My Early Review of Summerset Updated with Details

DaveMoeDee · April 2018

Sirona_Starr wrote: »

Anything in the conversation about a package deal, with a lower price for collector's edition for those that PURCHASED Morrowind? Not sure why those who didn't purchase it, get it for free, comparatively speaking, and those who did purchase it, pay the same? It's $90 in my country, and I don't see why those who did buy Morrowind, get a "You were stupid to buy it, because now it's free, for those who didn't." Accordingly, I can wait until this edition is free with the next release, or I will pay now for a reduced price because I bought Morrowind............makes no sense. Fool me once shame on you.........I won't be fooled twice.

Why not wait for 4 years before buying a chapter. Than you can get the next 3 chapters free. Or wait 7 years and you can get 6 free?

starkerealm · April 2018

Yamenstein wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Yamenstein wrote: »

neverwalk wrote: »

Jewelery crafting, the Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild SHOULD BE part of base game.

They should make the game free and not add anything else. I mean what's the point ? Make a half arsed game and then leave it like that. Pfft.

You don't get stuff for free. Pay up if you want new content.

Yes. I agree.

My sarcasm must not have worked.

Yeah, text sarcasm can be very hard to detect unless you intentionally annotate it. It's all about tone of voice and delivery, which gets lost in text more often than not.

Also, it's not like you're expressing an unheard of opinion.

I mean, MMOs are a fantastic genre (when the games work). It's one of the only places in the industry where you'll find an entire genre that lives on the developers working to make it better over time. A bad game can release, sell well on a name, and then quietly shuffle off, while still being a success, but a bad MMO can't.

That means, money has to come for development from somewhere, and that requires a post-launch business model. But, that plays havoc with expectations for a lot of people, because they're used to games being a, "you buy it, you have it," kind of a setup, which lead to very distorted expectations when you get to MMOs. Hell, I avoided the entire genre for years because of the subscription model, and only got in on games that started with LTS services. In fact, I think ESO is only the second MMO I've ever played where I actually pay the subscription fee on a regular basis.

But, yeah, sarcasm... no harm no foul. On a long enough timescale, I could certainly get behind some of the early DLCs getting rolled into the base game content, simply to keep new players from feeling too intimidated on the way into the store. But, at the same time, I'd kinda rather Stugga just stop chasing me down every time I stick my nose in Vulkhel Guard.

rteezy wrote: »

was this a "sponsored" post?

I understand the cynicism coming out in this thread. To an extent, I've shared it at one time or another. Anyone who's been around long enough should remember that I've gotten extremely salty about a couple bugs that hit me hard over the years (specifically gear deterioration near launch, and the bar swap delay with Dragon Bones). At the time, it really felt like I was getting directly screwed over.

I've also played MMOs where developers were antagonistic or derisive towards the community. Having actually talked, at length with the people on staff, I really do not see that here.

If you think that's, "bought and paid for," because we were wined and dined, I gotta say, I value my personal integrity a bit more than that.

Okay, some personal background for a second. I'm in my mid-30s. I have a career. If @Nestor wants to tell you his situation he's entirely welcome to. While I'm not raking in the bucks, getting some free stuff wouldn't really sway my position. This is more significant because, many of us rely on our integrity to sell the products we create. Many of the people who went were content creators of one stripe or another. While both dinners were amazing, they're not worth chucking my career over.

There's a real fundamental disconnect that can occur, particularly based on where you are in life. When you're younger (I'm not putting an age on this, because age and youth are not, always, entirely synonymous), gifts carry far more weight, and have a far greater influence on you. As you get older, gifts become a far more complex system. Now, I wouldn't blame anyone for being jealous at all. That's a natural reaction, and I certainly don't blame anyone for getting suspicious because they think their reaction would be different if placed in that situation.

If you're in the position of saying, "hey, if they gave me cool stuff, I'd be far more likely to do what they say," that's fine. That's where you are. However, personally, I'm well past that point in my life. The trip was amazing, really. But, it wasn't the stuff, or the trip itself, that affected my opinions, it was the people I met, and was interacting with. That includes people like Rich, Gina, Jeremy, Rob, and Wrobel. There's a cliche about people being passionate about their job, but I do believe they really are committed to making the game the best it can be.

Konstant_Tel_Necris · April 2018

How about Lore in Summerset? Is it comparable to Morrowind and Clockwork City?

Morgul667 · April 2018

cool stuff

SquareSausage · April 2018

Hardly a review, more a show off 'I'm special and got picked to go to ZoS.'

Bam_Bam · April 2018

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Lol you’re so funny.

You get the click bait award tho

I said NDA safe, what did you expect?

However I wish I could tell you why it's going to be great. Tuesday.

Flying mounts confirmed.

Hell no. This is ESO not World of Kiddycraft

Bam_Bam · April 2018

Looking forward to the incoming NB buffs and Sorc nerfs. Long overdue.

DieAlteHexe · April 2018

SquareSausage wrote: »

Hardly a review, more a show off 'I'm special and got picked to go to ZoS.'

Need some skooma to go with those grapes?

Ragnarock41 · April 2018

I can't deny that @ZOS_Wrobel is doing some solid changes for the last few patches, I don't want to get my hopes up, but I think that maaybe, just maybe he will do something so awesome that he will make me regret all the bad things I said for him.

I'm also hyped for the new skills, the ''undo'' ultimate sounds very cool, very excited to test it out.

(also forgot to mention the jewelry crafting seems like it will really shake the meta. Still early to talk but I can't wait for robust jewelry on my heavy armor sets.)

We'll see. For the time being no amount of hype will convince me to pre-order this.

But thats juuuuust an opinion. A personal opinion

JD2013 · April 2018

@Nestor Is it true that there's an area of the Chapter that has not been announced yet?

zParallaxz · April 2018

rteezy wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

It's going to be Awesome!

Details to come Tuesday.

SO, will it actually fix all the core issues with the game (you know..the important stuff that sholdnt be a problem in 2018..like lag, optimization, fps drops, network code..etc)..OR, jsut add some random stuff and ignore the game itself?

Oh look, some more cool pixels to look at and "explore" for 1 hour, jewelry and a skill line...ncie PAID dlc

Kingslayer513 wrote: »

I'm genuinely surprised at the amount of negativity in response to this tiny bit of "teaser" info. People saying/implying that the game is beyond the point of fixing or hopeless, hating on the devs for no reason and with no real info... lol seriously why would anybody hate the game, think it's never going to improve, and yet STILL be here trolling the forums?

Anyways, I'm hyped for Summerset and hyped for Tuesday! Thanks Nestor!

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

rteezy wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Also, I will add we have had devs talking to us and listening to us all day long. And they are taking pages of notes from our feeback on both new content and base game systems. They really do care.

like they cared since launch?

was this a "sponsored" post?

Wow. Why so negative? Have you even been here since launch? Your profile say's only since 2016.
This was a nice, positive post that shares some of the cool things that some got to do and share what they can.
Shame for being the "Negative Nancy"...Lol..
Thank You Nestor, starkerealm and the others who were there and for sharing with us!!
1,000 Huzzahs to you all!!

We aren’t expecting anything significant in terms of balancing and connectivity issues because it’s been 3-4 years and we are still at the same amount of lag as before. On top of ZOS trying push the blame elsewhere and forgetting that there are similar games the does everything ZOS says they can’t do.

Peekachu99 · April 2018

Cautiously optimistic. I really have no idea what to expect given the hyperbole on both sides (testers and cynics). I mean, either could be right and I understand the skepticism directed at people who visited ZoS HQ, since they’re somewhat beholden to Saur—I mean ZoS. Likewise, I sympathize with those who had this opportunity feeling as if they’re under attack from the critics—of which the internet has an endless supply—when they believe they’re providing positive feedback and supporting the community.

I’m a moderate though, and I think that’s the best attitude to have with changes ultimately outside of your control. I expect some terrible changes as well as some exciting ones. In the end, I’ll keep playing this till another action MMORPG dethrones this game in terms of combat and features.

Peekachu99 · April 2018

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Anhedonie wrote: »

So warden isn't utter crap in pve anymore?

Wrobel promised in the warden feedback thread that they would be looking at DPS across all the classes back during the Clockwork City PTS cycle (the next balance patch from that comment is Summerset). Let's hope the warden is still on the agenda. I'm tired of complaining about the class for 12 months now. Since then, templar and DK have fallen on hard times as well. The gap between NB/Sorc and Templar/DK/Warden is massive right now, with warden especially far behind (as it has been since the class released).

Sounds like a good justification for not adding more classes in the future.

The obsession with X class parsing better than Y while ignoring any utility or class inherencies has, and continues to be, the downfall of many MMORPGs. All it does is end up pushing numbers higher across the board and leading to an accelerated power creep.

Ragnarock41 · April 2018

Peekachu99 wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Anhedonie wrote: »

So warden isn't utter crap in pve anymore?

Wrobel promised in the warden feedback thread that they would be looking at DPS across all the classes back during the Clockwork City PTS cycle (the next balance patch from that comment is Summerset). Let's hope the warden is still on the agenda. I'm tired of complaining about the class for 12 months now. Since then, templar and DK have fallen on hard times as well. The gap between NB/Sorc and Templar/DK/Warden is massive right now, with warden especially far behind (as it has been since the class released).

Sounds like a good justification for not adding more classes in the future.

The obsession with X class parsing better than Y while ignoring any utility or class inherencies has, and continues to be, the downfall of many MMORPGs. All it does is end up pushing numbers higher across the board and leading to an accelerated power creep.

see this guy ^ , this guy understands.

Seraphayel · April 2018

Post it now, it's Tuesday!

MrCray78 · April 2018

@Seraphayel XD

commdt · April 2018

So... is embargo lifted?

TelvanniWizard · April 2018

Come on, we are waiting

boggo · April 2018

Rise and shine! @Nestor

Thraben · April 2018

Mhm, slowly getting angry...

We. Need. Information.

SantieClaws · April 2018

The NDA is not lifted until 10am US Time and 3pm UK time.

You won't hear anything for a few hours yet.

Then expect the floodgates to open.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Thraben · April 2018

SantieClaws wrote: »

The NDA is not lifted until 10am US Time and 3pm UK time.

You won't hear anything for a few hours yet.

Then expect the floodgates to open.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Ah thank you!

Erelah · April 2018

starkerealm wrote: »

Yamenstein wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Yamenstein wrote: »

neverwalk wrote: »

Jewelery crafting, the Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild SHOULD BE part of base game.

They should make the game free and not add anything else. I mean what's the point ? Make a half arsed game and then leave it like that. Pfft.

You don't get stuff for free. Pay up if you want new content.

Yes. I agree.

My sarcasm must not have worked.

Yeah, text sarcasm can be very hard to detect unless you intentionally annotate it. It's all about tone of voice and delivery, which gets lost in text more often than not.

Also, it's not like you're expressing an unheard of opinion.

I mean, MMOs are a fantastic genre (when the games work). It's one of the only places in the industry where you'll find an entire genre that lives on the developers working to make it better over time. A bad game can release, sell well on a name, and then quietly shuffle off, while still being a success, but a bad MMO can't.

That means, money has to come for development from somewhere, and that requires a post-launch business model. But, that plays havoc with expectations for a lot of people, because they're used to games being a, "you buy it, you have it," kind of a setup, which lead to very distorted expectations when you get to MMOs. Hell, I avoided the entire genre for years because of the subscription model, and only got in on games that started with LTS services. In fact, I think ESO is only the second MMO I've ever played where I actually pay the subscription fee on a regular basis.

But, yeah, sarcasm... no harm no foul. On a long enough timescale, I could certainly get behind some of the early DLCs getting rolled into the base game content, simply to keep new players from feeling too intimidated on the way into the store. But, at the same time, I'd kinda rather Stugga just stop chasing me down every time I stick my nose in Vulkhel Guard.

rteezy wrote: »

was this a "sponsored" post?

I understand the cynicism coming out in this thread. To an extent, I've shared it at one time or another. Anyone who's been around long enough should remember that I've gotten extremely salty about a couple bugs that hit me hard over the years (specifically gear deterioration near launch, and the bar swap delay with Dragon Bones). At the time, it really felt like I was getting directly screwed over.

I've also played MMOs where developers were antagonistic or derisive towards the community. Having actually talked, at length with the people on staff, I really do not see that here.

If you think that's, "bought and paid for," because we were wined and dined, I gotta say, I value my personal integrity a bit more than that.

Okay, some personal background for a second. I'm in my mid-30s. I have a career. If @Nestor wants to tell you his situation he's entirely welcome to. While I'm not raking in the bucks, getting some free stuff wouldn't really sway my position. This is more significant because, many of us rely on our integrity to sell the products we create. Many of the people who went were content creators of one stripe or another. While both dinners were amazing, they're not worth chucking my career over.

There's a real fundamental disconnect that can occur, particularly based on where you are in life. When you're younger (I'm not putting an age on this, because age and youth are not, always, entirely synonymous), gifts carry far more weight, and have a far greater influence on you. As you get older, gifts become a far more complex system. Now, I wouldn't blame anyone for being jealous at all. That's a natural reaction, and I certainly don't blame anyone for getting suspicious because they think their reaction would be different if placed in that situation.

If you're in the position of saying, "hey, if they gave me cool stuff, I'd be far more likely to do what they say," that's fine. That's where you are. However, personally, I'm well past that point in my life. The trip was amazing, really. But, it wasn't the stuff, or the trip itself, that affected my opinions, it was the people I met, and was interacting with. That includes people like Rich, Gina, Jeremy, Rob, and Wrobel. There's a cliche about people being passionate about their job, but I do believe they really are committed to making the game the best it can be.

I thought all the money from development came from the crates. The ones where people instead of buying what they want directly there is the fun chance of spending more money to get what you wish. I am also in my thirties and played this game when it came out. I have never had dinner with any ZOS employee and am simply another customer. I do remember being promised that cash grab lock boxes would never happen. I also remember the post launch strategy included subs gaining all content of the game. That was changed when Morrwind came out and without notice the wording was changed to DLC in the crown store.

Now if your argument is that Zenimax Online makes more money for these paid DLC one time purchases than a year sub I would point out that a collector's edition costs less. I would also make an educated guess that their revenue is not based around such sales. I would say it is around the crown crates, which is why most MMOs have implemented them.

Bevik · April 2018

SantieClaws wrote: »

The NDA is not lifted until 10am US Time and 3pm UK time.

You won't hear anything for a few hours yet.

Then expect the floodgates to open.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Thanks. Very late, so excited, so hyped. Hopefully won't be disappointed.

Anyway NDA on the whole Summerset insight or only the Jewellery Crafting NDA ends today?

SantieClaws · April 2018

Khajiit has herself prepared a report regarding her travels to snooty elf island that should be published shortly after 3pm on the website of her guild. This one will provide a link when it is live yes.

This one is unable to speculate further on what it may contain until later this afternoon.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Liddyenna · April 2018

Pointless thread is pointless

Ilithyania · April 2018

yeEEEEEy!

Awesome! gonna be fun,

even with the damn elves around !!!!

Torbschka · April 2018

Is NDA lifted now or is there a specific time (CET)?

SantieClaws · April 2018

The NDA is not lifted until 10am US Time and 3pm UK time.

Did someone scratch a record round here ...?

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Seraphayel · April 2018

Torbschka wrote: »

Is NDA lifted now or is there a specific time (CET)?

Just a handful of posts above yours:

10am US / 3pm UK