This is Embarrassing (How Some Experienced PVP Players are Treating New Players)

GrumpyDuckling · April 2018

In the past few days I've been seeing experienced PVP players camping quest towns and killing and teabagging new-to-PVP players who clearly want nothing to do with fighting or capturing flags, and are only there to quest during the anniversary event. I can fully understand killing a group of lowbies once or twice if you're unsure about their intentions, but when that group consistently tries to avoid you and never fights back or tries to flag capture, why not just leave them alone?

It's such a bad look, and I get why some people complain about the PVP experience and don't even want to try it.

I've been talking to some new players who politely asked (through xbox messaging) an enemy alliance group that kept killing them if they could just quest (because they obviously stood no chance against these players). They were met with responses full of swears, insults, and general unpleasantness so they just left and went back to PVE. It's embarrassing.

danno8 · April 2018

Yah the world is full of these guys:

Elsonso · April 2018

Bullies will be bullies.

Rohamad_Ali · April 2018

Why are you embarrassed ? PvP has always been this way and players are lucky to encounter nicer more forgiving players in Cyrodiil . This behavior is nothing new and new player does not mean naive . Most of them know full well going into a pvp zone means player combat and all the craziness that comes with it . New player does not mean 4 year old girl with ice cream cone skipping into a war zone and wondering why her ice cream was slapped out of her hand . More then likely it's a average Joe that's seen a few fantasy war movies and understanding there are bad guys in the realm ... No need to be embarrassed or thinking of the children lol .

Skander · April 2018

This game forces us pvpers to, when grinding a new char, after the whole leveling. 5 minimum days undaunted with 4-5 hours of grind.
That's a lot

If you are magicka:
Mage's guild book farm. That's a lot of time

Skyshard-Skillpoint farm:

That's more time

So yeah. If i see a PvEr in PvP i greet them in kind

MasterSpatula · April 2018

I've done all the quests in Cyrodiil, but I never, ever assumed I would be safe from opposing players while doing so.

Which isn't to say that farming and gloating aren't completely sleazy.

zyk · April 2018

In general, I think it's poor form for experienced players to seek out less capable opponents..

...but not in this case. If you don't want to deal with PVP, don't come to Cyrodiil.

Loralai_907 · April 2018

The only thing I thought was kinda lame yesterday was when I was turning in some quests at Vlast, there was 1 DC and 1 EP hanging out together killing people, not flipping flags or anything. I get that it is a PvP zone, but I don't get the hopping around the town waiting for easy kills as something that one would consider an awesomely fun time. I imagine these people har harring to themselves about how awesome they are cuz they killed the noobs. It just seems altogether unimpressive...

Willard · April 2018

Please tell me snowflakes are not invading out beloved ESO too! It is a PvP zone--one should not feel entitled to not be attacked?

MuchShock · April 2018

As a non-PvPer who had to level caltrops and vigor at a low level, I got targeted,killed, t-bagged, and mocked. I am also pretty sure that is the whole point of PvP , why people would get butt hurt about it I don't know.

Beardimus · April 2018

It's a PvP zone. Rather than expect a free pass, and be entitled around a place that's 'easy' to farm.10's of boxes quickly there is a view to say plan for this. Has time to prep, get a group together, get some PvP gear on.

Box farmers wanting to farm 100's are most likely gold rich if not before they certainly are after. A few days selling motifs so a small investment in some PvP gear would.be simple enough.

Why not embrace PvP, give it a proper crack knowing that the spoils are there with chance for 50 boxes day. Have a strategy, properly go to Sotha if low CP etc etc etc

But know, players want something for nothing again.

If a PvPer came to do hard mode Assylum to get a perfect staff with no gear, no interest in mechanics just expected a free pass and moaned here about how would that sit?

I'll be clear, i PvE and PvP but they moaning from some PvEers in situations like.these really do give PvEers a bad name.

The PvPers are PvPing in a PvP zone, end of story.

zyk · April 2018

What's unimpressive and embarrassing is the ESO community spazzing out over gift box grinding. Gah. It's so sad RPGs have turned into this.

Elsonso · April 2018

MasterSpatula wrote: »

I've done all the quests in Cyrodiil, but I never, ever assumed I would be safe from opposing players while doing so.

It is one thing to be a snowflake that wants to be left alone in a PVP zone. To me, that's not the point.

"responses full of swears, insults, and general unpleasantness so they just left"

That is not exactly a good representation of the community.

Beardimus · April 2018

It's not cool @lordrichter However its also easy to throw mud and it stick when some of the community fear the savage beasts that reside in Cyrodill which in my experience (Xbox EU) just is not true. PvP crowd have been the most inviting and helpful when you are interested in learning about their craft.

We can't see the messages can we? How do we know that the PvVers did not open the dialogue first demanding not to be killed. To which they may get a harsh response.

As i would in a vMOL HM group if i were wearing Impen and using soul assault messaging 'oh come on lads give me a chance i don't want to respec'

Community is quick to judge and jump to stereo type without full context AND i reiterate. ONE group of players are doing the right thing in the right place,and one group of players are asking the other not to play as the game intended in a zone intended for it.

Who's really in the wrong?

Fully agree that anyone insulting is in the wrong regardless

Elsonso · April 2018

Beardimus wrote: »

Who's really in the wrong?

Fully agree that anyone insulting is in the wrong regardless

My point, exactly. It also does not matter who started it.

NyassaV · April 2018

You also assume there are always hateful intention. I give feed back to a lot of people I kill and vice versa and 50% of the time they respond "you mad bro?"

No I just wanted to say you could probably drop a damage glyph for a sustain glyph with the amount of heavy attacks you are doing

NBrookus · April 2018

Killing random people you run across even if it happens to be in a quest zone during an event? Cyrodiil as intended. There are lots of other dailies to do if you are going to get upset about it.

But deliberately camping quest hubs where there are no pvp flags and waiting inside buildings with quest givers? It may be a PVP zone but you're still a jerk.

danno8 · April 2018

lordrichter wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Who's really in the wrong?

Fully agree that anyone insulting is in the wrong regardless

My point, exactly. It also does not matter who started it.

Killing anything that moves is totally fair play in Cyrodiil.

But if someone actually messages me and says "I am just trying to do dailies can you let me be?", there is no way I would throw out insults, laugh at them or whatever else.

Like I said in my first post. The world is full of a***oles

zyk · April 2018

danno8 wrote: »

But if someone actually messages me and says "I am just trying to do dailies can you let me be?", there is no way I would throw out insults, laugh at them or whatever else.

In your experience playing MMOs, which party is more likely to be sending nasty tells first in this scenario?

My guess is that the people being farmed lost their cool first.

The problem I have is that so many players think they should be able to go to a PVP zone, taking up a slot for their alliance in the process, and choose to opt out of PVP entirely. That's not realistic under any circumstances. So I have no sympathy for that player and I'm glad they're being encouraged to PVE elsewhere.

Or do we want PVP campaigns poplocked with PVE players grinding dailies for gift boxes on all of their alts? They would if they could do so risk free because it's so easy.

For the record, I am not hunting PVE players in Cyrodiil, nor have I ever.

MasterSpatula · April 2018

lordrichter wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote: »

I've done all the quests in Cyrodiil, but I never, ever assumed I would be safe from opposing players while doing so.

It is one thing to be a snowflake that wants to be left alone in a PVP zone. To me, that's not the point.

"responses full of swears, insults, and general unpleasantness so they just left"

That is not exactly a good representation of the community.

I did say that gloating and farming are sleazy in the part you didn't quote.

And I would never have used the term snowflake, because I'm not an ***.

Elsonso · April 2018

MasterSpatula wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote: »

I've done all the quests in Cyrodiil, but I never, ever assumed I would be safe from opposing players while doing so.

It is one thing to be a snowflake that wants to be left alone in a PVP zone. To me, that's not the point.

"responses full of swears, insults, and general unpleasantness so they just left"

That is not exactly a good representation of the community.

I did say that gloating and farming are sleazy in the part you didn't quote.

And I would never have used the term snowflake, because I'm not an ***.

Yeah, I was building on what you said, not really disagreeing with you.

Stratforge · April 2018

Protect the newbies at all costs.

Maryal · April 2018

Pvp fighting means player vs. player ... two or more players engaged in combat against each other.

Ganking pve'er noobs is a kiddy sport ... it's more like a carnival shooting gallery and the pve noobs are sitting ducks. Don't call that pvp because it isn't.

Taking up a slot for their alliance? Give me a break! Pve'ers aren't generally going to do pve questing in Cyrodiil during pop locked times. They go when the population is low.

Camping near quest givers ... especially the ones inside buildings has nothing to do with pvp. It's mean spirited ganking. You know exactly what you're doing. You can try to justify it all you want by saying 'well, it's a pvp zone...' but that justification is rather see-through. Bullies always blame their victims, nothing new there.

It's not like PVP'ers can PVP in PVE zones whenever and wherever they want (to duel) and annoy the heck out of PVE'ers in the area....

Anotherone773 · April 2018

Skander wrote: »

This game forces us pvpers to, when grinding a new char, after the whole leveling. 5 minimum days undaunted with 4-5 hours of grind.
That's a lot

If you are magicka:
Mage's guild book farm. That's a lot of time

Skyshard-Skillpoint farm:

That's more time

So yeah. If i see a PvEr in PvP i greet them in kind

Its a PVE game with PVP tacked on so ZOS can claim it has PVP. If you dont like PVE, play a game that is PVP based not PVE based. No reason to take it out on PVERs just trying to get some carebearing done.

I mean they dont take it out on you when you act ridiculous in a dungeon and try to act like its PVP....you know when you guys run around like your trying to dodge raindrops in a downpour. BTW that makes you a pain in the ass to heal.

Gilvoth · April 2018

when we come to PvE Zone should you guys Stop PvE'ing?
serious question.

zyk · April 2018

Maryal wrote: »

Taking up a slot for their alliance? Give me a break! Pve'ers aren't generally going to do pve questing in Cyrodiil during pop locked times. They go when the population is low.

I don't think you understand the issue. The reason this is a topic is because of the Anniversary event rewards. Cyrodiil isn't a quest destination because it's fun. Players are going there to grind Anniversary gift boxes and complaining when they're killed. There have been several threads already.

So yes, if questing in Cyrodiil was 100% risk free, campaigns would likely be poplocked by cheesy PVE players while the event is on.

Gilvoth · April 2018

allright i will bite, where should we go then to PvP?
and please answer the question i asked earlier as well ...

when we come to PvE Zone should you guys Stop PvE'ing?
serious questions i am asking so please do respond because i am interested very much in knowing the answers.

Iskras · April 2018

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

In the past few days I've been seeing experienced PVP players camping quest towns and killing and teabagging new-to-PVP players who clearly want nothing to do with fighting or capturing flags, and are only there to quest during the anniversary event. I can fully understand killing a group of lowbies once or twice if you're unsure about their intentions, but when that group consistently tries to avoid you and never fights back or tries to flag capture, why not just leave them alone?

It's such a bad look, and I get why some people complain about the PVP experience and don't even want to try it.

I've been talking to some new players who politely asked (through xbox messaging) an enemy alliance group that kept killing them if they could just quest (because they obviously stood no chance against these players). They were met with responses full of swears, insults, and general unpleasantness so they just left and went back to PVE. It's embarrassing.

Abut tbag, report like harassment.

End!

danno8 · April 2018

zyk wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

But if someone actually messages me and says "I am just trying to do dailies can you let me be?", there is no way I would throw out insults, laugh at them or whatever else.

In your experience playing MMOs, which party is more likely to be sending nasty tells first in this scenario?

My guess is that the people being farmed lost their cool first.

The problem I have is that so many players think they should be able to go to a PVP zone, taking up a slot for their alliance in the process, and choose to opt out of PVP entirely. That's not realistic under any circumstances. So I have no sympathy for that player and I'm glad they're being encouraged to PVE elsewhere.

Or do we want PVP campaigns poplocked with PVE players grinding dailies for gift boxes on all of their alts? They would if they could do so risk free because it's so easy.

For the record, I am not hunting PVE players in Cyrodiil, nor have I ever.

I wasn't there, so I don't know.

I am just responding as if what the OP says is accurate. If it isn't then I would have a different response.

A little respect goes a long way, but you are correct that in MMO's respect is more scarce than in RL. My opinion is solely for this one incident and not a broad stroke "all PvE'ers should be left alone".

Vapirko · April 2018

Some people have an inferiority complex and need to gank new players to feel like theyre good at pvp. Case in point we had a scene of mutual respect amongst ep and dc the other day at bruma for quests on off hours. No words exchanged, just people going about their business because we all know everyone wants to maximize their time while the boxes are available. But this group of 3 or 4 ad who couldn't handle their *** insist on xv1 ganking people, and i talked to one of them, he actually thought he was a good player. Challenged the guy to a duel and he says why i just killed you? Then after some other empty talk he says he's now in crops ford (map is all yellow) and we can duel there. He obviously went down there after I challenged knowing I'm not gonna play riding simulator all the way from bruma to cropsford. These players are just trash. They cant really play that well, they just need to capitalize with surprise attacks and/or numbers to feel like they can play. Unfortunately they're always around. I agree its a PvP zone, and Ive been in some fights over towns and thats fine. But the players who Xv1 gank or sit there only for the purpose of ganking people doing quests during an event, get a life. You wont many actually good players doing that because theres nothing to be gained from it and they certainly don't need the ego boost.

DoctorESO · April 2018

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

In the past few days I've been seeing experienced PVP players camping quest towns