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Sorc pvp build
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✭The petbuild I'm enjoying at the mo is 55.6k magicka, 3400 spelldmg (with buffs up - but not continuous assault), 48% crit. Mag recov = 1500 (no continuous and no pot buff). Only has 11k stam, and health is low too - so wouldn't recommend it to people - but I'm having a lot of fun
Its DW of course :-) Uses runecage and one pet. It's viable.
See, now this is what I mean. 11k stam (and what I assume is 400-500 stam regen) is not really that good for open world. Niche at best.
I know it might be good for duels or the occasional 1v1/2 in cyro, but outside of that idk... it might be the meta player in me talking though, cause if I’m not playing my main then I don’t see any reason not to run meta.
meta for what though.? If you want meta for escaping from everything, but not killing much, go for the accepted 'meta' builds. I mean, lets face it, most meta builds come from Xv1 players whose goal is to kite/outsustain. But most people don't play that way, so, are those builds really meta for everyone?
If you want something that can stand in a breach with a huge shieldstack an scare the crap out of the opposition, then your standard meta builds aren't the way to go.
If you want a build that can keep friendlies alive, then the standard meta is not the way to go.
If you want a build to make every snipe spammer on top of a wall stop shooting and instead hide behind their parapet, the standard meta isn't the answer.
Its also better than you would think at escaping due to bol and a huge magical pool.
But what do I know, I only play it every day.
The question is always, how much harder are you hitting? You get what, 2K or so more on a tooltip, that’s 750-1K damage realistically in PVP?
While that’s nice, it’s not worth it IMO over having the rounded resources to survive. I can roll dodge 4-5 times in a row (dodge roll streaks are the best!), and I can dark exchange until I get tired of hitting the ‘free magicka here!’ button.
With 11K stamina - You can also break free and dodge roll exactly once, so the first DK that comes along with talons, fossil is going to LOVE you.
Edit: don’t get me wrong, I really miss the hell out of wearing Magicka damage sets, but I don’t think they work for us well this patch.
I can comfortably stay rooted while they wail on me. You don't have to break every hard cc, nor every root. It takes practice but you can learn to spot when your shields will take the damage. I can break free as much as a I need to, but do have to be careful when to dodge. I'd be lying if I said I never die because I'm out of stam, but when I do, it's because I made a mistake (mostly because I forget due to often switching builds or characters that are made to dodge). I also have plenty of cp spent on break free and dodge cost, and a couple of well fitted pieces, so I can do more than one break free and dodge.
Big shields let you stand and cast your full burst rotation much more often, putting your opponent on the defence more, meaning less time dodging/shielding etc...
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say that dodging plus weaker shielding is a weaker defence, I know that dodge plus shield plus mobility is the stronger overall defence (played it often enough).
I'm just disputing the comments saying that this is not a viable build, and the earlier comment that single-pet builds are not viable.
If it wasn't viable, I wouldn't play it.
If you feel like running around in cyro with 11k stam and no stam regen then all power to you. I won’t judge you. Just don’t go around giving an inexperienced player the talk about how the build is plenty viable - it’s not. It works for you since you got used to it and are an experienced player on top of it, but it doesn’t make it any good for the average joe that makes mistakes and can’t afford to risk not to break CCs or whatnot.
I still see no reason to run such a build over a sustain setup just to squeeze in a little more damage in exchange for severe sustain issues. It’s the same thing for stamblades really, there’s no reason to run anything but shackle/bone. All the other setups have marginal differences in damage but the sustain is miles ahead everything else.
Anyway, no reason to argue over this really. You do you and I do me, it’s what’s so good about ESO - everyone plays how they want. Hell Dracane has been killing it on pet sorc for a long while (albeit she only plays on her “perma emp” IC build).0 -
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He was just proving a point that they’re viable, because I said that they weren’t.
They are sort of viable, but it takes a lot of know-how to play one effectively. Probably more than a meta build.
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Biro123✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The petbuild I'm enjoying at the mo is 55.6k magicka, 3400 spelldmg (with buffs up - but not continuous assault), 48% crit. Mag recov = 1500 (no continuous and no pot buff). Only has 11k stam, and health is low too - so wouldn't recommend it to people - but I'm having a lot of fun
Its DW of course :-) Uses runecage and one pet. It's viable.
See, now this is what I mean. 11k stam (and what I assume is 400-500 stam regen) is not really that good for open world. Niche at best.
I know it might be good for duels or the occasional 1v1/2 in cyro, but outside of that idk... it might be the meta player in me talking though, cause if I’m not playing my main then I don’t see any reason not to run meta.
meta for what though.? If you want meta for escaping from everything, but not killing much, go for the accepted 'meta' builds. I mean, lets face it, most meta builds come from Xv1 players whose goal is to kite/outsustain. But most people don't play that way, so, are those builds really meta for everyone?
If you want something that can stand in a breach with a huge shieldstack an scare the crap out of the opposition, then your standard meta builds aren't the way to go.
If you want a build that can keep friendlies alive, then the standard meta is not the way to go.
If you want a build to make every snipe spammer on top of a wall stop shooting and instead hide behind their parapet, the standard meta isn't the answer.
Its also better than you would think at escaping due to bol and a huge magical pool.
But what do I know, I only play it every day.
The question is always, how much harder are you hitting? You get what, 2K or so more on a tooltip, that’s 750-1K damage realistically in PVP?
While that’s nice, it’s not worth it IMO over having the rounded resources to survive. I can roll dodge 4-5 times in a row (dodge roll streaks are the best!), and I can dark exchange until I get tired of hitting the ‘free magicka here!’ button.
With 11K stamina - You can also break free and dodge roll exactly once, so the first DK that comes along with talons, fossil is going to LOVE you.
Edit: don’t get me wrong, I really miss the hell out of wearing Magicka damage sets, but I don’t think they work for us well this patch.
Depending on crits, His setup should have ~4k bigger burst combo than the standard Shackle/Lich sorcs and 5k+ more than Shackle/Riposte sorcs.
Idk how he’s sustaining, but he’s got waaay more damage than standard sorcs
I honestly haven't checked the tooltips (will in a mo). From a damage perspective I went with gut feel and trial and error. It initially started with an experiment... How much magical can I get, and can I make a viable build with it. Came up with a 59k sword n board build (no pets) - had a 16.5k hardened ward. It was viable, but the burst didn't feel good enough to me. So switched to DW, but dropped to just under 57k mag. Burst felt better though, a lot better.
Then I wondered if I could switch out bound aegis for matriarch to get a heal and a little sustained dmg. Did, but lost a bit more magicka to get what I posted.
Sustain comes from (depending on situation) heavy resto attacks, dark exch (overload bar), harness and not having to spam expensive destro spammables. And not to forget DW heavy attacks can recover stam when needed.
For ulti gain, I back bar curse and start the rotation with a woven resto light attack(infused wpn dmg). Since the ulti gain is over time, I figure its no worse than with destro/resto.
Edited by Biro123 on April 2, 2018 11:57PMMinalan owes me a beer.
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✭✭✭✭Procced frag tooltip is 19646 without continuous attack and non-empowered. Not sure what it is for a standard buildMinalan owes me a beer.
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✭Procced frag tooltip is 19646 without continuous attack and non-empowered. Not sure what it is for a standard build
A standart build is between 14k and 15k
The low magicka sustain and stamina managment make me think it's not viable at all.
For OP, go on Malcom channel on youtube and copy his build, it's (one) of the best you can get.
Before even speaking about pets, a good sorc build for me is the one where you have a lot of stamina because dodgeroll save you (cc kill you) and a build with enough sustain, that's why I choose 16k stam/1070regen and 48.5k magicka/2450 mag regen + elemental drain + overload dark conversion. Instead of increasing my damage with number, I increase it with buff : elemental drain + perma minor vulenerabilty (around 15% more damage on non shield users) it doesn't affect my sustain and it's also buff pets.0 -
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Really? what you running for that? I just put on spinners/lich and got 15265Minalan owes me a beer.
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CaliMade✭✭✭✭I run
1pet(matriarch)
Have less than 50k magic(49k)
have 1700 mag recovery
Only a 13.8k hardened ward
Now either Im REALLY good at sorc(witch im not cuz ive only been playing mag sorc for 2 days), or maybe things that dont work for you may work for others.
Best thing i can tell OP is try both out. If you already have the sets you lose nothing swaping them out, mix-matching and in general Experimenting. Find you what works for you.XB1 GT- Cali Made
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Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
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On a dual wield all of his frags are empowered, the 20% difference makes up for the lack of light attacks *some*.
On a DW pet build most of your defense is LOS around the pets. You keep them alive with hardened ward spam, and people hit THEM instead of you. So you don’t need to dodge roll or break free as often.
Problems with the pet AI getting stuck or just being stupid mobs though... I couldn’t make it work out.Edited by Minalan on April 3, 2018 2:30AM0 -
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On a dual wield all of his frags are empowered, the 20% difference makes up for the lack of light attacks *some*.
On a DW pet build most of your defense is LOS around the pets. You keep them alive with hardened ward spam, and people hit THEM instead of you. So you don’t need to dodge roll or break free as often.
Problems with the pet AI getting stuck or just being stupid mobs though... I couldn’t make it work out.
Nah. No time to use empower on a killing blow combo. By the time you fire it, the empower should have worn off. If it isn't consumed by Fury first.
And don't forget the shock enchant that's missing in that burst, concussion chance included.0 -
Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@Minno it’s literally major defile so it’s buffed the same way as other sources, it can’t proc on damage shields though
Can´t procc on damage shields + can´t procc on argonian + woodelf characters.
IMO that does not make disease worth it compared to shock/oblivion/flame enchant on sorc.<Noricum>
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Subversus✭✭✭✭✭
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On a dual wield all of his frags are empowered, the 20% difference makes up for the lack of light attacks *some*.
On a DW pet build most of your defense is LOS around the pets. You keep them alive with hardened ward spam, and people hit THEM instead of you. So you don’t need to dodge roll or break free as often.
Problems with the pet AI getting stuck or just being stupid mobs though... I couldn’t make it work out.
On a second though that does sound like a strong playstyle if mastered (the 1 pet playstyle that is). I mean I los around atro open world, I can only imagine how it is to have a portable los that isn’t dependable on how much ult you have.0 -
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On a dual wield all of his frags are empowered, the 20% difference makes up for the lack of light attacks *some*.
On a DW pet build most of your defense is LOS around the pets. You keep them alive with hardened ward spam, and people hit THEM instead of you. So you don’t need to dodge roll or break free as often.
Problems with the pet AI getting stuck or just being stupid mobs though... I couldn’t make it work out.
Nah. No time to use empower on a killing blow combo. By the time you fire it, the empower should have worn off. If it isn't consumed by Fury first.
And don't forget the shock enchant that's missing in that burst, concussion chance included.
Not all frags are empowered, bar space means having to use inner light to empower which is harsh on the sustain, so I have to choose when to use it. Also can't use it alongside runecage, there isn't the time.
On concussion, I understand the pets attacks deliver that.
And yes, that value was with an infused berserker enchant up (and major sorcery). Gold flame staff and only one spelldamage glyph in jewellery. Didn't catch the overall spell damage, but mag was 41k.Minalan owes me a beer.
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On a dual wield all of his frags are empowered, the 20% difference makes up for the lack of light attacks *some*.
On a DW pet build most of your defense is LOS around the pets. You keep them alive with hardened ward spam, and people hit THEM instead of you. So you don’t need to dodge roll or break free as often.
Problems with the pet AI getting stuck or just being stupid mobs though... I couldn’t make it work out.
Nah. No time to use empower on a killing blow combo. By the time you fire it, the empower should have worn off. If it isn't consumed by Fury first.
And don't forget the shock enchant that's missing in that burst, concussion chance included.
Not all frags are empowered, bar space means having to use inner light to empower which is harsh on the sustain, so I have to choose when to use it. Also can't use it alongside runecage, there isn't the time.
On concussion, I understand the pets attacks deliver that.
And yes, that value was with an infused berserker enchant up (and major sorcery). Gold flame staff and only one spelldamage glyph in jewellery. Didn't catch the overall spell damage, but mag was 41k.
I have 46k mag... And three spellpower glyphs. That explains it.
Setup is standard Shacklelich with Domi and Master.0 -
Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭@Minno it’s literally major defile so it’s buffed the same way as other sources, it can’t proc on damage shields though
Can´t procc on damage shields + can´t procc on argonian + woodelf characters.
IMO that does not make disease worth it compared to shock/oblivion/flame enchant on sorc.
As far as I know no status effect procs on damage shields whatsoever, unless something changed recently . Which kinda makes poisons the overall best choice, if you can be bothered to constantly replenish your stash.EU | PC | AD0 -
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On a dual wield all of his frags are empowered, the 20% difference makes up for the lack of light attacks *some*.
On a DW pet build most of your defense is LOS around the pets. You keep them alive with hardened ward spam, and people hit THEM instead of you. So you don’t need to dodge roll or break free as often.
Problems with the pet AI getting stuck or just being stupid mobs though... I couldn’t make it work out.
Nah. No time to use empower on a killing blow combo. By the time you fire it, the empower should have worn off. If it isn't consumed by Fury first.
And don't forget the shock enchant that's missing in that burst, concussion chance included.
Not all frags are empowered, bar space means having to use inner light to empower which is harsh on the sustain, so I have to choose when to use it. Also can't use it alongside runecage, there isn't the time.
On concussion, I understand the pets attacks deliver that.
And yes, that value was with an infused berserker enchant up (and major sorcery). Gold flame staff and only one spelldamage glyph in jewellery. Didn't catch the overall spell damage, but mag was 41k.
I have 46k mag... And three spellpower glyphs. That explains it.
Setup is standard Shacklelich with Domi and Master.
Must be something else. There is no way that a couple of extra glyph and 4k mag can explain a 4k tooltip difference, while another 10k mag (and probably more spelldamage?) Only gives a few hundred difference.
There has to be a difference in the tests/buffs.
Also that's a decent amount of mag for shackle/lich. It should be around the same as spinners/lich. Are you running mage? (I was, usually don't with that build though). What food? (I'm wondering if mine had ran out at the time)
@Subversus tooltip is more like what I'd expect to see on most sustain-oriented staff setups.
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✭✭✭✭I use Shacklebreaker and Lich. My sustain is stupid <.<"Buzz Lightyear toy isle shot" Stormcalling/Animal Companions/Assassination PVP build hater
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✭✭✭I prefer Shackle + Amber over Shackle + Lich by quite some margin.
1k base regen for 20", once per minute = 1k * 10 ticks = 10k
10k / 30 ticks (in a minute) = 333 base regen equivalent AT BEST.
I'd rather take 250 mag regen and 250 stam regen constant, than 333 mag regen. That stam regen translates to an extra Dark Conversion every 10"-15" which gives better mag regen in return.
I prefer to run maelstrom resto backbar, even if I decide to use Rapid Regen or not. If I do, I will sacrifice Power Surge. Which is not something I do when running solo, but if I'm in a small group it helps keep everyone topped up while also giving another 200 regen to my mag sustain. Which then completes my conversion to a Support Sorc build XD.EU | PC | AD1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭@Minno it’s literally major defile so it’s buffed the same way as other sources, it can’t proc on damage shields though
Can´t procc on damage shields + can´t procc on argonian + woodelf characters.
IMO that does not make disease worth it compared to shock/oblivion/flame enchant on sorc.
As far as I know no status effect procs on damage shields whatsoever, unless something changed recently . Which kinda makes poisons the overall best choice, if you can be bothered to constantly replenish your stash.
If using nirn that is - yes.<Noricum>
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Amber requires to be active on both bars for maximum effect. I prefer Lich to save a slot.
You can always backbar infused bloodthorn with mag/stam absorb depending on where it's lacking, for something in between lich and amber.1 -
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✭✭✭✭Looks like next patch there’s no reason to run dual wield any longer, given that staves give two set piece bonuses.
Yeah, I saw that.. not to mention increased light attack damage... They really do hate DW. /Cry...
But if I understand it correctly, it's a 10 percent buff to pet shields.Edited by Biro123 on April 3, 2018 5:15PMMinalan owes me a beer.
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✭✭✭LegendaryMage wrote: »
Would just leave out the absorp enchant, but yeah, also a possibility.
HOWEVERRR...
That's primal style, isn't it? Not voluntarily giving up my fashionable Lich-style resto! \(>. <)/
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