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Why are the forums toxic?
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Maryal✭✭✭✭✭
✭IMO, most toxic people don't want to be told why they are toxic, they don't want to be told they are wrong, and most have very fragile egos ... therefore serious discussions on the topic aren't going to occur on these forums.
I suppose not but maybe good to talk about on occasion. Some toxicity is healthy but some of been growing into cyberbulling not per say, but it's been seen.
Remember our poor community ambassadors? So often I had seen them take attacks simply for trying be helpful or lighten the mood.
Coolest gm holden took some hate when simply posted how nice picture. He responds to posts all the time but he gets attack only in general section. We are left wondering why zos doesn't talk to us afterwards.
So yes I do understand, but I hope people don't follow such people and take a set back and remember we are a community.
The Morrowind closed beta forums was the least toxic forum I've experienced in this game (on issues related to balance, combat, equipment, etc). It was interesting that many people who posted in the closed beta forums were politely vocal in not tolerating toxic posts.0 -
Tasear✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭IMO, most toxic people don't want to be told why they are toxic, they don't want to be told they are wrong, and most have very fragile egos ... therefore serious discussions on the topic aren't going to occur on these forums. I suppose not but maybe good to talk about on occasion. Some toxicity is healthy but some of been growing into cyberbulling not per say, but it's been seen.
Remember our poor community ambassadors? So often I had seen them take attacks simply for trying be helpful or lighten the mood.
Coolest gm holden took some hate when simply posted how nice picture. He responds to posts all the time but he gets attack only in general section. We are left wondering why zos doesn't talk to us afterwards.
So yes I do understand, but I hope people don't follow such people and take a set back and remember we are a community.
The Morrowind closed beta forums was the least toxic forum I've experienced in this game (on issues related to balance, combat, equipment, etc). It was interesting that many people who posted in the closed beta forums were politely vocal in not tolerating toxic posts.
Yes it was. I recall someone posting a copy of their thread from there only be bashed and hated on in general section. They had my sympathies.0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/404694/how-would-you-like-male-dancers-and-bards-in-your-home#latest
Anyone who decides to actively take part in general subthread. This wasn't always case either until recently. These are postive threads too about bards no less.
I don't quite understand your point. The male dancer thread was a spin off of a thread about bards and female dancers, so anyone pointing out "hey, we've already got that thread" is accurate and anyone not taking it seriously is pretty justified given the conversation on the other thread. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/404683/how-would-you-like-female-dancers-and-bards-in-your-house0 -
DoctorESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Seems like something we often say in passing but is it true? Obviously not always but I don't recall people saying forums to be positive place.
So let raise some issues that not just effect myself but others.
People posting mutiple threads
There's clear harssment to anyone who does in general section. This done to people discuss old or new topics. Sure moderation is there but I often see things ingored like. So let ask the question that goes along with? Why is a secret taboo to post mutiple threads?
Why do people belittle people for having to many stars?
It's often people get quoted with bettiling comments or forum farming by simply stating something. This seems progressive worst as people get more stars. Why do helpful people get punished?
Why is not okay to defend yourself?
If you have well intentions it best not to respond to baiters or this voliation of forum rules? Yet I often see people belttiled, jeered or harssed even more if say nothing?
There's other issues but making long posts seems be taboo issues too, so state a few others in quick succession, L2P, reroll to different class, necroing, dead horses.
Note: Answer is yes, I am annoyed but I am appart of a bigger issue.
Every person has some degree of toxicity in them. Some have very little, while others have a lot. Toxicity needs to be released. In the offline world, there are not many avenues to release toxicity, and doing so most often brings about negative effects for the individual. In the online world, the rules are different, and toxicity can be released in much freer fashion. Hence, the toxicity on the forums.
True but there's time people can go to far. Like making threads for people stop making threads. Yes understand stress but sometimes we have to be careful.
P.S I am sorry I was ever part of that pitchfork mob in the past. I fell in line with others when I should of known better.
Yes, I agree with you. People can definitely go too far, and it seems to happen with too much frequency. We forgive you!
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thedude33✭✭✭✭✭Why is the sky blue? Why is water wet?
It might be a news flash for you, but in general, internet forums and social media are kinda toxic.0 -
Sekero✭✭✭You think these forums are toxic? when I'm here I think I've died and gone to forum heaven. If you want to see toxic visit the SWTOR forums . I'm not surprised that EA closed all forums except SWTOR, as the Dragon Age forums that I frequented most needed you to equip a Hazmat suit before entering. The Mass Effect forums were not much better. Be glad that our forums (or fora as the educated would insist) are mostly polite and helpful.
edited for typoEdited by Sekero on April 6, 2018 3:03AM1 -
Tasear✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You think these forums are toxic? when I'm here I think I've died and gone to forum heaven. If you want to see toxic visit the SWTOR forums . I'm not surprised that EA closed all forums except SWTOR, as the Dragon Age forums that I frequented most needed you to equip a Hazmat suit before entering. The Mass Effect forums were not much better. Be glad that our forums (or for a as the educated would insist) are mostly polite and helpful.
That's why eso is number one
We are better then them and keep improving ourselves.Edited by Tasear on April 6, 2018 2:55AM0 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's hard to give an answer. On the whole people here are cool, ive asked many questions here from early on and seen many noobs ask them too and get mega support. I in turn try to help others now my game knowledge has grown.
I think on the whole there's a genuine want to help people.
However then you get the people who just like to cause contentious debate where the point is to farm forum stars etc and that detracts from genuine conversation hence the forum rightly has little tolerance for that.
Some threads sit between the two and people get lambasted unfairly but i think that's the wind up merchants fault for giving everyone no patience.
Lastly what is toxic to one is not to another. There's a current thread calling PvPers toxic for killing PvEers in Cyrodiil which is not toxic at all.
Lastly. I've seen this behaviour on MOST forums, in addition to that gamers are worse and in addition to that fantasy genre folk seem to take debate etc to the next level.
It's also a huge game to be played how the individual wants so views will always differ.I don’t know, but it’s been getting dramatically worse and worse. Staff handing out bans over silly stuff, and things like naming and shaming. When in fact they should be banning people who are unnecessarily rude and toxic to people.
When I was a mod on a couple of forums, I always told my colleagues to focus on the flamers and extremely nasty people. Rather than the folks who are being silly, and aren’t bothering nobody. But hey, I’m just speaking off of experiences.
That's also issue. Seems like people are getting rewardes in efforts to flame too. It feels like such atmosphere has recently taken root. For example Everytime knowledge posts a thread. You will find one person mention him in ridicule even before that was doctor ESO. Will I be next?
@Tasear Speaking from the perspective of someone who is both highly-disliked by I’d say the vast majority of forum members, and forum staff alike...? It’s pretty pathetic and horrible how the mob mentality runs rampant here. Before it was Doctor, it was me. And after Doctor, it was Knowledge. And it just snowballs worse and worse.
How I handled it (and how I still do)...? I stopped posting as frequently (I dramatically slowed my roll with affiliating with folks on these forums), and tend to post only on things now that genuinely peak my curiosity or that I feel very strongly about. Even the forum staff here make it a very unwelcoming experience here. And that’s definitely not good. But nonetheless, that’s what I recommend anyone who is being targeted to do. If mods don’t care, what makes you think that users will?
TL;DR Version - Just gotta take your friendliness and feelings elsewhere, and just use these forums to make your point(s) and ask questions. And if you have problems with the staff, be very careful as you don’t “go to the house to complain about the house” on this particular site. You can get banned for very petty and silly things here (ask me in PM how I know this lol).Edited by Ch4mpTW on April 6, 2018 4:26AM2 -
Androconium✭✭✭✭✭
✭This is an invitation-only forum, with heavily biased moderation.
There is no toxicity here.
If it doesn't get moderated or shut down, then by definition, it isn't harmful.2 -
Lake✭✭✭✭✭This is the best MMO forum I have ever been to. Additionally, the moderators here are the best I have ever seen for a game.1
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Tasear✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's hard to give an answer. On the whole people here are cool, ive asked many questions here from early on and seen many noobs ask them too and get mega support. I in turn try to help others now my game knowledge has grown.
I think on the whole there's a genuine want to help people.
However then you get the people who just like to cause contentious debate where the point is to farm forum stars etc and that detracts from genuine conversation hence the forum rightly has little tolerance for that.
Some threads sit between the two and people get lambasted unfairly but i think that's the wind up merchants fault for giving everyone no patience.
Lastly what is toxic to one is not to another. There's a current thread calling PvPers toxic for killing PvEers in Cyrodiil which is not toxic at all.
Lastly. I've seen this behaviour on MOST forums, in addition to that gamers are worse and in addition to that fantasy genre folk seem to take debate etc to the next level.
It's also a huge game to be played how the individual wants so views will always differ.I don’t know, but it’s been getting dramatically worse and worse. Staff handing out bans over silly stuff, and things like naming and shaming. When in fact they should be banning people who are unnecessarily rude and toxic to people.
When I was a mod on a couple of forums, I always told my colleagues to focus on the flamers and extremely nasty people. Rather than the folks who are being silly, and aren’t bothering nobody. But hey, I’m just speaking off of experiences.
That's also issue. Seems like people are getting rewardes in efforts to flame too. It feels like such atmosphere has recently taken root. For example Everytime knowledge posts a thread. You will find one person mention him in ridicule even before that was doctor ESO. Will I be next?
@Tasear Speaking from the perspective of someone who is both highly-disliked by I’d say the vast majority of forum members, and forum staff alike...? It’s pretty pathetic and horrible how the mob mentality runs rampant here. Before it was Doctor, it was me. And after Doctor, it was Knowledge. And it just snowballs worse and worse.
How I handled it (and how I still do)...? I stopped posting as frequently (I dramatically slowed my roll with affiliating with folks on these forums), and tend to post only on things now that genuinely peak my curiosity or that I feel very strongly about. Even the forum staff here make it a very unwelcoming experience here. And that’s definitely not good. But nonetheless, that’s what I recommend anyone who is being targeted to do. If mods don’t care, what makes you think that users will?
TL;DR Version - Just gotta take your friendliness and feelings elsewhere, and just use these forums to make your point(s) and ask questions. And if you have problems with the staff, be very careful as you don’t “go to the house to complain about the house” on this particular site. You can get banned for very petty and silly things here (ask me in PM how I know this lol).
I know but it's time we speak about it. I like this game..no I often confessed my fandom to work for them.I can't get over genuine creation of it. So I speak about it.
Moderation while better then others leaves reminded of bad customer experience. Not step out of line. That copy text should be look at. It's offensive and leaves bad experience for the vicitim. If I didn't love this game, I would have reconsider my hobbies. Also discussion about moderation is left unchecked as link leads you to general help section.
Responding to bait is considered to be a voilation of forum rules. I discuss this in context of thread topic of issues with forum environment.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/60843
Maybe it time we get an update to them.
Also on point, that what mean meanful and helpful people are being chased away. People get punished for general willnes to be involved in the community.
On a personal level I want to say not everyone is out to post for points or start wars. Some people just simply care about bigger community at like why would make posts like dragon knight healers or rarest tank in the game, when I should be posting about my favorite sorc Healer.
Some people genuinely care about others and the community. They have questions and desires like male bards, dragons, unicorns, necromancers, auction house. Some have been answered before many times but speaks to issue still existing.
Casual players want auction house so can casually enjoy the game. I hope one day can get something in between. Maybe yard sales.
Whatever I got sidetracked again. Why should I care I am in top trade guilds in the game. So yeah that's my point maybe people don't understand there are people with good intentions.
I also think star system needs reworked. How about badge's instead.
Enjoy myrambling but my goal has been to make people aware. You should not go along with hate and love should not punished. Also I hope zos looks at there forums. There's clearly a track record for bullying which most extreme form of toxicity.
P.S
It's iny nature to advocate issues when they arise. I am lame I wish for a better tommorow.3 -
Wrecking_Blow_Spam✭✭✭✭✭
✭I don't think there are really any toxic people here, the forums can get a bit heated but I don't think anyone in particular is actually toxic, just their opinions don't sit well together.
As someone else said, the majority here are here to learn, usually toxic people wouldn't put this effort in. Then again there is the toxic atmosphere in end game eso (I assume the end game players visit here regular), so this kinda contradicts what I say. But the forums themselves don't seem that toxic to me, the real toxic experiences are in game.
Want toxic? Go look at YouTube, some really sad people in the world commenting on there.Xbox one EU
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Tasear✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom I hope you look at this thread and take some of this heart. It's not people just being people but a community issue on many fronts. I love this game we know this. I bring up my concerns after being in forums for two years. I believe if some of these issues where addressed even the employees at ZOS would have a better time in ESO Forums.2 -
Tasear✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »I don't think there are really any toxic people here, the forums can get a bit heated but I don't think anyone in particular is actually toxic, just their opinions don't sit well together.
As someone else said, the majority here are here to learn, usually toxic people wouldn't put this effort in. Then again there is the toxic atmosphere in end game eso (I assume the end game players visit here regular), so this kinda contradicts what I say. But the forums themselves don't seem that toxic to me, the real toxic experiences are in game.
Want toxic? Go look at YouTube, some really sad people in the world commenting on there.
Yes that what draws people to under scrolls I'm some levels it's the people. I suppose I speak of particular forum of toxicity. We have people in threads who simply set off to bully others or harss for active participation. Such hatefulness iny opinion been recently even more encouraged. So I say it again some people gone a more then a bit out of line.
I really wanted yell at person harssed poor mod from community creation sub thread. not to long ago. Like why would feed good intentions with hate or scorn.Edited by Tasear on April 6, 2018 5:21AM0 -
Morgul667✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lots of agressivity
Seldom have nice discussions
Lots of clans too : “pve” “pvp” “dk” “nb” ( and others...) . Those ones tend to criticise each other just because one have advantages the others do not have. Yet we are the first to critisize zos when they make the classes more similar
Something is wrong with us , maybe linked with internet anonimityEdited by Morgul667 on April 6, 2018 5:33AM1 -
LegendaryMage✭✭✭✭✭
✭2014 to early 2015 - forums used to be a lot more chilled and actually enjoyable to read. I don't know what changed but if I had to guess, I'd say that ESO's past required subscription resulted in an overall higher level of maturity, reflecting on the forums as well.
After ESO went B2P I noticed a lot of problematic players showing up. I don't see why that logic wouldn't apply to forums too.
Imagine if it went F2P...1 -
Kodrac✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Moderation while better then others leaves reminded of bad customer experience. Not step out of line. That copy text should be look at. It's offensive and leaves bad experience for the vicitim. If I didn't love this game, I would have reconsider my hobbies. Also discussion about moderation is left unchecked as link leads you to general help section.
Responding to bait is considered to be a voilation of forum rules. I discuss this in context of thread topic of issues with forum environment.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/60843
Maybe it time we get an update to them.
Also on point, that what mean meanful and helpful people are being chased away. People get punished for general willnes to be involved in the community.
Indeed. Especially the bold (by me) part. I quit about 8 or 9 months ago but before I did I learned not to say anything before figuring out which mod was on duty first. Certain ones were just awful, handing out bans and nastygrams galore, they were just as off putting as the trolls, if not more. Now I"m back one month and I don't recognize any of the mods but there's still the same unwritten ground rule they go by: Protect the instigator, punish the victims. Maybe they quit because it's got to get old or maybe someone higher up realized they were pissing off paying customers.
I'm glad you've brought this up because it's the elephant in the room that no one talks about and it does go largely unchecked.Edited by Kodrac on April 6, 2018 1:14PM2 -
GreenhaloX✭✭✭✭✭
✭As for whatever reason why, there are so many people in real life that are toxic/obnoxious, will steal, cheat, bully, walk over others, and whatever other vices, there are same types of folks using forums and playing same MMO games.0 -
STEVIL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Seems like something we often say in passing but is it true? Obviously not always but I don't recall people saying forums to be positive place.
So let raise some issues that not just effect myself but others.
People posting mutiple threads
There's clear harssment to anyone who does in general section. This done to people discuss old or new topics. Sure moderation is there but I often see things ingored like. So let ask the question that goes along with? Why is a secret taboo to post mutiple threads?
Why do people belittle people for having to many stars?
It's often people get quoted with bettiling comments or forum farming by simply stating something. This seems progressive worst as people get more stars. Why do helpful people get punished?
Why is not okay to defend yourself?
If you have well intentions it best not to respond to baiters or this voliation of forum rules? Yet I often see people belttiled, jeered or harssed even more if say nothing?
There's other issues but making long posts seems be taboo issues too, so state a few others in quick succession, L2P, reroll to different class, necroing, dead horses.
Note: Answer is yes, I am annoyed but I am appart of a bigger issue.
In my experience it is ok to defend your position. It is ok to challenge or even to a small degree attack another's position.
Whenever the "position" in those changes to "self" that is often where the line is crossed.
focus on the post, the points and the position and you are likely fine as far as mods go.
Soon as you start talking about the poster or the person, then it gets dicey.
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Princess_Ciri✭✭✭✭✭i dont even think the forums are particularly toxic.GM and raid leader of Hot Girls Play DPS, the cutest guild EU0 -
Tan9oSuccka✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Respect4Elders wrote: »
Sadly, the youngin’s won’t get it.
Well done though.
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on March 9, 2025 6:17PM1 -
Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »Why are the forums toxic?
Because it's an internet game forum?
Because many maxed ESO players are. Many of max CP players , doesnt not have any skill. Many of them not real pros to get there. If you say anything even it legitimate even its hurts the game they self brag and do personal insults , if they cannot counter you. Because of CP points they consider themselves elitist. In fact they are noobs. In many games after certain levels , levels are just a number to unlock things.Also leveling is purely based on achievements. They dont have any inherent advantage in game play. So , player in higher levels in other games are true pros at least most of them. Achieved many things in game without any leveling advantage to get there.
True pros never insults others. If there is a legitimate fault in game they will admit it and provide work around solutions. If it cant be fixed , they will provide atleast general guideline to community and developers alike. These are noobs. If put an argument they cant counter, they start self bragging like idiots and do personal insults, instead of countering your argument or help you or developers.
If you are wrong , true pros provide valid facts ,counter arguments and provide solution how to rectify it.
Never believe any max cp player in this game a pro. Most of them are not. Only self proclaimed nubs. Moderation community is doing their jobs. There are so much to handle.
ESO its not the case. CP720 players is around 100-150 percent more powerful and literally one shot 1vx CP 160 guys . These noobs believe themselves they are pros , by insulting others they feel themselves more elitist. Thats why ESO community is so toxic and has very reputation of self bragging pros. Especially if come from other PVP online games , you can easily notice it.
I have to admit , there are some real pros in this game. I know one guy who does DLC veteran dungeons on hard mode solo. He showed how he did banished cells 2 solo. I believed no one can do that dungeon solo on veteran hard mode. I amazed what a player. He has 30k health and still produces 30k dps single target sustained. I literally wondered , how he keeps most of the game buffs up all the time. He literally plays like super computer. His combat his highly fluid and dynamic. He himself told one guild rejects him because he didn't produce single target 35K dps. That guild is PVE trial group !!!
Dont worry you are not alone. Even a world class true pro in this game has similar treatment. ESO community is that much toxic. Forum is no difference.
Edited by Priyasekarssk on April 6, 2018 5:03PM2 -
Rain_Greyraven✭✭✭✭✭I'm going to break with tradition and actually and give an honest assessment, and hopefully not get warned.
I think a lot of it has to do with moderation and community management. While the forums are 'invitation only" Five bucks will get you a new key and a new invite and forum warriors especially the more toxic ones who think that trolling the forums is more fun than the game will gladly shell that out.
Also it's apparent that moderation is extremely biased and plays favorites; I have seen helpful players that were just passionate about the game get fast track banned for minor offenses, while others who seem to be part of a certain "in crowd" made community ambassador despite having the same or worse posting habits.
Personally I think in game is much more toxic than the forums, but that is another post for another time."Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.”
― Robert E. Howard
So you want to be a game developer? Here is the best way to go about it.3 -
LioraValkyrie✭✭✭✭I had several other thoughts, but decided to boil it down to this: 5-star / 1-star culture. We generally only take the time to comment on things we love or hate, and whether we love something or hate it, the emotional arousal caused by the commented-upon theme and will cause us to strike out in defence/attack of our beloved/despised position.
The 2-4- star guys are all either doing their dailies or browsing Steam for something on sale.Mistress of Apocrypha - Master PetSorc
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✭✭✭✭✭Rain_Greyraven wrote: »I'm going to break with tradition and actually and give an honest assessment, and hopefully not get warned.
I think a lot of it has to do with moderation and community management. While the forums are 'invitation only" Five bucks will get you a new key and a new invite and forum warriors especially the more toxic ones who think that trolling the forums is more fun than the game will gladly shell that out.
Also it's apparent that moderation is extremely biased and plays favorites; I have seen helpful players that were just passionate about the game get fast track banned for minor offenses, while others who seem to be part of a certain "in crowd" made community ambassador despite having the same or worse posting habits.
Personally I think in game is much more toxic than the forums, but that is another post for another time.
@Rohamad_Ali @Vaoh Doesn’t this post explain an awful lot about things? Lol. Sorry for tagging you, but this just resonated so perfectly that I had to tag you 2.0
