroudonus5735 wrote: »

**Warning, General Rant Below**

Its a game right?

Example: Last night I was playing in Bruma and a Red guy named "yougetthebag" attacked. So I killed him and then due to his name gave him the old tea bag of love. This was amusing because of his name. All in good fun right....

Well I was messaged by a Blue player, because they felt it was there job to be my social conscious in the game. We will leave the particulars out but here is my question.

Why can people just not log on and enjoy their game? Ill bet if most folks spent as much time grinding and learning PVP, as they do moaning and complaining cause Uncle Shroud touched there toon's "no no spots" they would probably survive longer and probably enjoy playing more.

This is what Tide Pods has done to the new generation of gamers! lol.

It is just a game, and people should be able to just log in and enjoy their game. There is also more than one person involved, so it is a social experience. Whenever social mixes with fun, limits and boundaries get imposed. For some people, those limits and boundaries are going to put a damper on what they think of as "fun". That would definitely include the "no no spots" that Uncle Shroud wants to touch when he thinks no one is looking, but someone is.

But Uncle Shroud hopes someone is watching he is a bit of a voyeur like that lol. Point being everyone needs to accept a little personal responsibility for their experience. If you don't want to get killed don't go to PVP. If you don't want to receive the Tea Bag of Love...don't name yourself "yougetthebag" and if you are so injured by witnessing this event taking place. Perhaps rethink why you would choose to put yourself in a situation where you will be subjected to the horrors of it all. :-)

caeliusstarbreaker · April 2018

In Saving Private Ryan, they let that German guy go... later in the movie he came back and killed Fish with a knife to the heart. Kill em all.

Master_Kas · April 2018

Yesterday something funny happened. Some questers beg for help at Vlastrus because of PvPers killing them while they do quest. Me and 2 friends arrive there and help the AD zerg them down.

I asked them "You're here killing pve-ers?"
I get the reply "We're looking for some PvP"

It was a group of "smallscalers" who ran with 2 argonian healers to kill PvE:ers questiong rofl. Atleast man up and say "We want to smash some PvE'rs for easy kills".

But imo cyrodiil is a PvP zone, if you can't handle getting killed, stay out of it.

OdinForge · April 2018

PvP = Player vs Player. If you're in a PvP zone you are subject to PvP.

That being said it's hilariously sad to see established zerg guilds camping towns to farm PvErs

GrumpyDuckling · April 2018

So many people missing the point. It's not about PVP environment and whether people should be able to PVP or not (obviously they can). It's about how players are treating other players and giving a poor showing for the PVP experience/community as a whole.

If the roles were reversed it would be equally embarrassing (PVP players going into PVE and being treated poorly).

DarcyMardin · April 2018

I took a couple of characters to Cyrodill towns for the quests last night, fully expecting to get ganked. I was pleasantly surprised that I was able to walk among enemies peaceably and actually finish a couple of quests. I did finally get attacked and killed—which was fine...it’s a PvP zone—but most players were kind enough to leave me alone.

danno8 · April 2018

Master_Kas wrote: »

Yesterday I asked them "You're here killing pve-ers?"
I get the reply "We're looking for some PvP"

And they got some PvP, right up their arses, hehe.

Actually someone mentioned Sotha Sil, that would have been a good suggestion fro any PvE'er looking to just get some extra boxes and mostly avoid actual PvP.

Gilvoth · April 2018

lets just make it so that when we are in cryodiil, no one attacks eachother, we all just stand around use zone chat and pve.

Valen_Byte · April 2018

Pvpers are the worst players in the game for sure. Im one of them. Most are rotten apples. BUT, in this situation, you need to call on your faction in zone to come help you. That is what a faction war is about. If you or a your group is having trouble with some baddies that just wont go away, call for aid.

caeliusstarbreaker · April 2018

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

So many people missing the point. It's not about PVP environment and whether people should be able to PVP or not (obviously they can). It's about how players are treating other players and giving a poor showing for the PVP experience/community as a whole.

If the roles were reversed it would be equally embarrassing (PVP players going into PVE and being treated poorly).

I believe everyone understands your overall tone about not being a total crap person. I think the overall opinion is more towards the, if it’s pvp then you’re free game. You could definitely make a case solely about the level of troll being questionable, but the “just let them be” part of your sentiment goes against the general fabric of the pvp environment.

Lucky28 · April 2018

OdinForge wrote: »

PvP = Player vs Player. If you're in a PvP zone you are subject to PvP.

That being said it's hilariously sad to see established zerg guilds camping towns to farm PvErs

true. and i have no problem with kicking an enemy faction out of a town (PvEer or not) if you want. but camping towns to gank PvEers/lowbies while they're doing a quest or trying to turn in a quest?.. well, i wouldn't do that it is pretty scummy by any definition really XD.

personally. i only really want to fight people who are there to fight and are built for it otherwise there is no point.

zyk · April 2018

I haven't even been to the towns and don't plan on going unless they need to be flipped. Actually, yesterday was my first PVP in ages...

Sure it's lame for groups to camp PVE noobs. But this is a game in which I've routinely seen the best PC NA small and large groups seek out the "juiciest" PVP players and literally go pug hunting.

In the past, it's been normal to see the best EP and DC small groups camped in different spots around Alessia bridge largely ignoring each other and farming the random, ungrouped AD who the DC and EP collectively outnumbered.

But now here are some demanding social justice for PVE players. Hilarious!

White wabbit · April 2018

They only do it as I guess they can't handle a really PvP player