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Dark Cloak no longer provides stealth, but it does give you a heal [Summserset]

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tinythinker
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Enjoy

EDIT to add source:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYT_XYjNNr4&feature=youtu.be

EDIT #2 to add reminder:

Dark Cloak is a morph, not the base ability.
Edited by tinythinker on April 3, 2018 3:18PM
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  • Turelus
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    Does it actually not provide stealth? I haven't had the chance to watch videos and only read Alcast's typed up version, it wasn't clear if it was just a heal or a stealth and a heal (which would be a little OP lol)
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  • Drachenfier
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    That's cool and all, but these two changes make no sense:

    Strife and its morphs have had their costs increased to be in-line with the cost of Force Pulse.

    Different abilities are different?

    Twisting Path has had its damage nerfed slightly.

    Why? It's a stationary conal AOE that doesn't do near as much damage as mobile pbaoe's like Hurricane.

    Some headscratchers in there.
  • Feanor
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    Alcast writes it lost the stealth. It would be absurd if you could cloak for 33% of max health on top of the stealth.
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  • OdinForge
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    The morph dark cloak no longer provides invisibility, it's an instant heal for 32% of max HP + minor protection.
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  • s7732425ub17_ESO
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    Don't know why they would completely gut the coolest ability in NB skillset.

    Edit: Disregard. One morph still provides invisibility, the other is for tanking. Good change!
    Edited by s7732425ub17_ESO on April 3, 2018 7:05PM
  • OdinForge
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    s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »
    Don't know why they would completely gut the coolest ability in NB skillset.

    Shadowy disguise still provides invisibility, they only changed one morph.
    The Age of Wrobel.
  • brandonv516
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    A Cloak morph that doesn't stealth.

    ZoS logic.
  • Turelus
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    Drachenfier wrote: »
    That's cool and all, but these two changes make no sense:

    Strife and its morphs have had their costs increased to be in-line with the cost of Force Pulse.

    Different abilities are different?

    Twisting Path has had its damage nerfed slightly.

    Why? It's a stationary conal AOE that doesn't do near as much damage as mobile pbaoe's like Hurricane.

    Some headscratchers in there.
    To be fair even as a MagBlade Strife being a heal and damage skill with less cost that Force Pulse was a little silly.
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  • Drachenfier
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    Turelus wrote: »
    Drachenfier wrote: »
    That's cool and all, but these two changes make no sense:

    Strife and its morphs have had their costs increased to be in-line with the cost of Force Pulse.

    Different abilities are different?

    Twisting Path has had its damage nerfed slightly.

    Why? It's a stationary conal AOE that doesn't do near as much damage as mobile pbaoe's like Hurricane.

    Some headscratchers in there.
    To be fair even as a MagBlade Strife being a heal and damage skill with less cost that Force Pulse was a little silly.

    Force Pulse does aoe damage. Strife's HoT component is pretty low, all things considered, especially in pvp. They're completely different abilities that share a vague similarity of "doing damage".
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    EDIT: Okay invisibility still exists on the other morphs and that 32% heal is CRAZY.

    Reeally really interseting for NBs now.

    Would love to know if that heal can crit... If so, NBs in PVP may genuinely face a really interesting option between healing and invisibiltiy.
    Edited by mb10 on April 3, 2018 3:11PM
  • BigBadVolk
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    Turelus wrote: »
    Drachenfier wrote: »
    That's cool and all, but these two changes make no sense:

    Strife and its morphs have had their costs increased to be in-line with the cost of Force Pulse.

    Different abilities are different?

    Twisting Path has had its damage nerfed slightly.

    Why? It's a stationary conal AOE that doesn't do near as much damage as mobile pbaoe's like Hurricane.

    Some headscratchers in there.
    To be fair even as a MagBlade Strife being a heal and damage skill with less cost that Force Pulse was a little silly.

    ye but instead of incriesing one skill cost, they could just lower the other spammable costs
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  • Kodrac
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    So NB is the new Templar then? (As in it's our turn to be gutted and turned into homogenized goo)
  • brandonv516
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    Turelus wrote: »
    Drachenfier wrote: »
    That's cool and all, but these two changes make no sense:

    Strife and its morphs have had their costs increased to be in-line with the cost of Force Pulse.

    Different abilities are different?

    Twisting Path has had its damage nerfed slightly.

    Why? It's a stationary conal AOE that doesn't do near as much damage as mobile pbaoe's like Hurricane.

    Some headscratchers in there.
    To be fair even as a MagBlade Strife being a heal and damage skill with less cost that Force Pulse was a little silly.

    Very different though.

    -Strife can be dodged once and not do any damage or healing at all.
    -Strife can be reflected.

    -Force pulse can be dodged but has 3 chances to do some damage.
    -Force pulse cannot be reflected.
  • Feanor
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    You still can play all your stealthy rogues. Just use the other cloak morph.
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  • OdinForge
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    NB got a huge buff depending on the outcome of the shadow image change, not requiring a target to place it opens up a lot of possibility. At the very least it will be far more reliable to drop it without having to disengage actual combat.

    Shadowy disguise still provides stealth.
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  • efster
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    This gives NB tanks a burst heal. A+
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  • tinythinker
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    Feanor wrote: »
    You still can play all your stealthy rogues. Just use the other cloak morph.

    Yup
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  • tinythinker
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    efster wrote: »
    This gives NB tanks a burst heal. A+

    From what I can tell second-hand there seemed to be a focus on making tanking and healing more broadly viable among different classes.
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  • TequilaFire
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    Shadowy Disguise still gives invisibility and crit, what most choose anyway.
  • ZiRM
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    So they didn't get rid of stealth... whew! I was gonna blow a fuse.
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  • Peekachu99
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    mb10 wrote: »
    EDIT: Okay invisibility still exists on the other morphs and that 32% heal is CRAZY.

    Reeally really interseting for NBs now.

    Would love to know if that heal can crit... If so, NBs in PVP may genuinely face a really interesting option between healing and invisibiltiy.

    It’s the same heal as a sorcerer’s clannfear.
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    ZiRM wrote: »
    So they didn't get rid of stealth... whew! I was gonna blow a fuse.

    Overloading is for Sorcs :tongue:
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  • Kolzki
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    I think it’s supposed to be a heal for nb tanks. You really don’t want your tank to cloak
  • Kodrac
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    ZiRM wrote: »
    So they didn't get rid of stealth... whew! I was gonna blow a fuse.

    Same.
  • Khrogo
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    My prayers have been answered. No one will laugh at my tankblade now!
  • Feanor
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    Thing is - if you run a Heavy Armour stamBlade in PvP (which a lot of People do. with Troll King on top) a class burst heal that triggers the shadow passives isn't exactly healthy design. That way you don't even need to think between Rally and FM. It's FM all the way. Will need to see how the other changes come along.
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    Khrogo wrote: »
    My prayers have been answered. No one will laugh at my tankblade now!

    Or any other tank or healer. The bulk of the skill changes are all about making all 5 classes capable tanks and healers as well as DPS... your choice.
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    Yeah, I’ll miss the 70k crits from reapers Mark. I won’t miss having to rely on an earthgore proc or an enemy dying to get a burst heal on my nb tank. I definitely welcome the new version of this morph.
  • Brrrofski
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    Feanor wrote: »
    Thing is - if you run a Heavy Armour stamBlade in PvP (which a lot of People do. with Troll King on top) a class burst heal that triggers the shadow passives isn't exactly healthy design. That way you don't even need to think between Rally and FM. It's FM all the way. Will need to see how the other changes come along.

    Keep in mind it'll be halfed in PvP, so it'll be 16.5% of max health. So the heal will be small on your average 25k health heavy armor build. Plus it will cost Magica, so you won't have a great amount of casts. And you give e up the ability to escape and reset fights as well as bonus stealth damage etc.

    I honestly see this as a pve only skill, mainly aimed at tanks. Warden, DKs and sorcs already have a health scaling self heal, just Templars that won't now.
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