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The Nightblade Nerfs are coming, better let the good ones negotiate the changes
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✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.
TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.
LOL. My mainStaticWave wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.
TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.StaticWave wrote: »@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.
TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.
That is the problem of balance discussions on the forums. You have people with no skill, bad knowledge, bias and bad builds who try to defend things they can't even grasp.
That's precisely why I don't take many forumers seriously. All I've seen from these nerf threads are either extreme hyperbole, or just straight up misinformation. I've backed up my argument with facts and videos, but some people still choose to ignore them and stay biased. If a lot of them play on NA PC, chances are I've run into them in cyrodill, whether solo or with a group. It's a shame skilled players that I frequently see in cyrodill don't really go on the forums too often. Their 2-cents weigh a lot more than those of people who act knowledgeable on the forums, but don't have the skills or actual knowledge to back it up.
LOL. NB is overpowered a lot to other classes . Lethal arrow with cloak almost overused in every PVP battles . USe detect pots for NB 35 meters away , without knowing his location. Sorc is not my main, even magicka builds. You completely misinformed. I going to have NB main. You did prove or refute the points except double CC. First prove then speak blah blah . You are very knowledgeable about the game. Come and defeat my argument or just play the tutorials . I am not going to disagree if point is proved. If entire player community including manys pros of the game look the other way, you should provide convincing point to player community. How noobs will argue you know ? By calling all others noob .
Refuse these points : -
1. Critical heal following cloak is not acceptable. Resets fight in 1 second. Aleady many made youtube videos and made a laughing stock.
2. Bomb build is not acceptable. 3 average nightablades destory entire group for 30-50 in 2 seconds. Very good balance. No one can run detection pods with shields all the time.
3. Cloak immediately after lethal arrow is not acceptable. Lethal arrow needs fixes that another topic. Rest is upto specific instances. Ranged attacks greater than 15 M should reveal NB location for 3 seconds. Spamming lethal arrows combined with cloak is not acceptable. Spam lethal arrows with cloak ,
@Minalan just told magicka builds how magicka builds escape from double CCs. That too its very secret build . He just PM. Again he didnt refute other points in convincing way to make NB overpowered .
Nbs are overpowered? Not in the least. Your example with lethal arrow and cloak cannot be used to judge the entire class, since you're specifically talking about the gank playstyle. Many classes outperform Nbs in other builds.
1/ Crit heals in cloak is the only reason Nbs can compete with other stam classes like stamdks, stamwardens, stamsorcs, and stamplars. While cloak can often reset the fight, it is in fact very unreliable if your opponents know how to counter it. Stamsorcs who use hurricane and streak will not let you stay in cloak. Stamdks will use noxious breath and volatile armor to constantly pull you out of stealth. Stamplars will constantly snare you with their passive, then pull you out of cloak with their biting jabs. Stamwardens can sub assault and just face the direction where they think you are. If you are pulled out of cloak, your heals will not crit. If you take away crit heals, then you are forcing Nbs to cloak more, which is what people complain about. They lack the heals that other classes have.
2/ Again, you are talking about a specific playstyle. You can't make a blanket judgement about the class based on a specific build. The main damage skills magblades run to bomb groups are powerful aoes like destro ult, and proxy det. You can pull off the same feat on another magicka class if you run an invisible potion. Nbs just do it better since they have a built in invisibility skill. Moreover, that specific playstyle requires good judgement. Not many people can pull it off, and it certainly does not perform well in other scenarios.
3/ Again, you're talking about a specific playstyle that does not make the entire class overpowered. Sniping builds use cloak as their main defense. I don't need to refute this point because it does not make sense to judge an entire class based on your bad taste with one playstyle.
For your information. Destro ultimate cannot make bomb build even proximity detonation. Players have enough time to escape and pull their shields up and kill you in no time. Only NB can do it with their ultimate which combines with CC. Kill entire group in 2 seconds. No other classes can do it in any way. With destro ultimate cannot CC . You will get killed in no time.
Lethal arrow spam by NB is different from other classes. When NB uses lethal arrow combines with cloak not revealing location, it cannot be countered , when player is 35 meters away. Lethal arrow itself needs fixes increasing channel time or just cannot be spammed or exploited. Either they have to reveal location of player using lethal arrow and cannot cloak for 3 or 2 seconds.
NB lacks the heal other classes have. Its not all classes . Other classes lacks the cloak that NB have. Other classes lack critical heal. Cloak is not the problem here. Critical heal is the problem. Why should NB have critical heal with cloak when other classes can only ordinary heal without cloak ?
Couple of things:- Spamming Lethal Arrow has to be one of the least effective ways of PvP'ing. I don't know how it's even possible to die to Lethal Arrow spam (Asylum combo is a whole another matter).
- Cloaking immediately after Lethal Arrow results in your cloak breaking around one second later as the Lethal Arrow lands. Possibly the worst use of cloak in history.
- Cloak doesn't give you crit heals, not if there's even one DoT on target (such as the Poisoned status effect from those Lethal Arrows). If there's a DoT on target, crit morph of cloak does nothing. Bug documented here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392360/shadowy-disguise-still-bugged
Since you clearly seem to be struggling with the zerg surfing Lethal Arrow spammers, allow me to offer a foolproof way of gathering free AP points:- Dodge Lethal Arrow (or break CC caused by that 5-6k Lethal Arrow from the typical Hundings Rage pro sniper).
- Pay attention & move towards the NB, he'll be spamming those Lethal Arrows because pugs are predictable.
- When in range, use gap closer.
- CC/Ulti.
- Gather AP.
You're welcome.Priyasekarssk wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.
TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.
LOL. My mainStaticWave wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.
TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.StaticWave wrote: »@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.
TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.
That is the problem of balance discussions on the forums. You have people with no skill, bad knowledge, bias and bad builds who try to defend things they can't even grasp.
That's precisely why I don't take many forumers seriously. All I've seen from these nerf threads are either extreme hyperbole, or just straight up misinformation. I've backed up my argument with facts and videos, but some people still choose to ignore them and stay biased. If a lot of them play on NA PC, chances are I've run into them in cyrodill, whether solo or with a group. It's a shame skilled players that I frequently see in cyrodill don't really go on the forums too often. Their 2-cents weigh a lot more than those of people who act knowledgeable on the forums, but don't have the skills or actual knowledge to back it up.
LOL. NB is overpowered a lot to other classes . Lethal arrow with cloak almost overused in every PVP battles . USe detect pots for NB 35 meters away , without knowing his location. Sorc is not my main, even magicka builds. You completely misinformed. I going to have NB main. You did prove or refute the points except double CC. First prove then speak blah blah . You are very knowledgeable about the game. Come and defeat my argument or just play the tutorials . I am not going to disagree if point is proved. If entire player community including manys pros of the game look the other way, you should provide convincing point to player community. How noobs will argue you know ? By calling all others noob .
Refuse these points : -
1. Critical heal following cloak is not acceptable. Resets fight in 1 second. Aleady many made youtube videos and made a laughing stock.
2. Bomb build is not acceptable. 3 average nightablades destory entire group for 30-50 in 2 seconds. Very good balance. No one can run detection pods with shields all the time.
3. Cloak immediately after lethal arrow is not acceptable. Lethal arrow needs fixes that another topic. Rest is upto specific instances. Ranged attacks greater than 15 M should reveal NB location for 3 seconds. Spamming lethal arrows combined with cloak is not acceptable. Spam lethal arrows with cloak ,
@Minalan just told magicka builds how magicka builds escape from double CCs. That too its very secret build . He just PM. Again he didnt refute other points in convincing way to make NB overpowered .
Nbs are overpowered? Not in the least. Your example with lethal arrow and cloak cannot be used to judge the entire class, since you're specifically talking about the gank playstyle. Many classes outperform Nbs in other builds.
1/ Crit heals in cloak is the only reason Nbs can compete with other stam classes like stamdks, stamwardens, stamsorcs, and stamplars. While cloak can often reset the fight, it is in fact very unreliable if your opponents know how to counter it. Stamsorcs who use hurricane and streak will not let you stay in cloak. Stamdks will use noxious breath and volatile armor to constantly pull you out of stealth. Stamplars will constantly snare you with their passive, then pull you out of cloak with their biting jabs. Stamwardens can sub assault and just face the direction where they think you are. If you are pulled out of cloak, your heals will not crit. If you take away crit heals, then you are forcing Nbs to cloak more, which is what people complain about. They lack the heals that other classes have.
2/ Again, you are talking about a specific playstyle. You can't make a blanket judgement about the class based on a specific build. The main damage skills magblades run to bomb groups are powerful aoes like destro ult, and proxy det. You can pull off the same feat on another magicka class if you run an invisible potion. Nbs just do it better since they have a built in invisibility skill. Moreover, that specific playstyle requires good judgement. Not many people can pull it off, and it certainly does not perform well in other scenarios.
3/ Again, you're talking about a specific playstyle that does not make the entire class overpowered. Sniping builds use cloak as their main defense. I don't need to refute this point because it does not make sense to judge an entire class based on your bad taste with one playstyle.
For your information. Destro ultimate cannot make bomb build even proximity detonation. Players have enough time to escape and pull their shields up and kill you in no time. Only NB can do it with their ultimate which combines with CC. Kill entire group in 2 seconds. No other classes can do it in any way. With destro ultimate cannot CC . You will get killed in no time.
Lethal arrow spam by NB is different from other classes. When NB uses lethal arrow combines with cloak not revealing location, it cannot be countered , when player is 35 meters away. Lethal arrow itself needs fixes increasing channel time or just cannot be spammed or exploited. Either they have to reveal location of player using lethal arrow and cannot cloak for 3 or 2 seconds.
NB lacks the heal other classes have. Its not all classes . Other classes lacks the cloak that NB have. Other classes lack critical heal. Cloak is not the problem here. Critical heal is the problem. Why should NB have critical heal with cloak when other classes can only ordinary heal without cloak ?
Couple of things:- Spamming Lethal Arrow has to be one of the least effective ways of PvP'ing. I don't know how it's even possible to die to Lethal Arrow spam (Asylum combo is a whole another matter).
- Cloaking immediately after Lethal Arrow results in your cloak breaking around one second later as the Lethal Arrow lands. Possibly the worst use of cloak in history.
- Cloak doesn't give you crit heals, not if there's even one DoT on target (such as the Poisoned status effect from those Lethal Arrows). If there's a DoT on target, crit morph of cloak does nothing. Bug documented here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392360/shadowy-disguise-still-bugged
Since you clearly seem to be struggling with the zerg surfing Lethal Arrow spammers, allow me to offer a foolproof way of gathering free AP points:- Dodge Lethal Arrow (or break CC caused by that 5-6k Lethal Arrow from the typical Hundings Rage pro sniper).
- Pay attention & move towards the NB, he'll be spamming those Lethal Arrows because pugs are predictable.
- When in range, use gap closer.
- CC/Ulti.
- Gather AP.
You're welcome.
"Since you clearly seem to be struggling with the zerg surfing Lethal Arrow spammers."
'Cloaking immediately after Lethal Arrow results in your cloak breaking around one second later as the Lethal Arrow lands. Possibly the worst use of cloak in history." All you need 2 lethal arrows combined with poison injection with 2 cloaks. Probably its best or worst use. Main problem is locating the enemy. You can run and hide immediately in stealth after CC break. Sometimes you might run into same direction of spammer. 35 M? No gap closer can do that. Either lethal arrow has to be fixed .
Oh yes. Entire community is struggling except heavy armor builds.
No matter who you think you are you don't speak for the whole community.
Doesn't matter the nerfs are coming. We have lots of bad Players crying for nerfs but more importantly the best NBs agree that the class is too strong currently. ZoS always nerfed the FotM after one or two patches.
He might be completely ignorant and exaggerating but he's right
Nerfs will be coming for all classes as well as some changes that could be a buff.
We will adjust as always and they will still cry when they die.
The most positive thing I have heard is ZOS is adding some new blood to the PvP team.Edited by TequilaFire on April 2, 2018 10:03PM0 -
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✭TequilaFire wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.
TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.
LOL. My mainStaticWave wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.
TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.StaticWave wrote: »@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.
TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.
That is the problem of balance discussions on the forums. You have people with no skill, bad knowledge, bias and bad builds who try to defend things they can't even grasp.
That's precisely why I don't take many forumers seriously. All I've seen from these nerf threads are either extreme hyperbole, or just straight up misinformation. I've backed up my argument with facts and videos, but some people still choose to ignore them and stay biased. If a lot of them play on NA PC, chances are I've run into them in cyrodill, whether solo or with a group. It's a shame skilled players that I frequently see in cyrodill don't really go on the forums too often. Their 2-cents weigh a lot more than those of people who act knowledgeable on the forums, but don't have the skills or actual knowledge to back it up.
LOL. NB is overpowered a lot to other classes . Lethal arrow with cloak almost overused in every PVP battles . USe detect pots for NB 35 meters away , without knowing his location. Sorc is not my main, even magicka builds. You completely misinformed. I going to have NB main. You did prove or refute the points except double CC. First prove then speak blah blah . You are very knowledgeable about the game. Come and defeat my argument or just play the tutorials . I am not going to disagree if point is proved. If entire player community including manys pros of the game look the other way, you should provide convincing point to player community. How noobs will argue you know ? By calling all others noob .
Refuse these points : -
1. Critical heal following cloak is not acceptable. Resets fight in 1 second. Aleady many made youtube videos and made a laughing stock.
2. Bomb build is not acceptable. 3 average nightablades destory entire group for 30-50 in 2 seconds. Very good balance. No one can run detection pods with shields all the time.
3. Cloak immediately after lethal arrow is not acceptable. Lethal arrow needs fixes that another topic. Rest is upto specific instances. Ranged attacks greater than 15 M should reveal NB location for 3 seconds. Spamming lethal arrows combined with cloak is not acceptable. Spam lethal arrows with cloak ,
@Minalan just told magicka builds how magicka builds escape from double CCs. That too its very secret build . He just PM. Again he didnt refute other points in convincing way to make NB overpowered .
Nbs are overpowered? Not in the least. Your example with lethal arrow and cloak cannot be used to judge the entire class, since you're specifically talking about the gank playstyle. Many classes outperform Nbs in other builds.
1/ Crit heals in cloak is the only reason Nbs can compete with other stam classes like stamdks, stamwardens, stamsorcs, and stamplars. While cloak can often reset the fight, it is in fact very unreliable if your opponents know how to counter it. Stamsorcs who use hurricane and streak will not let you stay in cloak. Stamdks will use noxious breath and volatile armor to constantly pull you out of stealth. Stamplars will constantly snare you with their passive, then pull you out of cloak with their biting jabs. Stamwardens can sub assault and just face the direction where they think you are. If you are pulled out of cloak, your heals will not crit. If you take away crit heals, then you are forcing Nbs to cloak more, which is what people complain about. They lack the heals that other classes have.
2/ Again, you are talking about a specific playstyle. You can't make a blanket judgement about the class based on a specific build. The main damage skills magblades run to bomb groups are powerful aoes like destro ult, and proxy det. You can pull off the same feat on another magicka class if you run an invisible potion. Nbs just do it better since they have a built in invisibility skill. Moreover, that specific playstyle requires good judgement. Not many people can pull it off, and it certainly does not perform well in other scenarios.
3/ Again, you're talking about a specific playstyle that does not make the entire class overpowered. Sniping builds use cloak as their main defense. I don't need to refute this point because it does not make sense to judge an entire class based on your bad taste with one playstyle.
For your information. Destro ultimate cannot make bomb build even proximity detonation. Players have enough time to escape and pull their shields up and kill you in no time. Only NB can do it with their ultimate which combines with CC. Kill entire group in 2 seconds. No other classes can do it in any way. With destro ultimate cannot CC . You will get killed in no time.
Lethal arrow spam by NB is different from other classes. When NB uses lethal arrow combines with cloak not revealing location, it cannot be countered , when player is 35 meters away. Lethal arrow itself needs fixes increasing channel time or just cannot be spammed or exploited. Either they have to reveal location of player using lethal arrow and cannot cloak for 3 or 2 seconds.
NB lacks the heal other classes have. Its not all classes . Other classes lacks the cloak that NB have. Other classes lack critical heal. Cloak is not the problem here. Critical heal is the problem. Why should NB have critical heal with cloak when other classes can only ordinary heal without cloak ?
Couple of things:- Spamming Lethal Arrow has to be one of the least effective ways of PvP'ing. I don't know how it's even possible to die to Lethal Arrow spam (Asylum combo is a whole another matter).
- Cloaking immediately after Lethal Arrow results in your cloak breaking around one second later as the Lethal Arrow lands. Possibly the worst use of cloak in history.
- Cloak doesn't give you crit heals, not if there's even one DoT on target (such as the Poisoned status effect from those Lethal Arrows). If there's a DoT on target, crit morph of cloak does nothing. Bug documented here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392360/shadowy-disguise-still-bugged
Since you clearly seem to be struggling with the zerg surfing Lethal Arrow spammers, allow me to offer a foolproof way of gathering free AP points:- Dodge Lethal Arrow (or break CC caused by that 5-6k Lethal Arrow from the typical Hundings Rage pro sniper).
- Pay attention & move towards the NB, he'll be spamming those Lethal Arrows because pugs are predictable.
- When in range, use gap closer.
- CC/Ulti.
- Gather AP.
You're welcome.Priyasekarssk wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.
TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.
LOL. My mainStaticWave wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.
TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.StaticWave wrote: »@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.
TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.
That is the problem of balance discussions on the forums. You have people with no skill, bad knowledge, bias and bad builds who try to defend things they can't even grasp.
That's precisely why I don't take many forumers seriously. All I've seen from these nerf threads are either extreme hyperbole, or just straight up misinformation. I've backed up my argument with facts and videos, but some people still choose to ignore them and stay biased. If a lot of them play on NA PC, chances are I've run into them in cyrodill, whether solo or with a group. It's a shame skilled players that I frequently see in cyrodill don't really go on the forums too often. Their 2-cents weigh a lot more than those of people who act knowledgeable on the forums, but don't have the skills or actual knowledge to back it up.
LOL. NB is overpowered a lot to other classes . Lethal arrow with cloak almost overused in every PVP battles . USe detect pots for NB 35 meters away , without knowing his location. Sorc is not my main, even magicka builds. You completely misinformed. I going to have NB main. You did prove or refute the points except double CC. First prove then speak blah blah . You are very knowledgeable about the game. Come and defeat my argument or just play the tutorials . I am not going to disagree if point is proved. If entire player community including manys pros of the game look the other way, you should provide convincing point to player community. How noobs will argue you know ? By calling all others noob .
Refuse these points : -
1. Critical heal following cloak is not acceptable. Resets fight in 1 second. Aleady many made youtube videos and made a laughing stock.
2. Bomb build is not acceptable. 3 average nightablades destory entire group for 30-50 in 2 seconds. Very good balance. No one can run detection pods with shields all the time.
3. Cloak immediately after lethal arrow is not acceptable. Lethal arrow needs fixes that another topic. Rest is upto specific instances. Ranged attacks greater than 15 M should reveal NB location for 3 seconds. Spamming lethal arrows combined with cloak is not acceptable. Spam lethal arrows with cloak ,
@Minalan just told magicka builds how magicka builds escape from double CCs. That too its very secret build . He just PM. Again he didnt refute other points in convincing way to make NB overpowered .
Nbs are overpowered? Not in the least. Your example with lethal arrow and cloak cannot be used to judge the entire class, since you're specifically talking about the gank playstyle. Many classes outperform Nbs in other builds.
1/ Crit heals in cloak is the only reason Nbs can compete with other stam classes like stamdks, stamwardens, stamsorcs, and stamplars. While cloak can often reset the fight, it is in fact very unreliable if your opponents know how to counter it. Stamsorcs who use hurricane and streak will not let you stay in cloak. Stamdks will use noxious breath and volatile armor to constantly pull you out of stealth. Stamplars will constantly snare you with their passive, then pull you out of cloak with their biting jabs. Stamwardens can sub assault and just face the direction where they think you are. If you are pulled out of cloak, your heals will not crit. If you take away crit heals, then you are forcing Nbs to cloak more, which is what people complain about. They lack the heals that other classes have.
2/ Again, you are talking about a specific playstyle. You can't make a blanket judgement about the class based on a specific build. The main damage skills magblades run to bomb groups are powerful aoes like destro ult, and proxy det. You can pull off the same feat on another magicka class if you run an invisible potion. Nbs just do it better since they have a built in invisibility skill. Moreover, that specific playstyle requires good judgement. Not many people can pull it off, and it certainly does not perform well in other scenarios.
3/ Again, you're talking about a specific playstyle that does not make the entire class overpowered. Sniping builds use cloak as their main defense. I don't need to refute this point because it does not make sense to judge an entire class based on your bad taste with one playstyle.
For your information. Destro ultimate cannot make bomb build even proximity detonation. Players have enough time to escape and pull their shields up and kill you in no time. Only NB can do it with their ultimate which combines with CC. Kill entire group in 2 seconds. No other classes can do it in any way. With destro ultimate cannot CC . You will get killed in no time.
Lethal arrow spam by NB is different from other classes. When NB uses lethal arrow combines with cloak not revealing location, it cannot be countered , when player is 35 meters away. Lethal arrow itself needs fixes increasing channel time or just cannot be spammed or exploited. Either they have to reveal location of player using lethal arrow and cannot cloak for 3 or 2 seconds.
NB lacks the heal other classes have. Its not all classes . Other classes lacks the cloak that NB have. Other classes lack critical heal. Cloak is not the problem here. Critical heal is the problem. Why should NB have critical heal with cloak when other classes can only ordinary heal without cloak ?
Couple of things:- Spamming Lethal Arrow has to be one of the least effective ways of PvP'ing. I don't know how it's even possible to die to Lethal Arrow spam (Asylum combo is a whole another matter).
- Cloaking immediately after Lethal Arrow results in your cloak breaking around one second later as the Lethal Arrow lands. Possibly the worst use of cloak in history.
- Cloak doesn't give you crit heals, not if there's even one DoT on target (such as the Poisoned status effect from those Lethal Arrows). If there's a DoT on target, crit morph of cloak does nothing. Bug documented here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392360/shadowy-disguise-still-bugged
Since you clearly seem to be struggling with the zerg surfing Lethal Arrow spammers, allow me to offer a foolproof way of gathering free AP points:- Dodge Lethal Arrow (or break CC caused by that 5-6k Lethal Arrow from the typical Hundings Rage pro sniper).
- Pay attention & move towards the NB, he'll be spamming those Lethal Arrows because pugs are predictable.
- When in range, use gap closer.
- CC/Ulti.
- Gather AP.
You're welcome.
"Since you clearly seem to be struggling with the zerg surfing Lethal Arrow spammers."
'Cloaking immediately after Lethal Arrow results in your cloak breaking around one second later as the Lethal Arrow lands. Possibly the worst use of cloak in history." All you need 2 lethal arrows combined with poison injection with 2 cloaks. Probably its best or worst use. Main problem is locating the enemy. You can run and hide immediately in stealth after CC break. Sometimes you might run into same direction of spammer. 35 M? No gap closer can do that. Either lethal arrow has to be fixed .
Oh yes. Entire community is struggling except heavy armor builds.
No matter who you think you are you don't speak for the whole community.
Doesn't matter the nerfs are coming. We have lots of bad Players crying for nerfs but more importantly the best NBs agree that the class is too strong currently. ZoS always nerfed the FotM after one or two patches.
He might be completely ignorant and exaggerating but he's right
Who are these best nightblades who think the class is op I'm just curious. Because I know plenty of top nightblades Magicka and stamina that I play against on a regular basis and most of us don't believe the class is op. Maybe there are a few really good nightblades who think the class is op but they are in the minority from what I experienced I won't speak for the whole class though, and I'm only speaking for PvP. You may be right there nerfs probably are coming but in reality the only class that underperforms a bit is Stam dk.3 -
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✭✭thankyourat wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.
TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.
LOL. My mainStaticWave wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.
TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.StaticWave wrote: »@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.
TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.
That is the problem of balance discussions on the forums. You have people with no skill, bad knowledge, bias and bad builds who try to defend things they can't even grasp.
That's precisely why I don't take many forumers seriously. All I've seen from these nerf threads are either extreme hyperbole, or just straight up misinformation. I've backed up my argument with facts and videos, but some people still choose to ignore them and stay biased. If a lot of them play on NA PC, chances are I've run into them in cyrodill, whether solo or with a group. It's a shame skilled players that I frequently see in cyrodill don't really go on the forums too often. Their 2-cents weigh a lot more than those of people who act knowledgeable on the forums, but don't have the skills or actual knowledge to back it up.
LOL. NB is overpowered a lot to other classes . Lethal arrow with cloak almost overused in every PVP battles . USe detect pots for NB 35 meters away , without knowing his location. Sorc is not my main, even magicka builds. You completely misinformed. I going to have NB main. You did prove or refute the points except double CC. First prove then speak blah blah . You are very knowledgeable about the game. Come and defeat my argument or just play the tutorials . I am not going to disagree if point is proved. If entire player community including manys pros of the game look the other way, you should provide convincing point to player community. How noobs will argue you know ? By calling all others noob .
Refuse these points : -
1. Critical heal following cloak is not acceptable. Resets fight in 1 second. Aleady many made youtube videos and made a laughing stock.
2. Bomb build is not acceptable. 3 average nightablades destory entire group for 30-50 in 2 seconds. Very good balance. No one can run detection pods with shields all the time.
3. Cloak immediately after lethal arrow is not acceptable. Lethal arrow needs fixes that another topic. Rest is upto specific instances. Ranged attacks greater than 15 M should reveal NB location for 3 seconds. Spamming lethal arrows combined with cloak is not acceptable. Spam lethal arrows with cloak ,
@Minalan just told magicka builds how magicka builds escape from double CCs. That too its very secret build . He just PM. Again he didnt refute other points in convincing way to make NB overpowered .
Nbs are overpowered? Not in the least. Your example with lethal arrow and cloak cannot be used to judge the entire class, since you're specifically talking about the gank playstyle. Many classes outperform Nbs in other builds.
1/ Crit heals in cloak is the only reason Nbs can compete with other stam classes like stamdks, stamwardens, stamsorcs, and stamplars. While cloak can often reset the fight, it is in fact very unreliable if your opponents know how to counter it. Stamsorcs who use hurricane and streak will not let you stay in cloak. Stamdks will use noxious breath and volatile armor to constantly pull you out of stealth. Stamplars will constantly snare you with their passive, then pull you out of cloak with their biting jabs. Stamwardens can sub assault and just face the direction where they think you are. If you are pulled out of cloak, your heals will not crit. If you take away crit heals, then you are forcing Nbs to cloak more, which is what people complain about. They lack the heals that other classes have.
2/ Again, you are talking about a specific playstyle. You can't make a blanket judgement about the class based on a specific build. The main damage skills magblades run to bomb groups are powerful aoes like destro ult, and proxy det. You can pull off the same feat on another magicka class if you run an invisible potion. Nbs just do it better since they have a built in invisibility skill. Moreover, that specific playstyle requires good judgement. Not many people can pull it off, and it certainly does not perform well in other scenarios.
3/ Again, you're talking about a specific playstyle that does not make the entire class overpowered. Sniping builds use cloak as their main defense. I don't need to refute this point because it does not make sense to judge an entire class based on your bad taste with one playstyle.
For your information. Destro ultimate cannot make bomb build even proximity detonation. Players have enough time to escape and pull their shields up and kill you in no time. Only NB can do it with their ultimate which combines with CC. Kill entire group in 2 seconds. No other classes can do it in any way. With destro ultimate cannot CC . You will get killed in no time.
Lethal arrow spam by NB is different from other classes. When NB uses lethal arrow combines with cloak not revealing location, it cannot be countered , when player is 35 meters away. Lethal arrow itself needs fixes increasing channel time or just cannot be spammed or exploited. Either they have to reveal location of player using lethal arrow and cannot cloak for 3 or 2 seconds.
NB lacks the heal other classes have. Its not all classes . Other classes lacks the cloak that NB have. Other classes lack critical heal. Cloak is not the problem here. Critical heal is the problem. Why should NB have critical heal with cloak when other classes can only ordinary heal without cloak ?
Couple of things:- Spamming Lethal Arrow has to be one of the least effective ways of PvP'ing. I don't know how it's even possible to die to Lethal Arrow spam (Asylum combo is a whole another matter).
- Cloaking immediately after Lethal Arrow results in your cloak breaking around one second later as the Lethal Arrow lands. Possibly the worst use of cloak in history.
- Cloak doesn't give you crit heals, not if there's even one DoT on target (such as the Poisoned status effect from those Lethal Arrows). If there's a DoT on target, crit morph of cloak does nothing. Bug documented here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392360/shadowy-disguise-still-bugged
Since you clearly seem to be struggling with the zerg surfing Lethal Arrow spammers, allow me to offer a foolproof way of gathering free AP points:- Dodge Lethal Arrow (or break CC caused by that 5-6k Lethal Arrow from the typical Hundings Rage pro sniper).
- Pay attention & move towards the NB, he'll be spamming those Lethal Arrows because pugs are predictable.
- When in range, use gap closer.
- CC/Ulti.
- Gather AP.
You're welcome.Priyasekarssk wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.
TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.
LOL. My mainStaticWave wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.
TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.StaticWave wrote: »@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.
TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.
That is the problem of balance discussions on the forums. You have people with no skill, bad knowledge, bias and bad builds who try to defend things they can't even grasp.
That's precisely why I don't take many forumers seriously. All I've seen from these nerf threads are either extreme hyperbole, or just straight up misinformation. I've backed up my argument with facts and videos, but some people still choose to ignore them and stay biased. If a lot of them play on NA PC, chances are I've run into them in cyrodill, whether solo or with a group. It's a shame skilled players that I frequently see in cyrodill don't really go on the forums too often. Their 2-cents weigh a lot more than those of people who act knowledgeable on the forums, but don't have the skills or actual knowledge to back it up.
LOL. NB is overpowered a lot to other classes . Lethal arrow with cloak almost overused in every PVP battles . USe detect pots for NB 35 meters away , without knowing his location. Sorc is not my main, even magicka builds. You completely misinformed. I going to have NB main. You did prove or refute the points except double CC. First prove then speak blah blah . You are very knowledgeable about the game. Come and defeat my argument or just play the tutorials . I am not going to disagree if point is proved. If entire player community including manys pros of the game look the other way, you should provide convincing point to player community. How noobs will argue you know ? By calling all others noob .
Refuse these points : -
1. Critical heal following cloak is not acceptable. Resets fight in 1 second. Aleady many made youtube videos and made a laughing stock.
2. Bomb build is not acceptable. 3 average nightablades destory entire group for 30-50 in 2 seconds. Very good balance. No one can run detection pods with shields all the time.
3. Cloak immediately after lethal arrow is not acceptable. Lethal arrow needs fixes that another topic. Rest is upto specific instances. Ranged attacks greater than 15 M should reveal NB location for 3 seconds. Spamming lethal arrows combined with cloak is not acceptable. Spam lethal arrows with cloak ,
@Minalan just told magicka builds how magicka builds escape from double CCs. That too its very secret build . He just PM. Again he didnt refute other points in convincing way to make NB overpowered .
Nbs are overpowered? Not in the least. Your example with lethal arrow and cloak cannot be used to judge the entire class, since you're specifically talking about the gank playstyle. Many classes outperform Nbs in other builds.
1/ Crit heals in cloak is the only reason Nbs can compete with other stam classes like stamdks, stamwardens, stamsorcs, and stamplars. While cloak can often reset the fight, it is in fact very unreliable if your opponents know how to counter it. Stamsorcs who use hurricane and streak will not let you stay in cloak. Stamdks will use noxious breath and volatile armor to constantly pull you out of stealth. Stamplars will constantly snare you with their passive, then pull you out of cloak with their biting jabs. Stamwardens can sub assault and just face the direction where they think you are. If you are pulled out of cloak, your heals will not crit. If you take away crit heals, then you are forcing Nbs to cloak more, which is what people complain about. They lack the heals that other classes have.
2/ Again, you are talking about a specific playstyle. You can't make a blanket judgement about the class based on a specific build. The main damage skills magblades run to bomb groups are powerful aoes like destro ult, and proxy det. You can pull off the same feat on another magicka class if you run an invisible potion. Nbs just do it better since they have a built in invisibility skill. Moreover, that specific playstyle requires good judgement. Not many people can pull it off, and it certainly does not perform well in other scenarios.
3/ Again, you're talking about a specific playstyle that does not make the entire class overpowered. Sniping builds use cloak as their main defense. I don't need to refute this point because it does not make sense to judge an entire class based on your bad taste with one playstyle.
For your information. Destro ultimate cannot make bomb build even proximity detonation. Players have enough time to escape and pull their shields up and kill you in no time. Only NB can do it with their ultimate which combines with CC. Kill entire group in 2 seconds. No other classes can do it in any way. With destro ultimate cannot CC . You will get killed in no time.
Lethal arrow spam by NB is different from other classes. When NB uses lethal arrow combines with cloak not revealing location, it cannot be countered , when player is 35 meters away. Lethal arrow itself needs fixes increasing channel time or just cannot be spammed or exploited. Either they have to reveal location of player using lethal arrow and cannot cloak for 3 or 2 seconds.
NB lacks the heal other classes have. Its not all classes . Other classes lacks the cloak that NB have. Other classes lack critical heal. Cloak is not the problem here. Critical heal is the problem. Why should NB have critical heal with cloak when other classes can only ordinary heal without cloak ?
Couple of things:- Spamming Lethal Arrow has to be one of the least effective ways of PvP'ing. I don't know how it's even possible to die to Lethal Arrow spam (Asylum combo is a whole another matter).
- Cloaking immediately after Lethal Arrow results in your cloak breaking around one second later as the Lethal Arrow lands. Possibly the worst use of cloak in history.
- Cloak doesn't give you crit heals, not if there's even one DoT on target (such as the Poisoned status effect from those Lethal Arrows). If there's a DoT on target, crit morph of cloak does nothing. Bug documented here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392360/shadowy-disguise-still-bugged
Since you clearly seem to be struggling with the zerg surfing Lethal Arrow spammers, allow me to offer a foolproof way of gathering free AP points:- Dodge Lethal Arrow (or break CC caused by that 5-6k Lethal Arrow from the typical Hundings Rage pro sniper).
- Pay attention & move towards the NB, he'll be spamming those Lethal Arrows because pugs are predictable.
- When in range, use gap closer.
- CC/Ulti.
- Gather AP.
You're welcome.
"Since you clearly seem to be struggling with the zerg surfing Lethal Arrow spammers."
'Cloaking immediately after Lethal Arrow results in your cloak breaking around one second later as the Lethal Arrow lands. Possibly the worst use of cloak in history." All you need 2 lethal arrows combined with poison injection with 2 cloaks. Probably its best or worst use. Main problem is locating the enemy. You can run and hide immediately in stealth after CC break. Sometimes you might run into same direction of spammer. 35 M? No gap closer can do that. Either lethal arrow has to be fixed .
Oh yes. Entire community is struggling except heavy armor builds.
No matter who you think you are you don't speak for the whole community.
Doesn't matter the nerfs are coming. We have lots of bad Players crying for nerfs but more importantly the best NBs agree that the class is too strong currently. ZoS always nerfed the FotM after one or two patches.
He might be completely ignorant and exaggerating but he's right
Who are these best nightblades who think the class is op I'm just curious. Because I know plenty of top nightblades Magicka and stamina that I play against on a regular basis and most of us don't believe the class is op. Maybe there are a few really good nightblades who think the class is op but they are in the minority from what I experienced I won't speak for the whole class though, and I'm only speaking for PvP. You may be right there nerfs probably are coming but in reality the only class that underperforms a bit is Stam dk.
@Ragnaroek93, @Subversus , @Derra, @Nafirian are top players on Pc EU, i could add countless people to this list who absolutely dominate PvP on Pc EU. Long time Mains who never played nightblade are switching to the class because it's this strong.
Stamdk underperfoms more than just a bit. When you compare specs to stamnb only magnb and warden can somewhat compete in terms of overall performance, build sacrifices, ease of use, etc.
Other specs s can be strong but they just fail to come close to NB0 -
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✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.
TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.
That is the problem of balance discussions on the forums. You have people with no skill, bad knowledge, bias and bad builds who try to defend things they can't even grasp.
pure insult and speculation.
you know for a fact the people who are trying to defend nightblade class are doing so because you guys keep making false claims.
You do realize that the nerfs are coming, like it or not, right? This isn’t a “pls nurf” thread, this was supposed to be a thread for suggestions on alternate changes that nerf the class but don’t gut it. It’s people like you that turned it into what it is nowz0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.
TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.
That is the problem of balance discussions on the forums. You have people with no skill, bad knowledge, bias and bad builds who try to defend things they can't even grasp.
pure insult and speculation.
you know for a fact the people who are trying to defend nightblade class are doing so because you guys keep making false claims.
You do realize that the nerfs are coming, like it or not, right? This isn’t a “pls nurf” thread, this was supposed to be a thread for suggestions on alternate changes that nerf the class but don’t gut it. It’s people like you that turned it into what it is nowz
Please link a dev post about these nerfs, while I don't doubt there will be some where is this proof other than hearsay?
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Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.
TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.
That is the problem of balance discussions on the forums. You have people with no skill, bad knowledge, bias and bad builds who try to defend things they can't even grasp.
pure insult and speculation.
you know for a fact the people who are trying to defend nightblade class are doing so because you guys keep making false claims.
You do realize that the nerfs are coming, like it or not, right? This isn’t a “pls nurf” thread, this was supposed to be a thread for suggestions on alternate changes that nerf the class but don’t gut it. It’s people like you that turned it into what it is nowz
Please link a dev post about these nerfs, while I don't doubt there will be some where is this proof other than hearsay?
They never done previously until patch notes comes out. NBs never nerfed in the past. If they didnt which is highly unlikely everyone will be NBs in PVP area. ZOs care atleast to save PVP in their game . Already many are making fun of NBs.
Lets play hide and seek with snipes. Lets bomb each other and everyone dies. It will be even more fun.Edited by Priyasekarssk on April 3, 2018 1:25PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.
TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.
That is the problem of balance discussions on the forums. You have people with no skill, bad knowledge, bias and bad builds who try to defend things they can't even grasp.
pure insult and speculation.
you know for a fact the people who are trying to defend nightblade class are doing so because you guys keep making false claims.
You do realize that the nerfs are coming, like it or not, right? This isn’t a “pls nurf” thread, this was supposed to be a thread for suggestions on alternate changes that nerf the class but don’t gut it. It’s people like you that turned it into what it is nowz
Please link a dev post about these nerfs, while I don't doubt there will be some where is this proof other than hearsay?
They never done previously until patch notes comes out. NBs never nerfed in the past. If they didnt which is highly unlikely everyone will be NBs in PVP area. ZOs care atleast to save PVP in their game . Already many are making fun of NBs.
Lets play hide and seek with snipes. Lets bomb each other and everyone dies. It will be even more fun.
Let's be unkillable tanks that run around rocks.
Let's hide in towers with our infinite shields up and steal kill.
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Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.
TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.
That is the problem of balance discussions on the forums. You have people with no skill, bad knowledge, bias and bad builds who try to defend things they can't even grasp.
pure insult and speculation.
you know for a fact the people who are trying to defend nightblade class are doing so because you guys keep making false claims.
You do realize that the nerfs are coming, like it or not, right? This isn’t a “pls nurf” thread, this was supposed to be a thread for suggestions on alternate changes that nerf the class but don’t gut it. It’s people like you that turned it into what it is nowz
Please link a dev post about these nerfs, while I don't doubt there will be some where is this proof other than hearsay?
They never done previously until patch notes comes out. NBs never nerfed in the past. If they didnt which is highly unlikely everyone will be NBs in PVP area. ZOs care atleast to save PVP in their game . Already many are making fun of NBs.
Lets play hide and seek with snipes. Lets bomb each other and everyone dies. It will be even more fun.
Let's be unkillable tanks that run around rocks.
Let's hide in towers with our infinite shields up and steal kill.
Yep more fun.
Yes with 70k health we can do it with NB and warden.0 -
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Navam Llervu - Dark Elf Dragonknight
Aniseth - Wood Elf Warden
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✭thankyourat wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.
TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.
LOL. My mainStaticWave wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.
TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.StaticWave wrote: »@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.
TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.
That is the problem of balance discussions on the forums. You have people with no skill, bad knowledge, bias and bad builds who try to defend things they can't even grasp.
That's precisely why I don't take many forumers seriously. All I've seen from these nerf threads are either extreme hyperbole, or just straight up misinformation. I've backed up my argument with facts and videos, but some people still choose to ignore them and stay biased. If a lot of them play on NA PC, chances are I've run into them in cyrodill, whether solo or with a group. It's a shame skilled players that I frequently see in cyrodill don't really go on the forums too often. Their 2-cents weigh a lot more than those of people who act knowledgeable on the forums, but don't have the skills or actual knowledge to back it up.
LOL. NB is overpowered a lot to other classes . Lethal arrow with cloak almost overused in every PVP battles . USe detect pots for NB 35 meters away , without knowing his location. Sorc is not my main, even magicka builds. You completely misinformed. I going to have NB main. You did prove or refute the points except double CC. First prove then speak blah blah . You are very knowledgeable about the game. Come and defeat my argument or just play the tutorials . I am not going to disagree if point is proved. If entire player community including manys pros of the game look the other way, you should provide convincing point to player community. How noobs will argue you know ? By calling all others noob .
Refuse these points : -
1. Critical heal following cloak is not acceptable. Resets fight in 1 second. Aleady many made youtube videos and made a laughing stock.
2. Bomb build is not acceptable. 3 average nightablades destory entire group for 30-50 in 2 seconds. Very good balance. No one can run detection pods with shields all the time.
3. Cloak immediately after lethal arrow is not acceptable. Lethal arrow needs fixes that another topic. Rest is upto specific instances. Ranged attacks greater than 15 M should reveal NB location for 3 seconds. Spamming lethal arrows combined with cloak is not acceptable. Spam lethal arrows with cloak ,
@Minalan just told magicka builds how magicka builds escape from double CCs. That too its very secret build . He just PM. Again he didnt refute other points in convincing way to make NB overpowered .
Nbs are overpowered? Not in the least. Your example with lethal arrow and cloak cannot be used to judge the entire class, since you're specifically talking about the gank playstyle. Many classes outperform Nbs in other builds.
1/ Crit heals in cloak is the only reason Nbs can compete with other stam classes like stamdks, stamwardens, stamsorcs, and stamplars. While cloak can often reset the fight, it is in fact very unreliable if your opponents know how to counter it. Stamsorcs who use hurricane and streak will not let you stay in cloak. Stamdks will use noxious breath and volatile armor to constantly pull you out of stealth. Stamplars will constantly snare you with their passive, then pull you out of cloak with their biting jabs. Stamwardens can sub assault and just face the direction where they think you are. If you are pulled out of cloak, your heals will not crit. If you take away crit heals, then you are forcing Nbs to cloak more, which is what people complain about. They lack the heals that other classes have.
2/ Again, you are talking about a specific playstyle. You can't make a blanket judgement about the class based on a specific build. The main damage skills magblades run to bomb groups are powerful aoes like destro ult, and proxy det. You can pull off the same feat on another magicka class if you run an invisible potion. Nbs just do it better since they have a built in invisibility skill. Moreover, that specific playstyle requires good judgement. Not many people can pull it off, and it certainly does not perform well in other scenarios.
3/ Again, you're talking about a specific playstyle that does not make the entire class overpowered. Sniping builds use cloak as their main defense. I don't need to refute this point because it does not make sense to judge an entire class based on your bad taste with one playstyle.
For your information. Destro ultimate cannot make bomb build even proximity detonation. Players have enough time to escape and pull their shields up and kill you in no time. Only NB can do it with their ultimate which combines with CC. Kill entire group in 2 seconds. No other classes can do it in any way. With destro ultimate cannot CC . You will get killed in no time.
Lethal arrow spam by NB is different from other classes. When NB uses lethal arrow combines with cloak not revealing location, it cannot be countered , when player is 35 meters away. Lethal arrow itself needs fixes increasing channel time or just cannot be spammed or exploited. Either they have to reveal location of player using lethal arrow and cannot cloak for 3 or 2 seconds.
NB lacks the heal other classes have. Its not all classes . Other classes lacks the cloak that NB have. Other classes lack critical heal. Cloak is not the problem here. Critical heal is the problem. Why should NB have critical heal with cloak when other classes can only ordinary heal without cloak ?
Couple of things:- Spamming Lethal Arrow has to be one of the least effective ways of PvP'ing. I don't know how it's even possible to die to Lethal Arrow spam (Asylum combo is a whole another matter).
- Cloaking immediately after Lethal Arrow results in your cloak breaking around one second later as the Lethal Arrow lands. Possibly the worst use of cloak in history.
- Cloak doesn't give you crit heals, not if there's even one DoT on target (such as the Poisoned status effect from those Lethal Arrows). If there's a DoT on target, crit morph of cloak does nothing. Bug documented here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392360/shadowy-disguise-still-bugged
Since you clearly seem to be struggling with the zerg surfing Lethal Arrow spammers, allow me to offer a foolproof way of gathering free AP points:- Dodge Lethal Arrow (or break CC caused by that 5-6k Lethal Arrow from the typical Hundings Rage pro sniper).
- Pay attention & move towards the NB, he'll be spamming those Lethal Arrows because pugs are predictable.
- When in range, use gap closer.
- CC/Ulti.
- Gather AP.
You're welcome.Priyasekarssk wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.
TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.
LOL. My mainStaticWave wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.
TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.StaticWave wrote: »@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.
TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.
That is the problem of balance discussions on the forums. You have people with no skill, bad knowledge, bias and bad builds who try to defend things they can't even grasp.
That's precisely why I don't take many forumers seriously. All I've seen from these nerf threads are either extreme hyperbole, or just straight up misinformation. I've backed up my argument with facts and videos, but some people still choose to ignore them and stay biased. If a lot of them play on NA PC, chances are I've run into them in cyrodill, whether solo or with a group. It's a shame skilled players that I frequently see in cyrodill don't really go on the forums too often. Their 2-cents weigh a lot more than those of people who act knowledgeable on the forums, but don't have the skills or actual knowledge to back it up.
LOL. NB is overpowered a lot to other classes . Lethal arrow with cloak almost overused in every PVP battles . USe detect pots for NB 35 meters away , without knowing his location. Sorc is not my main, even magicka builds. You completely misinformed. I going to have NB main. You did prove or refute the points except double CC. First prove then speak blah blah . You are very knowledgeable about the game. Come and defeat my argument or just play the tutorials . I am not going to disagree if point is proved. If entire player community including manys pros of the game look the other way, you should provide convincing point to player community. How noobs will argue you know ? By calling all others noob .
Refuse these points : -
1. Critical heal following cloak is not acceptable. Resets fight in 1 second. Aleady many made youtube videos and made a laughing stock.
2. Bomb build is not acceptable. 3 average nightablades destory entire group for 30-50 in 2 seconds. Very good balance. No one can run detection pods with shields all the time.
3. Cloak immediately after lethal arrow is not acceptable. Lethal arrow needs fixes that another topic. Rest is upto specific instances. Ranged attacks greater than 15 M should reveal NB location for 3 seconds. Spamming lethal arrows combined with cloak is not acceptable. Spam lethal arrows with cloak ,
@Minalan just told magicka builds how magicka builds escape from double CCs. That too its very secret build . He just PM. Again he didnt refute other points in convincing way to make NB overpowered .
Nbs are overpowered? Not in the least. Your example with lethal arrow and cloak cannot be used to judge the entire class, since you're specifically talking about the gank playstyle. Many classes outperform Nbs in other builds.
1/ Crit heals in cloak is the only reason Nbs can compete with other stam classes like stamdks, stamwardens, stamsorcs, and stamplars. While cloak can often reset the fight, it is in fact very unreliable if your opponents know how to counter it. Stamsorcs who use hurricane and streak will not let you stay in cloak. Stamdks will use noxious breath and volatile armor to constantly pull you out of stealth. Stamplars will constantly snare you with their passive, then pull you out of cloak with their biting jabs. Stamwardens can sub assault and just face the direction where they think you are. If you are pulled out of cloak, your heals will not crit. If you take away crit heals, then you are forcing Nbs to cloak more, which is what people complain about. They lack the heals that other classes have.
2/ Again, you are talking about a specific playstyle. You can't make a blanket judgement about the class based on a specific build. The main damage skills magblades run to bomb groups are powerful aoes like destro ult, and proxy det. You can pull off the same feat on another magicka class if you run an invisible potion. Nbs just do it better since they have a built in invisibility skill. Moreover, that specific playstyle requires good judgement. Not many people can pull it off, and it certainly does not perform well in other scenarios.
3/ Again, you're talking about a specific playstyle that does not make the entire class overpowered. Sniping builds use cloak as their main defense. I don't need to refute this point because it does not make sense to judge an entire class based on your bad taste with one playstyle.
For your information. Destro ultimate cannot make bomb build even proximity detonation. Players have enough time to escape and pull their shields up and kill you in no time. Only NB can do it with their ultimate which combines with CC. Kill entire group in 2 seconds. No other classes can do it in any way. With destro ultimate cannot CC . You will get killed in no time.
Lethal arrow spam by NB is different from other classes. When NB uses lethal arrow combines with cloak not revealing location, it cannot be countered , when player is 35 meters away. Lethal arrow itself needs fixes increasing channel time or just cannot be spammed or exploited. Either they have to reveal location of player using lethal arrow and cannot cloak for 3 or 2 seconds.
NB lacks the heal other classes have. Its not all classes . Other classes lacks the cloak that NB have. Other classes lack critical heal. Cloak is not the problem here. Critical heal is the problem. Why should NB have critical heal with cloak when other classes can only ordinary heal without cloak ?
Couple of things:- Spamming Lethal Arrow has to be one of the least effective ways of PvP'ing. I don't know how it's even possible to die to Lethal Arrow spam (Asylum combo is a whole another matter).
- Cloaking immediately after Lethal Arrow results in your cloak breaking around one second later as the Lethal Arrow lands. Possibly the worst use of cloak in history.
- Cloak doesn't give you crit heals, not if there's even one DoT on target (such as the Poisoned status effect from those Lethal Arrows). If there's a DoT on target, crit morph of cloak does nothing. Bug documented here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392360/shadowy-disguise-still-bugged
Since you clearly seem to be struggling with the zerg surfing Lethal Arrow spammers, allow me to offer a foolproof way of gathering free AP points:- Dodge Lethal Arrow (or break CC caused by that 5-6k Lethal Arrow from the typical Hundings Rage pro sniper).
- Pay attention & move towards the NB, he'll be spamming those Lethal Arrows because pugs are predictable.
- When in range, use gap closer.
- CC/Ulti.
- Gather AP.
You're welcome.
"Since you clearly seem to be struggling with the zerg surfing Lethal Arrow spammers."
'Cloaking immediately after Lethal Arrow results in your cloak breaking around one second later as the Lethal Arrow lands. Possibly the worst use of cloak in history." All you need 2 lethal arrows combined with poison injection with 2 cloaks. Probably its best or worst use. Main problem is locating the enemy. You can run and hide immediately in stealth after CC break. Sometimes you might run into same direction of spammer. 35 M? No gap closer can do that. Either lethal arrow has to be fixed .
Oh yes. Entire community is struggling except heavy armor builds.
No matter who you think you are you don't speak for the whole community.
Doesn't matter the nerfs are coming. We have lots of bad Players crying for nerfs but more importantly the best NBs agree that the class is too strong currently. ZoS always nerfed the FotM after one or two patches.
He might be completely ignorant and exaggerating but he's right
Who are these best nightblades who think the class is op I'm just curious. Because I know plenty of top nightblades Magicka and stamina that I play against on a regular basis and most of us don't believe the class is op. Maybe there are a few really good nightblades who think the class is op but they are in the minority from what I experienced I won't speak for the whole class though, and I'm only speaking for PvP. You may be right there nerfs probably are coming but in reality the only class that underperforms a bit is Stam dk.
@Ragnaroek93, @Subversus , @Derra, @Nafirian are top players on Pc EU, i could add countless people to this list who absolutely dominate PvP on Pc EU. Long time Mains who never played nightblade are switching to the class because it's this strong.
Stamdk underperfoms more than just a bit. When you compare specs to stamnb only magnb and warden can somewhat compete in terms of overall performance, build sacrifices, ease of use, etc.
Other specs s can be strong but they just fail to come close to NB
Stam dk isn't bad though. it's pretty decent with heavy armor. I think the class should get a stamina based class heal and I think the class will be brought up to par with the other classes because this will allow the class to more reliably run forward momentum. The other classes are pretty decent. I main a magblade but will play magsorc also and they seem pretty even in cyrodiil. Magplars will have to be completely reworked before they can get any buffs. The class is basically op at what it does keeping other players alive, but isn't great as a stand alone class. Stamplar is very good and is actually much better than stamblade 1v1 and small group. Wardens maybe the top class overall. Nightblades are best suited for solo open world PvP it would make sense for solo players to switch to the class if they are trying to min/max for solo play. If you play the game differently there's no reason to play a nightblade. The problem is other people think their class should become equal to nightblade for solo PvP, that can't happen without making the game unbalance and the nightblade class irrelevant. Sorcerers are already pretty even with nightblade for open world PvP I think stamblade is better solo than mag sorc (only because stamina is usually faster and easier to build) and mag sorc and Stam sorc are both better than magblade solo. With all 4 being better than the rest of the classes. Besides Stam warden for solo PvP.I'm not convinced any substantial NB nerfs are coming. PTS for Summerset is not far away though, so we'll see soon.
For PvP no nerfs are needed I can play my mag sorc just as effectively as mag blade
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✭✭✭✭Summerset NB changes:
https://alcasthq.com/eso-summerset-isles-changes-pre-pts/Nightblade
Bolstering Darkness
Now applies Major Protection to people who stand in the circle and the effect lasts for another 8 seconds after leaving the circle.
Dark Cloak
This morph was completely changed, this now heals for 33% of your max health.
Strife
Increased the cost to match Force Pulse cost.
Dark Shade
Dark Shades is now Dark Shade, and the shade now applies Minor Maim to all targets in a radius around the shade via a spinning AoE cleave.
I love them nerfs, moar pls ZOS
Seriously though, I think the Dark Cloak change will make non-2H builds perform a lot better since they'll have access to what is sort of an instant heal (not a very strong one, but everything counts when you're stuck with just Vigor). It also helps vs Piercing Mark as you'll now be able to do something with cloak atleast.
Edit: unless they're completely removing the stealth from it, in which case I guess everyone will be stuck with the other, bugged morph.
The only thing I'm a bit worried about is this from the Psijic skill line:Acceleration
This skill is an instant-cast Magicka skill that grants you 3s of Major Expedition and 12s of Minor Force. One morph reduces the cost of Sprint by 50% for 12s, while the other morph becomes a channeled skill, but triples the duration (to 36s).
I'm not sure gank builds needed access to Minor Force, considering the damage they can deal at the moment. We'll have to see what other changes there are I guess.Edited by DDuke on April 3, 2018 3:49PM2 -
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✭✭Okay i thought wrong they actually made nightblades a lot stronger with the announced changes. This will be a fun time in pvp0 -
Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Summerset NB changes:
https://alcasthq.com/eso-summerset-isles-changes-pre-pts/Nightblade
Bolstering Darkness
Now applies Major Protection to people who stand in the circle and the effect lasts for another 8 seconds after leaving the circle.
Dark Cloak
This morph was completely changed, this now heals for 33% of your max health.
Strife
Increased the cost to match Force Pulse cost.
Dark Shade
Dark Shades is now Dark Shade, and the shade now applies Minor Maim to all targets in a radius around the shade via a spinning AoE cleave.
I love them nerfs, moar pls ZOS
Seriously though, I think the Dark Cloak change will make non-2H builds perform a lot better since they'll have access to what is sort of an instant heal (not a very strong one, but everything counts when you're stuck with just Vigor). It also helps vs Piercing Mark as you'll now be able to do something with cloak atleast.
Edit: unless they're completely removing the stealth from it, in which case I guess everyone will be stuck with the other, bugged morph.
The only thing I'm a bit worried about is this from the Psijic skill line:Acceleration
This skill is an instant-cast Magicka skill that grants you 3s of Major Expedition and 12s of Minor Force. One morph reduces the cost of Sprint by 50% for 12s, while the other morph becomes a channeled skill, but triples the duration (to 36s).
I'm not sure gank builds needed access to Minor Force, considering the damage they can deal at the moment. We'll have to see what other changes there are I guess.
This is why I tell people not to ask for nerfs . Wrobel does the opposite and a new problem arises . Never fails . Ask for NB nerf / Templar is nerfed .0 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Summerset NB changes:
https://alcasthq.com/eso-summerset-isles-changes-pre-pts/Nightblade
Bolstering Darkness
Now applies Major Protection to people who stand in the circle and the effect lasts for another 8 seconds after leaving the circle.
Dark Cloak
This morph was completely changed, this now heals for 33% of your max health.
Strife
Increased the cost to match Force Pulse cost.
Dark Shade
Dark Shades is now Dark Shade, and the shade now applies Minor Maim to all targets in a radius around the shade via a spinning AoE cleave.
I love them nerfs, moar pls ZOS
Seriously though, I think the Dark Cloak change will make non-2H builds perform a lot better since they'll have access to what is sort of an instant heal (not a very strong one, but everything counts when you're stuck with just Vigor). It also helps vs Piercing Mark as you'll now be able to do something with cloak atleast.
Edit: unless they're completely removing the stealth from it, in which case I guess everyone will be stuck with the other, bugged morph.
The only thing I'm a bit worried about is this from the Psijic skill line:Acceleration
This skill is an instant-cast Magicka skill that grants you 3s of Major Expedition and 12s of Minor Force. One morph reduces the cost of Sprint by 50% for 12s, while the other morph becomes a channeled skill, but triples the duration (to 36s).
I'm not sure gank builds needed access to Minor Force, considering the damage they can deal at the moment. We'll have to see what other changes there are I guess.
Nightblade did take a huge nerf, empower will no longer increase the damage of your next ability. This cuts the heart out of gank builds that depended on that bonus from mage light.
Instead, empower is a 40% bonus to your next LIGHT ATTACK. I’m not sure you guys just now caught the HUGE stealth Sorc buff here, it’s going to make overload light attacks hit harder than any other single target ultimate in the game. Its also ranged, it’s spammable, and with rune cage you can’t dodge or block it.
Have fun out there boys! I think these changes were just what we needed.1 -
Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Summerset NB changes:
https://alcasthq.com/eso-summerset-isles-changes-pre-pts/Nightblade
Bolstering Darkness
Now applies Major Protection to people who stand in the circle and the effect lasts for another 8 seconds after leaving the circle.
Dark Cloak
This morph was completely changed, this now heals for 33% of your max health.
Strife
Increased the cost to match Force Pulse cost.
Dark Shade
Dark Shades is now Dark Shade, and the shade now applies Minor Maim to all targets in a radius around the shade via a spinning AoE cleave.
I love them nerfs, moar pls ZOS
Seriously though, I think the Dark Cloak change will make non-2H builds perform a lot better since they'll have access to what is sort of an instant heal (not a very strong one, but everything counts when you're stuck with just Vigor). It also helps vs Piercing Mark as you'll now be able to do something with cloak atleast.
Edit: unless they're completely removing the stealth from it, in which case I guess everyone will be stuck with the other, bugged morph.
The only thing I'm a bit worried about is this from the Psijic skill line:Acceleration
This skill is an instant-cast Magicka skill that grants you 3s of Major Expedition and 12s of Minor Force. One morph reduces the cost of Sprint by 50% for 12s, while the other morph becomes a channeled skill, but triples the duration (to 36s).
I'm not sure gank builds needed access to Minor Force, considering the damage they can deal at the moment. We'll have to see what other changes there are I guess.
Nightblade did take a huge nerf, empower will no longer increase the damage of your next ability. This cuts the heart out of gank builds that depended on that bonus from mage light.
Instead, empower is a 40% bonus to your next LIGHT ATTACK. I’m not sure you guys just now caught the HUGE stealth Sorc buff here, it’s going to make overload light attacks hit harder than any other single target ultimate in the game. Its also ranged, it’s spammable, and with rune cage you can’t dodge or block it.
Have fun out there boys! I think these changes were just what we needed.
LOL Button please .
That's a nerf to everyone .0 -
BigBadVolk✭✭✭✭✭Summerset NB changes:
https://alcasthq.com/eso-summerset-isles-changes-pre-pts/Nightblade
Bolstering Darkness
Now applies Major Protection to people who stand in the circle and the effect lasts for another 8 seconds after leaving the circle.
Dark Cloak
This morph was completely changed, this now heals for 33% of your max health.
Strife
Increased the cost to match Force Pulse cost.
Dark Shade
Dark Shades is now Dark Shade, and the shade now applies Minor Maim to all targets in a radius around the shade via a spinning AoE cleave.
I love them nerfs, moar pls ZOS
Seriously though, I think the Dark Cloak change will make non-2H builds perform a lot better since they'll have access to what is sort of an instant heal (not a very strong one, but everything counts when you're stuck with just Vigor). It also helps vs Piercing Mark as you'll now be able to do something with cloak atleast.
Edit: unless they're completely removing the stealth from it, in which case I guess everyone will be stuck with the other, bugged morph.
The only thing I'm a bit worried about is this from the Psijic skill line:Acceleration
This skill is an instant-cast Magicka skill that grants you 3s of Major Expedition and 12s of Minor Force. One morph reduces the cost of Sprint by 50% for 12s, while the other morph becomes a channeled skill, but triples the duration (to 36s).
I'm not sure gank builds needed access to Minor Force, considering the damage they can deal at the moment. We'll have to see what other changes there are I guess.
also count in that skill will be good for bomb blades too now that the inner light empower was changed (If I remember right)"The ass is similar to the opinion: Everyone has it, but no one cares about the others!"
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Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Summerset NB changes:
https://alcasthq.com/eso-summerset-isles-changes-pre-pts/Nightblade
Bolstering Darkness
Now applies Major Protection to people who stand in the circle and the effect lasts for another 8 seconds after leaving the circle.
Dark Cloak
This morph was completely changed, this now heals for 33% of your max health.
Strife
Increased the cost to match Force Pulse cost.
Dark Shade
Dark Shades is now Dark Shade, and the shade now applies Minor Maim to all targets in a radius around the shade via a spinning AoE cleave.
I love them nerfs, moar pls ZOS
Seriously though, I think the Dark Cloak change will make non-2H builds perform a lot better since they'll have access to what is sort of an instant heal (not a very strong one, but everything counts when you're stuck with just Vigor). It also helps vs Piercing Mark as you'll now be able to do something with cloak atleast.
Edit: unless they're completely removing the stealth from it, in which case I guess everyone will be stuck with the other, bugged morph.
The only thing I'm a bit worried about is this from the Psijic skill line:Acceleration
This skill is an instant-cast Magicka skill that grants you 3s of Major Expedition and 12s of Minor Force. One morph reduces the cost of Sprint by 50% for 12s, while the other morph becomes a channeled skill, but triples the duration (to 36s).
I'm not sure gank builds needed access to Minor Force, considering the damage they can deal at the moment. We'll have to see what other changes there are I guess.
Nightblade did take a huge nerf, empower will no longer increase the damage of your next ability. This cuts the heart out of gank builds that depended on that bonus from mage light.
Instead, empower is a 40% bonus to your next LIGHT ATTACK. I’m not sure you guys just now caught the HUGE stealth Sorc buff here, it’s going to make overload light attacks hit harder than any other single target ultimate in the game. Its also ranged, it’s spammable, and with rune cage you can’t dodge or block it.
Have fun out there boys! I think these changes were just what we needed.
LOL Button please .
That's a nerf to everyone .
Come on Roe, don’t be a jerk. You know as well as I do that mage light is the staple of every two-bit nightblade gank build ever made. This means that stealth alpha strikes are taking a 20% hit, and nobody is going to be hitting those astronomical snipe numbers anymore.
Overload however is going to be absolute insanity when empowered...
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OdinForge✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Summerset NB changes:
https://alcasthq.com/eso-summerset-isles-changes-pre-pts/Nightblade
Bolstering Darkness
Now applies Major Protection to people who stand in the circle and the effect lasts for another 8 seconds after leaving the circle.
Dark Cloak
This morph was completely changed, this now heals for 33% of your max health.
Strife
Increased the cost to match Force Pulse cost.
Dark Shade
Dark Shades is now Dark Shade, and the shade now applies Minor Maim to all targets in a radius around the shade via a spinning AoE cleave.
I love them nerfs, moar pls ZOS
Seriously though, I think the Dark Cloak change will make non-2H builds perform a lot better since they'll have access to what is sort of an instant heal (not a very strong one, but everything counts when you're stuck with just Vigor). It also helps vs Piercing Mark as you'll now be able to do something with cloak atleast.
Edit: unless they're completely removing the stealth from it, in which case I guess everyone will be stuck with the other, bugged morph.
The only thing I'm a bit worried about is this from the Psijic skill line:Acceleration
This skill is an instant-cast Magicka skill that grants you 3s of Major Expedition and 12s of Minor Force. One morph reduces the cost of Sprint by 50% for 12s, while the other morph becomes a channeled skill, but triples the duration (to 36s).
I'm not sure gank builds needed access to Minor Force, considering the damage they can deal at the moment. We'll have to see what other changes there are I guess.
Nightblade did take a huge nerf, empower will no longer increase the damage of your next ability. This cuts the heart out of gank builds that depended on that bonus from mage light.
Instead, empower is a 40% bonus to your next LIGHT ATTACK. I’m not sure you guys just now caught the HUGE stealth Sorc buff here, it’s going to make overload light attacks hit harder than any other single target ultimate in the game. Its also ranged, it’s spammable, and with rune cage you can’t dodge or block it.
Have fun out there boys! I think these changes were just what we needed.
LOL Button please .
That's a nerf to everyone .
Come on Roe, don’t be a jerk. You know as well as I do that mage light is the staple of every two-bit nightblade gank build ever made. This means that stealth alpha strikes are taking a 20% hit, and nobody is going to be hitting those astronomical snipe numbers anymore.
Overload however is going to be absolute insanity when empowered...
Maybe you should watch Dukes recent gank videos.The Age of Wrobel.1 -
Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Summerset NB changes:
https://alcasthq.com/eso-summerset-isles-changes-pre-pts/Nightblade
Bolstering Darkness
Now applies Major Protection to people who stand in the circle and the effect lasts for another 8 seconds after leaving the circle.
Dark Cloak
This morph was completely changed, this now heals for 33% of your max health.
Strife
Increased the cost to match Force Pulse cost.
Dark Shade
Dark Shades is now Dark Shade, and the shade now applies Minor Maim to all targets in a radius around the shade via a spinning AoE cleave.
I love them nerfs, moar pls ZOS
Seriously though, I think the Dark Cloak change will make non-2H builds perform a lot better since they'll have access to what is sort of an instant heal (not a very strong one, but everything counts when you're stuck with just Vigor). It also helps vs Piercing Mark as you'll now be able to do something with cloak atleast.
Edit: unless they're completely removing the stealth from it, in which case I guess everyone will be stuck with the other, bugged morph.
The only thing I'm a bit worried about is this from the Psijic skill line:Acceleration
This skill is an instant-cast Magicka skill that grants you 3s of Major Expedition and 12s of Minor Force. One morph reduces the cost of Sprint by 50% for 12s, while the other morph becomes a channeled skill, but triples the duration (to 36s).
I'm not sure gank builds needed access to Minor Force, considering the damage they can deal at the moment. We'll have to see what other changes there are I guess.
Nightblade did take a huge nerf, empower will no longer increase the damage of your next ability. This cuts the heart out of gank builds that depended on that bonus from mage light.
Instead, empower is a 40% bonus to your next LIGHT ATTACK. I’m not sure you guys just now caught the HUGE stealth Sorc buff here, it’s going to make overload light attacks hit harder than any other single target ultimate in the game. Its also ranged, it’s spammable, and with rune cage you can’t dodge or block it.
Have fun out there boys! I think these changes were just what we needed.
LOL Button please .
That's a nerf to everyone .
Come on Roe, don’t be a jerk. You know as well as I do that mage light is the staple of every two-bit nightblade gank build ever made. This means that stealth alpha strikes are taking a 20% hit, and nobody is going to be hitting those astronomical snipe numbers anymore.
Overload however is going to be absolute insanity when empowered...
It's a staple of my Templar build as well and my Sorc . Yes a bomblade will suffer and a bow ganker will suffer but so will every burst damage build that uses empower on every class . The LOL was not directed at you fellow player but at the news of this . Empower just lost pvp appeal and I don't see a reason for PvE use now really . Very unsettling change by Wrobel . More abilities being nerfed pinches the meta into a smaller corner . That is bad for diversity and all classes will suffer this in some way .0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Summerset NB changes:
https://alcasthq.com/eso-summerset-isles-changes-pre-pts/Nightblade
Bolstering Darkness
Now applies Major Protection to people who stand in the circle and the effect lasts for another 8 seconds after leaving the circle.
Dark Cloak
This morph was completely changed, this now heals for 33% of your max health.
Strife
Increased the cost to match Force Pulse cost.
Dark Shade
Dark Shades is now Dark Shade, and the shade now applies Minor Maim to all targets in a radius around the shade via a spinning AoE cleave.
I love them nerfs, moar pls ZOS
Seriously though, I think the Dark Cloak change will make non-2H builds perform a lot better since they'll have access to what is sort of an instant heal (not a very strong one, but everything counts when you're stuck with just Vigor). It also helps vs Piercing Mark as you'll now be able to do something with cloak atleast.
Edit: unless they're completely removing the stealth from it, in which case I guess everyone will be stuck with the other, bugged morph.
The only thing I'm a bit worried about is this from the Psijic skill line:Acceleration
This skill is an instant-cast Magicka skill that grants you 3s of Major Expedition and 12s of Minor Force. One morph reduces the cost of Sprint by 50% for 12s, while the other morph becomes a channeled skill, but triples the duration (to 36s).
I'm not sure gank builds needed access to Minor Force, considering the damage they can deal at the moment. We'll have to see what other changes there are I guess.
Nightblade did take a huge nerf, empower will no longer increase the damage of your next ability. This cuts the heart out of gank builds that depended on that bonus from mage light.
Instead, empower is a 40% bonus to your next LIGHT ATTACK. I’m not sure you guys just now caught the HUGE stealth Sorc buff here, it’s going to make overload light attacks hit harder than any other single target ultimate in the game. Its also ranged, it’s spammable, and with rune cage you can’t dodge or block it.
Have fun out there boys! I think these changes were just what we needed.
LOL Button please .
That's a nerf to everyone .
Come on Roe, don’t be a jerk. You know as well as I do that mage light is the staple of every two-bit nightblade gank build ever made. This means that stealth alpha strikes are taking a 20% hit, and nobody is going to be hitting those astronomical snipe numbers anymore.
Overload however is going to be absolute insanity when empowered...
I heard it 2 ways on empower. One write up said that its now 40% and only applies to light attacks. The other says it just now only applies to activated abilities so its not wasted on light attacks.
If its the former; LOL! Wasn't Blobs at this gathering? Thought he was, and being the at least most public player to present that build, you would think hed mention this issue.0 -
IAVITNI✭✭✭✭✭StaticWave wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.
TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.
LOL. My mainStaticWave wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.
TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.StaticWave wrote: »@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.
TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.
That is the problem of balance discussions on the forums. You have people with no skill, bad knowledge, bias and bad builds who try to defend things they can't even grasp.
That's precisely why I don't take many forumers seriously. All I've seen from these nerf threads are either extreme hyperbole, or just straight up misinformation. I've backed up my argument with facts and videos, but some people still choose to ignore them and stay biased. If a lot of them play on NA PC, chances are I've run into them in cyrodill, whether solo or with a group. It's a shame skilled players that I frequently see in cyrodill don't really go on the forums too often. Their 2-cents weigh a lot more than those of people who act knowledgeable on the forums, but don't have the skills or actual knowledge to back it up.
LOL. NB is overpowered a lot to other classes . Lethal arrow with cloak almost overused in every PVP battles . USe detect pots for NB 35 meters away , without knowing his location. Sorc is not my main, even magicka builds. You completely misinformed. I going to have NB main. You did prove or refute the points except double CC. First prove then speak blah blah . You are very knowledgeable about the game. Come and defeat my argument or just play the tutorials . I am not going to disagree if point is proved. If entire player community including manys pros of the game look the other way, you should provide convincing point to player community. How noobs will argue you know ? By calling all others noob .
Refuse these points : -
1. Critical heal following cloak is not acceptable. Resets fight in 1 second. Aleady many made youtube videos and made a laughing stock.
2. Bomb build is not acceptable. 3 average nightablades destory entire group for 30-50 in 2 seconds. Very good balance. No one can run detection pods with shields all the time.
3. Cloak immediately after lethal arrow is not acceptable. Lethal arrow needs fixes that another topic. Rest is upto specific instances. Ranged attacks greater than 15 M should reveal NB location for 3 seconds. Spamming lethal arrows combined with cloak is not acceptable. Spam lethal arrows with cloak ,
@Minalan just told magicka builds how magicka builds escape from double CCs. That too its very secret build . He just PM. Again he didnt refute other points in convincing way to make NB overpowered .
Nbs are overpowered? Not in the least. Your example with lethal arrow and cloak cannot be used to judge the entire class, since you're specifically talking about the gank playstyle. Many classes outperform Nbs in other builds.
1/ Crit heals in cloak is the only reason Nbs can compete with other stam classes like stamdks, stamwardens, stamsorcs, and stamplars. While cloak can often reset the fight, it is in fact very unreliable if your opponents know how to counter it. Stamsorcs who use hurricane and streak will not let you stay in cloak. Stamdks will use noxious breath and volatile armor to constantly pull you out of stealth. Stamplars will constantly snare you with their passive, then pull you out of cloak with their biting jabs. Stamwardens can sub assault and just face the direction where they think you are. If you are pulled out of cloak, your heals will not crit. If you take away crit heals, then you are forcing Nbs to cloak more, which is what people complain about. They lack the heals that other classes have.
2/ Again, you are talking about a specific playstyle. You can't make a blanket judgement about the class based on a specific build. The main damage skills magblades run to bomb groups are powerful aoes like destro ult, and proxy det. You can pull off the same feat on another magicka class if you run an invisible potion. Nbs just do it better since they have a built in invisibility skill. Moreover, that specific playstyle requires good judgement. Not many people can pull it off, and it certainly does not perform well in other scenarios.
3/ Again, you're talking about a specific playstyle that does not make the entire class overpowered. Sniping builds use cloak as their main defense. I don't need to refute this point because it does not make sense to judge an entire class based on your bad taste with one playstyle.
For your information. Destro ultimate cannot make bomb build even proximity detonation. Players have enough time to escape and pull their shields up and kill you in no time. Only NB can do it with their ultimate which combines with CC. Kill entire group in 2 seconds. No other classes can do it in any way. With destro ultimate cannot CC . You will get killed in no time.
Lethal arrow spam by NB is different from other classes. When NB uses lethal arrow combines with cloak not revealing location, it cannot be countered , when player is 35 meters away. Lethal arrow itself needs fixes increasing channel time or just cannot be spammed or exploited. Either they have to reveal location of player using lethal arrow and cannot cloak for 3 or 2 seconds.
NB lacks the heal other classes have. Its not all classes . Other classes lacks the cloak that NB have. Other classes lack critical heal. Cloak is not the problem here. Critical heal is the problem. Why should NB have critical heal with cloak when other classes can only ordinary heal without cloak ?
Your argument makes no sense. What does cloak have to do with heals? Stamblades only have 2 heals and no passives that buff healing. All other classes either have passives that buff healing, or an extra healing skill. For instance, stamplars have minor mending. Stamdks have major mending, green dragon blood. Stamsorcs have darkdeal and crit surge. Stamwardens are a healing powerhouse with soothing spores, leeching vines, major mending, etc. What about stamblades? They have vigor and rally, which can be used by any classes. They have siphoning attacks, which only heals for 750hp per light attack. Most stamblades don't even run that skill.
"Other classes lack critical heal"...??? Please point out to me where you got this info from, because it's absolutely ridiculous. Crit heal isnt tied to Nbs. Any class can crit heal if they have enough crit %. If you crit heal with major mending buff, you'll heal for a crap ton more. Nbs don't have any buffs, so why do you want to take that away from them when it's their only way to compete with other classes in survivability? You take that away, and they are forced to stay in stealth. Then you'll complain about cloak.
General consensus is that Stam Sorcs have the worst healing. I've played every stam class PvP solo and pulled off at least a 1v3 vs competent players (know how to not die) on all of them and Stam Sorc healing is by far the worse. If you think Dark Deal is a reliable heal consider it the stam version of Magplars Healing Ritual that everyone agrees is trash. It's really unreliable, niche and used primarily for stam regen. Crit Surge is only good in heavily outnumbered fights. Most stam sorcs either don't run it or keep it on their overload bar as the healing it provides isn't worth it's opportunity cost. I did run it on my stam sorc btw. Took it off and barely noticed a difference and I was running a crit based build.
BTW, Nightblades actually do have increased healing passives they just don't need to use them because Shadowy Disguise heals are that strong. Siphoning Strikes is much more useful and more used than Crit Surge. Maybe not in terms of healing (I haven't done the math but consider that average weapon crit is around 44% in Cyrodil whereas Siphoning is guaranteed so I'd say they are pretty even) but the stamina return is huge whereas crit surge gives Major Brutality which you get from Rally anyways. Nightblades also have access to Minor Vitality. You're right that other classes have other sources of healing besides Vigor and Rally, but you conveniently neglect to mention that they require these extra heals to be competitive.
Put another way, a stamblade ONLY needs Vigor and Rally. Yet;
stamDKs ONLY activate Igneous Shield to proc Major Mending on top of Vigor and Rally/FM,
Stamsorcs ONLY slot Crit Surge for extra heals on top of Vigor and Rally/FM,
Stamplar healing options (skill wise) is actually pretty bad and is more gear/cp/player skill dependant,
Stamdens...no comment.
DKs and Sorcs need to slot minimum 1 additional skill dedicated solely to healing in order to survive.
Meanwhile NBs only need Vigor and Rally because 100% crit heals while cloaked is competitive with what other classes have except stamblades don't need to sacrifice a skill slot to increase their healing. It's just icing on the cake and gives medium armor stamblades heavy armor healing.
That said I really don't care that stamblades can 100% crit their heals. You just conveniently ignore the fact that NB healing is very strong and they don't even need to spec for it which is the kind of thing OP wants to avoid.
*This is all assuming no Troll King
You underestimate how much healing a stamsorc can have. Darkdeal gives 4.2k hp per cast. Combine that with 1.5k you get from crit surge, it's going to give you a lot of heals. Stamsorc heals aren't weak. It's the defile that really screws them up since they can't nullify it with major mending or purge it with ritual. When you slap on impreg and run duelwield, they are a formidable opponent.
That is precisely my point. Nbs don't have an extra healing skill, so that's why they need the crit heals to stay competitive. Increased healing passives come from the siphoning skill line, but you need to slot a skill from that line to get the passive. As far as I know most stamblades don't use any skills from it. Siphoning strikes will never be as good as crit surge because you have to be actively light attacking your target, whereas crit surge proc off of any dmg you do as long as it's crit. When you have dmg stacking from multiple sources, the chance to crit increases.
You seem to forget that Nbs need to slot cloak to get that 100% crit heals. So essentially, they're sacrificing one slot to compete with other classes in healing. That is no different than sorcs slotting crit surge and dks slotting igneous. I really hate fighting good stam dks that use s/b, because whenever they're low hp, they turtle up and vigor/rally to full. But for nbs all you have to do is break their cloak and those crit heals won't be 100%.
I don't THINK I'm underestimating the STRENGTH of stam sorc heals,just the viability of it accross all situations. Dark Dealing isn't something you want to do in the middle of a fight, especially in a 1vx. It's a strong skill yes, but highly situational as a heal. Mind you, I haven't played much of Dragon Bones so I haven't experienced the bash-immune Dark Deal plays.
And no I didn't forget that nbs need to slot cloak to get the heals. You're 100% correct that it has to be on the bar but that wasn't the point I was trying to get across. Igneous and Crit Surge are slotted 100% only for the heal factor. Same isn't true for Cloak. They are not "sacrificing" a slot to heal as most stamblades are going to slot Cloak regardless of if they even know it synergizes with heals or not (I definitely did). They are getting Heavy Armor level heals as a bonus to a skill that earns its slot space before even considering its added healing. The skill is simply overloaded in the same way that Crystal Fragments was overloaded when it had its stun.
The opportunity costs of slotting Shadowy Disguise vs slotting Igneous Shield/Crit Surge are miles apart. Other classes need to make an actual sacrifice to get better heals. Stamblades currently do not.0 -
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This will only hit magnb while stamnb got a massive buff with shadow image.
That's an absolutely insane buff.
I assume the Shadow Image does not attack until you enter combat and it sits idle, like Sorc pets? Thus you can drop it and perform a gank without your Image dealing damage and alerting them to your presence unless they are looking directly at it.
Also, you can drop an Image behind an obstacle, cloak around, try a gank.... and if it fails you just TP out of sight and out of LOS and no-one even knows where your Image is.
Wow. Just wow.
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✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Summerset NB changes:
https://alcasthq.com/eso-summerset-isles-changes-pre-pts/Nightblade
Bolstering Darkness
Now applies Major Protection to people who stand in the circle and the effect lasts for another 8 seconds after leaving the circle.
Dark Cloak
This morph was completely changed, this now heals for 33% of your max health.
Strife
Increased the cost to match Force Pulse cost.
Dark Shade
Dark Shades is now Dark Shade, and the shade now applies Minor Maim to all targets in a radius around the shade via a spinning AoE cleave.
I love them nerfs, moar pls ZOS
Seriously though, I think the Dark Cloak change will make non-2H builds perform a lot better since they'll have access to what is sort of an instant heal (not a very strong one, but everything counts when you're stuck with just Vigor). It also helps vs Piercing Mark as you'll now be able to do something with cloak atleast.
Edit: unless they're completely removing the stealth from it, in which case I guess everyone will be stuck with the other, bugged morph.
The only thing I'm a bit worried about is this from the Psijic skill line:Acceleration
This skill is an instant-cast Magicka skill that grants you 3s of Major Expedition and 12s of Minor Force. One morph reduces the cost of Sprint by 50% for 12s, while the other morph becomes a channeled skill, but triples the duration (to 36s).
I'm not sure gank builds needed access to Minor Force, considering the damage they can deal at the moment. We'll have to see what other changes there are I guess.
Nightblade did take a huge nerf, empower will no longer increase the damage of your next ability. This cuts the heart out of gank builds that depended on that bonus from mage light.
Instead, empower is a 40% bonus to your next LIGHT ATTACK. I’m not sure you guys just now caught the HUGE stealth Sorc buff here, it’s going to make overload light attacks hit harder than any other single target ultimate in the game. Its also ranged, it’s spammable, and with rune cage you can’t dodge or block it.
Have fun out there boys! I think these changes were just what we needed.
LOL Button please .
That's a nerf to everyone .
Come on Roe, don’t be a jerk. You know as well as I do that mage light is the staple of every two-bit nightblade gank build ever made. This means that stealth alpha strikes are taking a 20% hit, and nobody is going to be hitting those astronomical snipe numbers anymore.
Overload however is going to be absolute insanity when empowered...
It's a staple of my Templar build as well and my Sorc . Yes a bomblade will suffer and a bow ganker will suffer but so will every burst damage build that uses empower on every class . The LOL was not directed at you fellow player but at the news of this . Empower just lost pvp appeal and I don't see a reason for PvE use now really . Very unsettling change by Wrobel . More abilities being nerfed pinches the meta into a smaller corner . That is bad for diversity and all classes will suffer this in some way .
Only the 40m snipe spam & snipe->medium weave+PI "gankers" are affected by the Empower change.
Asylum Bow builds are actually buffed, since previously that Empower would empower your Light Attack or Bombard (those land before Lethal Arrow on Asylum build). Now if you manage to find a slot for Radiant Magelight you can get a little bit more damage than before since it's 40% on the light attack.
What I'm worried about is the potential of getting Minor Force. This'll obviously be deadly on Asylum builds (which are already deadly enough), but worst case scenario is that it'll allow really one shotting people with the 40m+ snipe spam builds as well (also with bows counting as two set pieces unlocks some extra damage for those builds).
We'll see though, Empower change certainly makes those builds a bit weaker as well.0 -
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MalakithAlamahdi✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Summerset NB changes:
https://alcasthq.com/eso-summerset-isles-changes-pre-pts/Nightblade
Bolstering Darkness
Now applies Major Protection to people who stand in the circle and the effect lasts for another 8 seconds after leaving the circle.
Dark Cloak
This morph was completely changed, this now heals for 33% of your max health.
Strife
Increased the cost to match Force Pulse cost.
Dark Shade
Dark Shades is now Dark Shade, and the shade now applies Minor Maim to all targets in a radius around the shade via a spinning AoE cleave.
I love them nerfs, moar pls ZOS
Seriously though, I think the Dark Cloak change will make non-2H builds perform a lot better since they'll have access to what is sort of an instant heal (not a very strong one, but everything counts when you're stuck with just Vigor). It also helps vs Piercing Mark as you'll now be able to do something with cloak atleast.
Edit: unless they're completely removing the stealth from it, in which case I guess everyone will be stuck with the other, bugged morph.
The only thing I'm a bit worried about is this from the Psijic skill line:Acceleration
This skill is an instant-cast Magicka skill that grants you 3s of Major Expedition and 12s of Minor Force. One morph reduces the cost of Sprint by 50% for 12s, while the other morph becomes a channeled skill, but triples the duration (to 36s).
I'm not sure gank builds needed access to Minor Force, considering the damage they can deal at the moment. We'll have to see what other changes there are I guess.
Nightblade did take a huge nerf, empower will no longer increase the damage of your next ability. This cuts the heart out of gank builds that depended on that bonus from mage light.
Instead, empower is a 40% bonus to your next LIGHT ATTACK. I’m not sure you guys just now caught the HUGE stealth Sorc buff here, it’s going to make overload light attacks hit harder than any other single target ultimate in the game. Its also ranged, it’s spammable, and with rune cage you can’t dodge or block it.
Have fun out there boys! I think these changes were just what we needed.
LOL Button please .
That's a nerf to everyone .
Come on Roe, don’t be a jerk. You know as well as I do that mage light is the staple of every two-bit nightblade gank build ever made. This means that stealth alpha strikes are taking a 20% hit, and nobody is going to be hitting those astronomical snipe numbers anymore.
Overload however is going to be absolute insanity when empowered...
Just reflect the overloads and make the sorcs oneshot themselves. It'll be funny.0 -
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