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DKs robbed again
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Savos_Saren✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭According to Gilliam: DK tanks and DK healers got a buff. But who the [snip] asked for that??? We want our PvP DPS to be improved.Edited by Savos_Saren on April 4, 2018 3:23AMWant to enjoy the game more? Try both PvP (crybabies) and PvE (carebears). You'll get a better perspective on everyone's opinion.
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Tasear✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭2) Green Dragon blood - the new dark cloak way better version of GDB
Still far better then two bars can die clanfear pet.1 -
Bashev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Many of you didnt understand what I wanted to point out in this topic. I dont want to keep DKs the only viable choice for tanking. I just want to show that ZOS has no creativity to introduce new skills to improve the tanking for the other classes and take core skills from a class.
In the future when ZOS decides that all other classes should have access to streak, cloak and purify then you will understand what I mean.
Playing every role with every class in a competitive game means that the classes should be almost the same. If this is what ZoS really wants then they just should make the game classless.Because I can!4 -
aeowulf✭✭✭✭✭Another major patch is coming and 2 signature skills from DKs will be not DK's exclusive anymore.
What make me mad is not that the other classes will have access to DKs signature skills but the fact that the new skills that ZoS implement, are always better than what DKs have. ZoS just take the original idea from the DKs skills and improve it.
1) Chains - the new leash will pull, probably 28m range.
2) Green Dragon blood - the new dark cloak way better version of GDB
In the past:
3) Petrify - Rune cage 28m range
4) Choken Talons - Gripping Shards 20% cheaper
5) Reflective Scale (one of the morphs should be absorb and generate ulti) - Shimmering Shield better and cheaper
6) Inferno - Hurricane
ZoS now you just have to take the leap and the whip and DKs will lose all their identity.
Re: 1) A 'pull' skill is now fundamental to tanking. If DK's had wanted to keep this to themselves, they should not of shouted about how great it was or used it in literally every single tank build whilst screaming 'you're not a tank without chains'. Nothing is going to get a skill balanced faster. On the plus side, DK could now frost staff tank and use a stamina 'pull' - so they gain flexibility. They still have the (probably) only magicka chains skill.
Re: 2) dark cloak is now as good as the clan fear heal, but will still be effected by equilibrium (unlike the clanfear heal). NB tanks have not been a thing since before Morrowind. In part due to point 1), & in part due to other factors. A class should not be the best in every area of a role, this leads to complete imbalance/domination which a DK tank has had for the last year. This <may> address tanking for NB, i will reserve judgement until it hits PTS. No one will know until it hits PTS and can be tested out, you don't even know the cost for it yet. For all we know it may cost 20k magicka.
Re signature skills, no DK shouted about NB loosing their position as top dog in tank resource management, this spot has been held by DK since Morrowind, and probably even more so now. Because no non-NB shouted about that before, I can only assume that loosing signature skills is something that non-NB are comfortable with. (Same applies to shouting about repentance & only templars did this...) People need to stop shouting about only their favoured class and look at the bigger picture.
I care about balance, and having a full variety of options for my class. I want to log on whatever class I like and to know I could go tank, or heal or DPS and do it in a competitive manor. There is a lot of imbalance to fix, be it real or percieved, and ZoS will have to make mega changes to do that. That's what some of these are.
I would specifically like to see more emphasis on DK healers too, as going from group finder experience and seeing them literally never, I reckon they need more help than anyone. It's just a shame there are borderline none to shout about them.
These changes haven't even hit PTS and are only done from memories, so nothing is set in stone yet. It's all months away yet. There will be changes.Edited by aeowulf on April 4, 2018 9:19AM1 -
Sjizzle✭✭✭looo there is sworm mother set which does the same think like chain and pull mobs which chain can't pull them ....like the harwester in ICP .....u can pull them with sworm mother to u but u can't with dk chain .....
idk why ppl think that there is nothing like chain in this game for thrash fight u can really use sworm mother set without any problem....
yea other thank doesn't have the mass root like DK's true !
this is not even on pts and some players just go crazy lool dk's nerfs, nb nerfs, rip vma, vdsa relax it's not even on pts !!!!0 -
Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
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The people who wanted to tank and heal with the DK?Savos_Saren wrote: »According to Gilliam: DK tanks and DK healers got a buff. But who the [snip] asked for that??? We want our PvP DPS to be improved.
Seems ZOS is making good on what they said a while back about making each class more viable in each role.
@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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Geroken777✭✭✭✭✭
The people who wanted to tank and heal with the DK?Savos_Saren wrote: »According to Gilliam: DK tanks and DK healers got a buff. But who the [snip] asked for that??? We want our PvP DPS to be improved.
Seems ZOS is making good on what they said a while back about making each class more viable in each role.
And by doing this, destroying other roles? No thanks.The self-righteous shall choke on their sanctimony.1 -
Savos_Saren✭✭✭✭✭
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The people who wanted to tank and heal with the DK?Savos_Saren wrote: »According to Gilliam: DK tanks and DK healers got a buff. But who the [snip] asked for that??? We want our PvP DPS to be improved.
Seems ZOS is making good on what they said a while back about making each class more viable in each role.
Tanking was our "role". We wanted to have a DPS and heal line. Instead- they gave us improvements to tanking and healing. If they really wanted to vary our "roles"- they would've improved our healing and DPS.
Now that ZOS has given away more of our abilities to other classes- where's our execute?Want to enjoy the game more? Try both PvP (crybabies) and PvE (carebears). You'll get a better perspective on everyone's opinion.
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Kilandros✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭It's honestly really good for DKs if other classes can become end-game tanks. More likely to see real DPS/Healing buffs given to DK if it isnt the go-to tank anymore.Invictus
Kilandros - Dragonknight / Grand Overlord
Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
DK IS NOT JUST A TANK CLASS. #PLAYTHEWAYYOUWANT3 -
josiahva✭✭✭✭✭
✭Another major patch is coming and 2 signature skills from DKs will be not DK's exclusive anymore.
What make me mad is not that the other classes will have access to DKs signature skills but the fact that the new skills that ZoS implement, are always better than what DKs have. ZoS just take the original idea from the DKs skills and improve it.
1) Chains - the new leash will pull, probably 28m range.
2) Green Dragon blood - the new dark cloak way better version of GDB
In the past:
3) Petrify - Rune cage 28m range
4) Choken Talons - Gripping Shards 20% cheaper
5) Reflective Scale (one of the morphs should be absorb and generate ulti) - Shimmering Shield better and cheaper
6) Inferno - Hurricane
ZoS now you just have to take the leap and the whip and DKs will lose all their identity.
I agree with all these points EXCEPT 5...Shimmering shield is NOT better in any way shape, or form...it doesnt reflect at all...it absorbs, then returns its own projectile...its a huge difference that means the returned projectile is based on the tank's own spell damage and max magicka instead of the enemy's projectile strength. Chudan's projectiles reflected will do FAR MORE damage than the warden...a DK tank can solo Chudan(I have done it multiple times when everyone else dies) with Scale...with 1200 weapon and spell damage...that will never happen with a warden tank...in addition to being a poor copy, the warden shield only "reflects" 3 projectiles...the only thing it has going for it is cost0 -
Savos_Saren✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The only changes in the notes that would help DPS mDKs in PVP was the buff to Combustion. Taking Empower off Chains and replacing it with a light attack empower hurts our burst. ZOS has done nothing to improve our TTK, though.
They've given our "class defining" abilities away:
-Wings = Spell Wall
-Chains = Silver Leash
-Obsidian Shard = Bone Shield
-Petrify = Prison
-Flames of Oblivion = Hurricane
-Dragon Blood = Dark Cloak
...Now that our sustain is finally coming back (because it was low as hell), people are considering that a buff. It's not. It's just returning to what it should be. Our damage, however, is still going to suffer in PVP. I've see ZOS take away a lot of our skills to homogenize the game.. but I haven't seen them give our DDs any executes...Want to enjoy the game more? Try both PvP (crybabies) and PvE (carebears). You'll get a better perspective on everyone's opinion.
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GreenhaloX✭✭✭✭✭
✭Always changes with each patch.. So you're saying the whip or lash and leap are no longer going to be part a DK's class abilities? Am I hearing this right.. or is it that other toon/class will be able to slot those as well? Not that it really matters if such skillset will be available to other classes? Well.. other than the lash for the MagDK, I don't use the lash or Leap for the StamDK. I surely don't see any usefulness of the lash or leap for any other toon/class. I don't slot the leap as an ult for any of my StamDK, and surely can't see slotting that with my other non-DK stam toon; particularly where there is Flawless D for the front bar and either Ice Comet or Incap for the other bar. Even for my MagDK, it's Ice Comet and Elemental Storm/Eye of the Storm on the other. Even in PvP, there are better ult to slot for a DK than the leap, but, to each their own.Septimus_Magna wrote: »According to Gilliam, him and Alcast pulled the best magicka single target dps numbers on the magicka DK.
Ok.. ha haEdited by GreenhaloX on April 4, 2018 2:47PM0 -
Savos_Saren✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Another major patch is coming and 2 signature skills from DKs will be not DK's exclusive anymore.
What make me mad is not that the other classes will have access to DKs signature skills but the fact that the new skills that ZoS implement, are always better than what DKs have. ZoS just take the original idea from the DKs skills and improve it.
1) Chains - the new leash will pull, probably 28m range.
2) Green Dragon blood - the new dark cloak way better version of GDB
In the past:
3) Petrify - Rune cage 28m range
4) Choken Talons - Gripping Shards 20% cheaper
5) Reflective Scale (one of the morphs should be absorb and generate ulti) - Shimmering Shield better and cheaper
6) Inferno - Hurricane
ZoS now you just have to take the leap and the whip and DKs will lose all their identity.
I agree with all these points EXCEPT 5...Shimmering shield is NOT better in any way shape, or form...it doesnt reflect at all...it absorbs, then returns its own projectile...its a huge difference that means the returned projectile is based on the tank's own spell damage and max magicka instead of the enemy's projectile strength. Chudan's projectiles reflected will do FAR MORE damage than the warden...a DK tank can solo Chudan(I have done it multiple times when everyone else dies) with Scale...with 1200 weapon and spell damage...that will never happen with a warden tank...in addition to being a poor copy, the warden shield only "reflects" 3 projectiles...the only thing it has going for it is cost
I can tell you from a PVP perspective- Shimmering Shield is BY FAR better than Reflective Scale. Taking no damage from projectiles while the shield is up and Major Heroism in combat is amazing.Want to enjoy the game more? Try both PvP (crybabies) and PvE (carebears). You'll get a better perspective on everyone's opinion.
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Bashev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The new WW heal is so much better than GDB. One more DK skill concept go to another skill and the DKs just keep their *** skills.
Can anyone from the devs explain how can you keep a heal that heals you for 33% from your missing health and design a new one that heals you for 45%/60% from your health?
@ZOS_Wrobel what is your opinion?Because I can!1 -
pieratsos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The new WW heal is so much better than GDB. One more DK skill concept go to another skill and the DKs just keep their *** skills.
Can anyone from the devs explain how can you keep a heal that heals you for 33% from your missing health and design a new one that heals you for 45%/60% from your health?
@ZOS_Wrobel what is your opinion?
So now any health based heal is a DK concept?3 -
Bashev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The new WW heal is so much better than GDB. One more DK skill concept go to another skill and the DKs just keep their *** skills.
Can anyone from the devs explain how can you keep a heal that heals you for 33% from your missing health and design a new one that heals you for 45%/60% from your health?
@ZOS_Wrobel what is your opinion?
So now any health based heal is a DK concept?
It used to be.
Anyway you think that GDB is on pair with the new WW heal?Because I can!0 -
JamuThatsWho✭✭✭✭✭
✭The new WW heal is so much better than GDB. One more DK skill concept go to another skill and the DKs just keep their *** skills.
Can anyone from the devs explain how can you keep a heal that heals you for 33% from your missing health and design a new one that heals you for 45%/60% from your health?
@ZOS_Wrobel what is your opinion?
Apparently the only way to play a Necromancer in ESO is on the forums.@JamuThatsWho - PC EU - CP2100
Main:
Vasiir-jo - Khajiit Magicka Necromancer, AD
Alts:Sul-Mael Hlarothran - Dunmer Magicka Sorcerer, EP
Ushaar-Ixaht - Argonian Magicka Nightblade, DC
Rorbakh gro-Khraag - Orc Stamina Templar, AD
Anduuroon - Altmer Magicka Warden, EP
Travanius Braelia - Imperial Stamina Dragonknight, DC
Daeralon - Bosmer Stamina Arcanist, AD6 -
Bashev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭JamuThatsWho wrote: »The new WW heal is so much better than GDB. One more DK skill concept go to another skill and the DKs just keep their *** skills.
Can anyone from the devs explain how can you keep a heal that heals you for 33% from your missing health and design a new one that heals you for 45%/60% from your health?
@ZOS_Wrobel what is your opinion?
Apparently the only way to play a Necromancer in ESO is on the forums.
What is wrong with you? My topic is only 3 months old and why making a new one when I just can post here? It is still relative.Because I can!1 -
Enslaved✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭At least we still have leap I guess. Untill they give that to all classes via some stupid new FG skill reballance.0 -
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✭Another major patch is coming and 2 signature skills from DKs will be not DK's exclusive anymore.
What make me mad is not that the other classes will have access to DKs signature skills but the fact that the new skills that ZoS implement, are always better than what DKs have. ZoS just take the original idea from the DKs skills and improve it.
1) Chains - the new leash will pull, probably 28m range.
2) Green Dragon blood - the new dark cloak way better version of GDB
In the past:
3) Petrify - Rune cage 28m range
4) Choken Talons - Gripping Shards 20% cheaper
5) Reflective Scale (one of the morphs should be absorb and generate ulti) - Shimmering Shield better and cheaper
6) Inferno - Hurricane
ZoS now you just have to take the leap and the whip and DKs will lose all their identity.
thats been happening for a long time . this game has so many lose screws iits not worth riding . its just to look at.0 -
red_emu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Wait! There are classes in this game? I thought it was just cosmetic differences!
PC - EU:
Falathren Noctis - AD MagNecro
Falathren - AD StamSorc
Falathren Eryndaer - AD StamDen
Falathren Irimion - AD MagPlar
Talagan Falathren - AD StamDK
Falathren Infernis - AD MagDK
Your-Ex - AD MagBlade0 -
lagrue✭✭✭✭✭
✭StaticWave wrote: »I honestly don't understand these kinds of threads. You Dks are getting 3 huge buffs:
1/ Combustion gives resources back which is a sustain buff.
I'm not a PVPer or somebody who normally rolls on the meta but that does sound like a much needed buff for Mag DK and that sounds quite sweet. Probably the roughest part of using my Mag DK is sustaining. Generally a full rotation of skills lowers my magicka to critical levels and no matter how many heavy attacks I try to weave, it feels like nothing every gets restored even with Tenacity CP to help restore more. This should help with a more consistent DPS flow.
Needless to say this sounds great to me.
Edited by lagrue on July 11, 2018 1:49PM"You must defeat me every time. I need defeat you only once"0 -
pieratsos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The new WW heal is so much better than GDB. One more DK skill concept go to another skill and the DKs just keep their *** skills.
Can anyone from the devs explain how can you keep a heal that heals you for 33% from your missing health and design a new one that heals you for 45%/60% from your health?
@ZOS_Wrobel what is your opinion?
So now any health based heal is a DK concept?
It used to be.
Anyway you think that GDB is on pair with the new WW heal?
No, i dont. However, literally complaining about every single ability that is getting buffed for anything else other than DKs and calling it a DK robbery is kinda silly. Not everyone has a vendetta against your class. WW heal got buffed. Nothing to do with DKs. You didnt get robbed. End of story.
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DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭The new WW heal is so much better than GDB. One more DK skill concept go to another skill and the DKs just keep their *** skills.
Can anyone from the devs explain how can you keep a heal that heals you for 33% from your missing health and design a new one that heals you for 45%/60% from your health?
@ZOS_Wrobel what is your opinion?
So now any health based heal is a DK concept?
It used to be.
Anyway you think that GDB is on pair with the new WW heal?
No, i dont. However, literally complaining about every single ability that is getting buffed for anything else other than DKs and calling it a DK robbery is kinda silly. Not everyone has a vendetta against your class. WW heal got buffed. Nothing to do with DKs. You didnt get robbed. End of story.
I'm beginning to have a vendetta against DK's... And I have a DK that I love!0 -
MaxwellC✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@Bashev is simply calling it like he/she sees it because its true lol. Almost every skill that made DK a threat and what it was all about has been turned into ultimates, skills, or given to other classes; Heck we even had our passive thrown onto a set.
Honestly just delete this class so I don't have to feel irritated every-time I play my DK while seeing other classes utilize my old competent skills.不動の Steadfast - Unwavering
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DuskMarine✭✭✭✭✭
✭Another major patch is coming and 2 signature skills from DKs will be not DK's exclusive anymore.
What make me mad is not that the other classes will have access to DKs signature skills but the fact that the new skills that ZoS implement, are always better than what DKs have. ZoS just take the original idea from the DKs skills and improve it.
1) Chains - the new leash will pull, probably 28m range.
2) Green Dragon blood - the new dark cloak way better version of GDB
In the past:
3) Petrify - Rune cage 28m range
4) Choken Talons - Gripping Shards 20% cheaper
5) Reflective Scale (one of the morphs should be absorb and generate ulti) - Shimmering Shield better and cheaper
6) Inferno - Hurricane
ZoS now you just have to take the leap and the whip and DKs will lose all their identity.
theres nothing wrong with this lol. the dks are just fine and are really good regardless. dks are tankier than any other class so whats the problem.0 -
DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Bashev is simply calling it like he/she sees it because its true lol. Almost every skill that made DK a threat and what it was all about has been turned into ultimates, skills, or given to other classes; Heck we even had our passive thrown onto a set.
Honestly just delete this class so I don't have to feel irritated every-time I play my DK while seeing other classes utilize my old competent skills.
Does that mean you're old and incontinent now? Wait... incompetent... no, that's not right...0 -
MaxwellC✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Edited by MaxwellC on July 11, 2018 6:05PM不動の Steadfast - Unwavering
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