Pre-PTS changes

Feanor · April 2018

Alcast has a summary on his HP (alcasthq.com) for the closed play test that occurred last week. Some changes seem to take up player requests, such as snare removal on reflective plate for DKs. The new infused trait for jewelry looks absurd. Overall thoughts? I hope some of these changes get tweaked quite a bit on the PTS, there are a lot of things that look a bit OP.

Minno · April 2018

Well you do trade 900 ish stats for ability to boost your enchant by 60%. So if you pick SD, the gold enchant is 170ish then 60% of that is 102. 900 divided by 10 is about 90. So you'll gain about 12SD but also lose shield value, have less stat to cast, etc.

So I think it's about balanced. I really like the mobilty enchants; definitely opens up build options for those that can't move.

I love all the class changes, except Sorc (10% nerf on shield feels unwarranted).

Feanor · April 2018

@Minno

Yeah, but what about a 60% increase on a fire, shock or poison damage glyph? Those are between 3 and 4K usually, so the jewelry glyph adds another 1.5 to 2k. It's more burst.

Tharok · April 2018

Two Handed Weapons counts as two set pieces! Oh damn!

Minno · April 2018

Feanor wrote: »

@Minno

Yeah, but what about a 60% increase on a fire, shock or poison damage glyph? Those are between 3 and 4K usually, so the jewelry glyph adds another 1.5 to 2k. It's more burst.

If it's anything like armor infused, it's only going to add 60% increase to the enchant on the jewel and nothing else. Will need to test when pts comes out but that is my assumption on how that will work.

None of the enchants look OP; all have specific conditions and some of the stronger ones might have more expensive mats that are required.

Aedaryl · April 2018

Feanor wrote: »

@Minno

Yeah, but what about a 60% increase on a fire, shock or poison damage glyph? Those are between 3 and 4K usually, so the jewelry glyph adds another 1.5 to 2k. It's more burst.

I'm pretty sure it will buff the jewlery glyph you have on the jewel by 60%

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · April 2018

Minno wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

@Minno

Yeah, but what about a 60% increase on a fire, shock or poison damage glyph? Those are between 3 and 4K usually, so the jewelry glyph adds another 1.5 to 2k. It's more burst.

If it's anything like armor infused, it's only going to add 60% increase to the enchant on the jewel and nothing else. Will need to test when pts comes out but that is my assumption on how that will work.

None of the enchants look OP; all have specific conditions and some of the stronger ones might have more expensive mats that are required.

this is the only way it could work, i mean i dont understand how you (Feanor) could think it would impact your weapon enchant when it is clearly a jewelry trait, we already have infused for weapons.

my problem with this is that this posts, https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/89e1in/summerset_update_18_teaser_a_recap_of_last_weeks/ says he could get the cost reduction enchant up to 600 resource reduction, this seems impossible as the gold 160cp cost reduction is only 203 and 60% more is only 122 so 203+122 is only 325 cost reduction. they would have to bump up the cost reduction to ~400 for that to make sense.

Feanor · April 2018

My bad. You're right. I got carried away a bit.

Minno · April 2018

Quick reference for those looking for the jewel enchants:
Robust – Increase Stamina by 870
Healthy – Increase Health by 957
Arcane – Increase Magicka by 870
Bloodthirsty – Increase execute damage by 20% when enemy is below 25%
Harmony – Increases the potency of Damage, Healing, Recovery & Damage Shields granted by Synergies by 35%
Infused – Increases the effect of the enchantment by 60%
Triune – Increases health, magicka, stamina by 435
Protective – Adds 1844 Physical resistance
Swift – Increased movement speed by 10%

They all seem balanced according to each other. Like blood thirsty only increases the execute DMG by 20% and you have to reach a threshold first. And physical resists is about a 2.7% mitigation before armor debuffs and 10% movement speed has a cap so you won't be able to become a train running everywhere.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · April 2018

Minno wrote: »

Quick reference for those looking for the jewel enchants:
Robust – Increase Stamina by 870
Healthy – Increase Health by 957
Arcane – Increase Magicka by 870
Bloodthirsty – Increase execute damage by 20% when enemy is below 25%
Harmony – Increases the potency of Damage, Healing, Recovery & Damage Shields granted by Synergies by 35%
Infused – Increases the effect of the enchantment by 60%
Triune – Increases health, magicka, stamina by 435
Protective – Adds 1844 Physical resistance
Swift – Increased movement speed by 10%

They all seem balanced according to each other. Like blood thirsty only increases the execute DMG by 20% and you have to reach a threshold first. And physical resists is about a 2.7% mitigation before armor debuffs and 10% movement speed has a cap so you won't be able to become a train running everywhere.

Protective is both Physical and spell resist

Bloodthirsty is ALL damage you do goes up 20% under 25%. not just executes.

Protective is proly the worst. would rather have healing done or received.

Minno · April 2018

Feanor wrote: »

My bad. You're right. I got carried away a bit.

No worries! You are committed to making sure nothing escapes unbalanced

Feanor · April 2018

What do you guys think of the dark cloak change? I do hope they take into account that a class burst heal that triggers the shadow passives is not a good idea if you think of heavy armor troll king stamblades. That way it's a no brainer between FM and Rally. I get they want to throw NB tanks a bone. But still, I hope they do adjust it with PvP in mind.

JobooAGS · April 2018

Feanor wrote: »

What do you guys think of the dark cloak change? I do hope they take into account that a class burst heal that triggers the shadow passives is not a good idea if you think of heavy armor troll king stamblades. That way it's a no brainer between FM and Rally. I get they want to throw NB tanks a bone. But still, I hope they do adjust it with PvP in mind.

Sure that is the case, but you know what a nb is not doing when he/she is using that morph?

Feanor · April 2018

@JobooAGS

Not stealthing, but as far as I know these builds don't rely on cloak as a invisibility skill anyway.

JobooAGS · April 2018

Feanor wrote: »

@JobooAGS

Not stealthing, but as far as I know these builds don't rely on cloak as a invisibility skill anyway.

Yes for dot supression and force missing, both of which will not happen with the new dark cloak

Feanor · April 2018

@JobooAGS

It could be argued that force missing attacks is a bug to begin with though.

JobooAGS · April 2018

Feanor wrote: »

@JobooAGS

It could be argued that force missing attacks is a bug to begin with though.

Doesnt change as to why it is used

Feanor · April 2018

JobooAGS wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

@JobooAGS

It could be argued that force missing attacks is a bug to begin with though.

Doesnt change as to why it is used

No, but if it is a bug, the tradeoff is way smaller. We will see. PTS is already looming.

JobooAGS · April 2018

Feanor wrote: »

JobooAGS wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

@JobooAGS

It could be argued that force missing attacks is a bug to begin with though.

Doesnt change as to why it is used

No, but if it is a bug, the tradeoff is way smaller. We will see. PTS is already looming.

Agreed, let us wait and see

ThorinWolfgang · April 2018

Cya magwarden. The only stun has gone.

Hutch679 · April 2018

ThorinWolfgang wrote: »

Cya magwarden. The only stun has gone.

What? I haven't seen anything about the stun being removed from deep fissure.

Tryxus · April 2018

ThorinWolfgang wrote: »

Cya magwarden. The only stun has gone.

Yup, without that stun, we don't have any reliable cc anymore. So we won't be able to pressure an opponent or set up our burst

Well, I always wanted to learn how to play a Stam char in PvP. Guess it's time to respec to StamDen

Minalan · April 2018

I’m... stupefied by the things ZOS does without thinking things through.

A hardened ward shield nerf? Really? You’re basically forcing every sorcerer to shield stack now, and killing the builds of the few of us who only ran hardened ward. Revert that. It’s not needed.

Empower grants 40% to light attacks... I can’t wait to get in game and put on queens elegance and light people up with 20K+ empowered overload shots. Again. Not a smart change at all, they seriously need to rework overload before doing this.

Swap the damage between overload heavy attacks and light attacks. Problem solved.

Bashev · April 2018

So 609 block cost reduction will be almost 1k. Not bad.

Hutch679 · April 2018

Tryxus wrote: »

ThorinWolfgang wrote: »

Cya magwarden. The only stun has gone.

Yup, without that stun, we don't have any reliable cc anymore. So we won't be able to pressure an opponent or set up our burst

Well, I always wanted to learn how to play a Stam char in PvP. Guess it's time to respec to StamDen

If they remove the stun, mag warden will be the worst class in pvp. They would become completely useless as a damage dealer. Honestly it's rather difficult to kill and experienced player right now as it is.

Torbschka · April 2018

Stam dks will become huge lol

Biro123 · April 2018

Sounds like the final nail in the coffin for DW magica builds.. sniff.

Biro123 · April 2018

Minalan wrote: »

I’m... stupefied by the things ZOS does without thinking things through.

A hardened ward shield nerf? Really? You’re basically forcing every sorcerer to shield stack now, and killing the builds of the few of us who only ran hardened ward. Revert that. It’s not needed.

Empower grants 40% to light attacks... I can’t wait to get in game and put on queens elegance and light people up with 20K+ empowered overload shots. Again. Not a smart change at all, they seriously need to rework overload before doing this.

Swap the damage between overload heavy attacks and light attacks. Problem solved.

I read the shield change as a buff to the other morph, with hardened staying the same.

KingJ · April 2018

Biro123 wrote: »

Sounds like the final nail in the coffin for DW magica builds.. sniff.

Yea were tired of your kind

Torbschka · April 2018

Biro123 wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

I’m... stupefied by the things ZOS does without thinking things through.

A hardened ward shield nerf? Really? You’re basically forcing every sorcerer to shield stack now, and killing the builds of the few of us who only ran hardened ward. Revert that. It’s not needed.

Empower grants 40% to light attacks... I can’t wait to get in game and put on queens elegance and light people up with 20K+ empowered overload shots. Again. Not a smart change at all, they seriously need to rework overload before doing this.

Swap the damage between overload heavy attacks and light attacks. Problem solved.

I read the shield change as a buff to the other morph, with hardened staying the same.

Me2, there is no shield nerf... Read again

Biro123 · April 2018

Torbschka wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

I’m... stupefied by the things ZOS does without thinking things through.

A hardened ward shield nerf? Really? You’re basically forcing every sorcerer to shield stack now, and killing the builds of the few of us who only ran hardened ward. Revert that. It’s not needed.

Empower grants 40% to light attacks... I can’t wait to get in game and put on queens elegance and light people up with 20K+ empowered overload shots. Again. Not a smart change at all, they seriously need to rework overload before doing this.

Swap the damage between overload heavy attacks and light attacks. Problem solved.

I read the shield change as a buff to the other morph, with hardened staying the same.

Me2, there is no shield nerf... Read again

It's actually a buff to pet shields.