Zos wants to remove the ONLY stun from Warden's kit

SanTii.92 · April 2018

Apparently, Zos is looking into removing the stun from Deep Fissure. So yeah, is this for real? They want to remove the only stun from the warden's kit? So, ok let me just say that this is, quite literally, the single most stupid change possibly done. Like, isn't there at Zos anyone left that understands the most basic pvp principles, like stuns are just mandatory. There are no replacements, there is no way around it, that's just how this game works. You need stuns to pvp. If you want to pvp you just need stuns. ok?

I imagine that Zos will eventually come around while we test this, and revert the change, but they even considering this a possible change is simply baffling.

Lynx7386 · April 2018

Depends on what they're replacing it with

Koolio · April 2018

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Depends on what they're replacing it with

Major Breach

Lynx7386 · April 2018

Koolio wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Depends on what they're replacing it with

Major Breach

Is this effecting sub assault? That one already provides breach and fracture. Hope they don't nerf it, that's a staple for warden tanking...

DocFrost72 · April 2018

Flame reach tho

casparian · April 2018

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Depends on what they're replacing it with

Major Breach

Is this effecting sub assault? That one already provides breach and fracture. Hope they don't nerf it, that's a staple for warden tanking...

Sub Assault will now only provide fracture.

Lynx7386 · April 2018

casparian wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Depends on what they're replacing it with

Major Breach

Is this effecting sub assault? That one already provides breach and fracture. Hope they don't nerf it, that's a staple for warden tanking...

Sub Assault will now only provide fracture.

Well *** me sideways, that is a huge nerf to warden tanking

casparian · April 2018

Lynx7386 wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Depends on what they're replacing it with

Major Breach

Is this effecting sub assault? That one already provides breach and fracture. Hope they don't nerf it, that's a staple for warden tanking...

Sub Assault will now only provide fracture.

Well *** me sideways, that is a huge nerf to warden tanking

Why? Did you not use Puncture?

Cadbury · April 2018

Guess they listened to the cries of "Warden is OP!"

Well played, ZOS

DocFrost72 · April 2018

@Lynx7386 The good news is with the change to polar wind (now 30 instant, additional 10 over time) we got a biiiig buff.

Joy_Division · April 2018

Terrible change. Class isn't very good at all and they nerf it further.

xaraan · April 2018

I'm ok with this on my MagWarden. I'd rather have the armor pen they are adding and see the stun that sometimes is moderately almost useful gone (and see it not being exploited by players in pvp not even in the fight casting it on other levels of buildings and knocking people down).

Lynx7386 · April 2018

casparian wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Depends on what they're replacing it with

Major Breach

Is this effecting sub assault? That one already provides breach and fracture. Hope they don't nerf it, that's a staple for warden tanking...

Sub Assault will now only provide fracture.

Well *** me sideways, that is a huge nerf to warden tanking

Why? Did you not use Puncture?

Aoe packs my man. Better to root and hit sub assault once than to run around spamming the *** out of pierce.

Lynx7386 · April 2018

DocFrost72 wrote: »

@Lynx7386 The good news is with the change to polar wind (now 30 instant, additional 10 over time) we got a biiiig buff.

I suppose that's good, is that change to both morphs or only polar? I would hate to lose my extra aoe chill chance

Namarkas · April 2018

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Flame reach tho

But what about my frost pvp build that is super fun?

Koolio · April 2018

xaraan wrote: »

I'm ok with this on my MagWarden. I'd rather have the armor pen they are adding and see the stun that sometimes is moderately almost useful gone (and see it not being exploited by players in pvp not even in the fight casting it on other levels of buildings and knocking people down).

Streak still stuns 6 people through the floor
Destro ult still goes through floors walls
Permafrost still goes through walls
Radiant Magelight still goes through floors

All are “exploits”?

DocFrost72 · April 2018

Namarkas wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Flame reach tho

But what about my frost pvp build that is super fun?

Frost reach

Namarkas · April 2018

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Frost reach

does not stun, it roots, that is kinda the point

Joy_Division · April 2018

Namarkas wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Flame reach tho

But what about my frost pvp build that is super fun?

It's aint going to be fun next patch.

We templars joke that our class doesn't have any CCs. How sad that's literally the case for Wardens.

IV_Deity · April 2018

Sucks if they go through with this. I noticed once I went from Magicka to Stamina Warden, the stun was not on the stamina version (would've been nice

). Having experience with Magicka as well, the stun was quite useful. I don't see the need for change.

SanTii.92 · April 2018

Joy_Division wrote: »

Namarkas wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Flame reach tho

But what about my frost pvp build that is super fun?

It's aint going to be fun next patch.

We templars joke that our class doesn't have any CCs. How sad that's literally the case for Wardens.

So we now got a class with no gap closers, no hard Cc's and no snares other than an aoe ground based one and an ulti rofl.

AverageJo3Gam3r · April 2018

Did you read the entire reveals? Wardens are getting another few sources of ult gain on top of already strong ult gain. DBoS will practically become a spammable for wardens and comes with a built-in stun.

Also: permafrost

Joy_Division · April 2018

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Namarkas wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Flame reach tho

But what about my frost pvp build that is super fun?

It's aint going to be fun next patch.

We templars joke that our class doesn't have any CCs. How sad that's literally the case for Wardens.

So we now got a class with no gap closers, no hard Cc's and no snares other than an aoe ground based one and an ulti rofl.

Pretty much. Add "easily avoidable damage" to that list.

Namarkas · April 2018

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

Did you read the entire reveals? Wardens are getting another few sources of ult gain on top of already strong ult gain. DBoS will practically become a spammable for wardens and comes with a built-in stun.

Also: permafrost

I saw only the changes to Nature's grasp, where you have to decide which "ultimate buff" you want, while shimmering shield cost's got increased. Grasp is situational at best, only usable if there is somebody else to use it on, quite expensive too. The stun on Deep Fissure is quite handy for magwardens (as this is the magicka morph). And an ultimate stun is simply not the same.

Luckylancer · April 2018

Magwarden(pvp) got another big hit. They were weak before and now it is worse.

Shield's mana increase is good, it is nerf to stam wardens but ZOS didnt give any usefull stuff to magwarden.

Bursting vine's ult gain is good for healers but thats all. Dds wont use it on pvp.

Maulkin · April 2018

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Aoe packs my man. Better to root and hit sub assault once than to run around spamming the *** out of pierce.

Nowhere near that important for all existing trials though. And trash packs in vet dungeons get killed so quick that it's non-issue.

Mountain out of a molehill

Reverb · April 2018

Removing your stun? We call that "Templar-izing" your Warden. Major Mending will be next to go, if history tracks.

Ron_Burgundy_79 · April 2018

Joy_Division wrote: »

Namarkas wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Flame reach tho

But what about my frost pvp build that is super fun?

It's aint going to be fun next patch.

We templars joke that our class doesn't have any CCs. How sad that's literally the case for Wardens.

Pretty sure we've been through this change a couple times already with blazing spear and crystal frag. RIP magwarden in pvp for at least the next few patches.

Vaoh · April 2018

Literally zero surprise in this. Nerf Warden QQ all over the Forums. It was expected though still sad (yet hilarious) to see now that Warden has zero CCs

how does ZOS look at this and think it’s okay.

Unfortunately Arctic Blast is still a useless tank morph rather than a Magicka-based single target Cold DoT like it should be (from Morrowind’s trailer). They could even add a good CC to it and fix Mag Warden just like that.

On a side note, it would be very good if Subterranean Assault provided Major and Minor Fracture. Likewise Deep Fissure could provide Major and Minor Breach. They’d possibly see some use in trials.

Waffennacht · April 2018

I was using accelerated Drain so I could land my fissure...

And WTF are you using to take advantage of the stun from fissure? Pulse? You're sad you're losing a follow up Pulse for a powerful d buff?

The stun was at the worst most awkward time for a warden burst. If you had an execute it would be one thing, it's hardly a loss at all

Ron_Burgundy_79 · April 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

I was using accelerated Drain so I could land my fissure...

And WTF are you using to take advantage of the stun from fissure? Pulse? You're sad you're losing a follow up Pulse for a powerful d buff?

The stun was at the worst most awkward time for a warden burst. If you had an execute it would be one thing, it's hardly a loss at all

Light attack - fissure - light attack - cliff racer - light attack - force pulse

That's all I needed to kill most players in pvp. It's a massive loss. It's no different than removing the stun from blazing spear or crystal frag. Both were horrible changes and this potential change will be just as bad.