Grind spot etiquette.

MajBludd · April 2018

Sucks when somebody messes up your rotation, but you don't own those mobs anymore than the next player.

Bam_Bam · April 2018

Knowledge wrote: »

I don't agree with your logic. Assuming you may not be an American citizen the traffic laws in the United States allow people to have the "right of way". The person that has the "right of way" has the ownership of that lane.
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You're not in America though. You're in the fictional world of Tamriel in a computer/console. And if you think being American gives you certain rights over others, it doesn't.

Enslaved · April 2018

Baranthus wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

I don't agree with your logic. Assuming you may not be an American citizen the traffic laws in the United States allow people to have the "right of way". The person that has the "right of way" has the ownership of that lane.
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You're not in America though. You're in the fictional world of Tamriel in a computer/console. And if you think being American gives you certain rights over others, it doesn't.

Maybe his grind spot is on a highway near.... Wait, there are no highways in ESO...

Bam_Bam · April 2018

Enslaved wrote: »

Baranthus wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

I don't agree with your logic. Assuming you may not be an American citizen the traffic laws in the United States allow people to have the "right of way". The person that has the "right of way" has the ownership of that lane.
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You're not in America though. You're in the fictional world of Tamriel in a computer/console. And if you think being American gives you certain rights over others, it doesn't.

Maybe his grind spot is on a highway near.... Wait, there are no highways in ESO...

LOL

Tavore1138 · April 2018

Knowledge wrote: »

Fellow denizens of Tamriel I come to you with a plea for peace. Currently there is no etiquette regarding grind spots within Tamriel. Players grief others, take their spots, and invade their much needed XP sources out of pure maliciousness or simply because they don't understand how XP works within this game.

Some important points before I go further:
Any more than two players tagging a monster lowers XP.

Two players in a party will receive slightly more XP than one.

Whilst tagging monsters a two man group is tagging you are hurting their XP and your own.

Moving on, it is very rude to invade other players grind spots when they were there before you. Please try to take a careful survey of the area for massive amounts of corpses and run the route to determine if that spot is indeed taken. It is bad form to try and compete with other people who have time constraints and only wish to gain XP and enjoy the event. I say this now as the anniversary event approaches I hope the community has a better understanding and willful respect for each other's grind areas after reading this.

As a community, in order to enforce etiquette when grinding, we need to make it so the community at large frowns upon such behavior and that we, as a collective, set a precedent to discourage others from partaking in this harmful and upsetting activity. Guild leaders should warn their members to not engage in grind spot theft or competition if the spot was previously taken. In addition, those that have been offended by a grind spot thief should seek that players guild leader through some means.

It is important that we remember there are tons of grind spots in this game and an instanced one if all else fails which is Skyreach Catacombs. If you aren't prepared level or gear wise for Skyreach you may also take part in Dolmens which allow all raid members to gain XP that partake in the Dolmen activity.

Thank you and happy anniversary.

Wow, feel the lack of knowledge - most grind spots are not instanced and therefore are also going to be quest spots and people like you mindlessly looping through them and getting salty with people who are simply trying and complete their quest objective one of the things that puts new players off this game.

A civil person doesn't expect to claim ownership of part of an open game, a civil person respects that every landmass in this game is filled with quest areas and people trying to achieve quest objectives. Sheesh....

Mureel · April 2018

Hallothiel wrote: »

Fully aware this is a troll post but as they are being so insistent on their 'rights' & polite behaviour I felt had to pitch in

I hate those who grind. To me, who levels via questing, you are some of the most annoying idiots out there. There is nothing worse than getting to an area & seeing corpses everywhere as my heart sinks & I know that I'm going to have to deal with idiots. This Is worse if need to kill some if the mobs to progress the quest.

If you must grind, please go to Skywatch Skyreach! You can grind there without interruption to your heart's content. Everyone wins

Fixed.

Captain8504 · April 2018

This is about as useless as people complaining about going into pvp to do pve stuff and getting killed. Its a grind spot people are going to be there regardless if you've been there all day by yourself or with another person. If its popular, it will have tons of people.

The only thing that pisses me off about grind spots are the people that doesn't know how to pull all the enemies. They only pull only half or 1 to 2 enemies and mess up the rotations.

Aurielle · April 2018

People still squabble about grind spots when Skyreach exists? Mmkay.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · April 2018

this thread is the same as people that don't know how to CC break in PvP then they come here to complain stamblades are op...

Minyassa · April 2018

Kalgert wrote: »

I do not believe that was stated in your original post. If you started woth the story of "Oh people are dragging my XP away", then the discussion would roll out differently....

Yeah, to someone who does not grind for XP, the original post came off kind of giving me the impression that if I want, for instance, to do a slayer deed and someone's already at the prime spot for that, I'm supposed to not do it because I might harm their optimal xp intake. That just sounds kind of jerky. I'm not into dragging mobs into a big crowd to kill them all at once, or trying to rush up ahead of people to kill things all by myself as if there's some reason I'll miss out on something if they tap it (like a LOT of people that I see doing that in delves, the jerks). I just want to go to the place with the things and kill the things until the game says I'm done killing the things, and move on. I don't want to have to take a number to do that just because someone wants to minmax their xp intake and for some reason isn't doing it in Skyreach. I'm pretty sure I can't grind bandits or bears in Skyreach. And I'm going to get the killing stroke enough times to make it still worth my while even if I'm sharing those mobs with other people. I don't prioritize my finishing my stuff faster over other people getting to work on theirs at all. We're all here to play.

JJBoomer · April 2018

The bottom line I see here is that this is a game. And none of us actually own anything in it. Why? Because it all really belongs to ZOS at the end of the day and could be taken away at a moment's notice.

No one owns spots in Tamriel. Not unless you have somehow hacked the coding which prevents people from spawning in your spots, which would be a massive violation of the ToS anyway.

I have a mat harvesting route. I've been doing the same one for over a year. And I do it regardless if there are others trying to do the same route. As far as I'm concerned, it's a race. Whose gonna get to that node first, me or you? Is that rude? I personally don't think so. But I also don't tell people to get off the route I'm doing. So if I miss out on nodes? Oh well for me, onto the next one then.

Same goes for grinding imo. If someone else shows up at the spot you're in and starts doing it too, you can either move onto another spot or share the spot. When people grab nodes on the route that I do, I don't go off on them or demand they respect "my nodes" because that's just ridiculous lol

Merlin13KAGL · April 2018

I don't know when exactly you decided to appoint yourself, but you should stop.

Regarding your thread - find an instance, or all is fair. It's an MMO. No one 'owns' the mobs.

srfrogg23 · April 2018

Hmm... “plea to the community” threads never work.

As far as “grind spots” go, they’re not marked. Quest objectives are. If you think an area is “your grind spot”, I can assure you that it’s all in your head.

Considering that I will occasionally go out questing for a relaxed night of gaming, I have no qualms about “leeching exp”. I’m trying to get a quest done, and I’ve got someone running around in circles killing every enemy in the area. Some of those I need, many I just want for my half-pence.

Whatever the case may be, if I’m there, I’m gonna tag a few and walk out slightly richer than I was before. Not my problem if “grinders” don’t like it. The game was not built around grinding.

Learn to share. Or, don’t. Not my problem.

VexingArcanist · April 2018

If you are grinding in the open world deal with it. You may think "We were here first" but you were not. I've been "first" and others join in, it's open world and I deal with it. Do you know why? Because someone else may have been there before me and had to port to sell/repair/afk. It's an MMO, massively MULTIPLAYER! The same line I get when I want to do things alone is the same line you get from me when you think you OWN something.

You are NOT entitled to exclusivity in the OPEN world. You want that? Go to skyreach.

Done.

Anhedonie · April 2018

Rule number 1: Everyone on the grindspot is a ***, except for me.

Merlin13KAGL · April 2018

Enslaved wrote: »

Baranthus wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

I don't agree with your logic. Assuming you may not be an American citizen the traffic laws in the United States allow people to have the "right of way". The person that has the "right of way" has the ownership of that lane.
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You're not in America though. You're in the fictional world of Tamriel in a computer/console. And if you think being American gives you certain rights over others, it doesn't.

Maybe his grind spot is on a highway near.... Wait, there are no highways in ESO...

Doesn't matter anyway, it's an asinine analogy.

Right-of-way doesn't mean you get to park in the intersection and impede any traffic that follows. You 'own it' long enough to get the hell out of the way. Nothing more.

Additionally, if the OP were even mildly concerned about etiquette or widely acceptable behavior, threads like these would cease to exist.

Behavior is defined in the ToS, not by some self appointed rep's opinion.

EDIT: And for the record, more than two players tagging a mob doesn't lower XP. More than two players grouped, tagging a mob lowers XP. You have to get a certain percentage of damage/healing/blocking in to get 'kill credit,' and thus XP and loot. Another individual happening to be nearby doesn't change that.

The only way this becomes an 'issue' is if there are more than a certain number of people involved (See TG double drop world-boss farming, as an example) or if someone is screwing up the pulls.

If someone's faster than you, that's not a lack of courtesy, but rather a lack of build optimization on your end. They're not obligated to wait for you to arrive before killing the next set of mobs.

In fact, by your own definition, since they're ahead of you and you are the one showing up after, I'd say you're the one affecting their grind at that point, and you should therefore courteously leave.

I don't recall seeing "Dibbs" anywhere in the ToS. Follow your own advice.

Stewart1874 · April 2018

I've been saying for a while, ZoS is money hungry AF yet refuse to offer an instant level up to 50 via the crown store. Utterly ridiculous wasted opportunity IMO.

As for grind etiquette, sure it would be nice if folk left you to it and its frustrating when folk come in and *** it up but ultimately its public domain so deal with it.

Grendel_at_ESO · April 2018

You're wasting your virtual breath, gaming etiquette is gone these days. I played DAOC for 8 years and in all that time I could probably count how many times someone leeched my camp and it wasn't even against the rules, it was just an unwritten rule the game community made up. Actually attacking a mob that you were fighting was a bannable offense though and there were in game admins you could contact who would immediately punish the offender. In 8 years I had to do that once.
I just started playing ESO again after about two years and nothing has changed, every single time I'm fighting a mob near another player they always attack it as well. If I am opening a chest they rush over and try to steal it from me, same with resource nodes. If I see anyone even going near one of these things I just pass by.
No ethics at all these days unfortunately.

VexingArcanist · April 2018

I'm gonna return to this topic to lay out some additional subjective info. In my experience grinding a certain location I noticed rather quickly the respawn rate went up a very high degree based on the number of players in the area. I actually had much better gains due to this, I never experienced a per kill decline based on more players in the area tagging the same mobs. The only time I had any issue is when someone would rush ahead intentioinally and they were so "end game" the mobs would melt before I could even tag them. This and the player who really just wants to disrupt any and everyone by rushing around doing this in a chaotic non-pattern way.

In any case I deal with what I consider rudeness. Most of the time though people aren't being rude, they are playing the same game you are, you are just focused on doing it as if it's your sandbox and it irks you that the fact is, it isn't your sandbox.

Do you take your kids to the play ground and when other kids show up shew them off cause you were there first?

L O L

VaranisArano · April 2018

The community can't even agree on something like "hey, when you open a chest, empty everything from it so other people don't have to deal with your left behind trash."

Atrempting to enforce standards of etiquette on an MMO community is probably doomed. But by all means, Knowledge, keep tilting at your windmills.

pshift · April 2018

It's just a game, wtf. If you want a single-player experience play a single-player game. This is an MMO, there's always going to be people running around and possibly doing stuff that annoys you. Get over yourself.

AlnilamE · April 2018

I disagree with the notion that there are "grind spots" in this game.

Every single area, from Skyreach to Cracked Wood Cave is a quest objective and people on the quest are free to go about them as they wish.

If you are really that concerned about people "leeching" your XP, then you can go to Skyreach, Maelstrom Arena or Dragonstar. They are all pretty good XP and completely instanced.

Grendel_at_ESO wrote: »

You're wasting your virtual breath, gaming etiquette is gone these days. I played DAOC for 8 years and in all that time I could probably count how many times someone leeched my camp and it wasn't even against the rules, it was just an unwritten rule the game community made up. Actually attacking a mob that you were fighting was a bannable offense though and there were in game admins you could contact who would immediately punish the offender. In 8 years I had to do that once.
I just started playing ESO again after about two years and nothing has changed, every single time I'm fighting a mob near another player they always attack it as well. If I am opening a chest they rush over and try to steal it from me, same with resource nodes. If I see anyone even going near one of these things I just pass by.
No ethics at all these days unfortunately.

I have not played DAOC, so I don't know how XP worked there, but in ESO if someone comes by and helps you kill a mob, you are not losing anything by them doing it. You still get your loot and your XP and they get some as well.

It's one of the things I like about ESO. That you can stop and help people as you go along your way.

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Anotherone773 · April 2018

No, learn to share. This is an MMO. Learn to play with others and that they are just as entitled to any content in this game as you are. Its that simple.

People need to stop being so selfish and self entitled. That is the real problem. L2PWO

Kuramas9tails · April 2018

Although I understand your position, not everyone will follow or pick up on the unwritten rules. I was zombie farming all weekend to level up with double XP and there are a lot of people who pick up on the unwritten rules of zombie farming. There will be outliers but they learn fast, leave or just questing. Other than that it is every player for themselves and you can not tell or expect anything more or less. Humans don't work like that.

Emma_Overload · April 2018

OP could always try grinding in a PvP area, then he could just kill any competing grinders! You need to have alts in at least 2 factions for this to work, though.

Alternatively, he could try to get ahead of the grinders and frustrate them by killing mobs before they do. This will result in salty whispers, but eventually the other grinders will move on to another spot.

Emmagoldman · April 2018

Im sorry, but if during an xp event, you believe that you and a friend can hold a grind spot for yourselves, then you are being selfish.

griffkhalifa · April 2018

Knowledge wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

Frankly if its open to the public, it is free game.

How bout you turn that frown upside down and make it a positive? I've met quite a few friends from grinding spots where we grouped up.

This argument that more than 2 people lowers xp forgets a huge part: yeah the xp is lesser, but you're killing mobs faster also.

So hows about next time instead of whining, you shoot that random a group invite and grind together? Even if it is more than 2 people?

How's that for etiquette?

Perhaps your idea is sound with the caveat that all parties be consensual to the additional person or persons now striking your monsters. If you were already there the etiquette would dictate that you have the ownership of the route and if you'd like to invite them that's great but they should ask and you should be the one to consent.

If consent is not given I don't think they should be able to proceed and violate your grind spot.

See, there's your problem. You think you own it. You don't. Nobody has a claim on overland.

You'd be much happier and would have more fun if you could just share.

I don't agree with your logic. Assuming you may not be an American citizen the traffic laws in the United States allow people to have the "right of way". The person that has the "right of way" has the ownership of that lane.

Another example would be public spaces. If you or I are standing in a spot it wouldn't be legal to try and occupy the spot you are standing in by moving you away from it or just body pushing you out of it as you have lease or temporary ownership of it.

Just the same if an individual is using the restroom and it is a public restroom you do not use the same urinal or toilet they do since it's "public" but have the etiquette to allow them temporary occupancy of said facility.

Bro. You're taking this way too seriously. You're comparing traffic laws to a video game. If someone purchased the game they have every right to go fight whichever mobs wherever they want, regardless if you're in the same place. If you want to be left alone go to a dungeon like Skyreach.

Grendel_at_ESO · April 2018

AlnilamE wrote: »

I have not played DAOC, so I don't know how XP worked there, but in ESO if someone comes by and helps you kill a mob, you are not losing anything by them doing it. You still get your loot and your XP and they get some as well.

It's one of the things I like about ESO. That you can stop and help people as you go along your way.

It was much more of a grinding game and attacking a mob someone was fighting drained a lot if not most of the XP depending on who did the most damage. Quests were more for either gear or just for something to do for those that like that kind of stuff so the camp etiquette came about due to that. Quests were also much harder than now, you had to remember things, write them down and figure out vague clues to get to the next step or location. Most people knew not to grind mobs that were needed for quests and if they were, all you had to do was let whoever was there know you needed a quest mob and the vast majority of the time they'd let you have it or even help you because like a lot of older games like DAOC actually used to be hard and you may need help even killing trash mobs. Or if you were solo and pulling single mobs from a large camp you'd often share a camp with other solos.
It was just a much more community driven game than this is, this is like playing a single player game in comparison, you needed help to do just about anything in DAOC, at least in the early years, and you had unique classes that needed each other to get things done, some did damage, some healed and some buffed.
So that colours my view of people jumping on any trash mob I'm fighting to leech XP, since that what it is, it's not helping when you can kill mobs in a few seconds non-stop and your health barely ever drops. So perhaps I'm not losing anything from it but I just find it irritating.

Aeslief · April 2018

I do not acknowledge any location in this game is a ‘grind spot,’ let alone that it can be claimed by players who don’t want to share. Courtesy is one thing, but trying to control how other people play, to your own advantage, is entirely another. By all means, grind if you want to, but understand that not everyone plays that way. You can’t impose your ‘stay away from MY mobs’ mentality on other players who are also just trying to do their own thing.

You might as well tell people to leave ‘your’ dolmen alone.