Should Dragonstar Arena and trials have a group finder?

Numerikuu · April 2018

No, I like spending hours looking for a group.

As nice as it would be, I have to agree with the other No voters. The current Group tool is dreadful, so I can't imagine how bad it would be for 'organizing' a bloody trial group.

Hurtfan · April 2018

Yes, it's about time.

Don't understand the no votes, have the feature in the game, just use at your own risk...

madchuska83 · April 2018

Yes, it's about time.

DSA, definitely. Trials, they would have to work a lobby into the matchmaking. You need to be able to assign sets and roles for people in trials. For instance, if you did a group finder and came up with 2 ranged dps and the rest melee the top side of HRC may be difficult on normal and impossible on vet.

karekiz · April 2018

Yes, it's about time.

Normal only w/ a min 300 CP.

Lets be honest most normal trials are easier then some vet content.

pshift · April 2018

No, I like spending hours looking for a group.

No, because I will still get through a normal dungeon with the *** dps who queued as a tank or healer to jump the queue, but in a trial it would just screw everyone and waste everyone's time.

Edit: not to mention that it wouldn't solve the very reason you want it -- if not enough people are available to do <insert your trial here> in the zone chat, having a queue system isn't going to help. Also think of how many times you think you're about to get into a dungeon but the last person doesn't respond or declines or whatever, now multiply that by a factor of 3.

AhPook_Is_Here · April 2018

Yes, it's about time.

I think it's a great idea. Imagine all the tanks and healers crying about wait time, lol

leandro.800ub17_ESO · April 2018

Yes, it's about time.

Al least for Normal and make a CP max restriction for Vet
Its ideal for filling up those 2-3 spots that you have left

Kuramas9tails · April 2018

No, I like spending hours looking for a group.

tinythinker wrote: »

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

I should have a queue for VMA for the queue buff. This is bs ZOS.

Joking aside, dungeons usually take 20 minutes on average. Sometimes more, sometimes less. VDSA can take up to an hour, or two, or three or never completed. But hey, if you can't find a group via area chat/guild chat, sure, lets add a queue to it. I personally would never pug through a queue for VDSA because I already seen what happens via area chat. I don't even like doing VDSA without my normal group because I know they can DPS and heal through it. With that, I know people in my guilds who would queue for VDSA that I know would not get through it because they have bad DPS and no sense of their surrounding and die to everything, which is why they would queue because us who have completed it would not take them in there. You could get away with a DPS like this in a Vet trial, I have many many times to the point we just leave that person to stay dead, but for VDSA....no. BUT.......

pug your little hearts out! ZOS should give it to you guys. I would personally never use it.

For longer content they can divide it by each stage, and limit the ability to queue for a stage to characters who've completed the previous stage. Or, make it that to queue for any stage you have to have beaten the whole thing.

The queueing system now is already glitchy enough. To add stages in the queue, I think you are speaking of an apocalypse.

Kuramas9tails · April 2018

No, I like spending hours looking for a group.

Hurtfan wrote: »

Don't understand the no votes, have the feature in the game, just use at your own risk...

I voted no because I personally don't see it necessary (key word....personally). But I say yes because the one way for people to learn is to do it and if no one else with do it with them, let the game find others for them. It's like when people I know who are bad at VCragTrials say they want to do VMOL, I simply say "good luck" and be on my merry way.

You know what the queue would be used mostly for? A team of 4 for VDSA already experienced only using the queue for the queue buff.

That's what I would do with my group.

Kolache · April 2018

I'd be happy if vDSA just had some way to save progress

MasterSpatula · April 2018

Ah, it wouldn't be the ESO forum without biased polls where the one (or more) of the answers insults anyone who would dare disagree with the OP by choosing it.

Ley · April 2018

Yes, it's about time.

starkerealm wrote: »

Yeah... I'll pass, thanks.

That was an entertaining read.

I still think they should add them to the group finder. Just because it will be extremely difficult to complete with pugs doesn't mean they should be allowed to try. As it currently stands, there is no way I'll spend hours spamming my guilds trying to get a group together. I see other people doing it and it's painful to watch. I'd rather wipe x100 than spam guild chat for hours. At least while 12 of us are wiping, we're slowly learning the content. Spamming chat doesn't teach you anything.

WildRaptorX · April 2018

Yes, it's about time.

Imagine voting no

rileynotzb14_ESO · April 2018

Yes, it's about time.

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Ah, it wouldn't be the ESO forum without biased polls where the one (or more) of the answers insults anyone who would dare disagree with the OP by choosing it.

That seems like a silly thing to be insulted by. This question was intended for people who do not have a group of trial players on demand. I thought that was obvious.

TelvanniWizard · April 2018

Yes, it's about time.

The main complaint seems to be that PUG experience would be horrible. Well, it´s not compulsory to use this system, if it is ever implemented. So I think it is not a valid argument. If you don´t want to use group finder for trials don´t use it. Continue like always, with your friends and guilds. But some of us want this option, so, why deprive us of its use?

NewBlacksmurf · April 2018

Yes, it's about time.

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

There shouldn't be one. Join a guild that does trials.

????????
All group content should be in the activity finder. If certain players don’t want to use it, that’s fine but I think many should consider the reason some content is harder is because so few can access it on a regular basis.

NolaArch · April 2018

MattT1988 wrote: »

Not voting due to biased poll.

There should be one only for normal.

I tend to agree with this. I don't see the harm in a group finder for normal trials. That being said, I'm not sure if it would be worth exploring until the current issues/problems with group finder are resolved. So maybe that means this would never be possible?

bardx86 · April 2018

please yes

Tetrafy · April 2018

Yes, it's about time.

Yes, seriously most people can clear trials with pugs. And same with VDSA, Ive never had an issue for almost all raid content in ffxiv. Sometimes you gotta teach but its but a small time constraint compared to the hours wasted getting a group together.

Tetrafy · April 2018

Yes, it's about time.

MattT1988 wrote: »

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

MattT1988 wrote: »

Not voting due to biased poll.

There should be one only for normal.

Why? It's pretty comparable to some of the harder DLC dungeons, and you can use Group Finder to find groups for vet versions of those...

You can’t compare Vet Dragonstar to he dungeons. It’s much longer and it’s harder. You know what will happen. Pugs will go in, fail miserably, come onto the forums and complain like THEY ALWAYS DO. ZOS will nerf it and it’ll be *** easy and we lose another piece of challenging content.

As for trials. A pug 12 man trial group??? Yeah nah.....

Other way more complex games do it no problem.

Tetrafy · April 2018

Yes, it's about time.

redspecter23 wrote: »

First off, please learn how to keep your bias out of the poll or it really is a pointless poll.

Second, by all means there should be a group finder for normal trials and DSA. It would be less than useless for vet versions. Vets are intended for well coordinated groups which is the exact opposite of a queue pug. Vets are simply not balanced for the types of groups that a queue would put together and lead to frustration and failure and the eventual call for nerfs because some people think queue pugs should be capable of completing any content in the game.

I disagree, I think there is no difference between random and pre mades either way it takes work and teamplay.

Tetrafy · April 2018

Yes, it's about time.

Bhaal5 wrote: »

Its not hard to socialize and find a guild that does trials? Or is eso really going "elder scrolls 6: one tamerial multiplayer optional edition"

If anything pugs include playing multiplayer.

redspecter23 · April 2018

Tetrafy wrote: »

Yes, seriously most people can clear trials with pugs. And same with VDSA,

I highly doubt that most people can clear VDSA. I'd bet 10 million gold against it in fact. I'd put the number closer to 5%, maybe 7% if you include people that are basically being carried by 3 others. You vastly overestimate the skill level of most players in this game.

jssriot · April 2018

Apherius wrote: »

Imagine a second if you join a group ... you spend hours helping Pug ( or they help you ) and once you reach stage 10th, they kick you and invite one of their friend to get the final chest.

I'm trying to imagine this, but in my imagination the PUG can't even make it past stage 4.

karekiz · April 2018

Yes, it's about time.

pshift wrote: »

No, because I will still get through a normal dungeon with the *** dps who queued as a tank or healer to jump the queue, but in a trial it would just screw everyone and waste everyone's time.

Edit: not to mention that it wouldn't solve the very reason you want it -- if not enough people are available to do <insert your trial here> in the zone chat, having a queue system isn't going to help. Also think of how many times you think you're about to get into a dungeon but the last person doesn't respond or declines or whatever, now multiply that by a factor of 3.

Its normal dungeons. People don't care about min maxing DPS in normals dungeons. They want to level so they wear level 1 gear with training. Mayyyyybe upgrade to level 30, if they feel like it, but it honestly doesn't matter at all. They don't have skills unlocked <HINT DESTRO ULTIMATE>. Most don't have caltrops or vigour yet.

When I do normals on my max CP sorc, I don't even bar swap. Why would I? Just put on Barrier + Power Surge + blockade + Liquid + Haunting + heavy attacks = enough damage and survival for every boss dead include every single DLC one.

Its a silly comparison.

A more approachable one would be vet que's, and really there is far less Fake tanks in those.

I don't think people want no level cap on trials, and it should be higher than group level cap. 300 CP is by far fair enough for normal trials. By then people should have learned some of the game, and have at least one geared toon. Besides, you wouldn't be able to tell them apart from a LFG in craglorn anyway. Most of my random normal trial groups never even asked me my CP.

patents · April 2018

Why was trials not included in the finder in the first place? ZOS wanna promote guild play or?
Hopefully it gets added so that guildless peeps like me get to run it at least on normal

wenchmore420b14_ESO · April 2018

No, I like spending hours looking for a group.

I voted no.
I have just started using GF as I have always had guildies to run them but just for fun and XP have started doing it.
First, have you done vDSA or trials? A pug group doing this content??? Lmao....
GF, in my limited experience is fine as is.
FYI... Don't know why, but I queue as DPS and get slotted in less than 5 minutes... PC/NA

Prospero_ESO · April 2018

No, I like spending hours looking for a group.

No Pugging in Vet DSA

TelvanniWizard · April 2018

Yes, it's about time.

Prospero_ESO wrote: »

No Pugging in Vet DSA

If you don´t like Pugging don´t use group finder. But let those who want have the option.

akl77 · April 2018

Yes, it's about time.

Yes, I don’t see why not? I pug them with random people on vet all the time.