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Grind spot etiquette.
Knowledge
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Fellow denizens of Tamriel I come to you with a plea for peace. Currently there is no etiquette regarding grind spots within Tamriel. Players grief others, take their spots, and invade their much needed XP sources out of pure maliciousness or simply because they don't understand how XP works within this game.
Some important points before I go further:
Moving on, it is very rude to invade other players grind spots when they were there before you. Please try to take a careful survey of the area for massive amounts of corpses and run the route to determine if that spot is indeed taken. It is bad form to try and compete with other people who have time constraints and only wish to gain XP and enjoy the event. I say this now as the anniversary event approaches I hope the community has a better understanding and willful respect for each other's grind areas after reading this.
As a community, in order to enforce etiquette when grinding, we need to make it so the community at large frowns upon such behavior and that we, as a collective, set a precedent to discourage others from partaking in this harmful and upsetting activity. Guild leaders should warn their members to not engage in grind spot theft or competition if the spot was previously taken. In addition, those that have been offended by a grind spot thief should seek that players guild leader through some means.
It is important that we remember there are tons of grind spots in this game and an instanced one if all else fails which is Skyreach Catacombs. If you aren't prepared level or gear wise for Skyreach you may also take part in Dolmens which allow all raid members to gain XP that partake in the Dolmen activity.
Thank you and happy anniversary.
Some important points before I go further:
- Any more than two players tagging a monster lowers XP.
- Two players in a party will receive slightly more XP than one.
- Whilst tagging monsters a two man group is tagging you are hurting their XP and your own.
Moving on, it is very rude to invade other players grind spots when they were there before you. Please try to take a careful survey of the area for massive amounts of corpses and run the route to determine if that spot is indeed taken. It is bad form to try and compete with other people who have time constraints and only wish to gain XP and enjoy the event. I say this now as the anniversary event approaches I hope the community has a better understanding and willful respect for each other's grind areas after reading this.
As a community, in order to enforce etiquette when grinding, we need to make it so the community at large frowns upon such behavior and that we, as a collective, set a precedent to discourage others from partaking in this harmful and upsetting activity. Guild leaders should warn their members to not engage in grind spot theft or competition if the spot was previously taken. In addition, those that have been offended by a grind spot thief should seek that players guild leader through some means.
It is important that we remember there are tons of grind spots in this game and an instanced one if all else fails which is Skyreach Catacombs. If you aren't prepared level or gear wise for Skyreach you may also take part in Dolmens which allow all raid members to gain XP that partake in the Dolmen activity.
Thank you and happy anniversary.
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Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The thing is that while I think that it's douchy to leech xp, those mobs don't have my name on them and I am not entitled to them. (But those leechers are still ***) skyreach is my go to now to avoid xp leechers.
Generally if you leech xp or leech resource nodes/chests while someone's fighting, you are a *** but it isn't against the rulesEdited by Aliyavana on April 2, 2018 7:38AM8 -
Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
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Its not against the rules to steal xp but doesn't mean you should in other words2 -
Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
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Its not against the rules to steal xp but doesn't mean you should in other words
Hm, I am not sure you and I can agree then.1 -
AlienatedGoat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Frankly if its open to the public, it is free game.
How bout you turn that frown upside down and make it a positive? I've met quite a few friends from grinding spots where we grouped up.
This argument that more than 2 people lowers xp forgets a huge part: yeah the xp is lesser, but you're killing mobs faster also.
So hows about next time instead of whining, you shoot that random a group invite and grind together? Even if it is more than 2 people?
How's that for etiquette?PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaah30 -
phaneub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If I cross paths with a large group of mobs, I'm going to try to hit it since everyone gets their own loot. I don't care about experience, it's just free stuff rolling my way.11 -
rustic_potato✭✭✭✭✭So there are certain overworld spots that give comparable XP/hour to a skilled skyreach carry. It is just numbers after a point.
If a spot gives me a certain XP/hour even if I'm leeching off another group and moving to the next best spot would give me less XP/hour I honestly wouldn't care about etiquette. I'm doing the most efficient thing for me.
Any one can kill any mob that is not in an instanced setting. These etiquette rules might sound fancy but wont work.I play how I want to.6 -
Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭Frankly if its open to the public, it is free game.
How bout you turn that frown upside down and make it a positive? I've met quite a few friends from grinding spots where we grouped up.
This argument that more than 2 people lowers xp forgets a huge part: yeah the xp is lesser, but you're killing mobs faster also.
So hows about next time instead of whining, you shoot that random a group invite and grind together? Even if it is more than 2 people?
How's that for etiquette?
Perhaps your idea is sound with the caveat that all parties be consensual to the additional person or persons now striking your monsters. If you were already there the etiquette would dictate that you have the ownership of the route and if you'd like to invite them that's great but they should ask and you should be the one to consent.
If consent is not given I don't think they should be able to proceed and violate your grind spot.0 -
AlienatedGoat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Frankly if its open to the public, it is free game.
How bout you turn that frown upside down and make it a positive? I've met quite a few friends from grinding spots where we grouped up.
This argument that more than 2 people lowers xp forgets a huge part: yeah the xp is lesser, but you're killing mobs faster also.
So hows about next time instead of whining, you shoot that random a group invite and grind together? Even if it is more than 2 people?
How's that for etiquette?
Perhaps your idea is sound with the caveat that all parties be consensual to the additional person or persons now striking your monsters. If you were already there the etiquette would dictate that you have the ownership of the route and if you'd like to invite them that's great but they should ask and you should be the one to consent.
If consent is not given I don't think they should be able to proceed and violate your grind spot.
See, there's your problem. You think you own it. You don't. Nobody has a claim on overland.
You'd be much happier and would have more fun if you could just share.PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaah31 -
FloppyTouch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭If you been grinding there for a long time and someone comes maybe it's you that should leave and let others play.14 -
Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭Frankly if its open to the public, it is free game.
How bout you turn that frown upside down and make it a positive? I've met quite a few friends from grinding spots where we grouped up.
This argument that more than 2 people lowers xp forgets a huge part: yeah the xp is lesser, but you're killing mobs faster also.
So hows about next time instead of whining, you shoot that random a group invite and grind together? Even if it is more than 2 people?
How's that for etiquette?
Perhaps your idea is sound with the caveat that all parties be consensual to the additional person or persons now striking your monsters. If you were already there the etiquette would dictate that you have the ownership of the route and if you'd like to invite them that's great but they should ask and you should be the one to consent.
If consent is not given I don't think they should be able to proceed and violate your grind spot.
See, there's your problem. You think you own it. You don't. Nobody has a claim on overland.
You'd be much happier and would have more fun if you could just share.
I don't agree with your logic. Assuming you may not be an American citizen the traffic laws in the United States allow people to have the "right of way". The person that has the "right of way" has the ownership of that lane.
Another example would be public spaces. If you or I are standing in a spot it wouldn't be legal to try and occupy the spot you are standing in by moving you away from it or just body pushing you out of it as you have lease or temporary ownership of it.
Just the same if an individual is using the restroom and it is a public restroom you do not use the same urinal or toilet they do since it's "public" but have the etiquette to allow them temporary occupancy of said facility.0 -
Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭FloppyTouch wrote: »If you been grinding there for a long time and someone comes maybe it's you that should leave and let others play.
Perhaps but shouldn't you and your friend or friends have the right to consent?0 -
AlienatedGoat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Frankly if its open to the public, it is free game.
How bout you turn that frown upside down and make it a positive? I've met quite a few friends from grinding spots where we grouped up.
This argument that more than 2 people lowers xp forgets a huge part: yeah the xp is lesser, but you're killing mobs faster also.
So hows about next time instead of whining, you shoot that random a group invite and grind together? Even if it is more than 2 people?
How's that for etiquette?
Perhaps your idea is sound with the caveat that all parties be consensual to the additional person or persons now striking your monsters. If you were already there the etiquette would dictate that you have the ownership of the route and if you'd like to invite them that's great but they should ask and you should be the one to consent.
If consent is not given I don't think they should be able to proceed and violate your grind spot.
See, there's your problem. You think you own it. You don't. Nobody has a claim on overland.
You'd be much happier and would have more fun if you could just share.
I don't agree with your logic. Assuming you may not be an American citizen the traffic laws in the United States allow people to have the "right of way". The person that has the "right of way" has the ownership of that lane.
Another example would be public spaces. If you or I are standing in a spot it wouldn't be legal to try and occupy the spot you are standing in by moving you away from it or just body pushing you out of it as you have lease or temporary ownership of it.
Just the same if an individual is using the restroom and it is a public restroom you do not use the same urinal or toilet they do since it's "public" but have the etiquette to allow them temporary occupancy of said facility.
Born and raised Texan goat.
Just like if I go to a park to graze and there are other people there, we all share the space and are civil.
Same courtesy applies here. It's not your space. It's a shared space.
Gotta learn to share it.PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaah9 -
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✭✭✭✭Grinding etiquette- Tag all
- 12% XP is way better than 0% XP
- Don't group up if in public area, its waste of XP
- If you grind XP without vendor and quick sell addons, joke is on you
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Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭Frankly if its open to the public, it is free game.
How bout you turn that frown upside down and make it a positive? I've met quite a few friends from grinding spots where we grouped up.
This argument that more than 2 people lowers xp forgets a huge part: yeah the xp is lesser, but you're killing mobs faster also.
So hows about next time instead of whining, you shoot that random a group invite and grind together? Even if it is more than 2 people?
How's that for etiquette?
Perhaps your idea is sound with the caveat that all parties be consensual to the additional person or persons now striking your monsters. If you were already there the etiquette would dictate that you have the ownership of the route and if you'd like to invite them that's great but they should ask and you should be the one to consent.
If consent is not given I don't think they should be able to proceed and violate your grind spot.
See, there's your problem. You think you own it. You don't. Nobody has a claim on overland.
You'd be much happier and would have more fun if you could just share.
I don't agree with your logic. Assuming you may not be an American citizen the traffic laws in the United States allow people to have the "right of way". The person that has the "right of way" has the ownership of that lane.
Another example would be public spaces. If you or I are standing in a spot it wouldn't be legal to try and occupy the spot you are standing in by moving you away from it or just body pushing you out of it as you have lease or temporary ownership of it.
Just the same if an individual is using the restroom and it is a public restroom you do not use the same urinal or toilet they do since it's "public" but have the etiquette to allow them temporary occupancy of said facility.
Born and raised Texan goat.
Just like if I go to a park to graze and there are other people there, we all share the space and are civil.
Same courtesy applies here. It's not your space. It's a shared space.
Gotta learn to share it.
Let me pose another example. Assuming you went to the gym in the past or had a membership at some point. Maybe you simply just went in highschool or college but that's not relevant. if you are using the bench press or using the treadmill as you may or may not have you would then have occupancy of said treadmill.
No one would have the right to occupy that treadmill with you until you gave it up willingly, the owner asked you to leave, or you had finished utilizing it to lose weight or strengthen your body.0 -
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Its not against the rules to steal xp but doesn't mean you should in other words
If you're dealing with competent grinders, you're not really losing out on XP. XP isn't a finite resource, there is plenty to go around. An extra fourth or eight player will cause a slight penalty, but the size of your stack 'n burns will also increase, meaning even though you're getting less XP per kill, you're still getting vastly more from the sheer damage your party can put out. (Depending on DPS, the exact point that this will become a detriment varies.) Far more annoying are the players who can't figure out what a stack is and keep breaking them up before you can finish a pull.2 -
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✭✭✭I don't grind mobs and I really don't care about people who grind mobs. If I am questing in an area or doing dailies, I will kill mobs.
I am guessing the OP is only concerned with people who are also grinding mobs.4 -
AlienatedGoat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Frankly if its open to the public, it is free game.
How bout you turn that frown upside down and make it a positive? I've met quite a few friends from grinding spots where we grouped up.
This argument that more than 2 people lowers xp forgets a huge part: yeah the xp is lesser, but you're killing mobs faster also.
So hows about next time instead of whining, you shoot that random a group invite and grind together? Even if it is more than 2 people?
How's that for etiquette?
Perhaps your idea is sound with the caveat that all parties be consensual to the additional person or persons now striking your monsters. If you were already there the etiquette would dictate that you have the ownership of the route and if you'd like to invite them that's great but they should ask and you should be the one to consent.
If consent is not given I don't think they should be able to proceed and violate your grind spot.
See, there's your problem. You think you own it. You don't. Nobody has a claim on overland.
You'd be much happier and would have more fun if you could just share.
I don't agree with your logic. Assuming you may not be an American citizen the traffic laws in the United States allow people to have the "right of way". The person that has the "right of way" has the ownership of that lane.
Another example would be public spaces. If you or I are standing in a spot it wouldn't be legal to try and occupy the spot you are standing in by moving you away from it or just body pushing you out of it as you have lease or temporary ownership of it.
Just the same if an individual is using the restroom and it is a public restroom you do not use the same urinal or toilet they do since it's "public" but have the etiquette to allow them temporary occupancy of said facility.
Born and raised Texan goat.
Just like if I go to a park to graze and there are other people there, we all share the space and are civil.
Same courtesy applies here. It's not your space. It's a shared space.
Gotta learn to share it.
Let me pose another example. Assuming you went to the gym in the past or had a membership at some point. Maybe you simply just went in highschool or college but that's not relevant. if you are using the bench press or using the treadmill as you may or may not have you would then have occupancy of said treadmill.
No one would have the right to occupy that treadmill with you until you gave it up willingly, the owner asked you to leave, or you had finished utilizing it to lose weight or strengthen your body.
Except grinding xp in a public area and working out on a one-person machine are two very different things.
A better example would be the gym pool. You'd have to share that pool.
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rustic_potato✭✭✭✭✭Frankly if its open to the public, it is free game.
How bout you turn that frown upside down and make it a positive? I've met quite a few friends from grinding spots where we grouped up.
This argument that more than 2 people lowers xp forgets a huge part: yeah the xp is lesser, but you're killing mobs faster also.
So hows about next time instead of whining, you shoot that random a group invite and grind together? Even if it is more than 2 people?
How's that for etiquette?
Perhaps your idea is sound with the caveat that all parties be consensual to the additional person or persons now striking your monsters. If you were already there the etiquette would dictate that you have the ownership of the route and if you'd like to invite them that's great but they should ask and you should be the one to consent.
If consent is not given I don't think they should be able to proceed and violate your grind spot.
See, there's your problem. You think you own it. You don't. Nobody has a claim on overland.
You'd be much happier and would have more fun if you could just share.
I don't agree with your logic. Assuming you may not be an American citizen the traffic laws in the United States allow people to have the "right of way". The person that has the "right of way" has the ownership of that lane.
Another example would be public spaces. If you or I are standing in a spot it wouldn't be legal to try and occupy the spot you are standing in by moving you away from it or just body pushing you out of it as you have lease or temporary ownership of it.
Just the same if an individual is using the restroom and it is a public restroom you do not use the same urinal or toilet they do since it's "public" but have the etiquette to allow them temporary occupancy of said facility.
Born and raised Texan goat.
Just like if I go to a park to graze and there are other people there, we all share the space and are civil.
Same courtesy applies here. It's not your space. It's a shared space.
Gotta learn to share it.
Let me pose another example. Assuming you went to the gym in the past or had a membership at some point. Maybe you simply just went in highschool or college but that's not relevant. if you are using the bench press or using the treadmill as you may or may not have you would then have occupancy of said treadmill.
No one would have the right to occupy that treadmill with you until you gave it up willingly, the owner asked you to leave, or you had finished utilizing it to lose weight or strengthen your body.
Lol it is a game, start treating it like one. If anyone is allowed to kill a NPC mob there is nothing stopping people from doing it. We need less rules not more stupidity. As I mentioned before I play this game for my enjoyment not for the greater good. Enforcing greater good ideas in a game sounds kinda counterproductive.I play how I want to.5 -
bongtokin420insd16✭✭✭✭I'm all for etiquette, but the point has been made that i don't own the spot and that's very true.
I have a thief run, a resource run, etc that i love, plus a few spots i grind, but they are good spots, and i am often fighting for them. it is what it is. I have backup spots too, so it isn't a huge deal if i come across someone else using them, i can move on. Or, go to something else for the time being and come back later. They wont be there forever.
Bottomline, i could be a jerk and grief those that are around, but i don't, even when they grief me. Everyone thinks they are first and entitled, so your never really going to win. You may show person A etiquette, but person C shows u none, so its a lose lose for you.
Like i said, my rule of thumb is to have no agenda set in stone. There's always something fun and useful to do if you aren't hung up on one activity. That's just me though. I do applaud the OP for introducing a dialogue about the issue though as i always think ingame politeness can be improved.Kaz_Wastelander PS4NA2 -
TarrNokk✭✭✭✭Demanding "Grind etiquette" is ridiculous.
This is an mmorpg, so it happens that in many spots are lots of players. AND it shows, the game is healthy. We should be glad about this fact. If mobs appear, kill them. If resources appear, loot them. The one thats first, gets the loot.
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Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭Frankly if its open to the public, it is free game.
How bout you turn that frown upside down and make it a positive? I've met quite a few friends from grinding spots where we grouped up.
This argument that more than 2 people lowers xp forgets a huge part: yeah the xp is lesser, but you're killing mobs faster also.
So hows about next time instead of whining, you shoot that random a group invite and grind together? Even if it is more than 2 people?
How's that for etiquette?
Perhaps your idea is sound with the caveat that all parties be consensual to the additional person or persons now striking your monsters. If you were already there the etiquette would dictate that you have the ownership of the route and if you'd like to invite them that's great but they should ask and you should be the one to consent.
If consent is not given I don't think they should be able to proceed and violate your grind spot.
See, there's your problem. You think you own it. You don't. Nobody has a claim on overland.
You'd be much happier and would have more fun if you could just share.
I don't agree with your logic. Assuming you may not be an American citizen the traffic laws in the United States allow people to have the "right of way". The person that has the "right of way" has the ownership of that lane.
Another example would be public spaces. If you or I are standing in a spot it wouldn't be legal to try and occupy the spot you are standing in by moving you away from it or just body pushing you out of it as you have lease or temporary ownership of it.
Just the same if an individual is using the restroom and it is a public restroom you do not use the same urinal or toilet they do since it's "public" but have the etiquette to allow them temporary occupancy of said facility.
Born and raised Texan goat.
Just like if I go to a park to graze and there are other people there, we all share the space and are civil.
Same courtesy applies here. It's not your space. It's a shared space.
Gotta learn to share it.
Let me pose another example. Assuming you went to the gym in the past or had a membership at some point. Maybe you simply just went in highschool or college but that's not relevant. if you are using the bench press or using the treadmill as you may or may not have you would then have occupancy of said treadmill.
No one would have the right to occupy that treadmill with you until you gave it up willingly, the owner asked you to leave, or you had finished utilizing it to lose weight or strengthen your body.
Except grinding xp in a public area and working out on a one-person machine are two very different things.
A better example would be the gym pool. You'd have to share that pool.
I think you're applying backwards courtesy. If you've ever been in a gym pool you would understand that each person has a lane. While someone is occupying that lane they have temporary ownership or lease of it.
If you ever decide to get a gym membership or visit your local YMCA you should check out how it works. You can't swim on top of each other.
There is a reason why we say things like "Excuse me", in the grocery store. We don't just push our way through stating "You must learn to share".
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AlienatedGoat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Frankly if its open to the public, it is free game.
How bout you turn that frown upside down and make it a positive? I've met quite a few friends from grinding spots where we grouped up.
This argument that more than 2 people lowers xp forgets a huge part: yeah the xp is lesser, but you're killing mobs faster also.
So hows about next time instead of whining, you shoot that random a group invite and grind together? Even if it is more than 2 people?
How's that for etiquette?
Perhaps your idea is sound with the caveat that all parties be consensual to the additional person or persons now striking your monsters. If you were already there the etiquette would dictate that you have the ownership of the route and if you'd like to invite them that's great but they should ask and you should be the one to consent.
If consent is not given I don't think they should be able to proceed and violate your grind spot.
See, there's your problem. You think you own it. You don't. Nobody has a claim on overland.
You'd be much happier and would have more fun if you could just share.
I don't agree with your logic. Assuming you may not be an American citizen the traffic laws in the United States allow people to have the "right of way". The person that has the "right of way" has the ownership of that lane.
Another example would be public spaces. If you or I are standing in a spot it wouldn't be legal to try and occupy the spot you are standing in by moving you away from it or just body pushing you out of it as you have lease or temporary ownership of it.
Just the same if an individual is using the restroom and it is a public restroom you do not use the same urinal or toilet they do since it's "public" but have the etiquette to allow them temporary occupancy of said facility.
Born and raised Texan goat.
Just like if I go to a park to graze and there are other people there, we all share the space and are civil.
Same courtesy applies here. It's not your space. It's a shared space.
Gotta learn to share it.
Let me pose another example. Assuming you went to the gym in the past or had a membership at some point. Maybe you simply just went in highschool or college but that's not relevant. if you are using the bench press or using the treadmill as you may or may not have you would then have occupancy of said treadmill.
No one would have the right to occupy that treadmill with you until you gave it up willingly, the owner asked you to leave, or you had finished utilizing it to lose weight or strengthen your body.
Except grinding xp in a public area and working out on a one-person machine are two very different things.
A better example would be the gym pool. You'd have to share that pool.
I think you're applying backwards courtesy. If you've ever been in a gym pool you would understand that each person has a lane. While someone is occupying that lane they have temporary ownership or lease of it.
If you ever decide to get a gym membership or visit your local YMCA you should check out how it works. You can't swim on top of each other.
There is a reason why we say things like "Excuse me", in the grocery store. We don't just push our way through stating "You must learn to share".
You still gotta share that pool, lanes or no (yes, some have no lanes).
Public space, public courtesy.
You'd seriously have a better time if you saw it that way. Stop trying to make others conform to your expectations. Just roll with it.PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaah5 -
Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭Frankly if its open to the public, it is free game.
How bout you turn that frown upside down and make it a positive? I've met quite a few friends from grinding spots where we grouped up.
This argument that more than 2 people lowers xp forgets a huge part: yeah the xp is lesser, but you're killing mobs faster also.
So hows about next time instead of whining, you shoot that random a group invite and grind together? Even if it is more than 2 people?
How's that for etiquette?
Perhaps your idea is sound with the caveat that all parties be consensual to the additional person or persons now striking your monsters. If you were already there the etiquette would dictate that you have the ownership of the route and if you'd like to invite them that's great but they should ask and you should be the one to consent.
If consent is not given I don't think they should be able to proceed and violate your grind spot.
See, there's your problem. You think you own it. You don't. Nobody has a claim on overland.
You'd be much happier and would have more fun if you could just share.
I don't agree with your logic. Assuming you may not be an American citizen the traffic laws in the United States allow people to have the "right of way". The person that has the "right of way" has the ownership of that lane.
Another example would be public spaces. If you or I are standing in a spot it wouldn't be legal to try and occupy the spot you are standing in by moving you away from it or just body pushing you out of it as you have lease or temporary ownership of it.
Just the same if an individual is using the restroom and it is a public restroom you do not use the same urinal or toilet they do since it's "public" but have the etiquette to allow them temporary occupancy of said facility.
Born and raised Texan goat.
Just like if I go to a park to graze and there are other people there, we all share the space and are civil.
Same courtesy applies here. It's not your space. It's a shared space.
Gotta learn to share it.
Let me pose another example. Assuming you went to the gym in the past or had a membership at some point. Maybe you simply just went in highschool or college but that's not relevant. if you are using the bench press or using the treadmill as you may or may not have you would then have occupancy of said treadmill.
No one would have the right to occupy that treadmill with you until you gave it up willingly, the owner asked you to leave, or you had finished utilizing it to lose weight or strengthen your body.
Except grinding xp in a public area and working out on a one-person machine are two very different things.
A better example would be the gym pool. You'd have to share that pool.
I think you're applying backwards courtesy. If you've ever been in a gym pool you would understand that each person has a lane. While someone is occupying that lane they have temporary ownership or lease of it.
If you ever decide to get a gym membership or visit your local YMCA you should check out how it works. You can't swim on top of each other.
There is a reason why we say things like "Excuse me", in the grocery store. We don't just push our way through stating "You must learn to share".
You still gotta share that pool, lanes or no (yes, some have no lanes).
Public space, public courtesy.
You'd seriously have a better time if you saw it that way. Stop trying to make others conform to your expectations. Just roll with it.
Your understanding of courtesy is backwards and I am not trying to get anyone to conform. I am only suggesting that we be more polite and respectful to each other. I guess a better way of putting it is to have a bit of class.Edited by Knowledge on April 2, 2018 8:22AM0 -
AlienatedGoat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Frankly if its open to the public, it is free game.
How bout you turn that frown upside down and make it a positive? I've met quite a few friends from grinding spots where we grouped up.
This argument that more than 2 people lowers xp forgets a huge part: yeah the xp is lesser, but you're killing mobs faster also.
So hows about next time instead of whining, you shoot that random a group invite and grind together? Even if it is more than 2 people?
How's that for etiquette?
Perhaps your idea is sound with the caveat that all parties be consensual to the additional person or persons now striking your monsters. If you were already there the etiquette would dictate that you have the ownership of the route and if you'd like to invite them that's great but they should ask and you should be the one to consent.
If consent is not given I don't think they should be able to proceed and violate your grind spot.
See, there's your problem. You think you own it. You don't. Nobody has a claim on overland.
You'd be much happier and would have more fun if you could just share.
I don't agree with your logic. Assuming you may not be an American citizen the traffic laws in the United States allow people to have the "right of way". The person that has the "right of way" has the ownership of that lane.
Another example would be public spaces. If you or I are standing in a spot it wouldn't be legal to try and occupy the spot you are standing in by moving you away from it or just body pushing you out of it as you have lease or temporary ownership of it.
Just the same if an individual is using the restroom and it is a public restroom you do not use the same urinal or toilet they do since it's "public" but have the etiquette to allow them temporary occupancy of said facility.
Born and raised Texan goat.
Just like if I go to a park to graze and there are other people there, we all share the space and are civil.
Same courtesy applies here. It's not your space. It's a shared space.
Gotta learn to share it.
Let me pose another example. Assuming you went to the gym in the past or had a membership at some point. Maybe you simply just went in highschool or college but that's not relevant. if you are using the bench press or using the treadmill as you may or may not have you would then have occupancy of said treadmill.
No one would have the right to occupy that treadmill with you until you gave it up willingly, the owner asked you to leave, or you had finished utilizing it to lose weight or strengthen your body.
Except grinding xp in a public area and working out on a one-person machine are two very different things.
A better example would be the gym pool. You'd have to share that pool.
I think you're applying backwards courtesy. If you've ever been in a gym pool you would understand that each person has a lane. While someone is occupying that lane they have temporary ownership or lease of it.
If you ever decide to get a gym membership or visit your local YMCA you should check out how it works. You can't swim on top of each other.
There is a reason why we say things like "Excuse me", in the grocery store. We don't just push our way through stating "You must learn to share".
You still gotta share that pool, lanes or no (yes, some have no lanes).
Public space, public courtesy.
You'd seriously have a better time if you saw it that way. Stop trying to make others conform to your expectations. Just roll with it.
Your understanding of courtesy is backwards and I am not trying to get anyone to conform. I am only suggesting that we be more polite and respectful to each other. I guess a better way of putting it is to have a bit of class.
No, you are suggesting we police public areas for your benefit.PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaah14 -
Minyassa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Frankly if its open to the public, it is free game.
How bout you turn that frown upside down and make it a positive? I've met quite a few friends from grinding spots where we grouped up.
This argument that more than 2 people lowers xp forgets a huge part: yeah the xp is lesser, but you're killing mobs faster also.
So hows about next time instead of whining, you shoot that random a group invite and grind together? Even if it is more than 2 people?
How's that for etiquette?
Perhaps your idea is sound with the caveat that all parties be consensual to the additional person or persons now striking your monsters. If you were already there the etiquette would dictate that you have the ownership of the route and if you'd like to invite them that's great but they should ask and you should be the one to consent.
If consent is not given I don't think they should be able to proceed and violate your grind spot.
See, there's your problem. You think you own it. You don't. Nobody has a claim on overland.
You'd be much happier and would have more fun if you could just share.
I don't agree with your logic. Assuming you may not be an American citizen the traffic laws in the United States allow people to have the "right of way". The person that has the "right of way" has the ownership of that lane.
Another example would be public spaces. If you or I are standing in a spot it wouldn't be legal to try and occupy the spot you are standing in by moving you away from it or just body pushing you out of it as you have lease or temporary ownership of it.
Just the same if an individual is using the restroom and it is a public restroom you do not use the same urinal or toilet they do since it's "public" but have the etiquette to allow them temporary occupancy of said facility.
Born and raised Texan goat.
Just like if I go to a park to graze and there are other people there, we all share the space and are civil.
Same courtesy applies here. It's not your space. It's a shared space.
Gotta learn to share it.
Let me pose another example. Assuming you went to the gym in the past or had a membership at some point. Maybe you simply just went in highschool or college but that's not relevant. if you are using the bench press or using the treadmill as you may or may not have you would then have occupancy of said treadmill.
No one would have the right to occupy that treadmill with you until you gave it up willingly, the owner asked you to leave, or you had finished utilizing it to lose weight or strengthen your body.
Except grinding xp in a public area and working out on a one-person machine are two very different things.
A better example would be the gym pool. You'd have to share that pool.
I think you're applying backwards courtesy. If you've ever been in a gym pool you would understand that each person has a lane. While someone is occupying that lane they have temporary ownership or lease of it.
If you ever decide to get a gym membership or visit your local YMCA you should check out how it works. You can't swim on top of each other.
There is a reason why we say things like "Excuse me", in the grocery store. We don't just push our way through stating "You must learn to share".
I've had a Y membership with a pool. There is an area for lanes, and then an open area that everyone has to share. This is pretty standard as it is set up that way at all of the local Ys. I agree with Phage's view in that overland is the open shared space that everyone has to use. If it was meant to be claimed by someone and others not to use it, it would be instanced. If I farm, it's with the understanding that questers will ALWAYS come first, and if other farmers come along then I can choose to either share with them or wear myself out trying to compete with them, but it is always my choice to be there or not and they owe me nothing just because I was there first.11 -
Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭Frankly if its open to the public, it is free game.
How bout you turn that frown upside down and make it a positive? I've met quite a few friends from grinding spots where we grouped up.
This argument that more than 2 people lowers xp forgets a huge part: yeah the xp is lesser, but you're killing mobs faster also.
So hows about next time instead of whining, you shoot that random a group invite and grind together? Even if it is more than 2 people?
How's that for etiquette?
Perhaps your idea is sound with the caveat that all parties be consensual to the additional person or persons now striking your monsters. If you were already there the etiquette would dictate that you have the ownership of the route and if you'd like to invite them that's great but they should ask and you should be the one to consent.
If consent is not given I don't think they should be able to proceed and violate your grind spot.
See, there's your problem. You think you own it. You don't. Nobody has a claim on overland.
You'd be much happier and would have more fun if you could just share.
I don't agree with your logic. Assuming you may not be an American citizen the traffic laws in the United States allow people to have the "right of way". The person that has the "right of way" has the ownership of that lane.
Another example would be public spaces. If you or I are standing in a spot it wouldn't be legal to try and occupy the spot you are standing in by moving you away from it or just body pushing you out of it as you have lease or temporary ownership of it.
Just the same if an individual is using the restroom and it is a public restroom you do not use the same urinal or toilet they do since it's "public" but have the etiquette to allow them temporary occupancy of said facility.
Born and raised Texan goat.
Just like if I go to a park to graze and there are other people there, we all share the space and are civil.
Same courtesy applies here. It's not your space. It's a shared space.
Gotta learn to share it.
Let me pose another example. Assuming you went to the gym in the past or had a membership at some point. Maybe you simply just went in highschool or college but that's not relevant. if you are using the bench press or using the treadmill as you may or may not have you would then have occupancy of said treadmill.
No one would have the right to occupy that treadmill with you until you gave it up willingly, the owner asked you to leave, or you had finished utilizing it to lose weight or strengthen your body.
Except grinding xp in a public area and working out on a one-person machine are two very different things.
A better example would be the gym pool. You'd have to share that pool.
I think you're applying backwards courtesy. If you've ever been in a gym pool you would understand that each person has a lane. While someone is occupying that lane they have temporary ownership or lease of it.
If you ever decide to get a gym membership or visit your local YMCA you should check out how it works. You can't swim on top of each other.
There is a reason why we say things like "Excuse me", in the grocery store. We don't just push our way through stating "You must learn to share".
You still gotta share that pool, lanes or no (yes, some have no lanes).
Public space, public courtesy.
You'd seriously have a better time if you saw it that way. Stop trying to make others conform to your expectations. Just roll with it.
Your understanding of courtesy is backwards and I am not trying to get anyone to conform. I am only suggesting that we be more polite and respectful to each other. I guess a better way of putting it is to have a bit of class.
No, you are suggesting we police public areas for your benefit.
No, I am suggesting that you have a bit of class.
I don't think you read my post.0 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Frankly if its open to the public, it is free game.
How bout you turn that frown upside down and make it a positive? I've met quite a few friends from grinding spots where we grouped up.
This argument that more than 2 people lowers xp forgets a huge part: yeah the xp is lesser, but you're killing mobs faster also.
So hows about next time instead of whining, you shoot that random a group invite and grind together? Even if it is more than 2 people?
How's that for etiquette?
Perhaps your idea is sound with the caveat that all parties be consensual to the additional person or persons now striking your monsters. If you were already there the etiquette would dictate that you have the ownership of the route and if you'd like to invite them that's great but they should ask and you should be the one to consent.
If consent is not given I don't think they should be able to proceed and violate your grind spot.
See, there's your problem. You think you own it. You don't. Nobody has a claim on overland.
You'd be much happier and would have more fun if you could just share.
I don't agree with your logic. Assuming you may not be an American citizen the traffic laws in the United States allow people to have the "right of way". The person that has the "right of way" has the ownership of that lane.
Another example would be public spaces. If you or I are standing in a spot it wouldn't be legal to try and occupy the spot you are standing in by moving you away from it or just body pushing you out of it as you have lease or temporary ownership of it.
Just the same if an individual is using the restroom and it is a public restroom you do not use the same urinal or toilet they do since it's "public" but have the etiquette to allow them temporary occupancy of said facility.
Born and raised Texan goat.
Just like if I go to a park to graze and there are other people there, we all share the space and are civil.
Same courtesy applies here. It's not your space. It's a shared space.
Gotta learn to share it.
Let me pose another example. Assuming you went to the gym in the past or had a membership at some point. Maybe you simply just went in highschool or college but that's not relevant. if you are using the bench press or using the treadmill as you may or may not have you would then have occupancy of said treadmill.
No one would have the right to occupy that treadmill with you until you gave it up willingly, the owner asked you to leave, or you had finished utilizing it to lose weight or strengthen your body.
Except grinding xp in a public area and working out on a one-person machine are two very different things.
A better example would be the gym pool. You'd have to share that pool.
I think you're applying backwards courtesy. If you've ever been in a gym pool you would understand that each person has a lane. While someone is occupying that lane they have temporary ownership or lease of it.
If you ever decide to get a gym membership or visit your local YMCA you should check out how it works. You can't swim on top of each other.
There is a reason why we say things like "Excuse me", in the grocery store. We don't just push our way through stating "You must learn to share".
You still gotta share that pool, lanes or no (yes, some have no lanes).
Public space, public courtesy.
You'd seriously have a better time if you saw it that way. Stop trying to make others conform to your expectations. Just roll with it.
Your understanding of courtesy is backwards and I am not trying to get anyone to conform. I am only suggesting that we be more polite and respectful to each other. I guess a better way of putting it is to have a bit of class.
Owning a grind spot is like using Starbucks for your home office and complaining because people are talking too loud during your business call. Hard to take seriously any complaints about interference with their grind spot.11 -
AlienatedGoat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Frankly if its open to the public, it is free game.
How bout you turn that frown upside down and make it a positive? I've met quite a few friends from grinding spots where we grouped up.
This argument that more than 2 people lowers xp forgets a huge part: yeah the xp is lesser, but you're killing mobs faster also.
So hows about next time instead of whining, you shoot that random a group invite and grind together? Even if it is more than 2 people?
How's that for etiquette?
Perhaps your idea is sound with the caveat that all parties be consensual to the additional person or persons now striking your monsters. If you were already there the etiquette would dictate that you have the ownership of the route and if you'd like to invite them that's great but they should ask and you should be the one to consent.
If consent is not given I don't think they should be able to proceed and violate your grind spot.
See, there's your problem. You think you own it. You don't. Nobody has a claim on overland.
You'd be much happier and would have more fun if you could just share.
I don't agree with your logic. Assuming you may not be an American citizen the traffic laws in the United States allow people to have the "right of way". The person that has the "right of way" has the ownership of that lane.
Another example would be public spaces. If you or I are standing in a spot it wouldn't be legal to try and occupy the spot you are standing in by moving you away from it or just body pushing you out of it as you have lease or temporary ownership of it.
Just the same if an individual is using the restroom and it is a public restroom you do not use the same urinal or toilet they do since it's "public" but have the etiquette to allow them temporary occupancy of said facility.
Born and raised Texan goat.
Just like if I go to a park to graze and there are other people there, we all share the space and are civil.
Same courtesy applies here. It's not your space. It's a shared space.
Gotta learn to share it.
Let me pose another example. Assuming you went to the gym in the past or had a membership at some point. Maybe you simply just went in highschool or college but that's not relevant. if you are using the bench press or using the treadmill as you may or may not have you would then have occupancy of said treadmill.
No one would have the right to occupy that treadmill with you until you gave it up willingly, the owner asked you to leave, or you had finished utilizing it to lose weight or strengthen your body.
Except grinding xp in a public area and working out on a one-person machine are two very different things.
A better example would be the gym pool. You'd have to share that pool.
I think you're applying backwards courtesy. If you've ever been in a gym pool you would understand that each person has a lane. While someone is occupying that lane they have temporary ownership or lease of it.
If you ever decide to get a gym membership or visit your local YMCA you should check out how it works. You can't swim on top of each other.
There is a reason why we say things like "Excuse me", in the grocery store. We don't just push our way through stating "You must learn to share".
You still gotta share that pool, lanes or no (yes, some have no lanes).
Public space, public courtesy.
You'd seriously have a better time if you saw it that way. Stop trying to make others conform to your expectations. Just roll with it.
Your understanding of courtesy is backwards and I am not trying to get anyone to conform. I am only suggesting that we be more polite and respectful to each other. I guess a better way of putting it is to have a bit of class.
No, you are suggesting we police public areas for your benefit.
No, I am suggesting that you have a bit of class.
I don't think you read my post.
I read it just fine. Did you read mine?
Public space means no one has a claim.
Learn to share or you're gonna continue to be miserable when you grind these areas.PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaah8