It will have to be seen whether 5 piece julianos provides more dps than minor slayer + monster set.

I'd guess that a 3 piece trial set + monster set (e.g. Ilambris) would probably out-dps 5 piece julianos. The bad thing (that I see) about pairing julianos with MA is that Julianos gives a significant amount of spell crit by itself, which is diminished by the MA proc. However, there simply isn't any other interesting Magicka dps crafted set to combine it with.

It'll be interesting to see the results in May!

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Illurian wrote: »

It will have to be seen whether 5 piece julianos provides more dps than minor slayer + monster set.

I'd guess that a 3 piece trial set + monster set (e.g. Ilambris) would probably out-dps 5 piece julianos. The bad thing (that I see) about pairing julianos with MA is that Julianos gives a significant amount of spell crit by itself, which is diminished by the MA proc. However, there simply isn't any other interesting Magicka dps crafted set to combine it with.

It'll be interesting to see the results in May!

I think the idea was that with mechanical acuity you have 100% crit damage for the procs duration

And with julianos you'd have higher uptime with crit damage on the cooldown for MA.


The potential for Crit damage uptime just in theory already appears to be nothing to laugh at


But yeah I was curious what everyone else is thinking since Mag toons are constricted more in what they can use

Yes, but what I mean is during the duration of the MA proc, the crit % provided by Julianos is effectively negated. I don't have the numbers on me right now, but I believe someone calculated the base crit % at which MA becomes less effective (off the top of my head, I believe it was somewhere around 60% but I could be completely wrong here).

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Illurian wrote: »

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Illurian wrote: »

It will have to be seen whether 5 piece julianos provides more dps than minor slayer + monster set.

I'd guess that a 3 piece trial set + monster set (e.g. Ilambris) would probably out-dps 5 piece julianos. The bad thing (that I see) about pairing julianos with MA is that Julianos gives a significant amount of spell crit by itself, which is diminished by the MA proc. However, there simply isn't any other interesting Magicka dps crafted set to combine it with.

It'll be interesting to see the results in May!

I think the idea was that with mechanical acuity you have 100% crit damage for the procs duration

And with julianos you'd have higher uptime with crit damage on the cooldown for MA.


The potential for Crit damage uptime just in theory already appears to be nothing to laugh at


But yeah I was curious what everyone else is thinking since Mag toons are constricted more in what they can use

Yes, but what I mean is during the duration of the MA proc, the crit % provided by Julianos is effectively negated. I don't have the numbers on me right now, but I believe someone calculated the base crit % at which MA becomes less effective (off the top of my head, I believe it was somewhere around 60% but I could be completely wrong here).

True enough


My main curiosity is to see if Monster sets will be less effective than a 5/5 setup for Magic characters. I was hopeful summerset would have added another mag weapon


But Alas lol we work with what we have

They will probably introduce more crafted sets (as they have with each DLC), which could mean more viable magicka dps crafted sets to play around with.

As of right now, I'd probably just stick to what I currently have for my geared up characters. Even if 5 piece Julianos out-dpses 3 piece IA/MD/Willpower + Ilambris, I don't think that it would be by a lot (if at all), but I'll let the number crunchers figure that one out.

Juli + Acuity is going to be a bad combo. In fact since most of us are running double fire staves, BSW + Acuity is already an available option and is better since there is only one crit bonus on BSW.

2x5 sets and a 1 piece is already the best set up for many magicka builds, especially with an Acuity front bar set up.

As the guy above me said, its trait changing that is going to be OP potentially.

While we are theorycrafting: considering Mechanical Acuity has become the BiS set for multiple classes and augments NBs DPS so much, by logic I would expect such set to be completely nerfed and rendered useless like many, many sets before it.

Vahrokh wrote: »

While we are theorycrafting: considering Mechanical Acuity has become the BiS set for multiple classes and augments NBs DPS so much, by logic I would expect such set to be completely nerfed and rendered useless like many, many sets before it.

ye sadly thats a high possibility, but I'd be fine if they would just nerf it for stam they already have more options for crafted gear than mag or I hope they finally introduce some usefull pve crafted set for mag otherwise (at least for magnbs) I'd say it will be 5 jul with 5 bsw/architect or even MD
There are not too much monster sets that truly shines on mNBs so far in the game

On a mag DK with a fire mage type build what do you guys think will best mix of gear working with what I have, ATM I have 7-8pcs BSW,5-7pcs lich, 5pcs julianos, 4-5pcs silks, 3pcs embershield. I also have complete Ilambris, Grothdarr, & volkia monster sets that I normally rotate between depending on situation.I like the idea of using monster sets that do damage because its essentially a free skill that is autobcast if running a build that procs the set often.

*the reason I have to mix and match even tho I have so many pcs of each set is because some of the pcs are blue, 1 even green, I have a lightning bsw staff but a inferno embershild on the only parts I would call complete is that I do have neck & both rings from each set except Juliana's.

jnelson1182 wrote: »

On a mag DK with a fire mage type build what do you guys think will best mix of gear working with what I have, ATM I have 7-8pcs BSW,5-7pcs lich, 5pcs julianos, 4-5pcs silks, 3pcs embershield. I also have complete Ilambris, Grothdarr, & volkia monster sets that I normally rotate between depending on situation.I like the idea of using monster sets that do damage because its essentially a free skill that is autobcast if running a build that procs the set often.

*the reason I have to mix and match even tho I have so many pcs of each set is because some of the pcs are blue, 1 even green, I have a lightning bsw staff but a inferno embershild on the only parts I would call complete is that I do have neck & both rings from each set except Juliana's.

Really depends on what you are going to play in SS. As a mainly PvE orie ted player im probably gona run Elfbane and zaan on my magdk with eother bsw or acuity as my 2nd 5pcs set.
Sets I would recommend to get, including weapons, prior to SS release are; BSW, Elfbane, zaan (both pcs in all weights), moondancer, Acuity, Julianos.
Most of those sets ppl already have from prior metas. If you dont do not craft any sets by now, if you farm sets dont retrait them yet (unless youd hit the crystallcap...then make some space to get new crystalls). I reccommend to only craft or retrait / farm gear when the 2nd or 3rd Patch hits the PTS, or when the live patchnotes are released.

Destruent wrote: »

For Magtoons i guess 5x Moondancer/5MA, Monsterset, Maelstrome-Backbar could be strong. You can go for full dmg on jewelry/buffood bc the occasional moondacner-regen-procc will cover for sustain.

Agree however there are magblades who already have the sustain they need. So other options are good aswell. It depends on the class, probably no sorc will run bsw just cause there are other great combos.
The change to set varities makes for some new and improved builds.

jnelson1182 wrote: »

do I need a group in order to get moondancer? and I had also read somewhere today that neck an 2 rings willpower can help bring up my max mag

Yes, moondancer drops in the trail Maw of Lorkahj (MoL). You can run it on normal with a random group if everyone knows the mechanics.

We don't know anything about the set changes they will introduce, so I would be careful with any actions you take until then...

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Magicka DK with Elf Bane is going to have an interesting rotation. Front bar three 12 second duration skills, back bar one 10 second and two 20-ish second skills.

At the moment Im not sure if I will run Elf Bane and Zaan with Acuity or BSW. Both setups look really powerful, kinda leaning towards BSW tbh.

Elf bane is very interesting, as it passively gives you sustain and time within your rotation and increases the zaan beam damage by quite a bit. With jewellery crafting we can wear it with arcane/infused jewellery and two heavy body pieces. That will make the mag DK rotation very interesting.

Magicka dks will possibly shine again

coplannb16_ESO wrote: »

problem I have is, that this means mDK might shine again if using Elfbane and Zaan. I dont know of any other class that is or will be as forced into using certain gear. this is no longer BiS, this is all or nothing.

they need to balance the classes first, then look at gear, not the other way around.

I don't think the difference will be that big compared to other setups...but anyway, we'll see