Lackluster morph choices that hopefully ZOS will look into for Summerset

Minno · April 2018

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

I believe Empowering Sweep should scale off weapon damage and max stamina, Stamplars do use this morph despite it scaling from Spell damage/Magicka. Magplar needs the other morph for burst, would be better if it AoE knocked down also.

Also, everyone knows now that the dodgeable/off balance/Lash change has killed DK and a stamina morph of Power Lash as it used to be maybe too overpowered. So why not give DK a physical Whip and keeps those changes but make the Magicka version, Power Lash, undodgeable again.

I actually agree with this. Though we need a stun as well; the dmg won't cut it if our enemies can reposition and heal while we are trying to jabby-jab. Otherwise magplar would still use dawnbreaker of smitting with the dmg reduction morph for backbar buffs/quick defensive ultimate.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · April 2018

Elemental Susceptibility is really nice for parsing on dummies if you dont need the magic steal to sustain. It allows you to cast it pre fight and forget.

Now a better solution would be smarter dummies (ability to set pen levels or automatically give typical buffs), but the skill does at least have a use currently.

Lynx7386 · April 2018

There's nothing wrong with bull netch, it gives stamina and major brutality and that is in no way punishing stamina players.

Cutting dive needs to give something like major empower on the next attack. Being changed to a dodgeable attack kinda killed this in pvp (for both morphs) and I'm sick of stamina morphs not getting extra effects like magicka morphs do.

Feral Guardian (the stam morph of the bear ult) also needs an improvement. IMO it should be able to charge and knockdown/stun enemies when you use the ultimate again. Right now it gets literally no benefit over the magicka version.

GreenSoup2HoT · April 2018

Power Extraction.

Brrrofski · April 2018

Lynx7386 wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with bull netch, it gives stamina and major brutality and that is in no way punishing stamina players.

Cutting dive needs to give something like major empower on the next attack. Being changed to a dodgeable attack kinda killed this in pvp (for both morphs) and I'm sick of stamina morphs not getting extra effects like magicka morphs do.

Feral Guardian (the stam morph of the bear ult) also needs an improvement. IMO it should be able to charge and knockdown/stun enemies when you use the ultimate again. Right now it gets literally no benefit over the magicka version.

But blue Betty give us Magica back, sorcery and removes a negative effect. So Stam is sort of being punished as it loses out on an extra perk. Most Stam skill don't, there are 4 or 5 that do that though.

Lynx7386 · April 2018

Brrrofski wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with bull netch, it gives stamina and major brutality and that is in no way punishing stamina players.

Cutting dive needs to give something like major empower on the next attack. Being changed to a dodgeable attack kinda killed this in pvp (for both morphs) and I'm sick of stamina morphs not getting extra effects like magicka morphs do.

Feral Guardian (the stam morph of the bear ult) also needs an improvement. IMO it should be able to charge and knockdown/stun enemies when you use the ultimate again. Right now it gets literally no benefit over the magicka version.

But blue Betty give us Magica back, sorcery and removes a negative effect. So Stam is sort of being punished as it loses out on an extra perk. Most Stam skill don't, there are 4 or 5 that do that though.

Bull netch gives both major buffs, meaning a stamina character will have more powerful magicka support skills. I find it useful in regards to healing or adding swarm into a stam rotation.

waitwhat · April 2018

@Joy_Division Thank you for this thread.

I would add Power Extraction to the Nightblade list.

The skill just doesn't see much use. It gives Major Brutality and does more damage than Sap Essence, while Sap Essence provides Major Brutality and Major Sorcery and heals the user. I get that Power Extraction follows the principle of "morph that does more damage but has less utility" but we just don't see much use of this morph in PvP or PvE given the damage scaling and radius of Steel Tornado.

Power Extraction might be a skill in the Nightblade class which could be reworked to provide the stamina nightblade with a PvE group buff/PvE enemy debuff. Stamplars provide minor fracture and minor breach, and stamDKs provide minor brutality and minor sorcery. It may be nice to have Power Extraction apply Weakening and reduce weapon damage of affected targets by 174 for 9 seconds. As with Mending, the Glyph of Weakening, and Alessia's Bulwark, the debuff would affect all PvE targets in equal measure while largely affecting just those PvP targets that rely on their weapon damage stat (i.e. stam builds). I don't think we're seeing Mending, Glyphs of Weakening, and Alessia's Bulwark much in Cyrodiil, so I'm hoping this debuff would be much more PvE focused. The stamblade has enough in its PvP debuff toolkit as it is.

Admittedly, substituting Power Extraction for a debuff purpose would be a DPS loss given that stamblades do not have flex spots on their bars, but in some fights the debuff may be worth it. In large add pulls, the AoE weakening debuff will boost group damage mitigation for all 12 members by helping cover targets not affected by Mending. Indeed, having Power Extraction apply a weakening debuff may help a healer to forgo mending in favor of SPC + Jorvuld's/Twilight provided the proposed debuff would stack with a tank's Truly Superb Glyph of Weakening on boss fights like vSO's The Serpent, vHRC's The Warrior, and vAS Olms +0 (vMoL, vHoF, and vAS Olms +1/+2 still might require someone wearing mending for most groups).

Camb0Sl1ce · April 2018

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but I would like to see both morphs of Crystal shards have a proc just like the crystal frags morph, but return the 20% damage back to frags and instead crystal blast would have the stun when it procs. So at least that may be a way to remove the cast time element of crystal blast.

Also regarding the storm atronach ultimate, as was said before greater storm stomach is better. Longer duration means more damage. Could possibly keep greater as is for its single target damage and maybe make the other morph do am aoe pulse similar to the storm storm atronachs in vAA HM, maybe that could make both morphs appealing. One for single target the other for aoe.

WillhelmBlack · April 2018

Minno wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

I believe Empowering Sweep should scale off weapon damage and max stamina, Stamplars do use this morph despite it scaling from Spell damage/Magicka. Magplar needs the other morph for burst, would be better if it AoE knocked down also.

Also, everyone knows now that the dodgeable/off balance/Lash change has killed DK and a stamina morph of Power Lash as it used to be maybe too overpowered. So why not give DK a physical Whip and keeps those changes but make the Magicka version, Power Lash, undodgeable again.

I actually agree with this. Though we need a stun as well; the dmg won't cut it if our enemies can reposition and heal while we are trying to jabby-jab. Otherwise magplar would still use dawnbreaker of smitting with the dmg reduction morph for backbar buffs/quick defensive ultimate.

What I'm saying is Crescent Sweep should knockdown all enemies in area, hit harder to the frontal area and scale off spell damage/Magicka. So Magplar has burst and an AoE CC, a magicka dawnie.

Empowering Sweep should be a radius and do what it does now, you take less damage for each enemy hit (seperate to Maim etc) but scale off weapon damage/max stam.

Reason: whilst it won't hit as hard or stun like Dawnbreaker, it will do some decent damage and give Stamplar a chance at getting in the middle of a fight or a chance to heal up because Stamplar heals over time, a Magplar burst heals and doesn't need it. Magplar needs a big burst ultimate.

It just feels all the wrong way round. Magplar using Dawnbreaker, Stamplars using Empowering (albeit back bar, but still)

Waffennacht · April 2018

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with bull netch, it gives stamina and major brutality and that is in no way punishing stamina players.

Cutting dive needs to give something like major empower on the next attack. Being changed to a dodgeable attack kinda killed this in pvp (for both morphs) and I'm sick of stamina morphs not getting extra effects like magicka morphs do.

Feral Guardian (the stam morph of the bear ult) also needs an improvement. IMO it should be able to charge and knockdown/stun enemies when you use the ultimate again. Right now it gets literally no benefit over the magicka version.

But blue Betty give us Magica back, sorcery and removes a negative effect. So Stam is sort of being punished as it loses out on an extra perk. Most Stam skill don't, there are 4 or 5 that do that though.

Bull netch gives both major buffs, meaning a stamina character will have more powerful magicka support skills. I find it useful in regards to healing or adding swarm into a stam rotation.

Also, I use it on Mag PvP builds, it allows to build more Stam lean builds while not being weak to CCs and poisons

Brrrofski · April 2018

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with bull netch, it gives stamina and major brutality and that is in no way punishing stamina players.

Cutting dive needs to give something like major empower on the next attack. Being changed to a dodgeable attack kinda killed this in pvp (for both morphs) and I'm sick of stamina morphs not getting extra effects like magicka morphs do.

Feral Guardian (the stam morph of the bear ult) also needs an improvement. IMO it should be able to charge and knockdown/stun enemies when you use the ultimate again. Right now it gets literally no benefit over the magicka version.

But blue Betty give us Magica back, sorcery and removes a negative effect. So Stam is sort of being punished as it loses out on an extra perk. Most Stam skill don't, there are 4 or 5 that do that though.

Bull netch gives both major buffs, meaning a stamina character will have more powerful magicka support skills. I find it useful in regards to healing or adding swarm into a stam rotation.

Nobody cares about major sorcery on it if they're playing Stam warden. 20% of low spell damage is a low bonus. It's useless to a Stam warden. Does anyone want the purge taken from the Magica one for major brutality? I guarantee it's a resounding no.

If you're using swarm in a rotation on a Stam warden you're doing nothing but wasting a bar slot.

Minno · April 2018

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

I believe Empowering Sweep should scale off weapon damage and max stamina, Stamplars do use this morph despite it scaling from Spell damage/Magicka. Magplar needs the other morph for burst, would be better if it AoE knocked down also.

Also, everyone knows now that the dodgeable/off balance/Lash change has killed DK and a stamina morph of Power Lash as it used to be maybe too overpowered. So why not give DK a physical Whip and keeps those changes but make the Magicka version, Power Lash, undodgeable again.

I actually agree with this. Though we need a stun as well; the dmg won't cut it if our enemies can reposition and heal while we are trying to jabby-jab. Otherwise magplar would still use dawnbreaker of smitting with the dmg reduction morph for backbar buffs/quick defensive ultimate.

What I'm saying is Crescent Sweep should knockdown all enemies in area, hit harder to the frontal area and scale off spell damage/Magicka. So Magplar has burst and an AoE CC, a magicka dawnie.

Empowering Sweep should be a radius and do what it does now, you take less damage for each enemy hit (seperate to Maim etc) but scale off weapon damage/max stam.

Reason: whilst it won't hit as hard or stun like Dawnbreaker, it will do some decent damage and give Stamplar a chance at getting in the middle of a fight or a chance to heal up because Stamplar heals over time, a Magplar burst heals and doesn't need it. Magplar needs a big burst ultimate.

It just feels all the wrong way round. Magplar using Dawnbreaker, Stamplars using Empowering (albeit back bar, but still)

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