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Grind spot etiquette.
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Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭Frankly if its open to the public, it is free game.
How bout you turn that frown upside down and make it a positive? I've met quite a few friends from grinding spots where we grouped up.
This argument that more than 2 people lowers xp forgets a huge part: yeah the xp is lesser, but you're killing mobs faster also.
So hows about next time instead of whining, you shoot that random a group invite and grind together? Even if it is more than 2 people?
How's that for etiquette?
Perhaps your idea is sound with the caveat that all parties be consensual to the additional person or persons now striking your monsters. If you were already there the etiquette would dictate that you have the ownership of the route and if you'd like to invite them that's great but they should ask and you should be the one to consent.
If consent is not given I don't think they should be able to proceed and violate your grind spot.
See, there's your problem. You think you own it. You don't. Nobody has a claim on overland.
You'd be much happier and would have more fun if you could just share.
I don't agree with your logic. Assuming you may not be an American citizen the traffic laws in the United States allow people to have the "right of way". The person that has the "right of way" has the ownership of that lane.
Another example would be public spaces. If you or I are standing in a spot it wouldn't be legal to try and occupy the spot you are standing in by moving you away from it or just body pushing you out of it as you have lease or temporary ownership of it.
Just the same if an individual is using the restroom and it is a public restroom you do not use the same urinal or toilet they do since it's "public" but have the etiquette to allow them temporary occupancy of said facility.
Born and raised Texan goat.
Just like if I go to a park to graze and there are other people there, we all share the space and are civil.
Same courtesy applies here. It's not your space. It's a shared space.
Gotta learn to share it.
Let me pose another example. Assuming you went to the gym in the past or had a membership at some point. Maybe you simply just went in highschool or college but that's not relevant. if you are using the bench press or using the treadmill as you may or may not have you would then have occupancy of said treadmill.
No one would have the right to occupy that treadmill with you until you gave it up willingly, the owner asked you to leave, or you had finished utilizing it to lose weight or strengthen your body.
Except grinding xp in a public area and working out on a one-person machine are two very different things.
A better example would be the gym pool. You'd have to share that pool.
I think you're applying backwards courtesy. If you've ever been in a gym pool you would understand that each person has a lane. While someone is occupying that lane they have temporary ownership or lease of it.
If you ever decide to get a gym membership or visit your local YMCA you should check out how it works. You can't swim on top of each other.
There is a reason why we say things like "Excuse me", in the grocery store. We don't just push our way through stating "You must learn to share".
You still gotta share that pool, lanes or no (yes, some have no lanes).
Public space, public courtesy.
You'd seriously have a better time if you saw it that way. Stop trying to make others conform to your expectations. Just roll with it.
Your understanding of courtesy is backwards and I am not trying to get anyone to conform. I am only suggesting that we be more polite and respectful to each other. I guess a better way of putting it is to have a bit of class.
No, you are suggesting we police public areas for your benefit.
No, I am suggesting that you have a bit of class.
I don't think you read my post.
I read it just fine. Did you read mine?
Public space means no one has a claim.
Learn to share or you're gonna continue to be miserable when you grind these areas.
Since I am having trouble believing you read my post or understand what I am stating let me try to explain it more clearly in this follow-up.
If I am grinding in a spot and an individual is desperately trying to deprive me and my friend(s) of XP by using movement abilities, Major Expeditions, perhaps teleports, to get to other groups of monsters before we do and kite them away deliberately that is not sharing.
If the malicious individual is doing this deliberately with the goal of preventing me and my friend(s) from even using that spot that is not sharing and it becomes ridiculous. Based on your statements, assuming you understand this argument, you're advocating for that person to partake in said act and it is their right to do that as it is public and my friends and I must either adopt classes that offer movement speeds or skills to keep up and still attain XP whilst said individual tries to get us to leave by depriving us of XP.
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Metafae✭✭✭✭✭Frankly if its open to the public, it is free game.
How bout you turn that frown upside down and make it a positive? I've met quite a few friends from grinding spots where we grouped up.
This argument that more than 2 people lowers xp forgets a huge part: yeah the xp is lesser, but you're killing mobs faster also.
So hows about next time instead of whining, you shoot that random a group invite and grind together? Even if it is more than 2 people?
How's that for etiquette?
This is only true if the two people grinding are slow at killing mobs. Generally where I grind, I kill them at exactly the rate needed for them to respawn when I arrive at the next spot. An extra person wont speed things up by much, and if it does we end up waiting at the next spot for the mobs to spawn in. with 3 or more it is purely an XP loss.0 -
Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭Frankly if its open to the public, it is free game.
How bout you turn that frown upside down and make it a positive? I've met quite a few friends from grinding spots where we grouped up.
This argument that more than 2 people lowers xp forgets a huge part: yeah the xp is lesser, but you're killing mobs faster also.
So hows about next time instead of whining, you shoot that random a group invite and grind together? Even if it is more than 2 people?
How's that for etiquette?
This is only true if the two people grinding are slow at killing mobs. Generally where I grind, I kill them at exactly the rate needed for them to respawn when I arrive at the next spot. An extra person wont speed things up by much, and if it does we end up waiting at the next spot for the mobs to spawn in. with 3 or more it is purely an XP loss.
Exactly.0 -
phaneub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭How about this scenario, because I've done it multiple times before. If I see another player already sneaking around in the Deshaan bank waiting for the banker to turn around to get to the master lockbox, and I just walk up to the lockbox and pick it, am I wrong for taking it?0 -
Haquor✭✭✭✭✭I paid for the game. Therefore i own tamriel. Anything that grows or spawns in it is mine.
GL.7 -
Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭phaneub17_ESO wrote: »How about this scenario, because I've done it multiple times before. If I see another player already sneaking around in the Deshaan bank waiting for the banker to turn around to get to the master lockbox, and I just walk up to the lockbox and pick it, am I wrong for taking it?
It's about having etiquette.
Here's another example.
You're in a concert setting and you need to move across an area that is crowded. You can either, as many do, bump into people and shove them out of your way or politely ask them to move by saying "Excuse me."
There are certain manners in life that I wish many of us would adopt.
You can chew with your mouth open and use the wrong utensil but should you?0 -
pod88kk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I think that if you are new to the grinding area and there is already a group there then you should wait, watch their pattern/route & join the route along side them. Nothing worse than someone ruining the rhythm of your grinding.0 -
AlienatedGoat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Frankly if its open to the public, it is free game.
How bout you turn that frown upside down and make it a positive? I've met quite a few friends from grinding spots where we grouped up.
This argument that more than 2 people lowers xp forgets a huge part: yeah the xp is lesser, but you're killing mobs faster also.
So hows about next time instead of whining, you shoot that random a group invite and grind together? Even if it is more than 2 people?
How's that for etiquette?
Perhaps your idea is sound with the caveat that all parties be consensual to the additional person or persons now striking your monsters. If you were already there the etiquette would dictate that you have the ownership of the route and if you'd like to invite them that's great but they should ask and you should be the one to consent.
If consent is not given I don't think they should be able to proceed and violate your grind spot.
See, there's your problem. You think you own it. You don't. Nobody has a claim on overland.
You'd be much happier and would have more fun if you could just share.
I don't agree with your logic. Assuming you may not be an American citizen the traffic laws in the United States allow people to have the "right of way". The person that has the "right of way" has the ownership of that lane.
Another example would be public spaces. If you or I are standing in a spot it wouldn't be legal to try and occupy the spot you are standing in by moving you away from it or just body pushing you out of it as you have lease or temporary ownership of it.
Just the same if an individual is using the restroom and it is a public restroom you do not use the same urinal or toilet they do since it's "public" but have the etiquette to allow them temporary occupancy of said facility.
Born and raised Texan goat.
Just like if I go to a park to graze and there are other people there, we all share the space and are civil.
Same courtesy applies here. It's not your space. It's a shared space.
Gotta learn to share it.
Let me pose another example. Assuming you went to the gym in the past or had a membership at some point. Maybe you simply just went in highschool or college but that's not relevant. if you are using the bench press or using the treadmill as you may or may not have you would then have occupancy of said treadmill.
No one would have the right to occupy that treadmill with you until you gave it up willingly, the owner asked you to leave, or you had finished utilizing it to lose weight or strengthen your body.
Except grinding xp in a public area and working out on a one-person machine are two very different things.
A better example would be the gym pool. You'd have to share that pool.
I think you're applying backwards courtesy. If you've ever been in a gym pool you would understand that each person has a lane. While someone is occupying that lane they have temporary ownership or lease of it.
If you ever decide to get a gym membership or visit your local YMCA you should check out how it works. You can't swim on top of each other.
There is a reason why we say things like "Excuse me", in the grocery store. We don't just push our way through stating "You must learn to share".
You still gotta share that pool, lanes or no (yes, some have no lanes).
Public space, public courtesy.
You'd seriously have a better time if you saw it that way. Stop trying to make others conform to your expectations. Just roll with it.
Your understanding of courtesy is backwards and I am not trying to get anyone to conform. I am only suggesting that we be more polite and respectful to each other. I guess a better way of putting it is to have a bit of class.
No, you are suggesting we police public areas for your benefit.
No, I am suggesting that you have a bit of class.
I don't think you read my post.
I read it just fine. Did you read mine?
Public space means no one has a claim.
Learn to share or you're gonna continue to be miserable when you grind these areas.
Since I am having trouble believing you read my post or understand what I am stating let me try to explain it more clearly in this follow-up.
If I am grinding in a spot and an individual is desperately trying to deprive me and my friend(s) of XP by using movement abilities, Major Expeditions, perhaps teleports, to get to other groups of monsters before we do and kite them away deliberately that is not sharing.
If the malicious individual is doing this deliberately with the goal of preventing me and my friend(s) from even using that spot that is not sharing and it becomes ridiculous. Based on your statements, assuming you understand this argument, you're advocating for that person to partake in said act and it is their right to do that as it is public and my friends and I must either adopt classes that offer movement speeds or skills to keep up and still attain XP whilst said individual tries to get us to leave by depriving us of Xp
Dude if you have issues with people like that, just move to another spot.
You can't govern the behavior of others in a game. All you can do is control your reactions.PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaaa14 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭phaneub17_ESO wrote: »How about this scenario, because I've done it multiple times before. If I see another player already sneaking around in the Deshaan bank waiting for the banker to turn around to get to the master lockbox, and I just walk up to the lockbox and pick it, am I wrong for taking it?
Sounds fine to me. If I'm going for a lockbox, I try to do it fast before anyone else gets there, while also trying to not get caught (especially in closed areas).0 -
Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭I think that if you are new to the grinding area and there is already a group there then you should wait, watch their pattern/route & join the route along side them. Nothing worse than someone ruining the rhythm of your grinding.
There are people that deliberately do this and I feel that is really rude. If they, in the very least, did what you are suggesting it would be one step in the right direction.
We need more people with minds like you to get behind this movement.1 -
Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭Frankly if its open to the public, it is free game.
How bout you turn that frown upside down and make it a positive? I've met quite a few friends from grinding spots where we grouped up.
This argument that more than 2 people lowers xp forgets a huge part: yeah the xp is lesser, but you're killing mobs faster also.
So hows about next time instead of whining, you shoot that random a group invite and grind together? Even if it is more than 2 people?
How's that for etiquette?
Perhaps your idea is sound with the caveat that all parties be consensual to the additional person or persons now striking your monsters. If you were already there the etiquette would dictate that you have the ownership of the route and if you'd like to invite them that's great but they should ask and you should be the one to consent.
If consent is not given I don't think they should be able to proceed and violate your grind spot.
See, there's your problem. You think you own it. You don't. Nobody has a claim on overland.
You'd be much happier and would have more fun if you could just share.
I don't agree with your logic. Assuming you may not be an American citizen the traffic laws in the United States allow people to have the "right of way". The person that has the "right of way" has the ownership of that lane.
Another example would be public spaces. If you or I are standing in a spot it wouldn't be legal to try and occupy the spot you are standing in by moving you away from it or just body pushing you out of it as you have lease or temporary ownership of it.
Just the same if an individual is using the restroom and it is a public restroom you do not use the same urinal or toilet they do since it's "public" but have the etiquette to allow them temporary occupancy of said facility.
Born and raised Texan goat.
Just like if I go to a park to graze and there are other people there, we all share the space and are civil.
Same courtesy applies here. It's not your space. It's a shared space.
Gotta learn to share it.
Let me pose another example. Assuming you went to the gym in the past or had a membership at some point. Maybe you simply just went in highschool or college but that's not relevant. if you are using the bench press or using the treadmill as you may or may not have you would then have occupancy of said treadmill.
No one would have the right to occupy that treadmill with you until you gave it up willingly, the owner asked you to leave, or you had finished utilizing it to lose weight or strengthen your body.
Except grinding xp in a public area and working out on a one-person machine are two very different things.
A better example would be the gym pool. You'd have to share that pool.
I think you're applying backwards courtesy. If you've ever been in a gym pool you would understand that each person has a lane. While someone is occupying that lane they have temporary ownership or lease of it.
If you ever decide to get a gym membership or visit your local YMCA you should check out how it works. You can't swim on top of each other.
There is a reason why we say things like "Excuse me", in the grocery store. We don't just push our way through stating "You must learn to share".
You still gotta share that pool, lanes or no (yes, some have no lanes).
Public space, public courtesy.
You'd seriously have a better time if you saw it that way. Stop trying to make others conform to your expectations. Just roll with it.
Your understanding of courtesy is backwards and I am not trying to get anyone to conform. I am only suggesting that we be more polite and respectful to each other. I guess a better way of putting it is to have a bit of class.
No, you are suggesting we police public areas for your benefit.
No, I am suggesting that you have a bit of class.
I don't think you read my post.
I read it just fine. Did you read mine?
Public space means no one has a claim.
Learn to share or you're gonna continue to be miserable when you grind these areas.
Since I am having trouble believing you read my post or understand what I am stating let me try to explain it more clearly in this follow-up.
If I am grinding in a spot and an individual is desperately trying to deprive me and my friend(s) of XP by using movement abilities, Major Expeditions, perhaps teleports, to get to other groups of monsters before we do and kite them away deliberately that is not sharing.
If the malicious individual is doing this deliberately with the goal of preventing me and my friend(s) from even using that spot that is not sharing and it becomes ridiculous. Based on your statements, assuming you understand this argument, you're advocating for that person to partake in said act and it is their right to do that as it is public and my friends and I must either adopt classes that offer movement speeds or skills to keep up and still attain XP whilst said individual tries to get us to leave by depriving us of Xp
Dude if you have issues with people like that, just move to another spot.
You can't govern the behavior of others in a game. All you can do is control your reactions.
You are confusing governance, policing, and enforcing with being polite and respectful. That is why you and I can't agree. In your mind, if it's not 'illegal' it is okay. In my mind, I want to be respectful of other's and their personal space, rights, and dignity.0 -
AlienatedGoat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Frankly if its open to the public, it is free game.
How bout you turn that frown upside down and make it a positive? I've met quite a few friends from grinding spots where we grouped up.
This argument that more than 2 people lowers xp forgets a huge part: yeah the xp is lesser, but you're killing mobs faster also.
So hows about next time instead of whining, you shoot that random a group invite and grind together? Even if it is more than 2 people?
How's that for etiquette?
This is only true if the two people grinding are slow at killing mobs. Generally where I grind, I kill them at exactly the rate needed for them to respawn when I arrive at the next spot. An extra person wont speed things up by much, and if it does we end up waiting at the next spot for the mobs to spawn in. with 3 or more it is purely an XP loss.
Well I'm not there to micromanage my xp rate down to the last detail. I'm there to have fun.PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaaa4 -
Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
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Who says it is a grind spot? Is there a sign that says GRIND HERE?!
If I am questing/walking/derping and/or grinding in the same area and I feel like killing some mobs, that's just life.
You cannot say I am leeching your XP anymore than I could say you are leeching mine.
IDK why greedy people still even surprise me.11 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭phaneub17_ESO wrote: »How about this scenario, because I've done it multiple times before. If I see another player already sneaking around in the Deshaan bank waiting for the banker to turn around to get to the master lockbox, and I just walk up to the lockbox and pick it, am I wrong for taking it?
It's about having etiquette.
Here's another example.
You're in a concert setting and you need to move across an area that is crowded. You can either, as many do, bump into people and shove them out of your way or politely ask them to move by saying "Excuse me."
There are certain manners in life that I wish many of us would adopt.
You can chew with your mouth open and use the wrong utensil but should you?
There is no "wrong utensil" and chewing with your mouth open is a cultural thing. I don't do chew with my mouth open, but if it bothers you, it is your problem, not the problem of the person chewing. Your expectations are the problem and don't expect others to change for you.
The concert example is bad because shoving people is bad behavior. We all know that. The idea of not interrupting someone's grinding spot is a norm that only exists in the head of grinders. There is nothing wrong with people in an MMO joining in when there are fights going on. It seems the natural thing to do in the game. If some players decide they want to grind XP instead of playing the game, it is on them to make that work. I don't see why anyone else should concern themselves with keeping your XP/hour optimal.Edited by DaveMoeDee on April 2, 2018 8:59AM2 -
smtdbplus✭✭✭Once you log in, you are stealing our server and network resources and causing the lag. Please refrain from playing our game.Edited by smtdbplus on April 2, 2018 8:46AM12
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AlienatedGoat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Frankly if its open to the public, it is free game.
How bout you turn that frown upside down and make it a positive? I've met quite a few friends from grinding spots where we grouped up.
This argument that more than 2 people lowers xp forgets a huge part: yeah the xp is lesser, but you're killing mobs faster also.
So hows about next time instead of whining, you shoot that random a group invite and grind together? Even if it is more than 2 people?
How's that for etiquette?
Perhaps your idea is sound with the caveat that all parties be consensual to the additional person or persons now striking your monsters. If you were already there the etiquette would dictate that you have the ownership of the route and if you'd like to invite them that's great but they should ask and you should be the one to consent.
If consent is not given I don't think they should be able to proceed and violate your grind spot.
See, there's your problem. You think you own it. You don't. Nobody has a claim on overland.
You'd be much happier and would have more fun if you could just share.
I don't agree with your logic. Assuming you may not be an American citizen the traffic laws in the United States allow people to have the "right of way". The person that has the "right of way" has the ownership of that lane.
Another example would be public spaces. If you or I are standing in a spot it wouldn't be legal to try and occupy the spot you are standing in by moving you away from it or just body pushing you out of it as you have lease or temporary ownership of it.
Just the same if an individual is using the restroom and it is a public restroom you do not use the same urinal or toilet they do since it's "public" but have the etiquette to allow them temporary occupancy of said facility.
Born and raised Texan goat.
Just like if I go to a park to graze and there are other people there, we all share the space and are civil.
Same courtesy applies here. It's not your space. It's a shared space.
Gotta learn to share it.
Let me pose another example. Assuming you went to the gym in the past or had a membership at some point. Maybe you simply just went in highschool or college but that's not relevant. if you are using the bench press or using the treadmill as you may or may not have you would then have occupancy of said treadmill.
No one would have the right to occupy that treadmill with you until you gave it up willingly, the owner asked you to leave, or you had finished utilizing it to lose weight or strengthen your body.
Except grinding xp in a public area and working out on a one-person machine are two very different things.
A better example would be the gym pool. You'd have to share that pool.
I think you're applying backwards courtesy. If you've ever been in a gym pool you would understand that each person has a lane. While someone is occupying that lane they have temporary ownership or lease of it.
If you ever decide to get a gym membership or visit your local YMCA you should check out how it works. You can't swim on top of each other.
There is a reason why we say things like "Excuse me", in the grocery store. We don't just push our way through stating "You must learn to share".
You still gotta share that pool, lanes or no (yes, some have no lanes).
Public space, public courtesy.
You'd seriously have a better time if you saw it that way. Stop trying to make others conform to your expectations. Just roll with it.
Your understanding of courtesy is backwards and I am not trying to get anyone to conform. I am only suggesting that we be more polite and respectful to each other. I guess a better way of putting it is to have a bit of class.
No, you are suggesting we police public areas for your benefit.
No, I am suggesting that you have a bit of class.
I don't think you read my post.
I read it just fine. Did you read mine?
Public space means no one has a claim.
Learn to share or you're gonna continue to be miserable when you grind these areas.
Since I am having trouble believing you read my post or understand what I am stating let me try to explain it more clearly in this follow-up.
If I am grinding in a spot and an individual is desperately trying to deprive me and my friend(s) of XP by using movement abilities, Major Expeditions, perhaps teleports, to get to other groups of monsters before we do and kite them away deliberately that is not sharing.
If the malicious individual is doing this deliberately with the goal of preventing me and my friend(s) from even using that spot that is not sharing and it becomes ridiculous. Based on your statements, assuming you understand this argument, you're advocating for that person to partake in said act and it is their right to do that as it is public and my friends and I must either adopt classes that offer movement speeds or skills to keep up and still attain XP whilst said individual tries to get us to leave by depriving us of Xp
Dude if you have issues with people like that, just move to another spot.
You can't govern the behavior of others in a game. All you can do is control your reactions.
You are confusing governance, policing, and enforcing with being polite and respectful. That is why you and I can't agree. In your mind, if it's not 'illegal' it is okay. In my mind, I want to be respectful of other's and their personal space, rights, and dignity.
Yeah don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say anything about that. I said if its a public space, you gotta share, and if you get someone being a tool, you are better off finding somewhere else rather than argue with them.
From my perspective, it's far more respectful and courteous to try to share a space and coexist, than to assert your rights and belligerently stake out what you perceive to be yours.PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaaa6 -
Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭Frankly if its open to the public, it is free game.
How bout you turn that frown upside down and make it a positive? I've met quite a few friends from grinding spots where we grouped up.
This argument that more than 2 people lowers xp forgets a huge part: yeah the xp is lesser, but you're killing mobs faster also.
So hows about next time instead of whining, you shoot that random a group invite and grind together? Even if it is more than 2 people?
How's that for etiquette?
Perhaps your idea is sound with the caveat that all parties be consensual to the additional person or persons now striking your monsters. If you were already there the etiquette would dictate that you have the ownership of the route and if you'd like to invite them that's great but they should ask and you should be the one to consent.
If consent is not given I don't think they should be able to proceed and violate your grind spot.
See, there's your problem. You think you own it. You don't. Nobody has a claim on overland.
You'd be much happier and would have more fun if you could just share.
I don't agree with your logic. Assuming you may not be an American citizen the traffic laws in the United States allow people to have the "right of way". The person that has the "right of way" has the ownership of that lane.
Another example would be public spaces. If you or I are standing in a spot it wouldn't be legal to try and occupy the spot you are standing in by moving you away from it or just body pushing you out of it as you have lease or temporary ownership of it.
Just the same if an individual is using the restroom and it is a public restroom you do not use the same urinal or toilet they do since it's "public" but have the etiquette to allow them temporary occupancy of said facility.
Born and raised Texan goat.
Just like if I go to a park to graze and there are other people there, we all share the space and are civil.
Same courtesy applies here. It's not your space. It's a shared space.
Gotta learn to share it.
Let me pose another example. Assuming you went to the gym in the past or had a membership at some point. Maybe you simply just went in highschool or college but that's not relevant. if you are using the bench press or using the treadmill as you may or may not have you would then have occupancy of said treadmill.
No one would have the right to occupy that treadmill with you until you gave it up willingly, the owner asked you to leave, or you had finished utilizing it to lose weight or strengthen your body.
Except grinding xp in a public area and working out on a one-person machine are two very different things.
A better example would be the gym pool. You'd have to share that pool.
I think you're applying backwards courtesy. If you've ever been in a gym pool you would understand that each person has a lane. While someone is occupying that lane they have temporary ownership or lease of it.
If you ever decide to get a gym membership or visit your local YMCA you should check out how it works. You can't swim on top of each other.
There is a reason why we say things like "Excuse me", in the grocery store. We don't just push our way through stating "You must learn to share".
You still gotta share that pool, lanes or no (yes, some have no lanes).
Public space, public courtesy.
You'd seriously have a better time if you saw it that way. Stop trying to make others conform to your expectations. Just roll with it.
Your understanding of courtesy is backwards and I am not trying to get anyone to conform. I am only suggesting that we be more polite and respectful to each other. I guess a better way of putting it is to have a bit of class.
No, you are suggesting we police public areas for your benefit.
No, I am suggesting that you have a bit of class.
I don't think you read my post.
I read it just fine. Did you read mine?
Public space means no one has a claim.
Learn to share or you're gonna continue to be miserable when you grind these areas.
Since I am having trouble believing you read my post or understand what I am stating let me try to explain it more clearly in this follow-up.
If I am grinding in a spot and an individual is desperately trying to deprive me and my friend(s) of XP by using movement abilities, Major Expeditions, perhaps teleports, to get to other groups of monsters before we do and kite them away deliberately that is not sharing.
If the malicious individual is doing this deliberately with the goal of preventing me and my friend(s) from even using that spot that is not sharing and it becomes ridiculous. Based on your statements, assuming you understand this argument, you're advocating for that person to partake in said act and it is their right to do that as it is public and my friends and I must either adopt classes that offer movement speeds or skills to keep up and still attain XP whilst said individual tries to get us to leave by depriving us of Xp
Dude if you have issues with people like that, just move to another spot.
You can't govern the behavior of others in a game. All you can do is control your reactions.
You are confusing governance, policing, and enforcing with being polite and respectful. That is why you and I can't agree. In your mind, if it's not 'illegal' it is okay. In my mind, I want to be respectful of other's and their personal space, rights, and dignity.
Yeah don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say anything about that. I said if its a public space, you gotta share, and if you get someone being a tool, you are better off finding somewhere else rather than argue with them.
From my perspective, it's far more respectful and courteous to try to share a space and coexist, than to assert your rights and belligerently stake out what you perceive to be yours.
I believe you are confusing governance, policing, and enforcement with politeness. Not everyone is polite or has decency and I don't expect them to but it would be nice if they did.0 -
AlienatedGoat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Frankly if its open to the public, it is free game.
How bout you turn that frown upside down and make it a positive? I've met quite a few friends from grinding spots where we grouped up.
This argument that more than 2 people lowers xp forgets a huge part: yeah the xp is lesser, but you're killing mobs faster also.
So hows about next time instead of whining, you shoot that random a group invite and grind together? Even if it is more than 2 people?
How's that for etiquette?
Perhaps your idea is sound with the caveat that all parties be consensual to the additional person or persons now striking your monsters. If you were already there the etiquette would dictate that you have the ownership of the route and if you'd like to invite them that's great but they should ask and you should be the one to consent.
If consent is not given I don't think they should be able to proceed and violate your grind spot.
See, there's your problem. You think you own it. You don't. Nobody has a claim on overland.
You'd be much happier and would have more fun if you could just share.
I don't agree with your logic. Assuming you may not be an American citizen the traffic laws in the United States allow people to have the "right of way". The person that has the "right of way" has the ownership of that lane.
Another example would be public spaces. If you or I are standing in a spot it wouldn't be legal to try and occupy the spot you are standing in by moving you away from it or just body pushing you out of it as you have lease or temporary ownership of it.
Just the same if an individual is using the restroom and it is a public restroom you do not use the same urinal or toilet they do since it's "public" but have the etiquette to allow them temporary occupancy of said facility.
Born and raised Texan goat.
Just like if I go to a park to graze and there are other people there, we all share the space and are civil.
Same courtesy applies here. It's not your space. It's a shared space.
Gotta learn to share it.
Let me pose another example. Assuming you went to the gym in the past or had a membership at some point. Maybe you simply just went in highschool or college but that's not relevant. if you are using the bench press or using the treadmill as you may or may not have you would then have occupancy of said treadmill.
No one would have the right to occupy that treadmill with you until you gave it up willingly, the owner asked you to leave, or you had finished utilizing it to lose weight or strengthen your body.
Except grinding xp in a public area and working out on a one-person machine are two very different things.
A better example would be the gym pool. You'd have to share that pool.
I think you're applying backwards courtesy. If you've ever been in a gym pool you would understand that each person has a lane. While someone is occupying that lane they have temporary ownership or lease of it.
If you ever decide to get a gym membership or visit your local YMCA you should check out how it works. You can't swim on top of each other.
There is a reason why we say things like "Excuse me", in the grocery store. We don't just push our way through stating "You must learn to share".
You still gotta share that pool, lanes or no (yes, some have no lanes).
Public space, public courtesy.
You'd seriously have a better time if you saw it that way. Stop trying to make others conform to your expectations. Just roll with it.
Your understanding of courtesy is backwards and I am not trying to get anyone to conform. I am only suggesting that we be more polite and respectful to each other. I guess a better way of putting it is to have a bit of class.
No, you are suggesting we police public areas for your benefit.
No, I am suggesting that you have a bit of class.
I don't think you read my post.
I read it just fine. Did you read mine?
Public space means no one has a claim.
Learn to share or you're gonna continue to be miserable when you grind these areas.
Since I am having trouble believing you read my post or understand what I am stating let me try to explain it more clearly in this follow-up.
If I am grinding in a spot and an individual is desperately trying to deprive me and my friend(s) of XP by using movement abilities, Major Expeditions, perhaps teleports, to get to other groups of monsters before we do and kite them away deliberately that is not sharing.
If the malicious individual is doing this deliberately with the goal of preventing me and my friend(s) from even using that spot that is not sharing and it becomes ridiculous. Based on your statements, assuming you understand this argument, you're advocating for that person to partake in said act and it is their right to do that as it is public and my friends and I must either adopt classes that offer movement speeds or skills to keep up and still attain XP whilst said individual tries to get us to leave by depriving us of Xp
Dude if you have issues with people like that, just move to another spot.
You can't govern the behavior of others in a game. All you can do is control your reactions.
You are confusing governance, policing, and enforcing with being polite and respectful. That is why you and I can't agree. In your mind, if it's not 'illegal' it is okay. In my mind, I want to be respectful of other's and their personal space, rights, and dignity.
Yeah don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say anything about that. I said if its a public space, you gotta share, and if you get someone being a tool, you are better off finding somewhere else rather than argue with them.
From my perspective, it's far more respectful and courteous to try to share a space and coexist, than to assert your rights and belligerently stake out what you perceive to be yours.
I believe you are confusing governance, policing, and enforcement with politeness. Not everyone is polite or has decency and I don't expect them to but it would be nice if they did.
I'm really not. I don't know why you keep saying that.
Good luck to you. You're gonna need it with that attitude.PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaaa2 -
Runefang✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Overland is for all. I can grind wherever.
Politeness in grind spots is about completing pulls, following the train etc. It's not about not joining in.2 -
Highlor3✭✭✭✭OP just reminds me of this one 12-people-group leader at Imperial City's Districts, during IC event, asking me to leave the premisses, because they were killing Bosses and I was stealing their healer's loot, that the etiquette dictates I shouldn't.[PC-NA] CP 1810+ The Conquest of Tamriel & Taverna do MestreThe Scientia Consortium:[PC-EU] CP 300+ Autumn Rose & Portucale- Rodbertus Quercus, Imperial, Dragonknight [EP]
- Robert Bethencourt, Breton, Templar [DC]
- Karlindah Telvanni, Dunmer, Sorcerer [AD]
- Hejthuxis (former Raises-Her-Rear), Argonian, Nightblade [EP]
- Limeril Bravewind, Altmer, Warden [AD]
- Isilarelen, Dunmer, Dragonknight [EP]
- Elindael, Bosmer, Warden [AD]
- Hrodberaht Bright-Fame, "Nordguard", Warden [EP]
- Ra'Kham, Khajiit, Nightblade [DC]
- Brazilia gra-Bagol, Orsimer, Dragonknight [EP]
- Nirrah al-Hegathe, Redguard, Necromancer [DC]
- Theodora Quercus, Imperial, Templar [DC]
- Cainneach the Pale, Reachman, Necromancer [AD]
- Dughlas af-Fearley, Redguard, Sorcerer [DC]
- Roze Cloturier, Breton, Arcanist [AD]
- Vinnus Limia, Imperial, Templar [AD]
- Ravhungorn Orangewood, Bosmer, Arcanist [EP]
- Adaltos Indoril, Dunmer, Templar [EP]
- Geralt of Evermore, Breton, Dragonknight [DC]
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- Bruis al-Shornhelm, Breton, Nightblade [DC]
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randomkeyhits✭✭✭✭✭This etiquette is and always will be between a small part of the player base. Most players do not use the forums and would not know of it and to be fair would not care even if they did. They have all the same rights and access to any overland creature and how they use their time is completely up to them.
That you wish to constrain them for your own benefit can be summed up in one word. Entitlement.EU PS41 -
Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭OP just reminds me of this one 12-people-group leader at Imperial City's Districts, during IC event, asking me to leave the premisses, because they were killing Bosses and I was stealing their healer's loot, that the etiquette dictates I shouldn't.
Honestly, if you need 12 people for IC bosses.....:P0 -
Aesthier✭✭✭✭✭I will acquiesce,
to your request,
provided in turn,
my quest mobs I may burn.Edited by Aesthier on April 2, 2018 9:18AM2 -
Enslaved✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭OP seems to be entitled to an entire area he/she/it enters in an MMORPG. Meme to describe this is yet to be discovered.2 -
ku5h✭✭✭✭✭
✭What if all the grind spots are taken, which is the reason most ppl overpopulate grind spots. Are ppl supposed to take a number and stand in line for their turn?
There are much more grinders then grind spots, so you'll have to share.4 -
Mannix1958✭✭✭✭Fellow denizens of Tamriel I come to you with a plea for peace. Currently there is no etiquette regarding grind spots within Tamriel. Players grief others, take their spots, and invade their much needed XP sources out of pure maliciousness or simply because they don't understand how XP works within this game.
Some important points before I go further:- Any more than two players tagging a monster lowers XP.
- Two players in a party will receive slightly more XP than one.
- Whilst tagging monsters a two man group is tagging you are hurting their XP and your own.
Moving on, it is very rude to invade other players grind spots when they were there before you. Please try to take a careful survey of the area for massive amounts of corpses and run the route to determine if that spot is indeed taken. It is bad form to try and compete with other people who have time constraints and only wish to gain XP and enjoy the event. I say this now as the anniversary event approaches I hope the community has a better understanding and willful respect for each other's grind areas after reading this.
As a community, in order to enforce etiquette when grinding, we need to make it so the community at large frowns upon such behavior and that we, as a collective, set a precedent to discourage others from partaking in this harmful and upsetting activity. Guild leaders should warn their members to not engage in grind spot theft or competition if the spot was previously taken. In addition, those that have been offended by a grind spot thief should seek that players guild leader through some means.
It is important that we remember there are tons of grind spots in this game and an instanced one if all else fails which is Skyreach Catacombs. If you aren't prepared level or gear wise for Skyreach you may also take part in Dolmens which allow all raid members to gain XP that partake in the Dolmen activity.
Thank you and happy anniversary.
Yeah like we don't pay for the game and have the same argument....its an MMO!0 -
Kalgert✭✭✭✭✭Frankly if its open to the public, it is free game.
How bout you turn that frown upside down and make it a positive? I've met quite a few friends from grinding spots where we grouped up.
This argument that more than 2 people lowers xp forgets a huge part: yeah the xp is lesser, but you're killing mobs faster also.
So hows about next time instead of whining, you shoot that random a group invite and grind together? Even if it is more than 2 people?
How's that for etiquette?
Perhaps your idea is sound with the caveat that all parties be consensual to the additional person or persons now striking your monsters. If you were already there the etiquette would dictate that you have the ownership of the route and if you'd like to invite them that's great but they should ask and you should be the one to consent.
If consent is not given I don't think they should be able to proceed and violate your grind spot.
See, there's your problem. You think you own it. You don't. Nobody has a claim on overland.
You'd be much happier and would have more fun if you could just share.
I don't agree with your logic. Assuming you may not be an American citizen the traffic laws in the United States allow people to have the "right of way". The person that has the "right of way" has the ownership of that lane.
Another example would be public spaces. If you or I are standing in a spot it wouldn't be legal to try and occupy the spot you are standing in by moving you away from it or just body pushing you out of it as you have lease or temporary ownership of it.
Just the same if an individual is using the restroom and it is a public restroom you do not use the same urinal or toilet they do since it's "public" but have the etiquette to allow them temporary occupancy of said facility.
Born and raised Texan goat.
Just like if I go to a park to graze and there are other people there, we all share the space and are civil.
Same courtesy applies here. It's not your space. It's a shared space.
Gotta learn to share it.
Let me pose another example. Assuming you went to the gym in the past or had a membership at some point. Maybe you simply just went in highschool or college but that's not relevant. if you are using the bench press or using the treadmill as you may or may not have you would then have occupancy of said treadmill.
No one would have the right to occupy that treadmill with you until you gave it up willingly, the owner asked you to leave, or you had finished utilizing it to lose weight or strengthen your body.
Except grinding xp in a public area and working out on a one-person machine are two very different things.
A better example would be the gym pool. You'd have to share that pool.
I think you're applying backwards courtesy. If you've ever been in a gym pool you would understand that each person has a lane. While someone is occupying that lane they have temporary ownership or lease of it.
If you ever decide to get a gym membership or visit your local YMCA you should check out how it works. You can't swim on top of each other.
There is a reason why we say things like "Excuse me", in the grocery store. We don't just push our way through stating "You must learn to share".
You still gotta share that pool, lanes or no (yes, some have no lanes).
Public space, public courtesy.
You'd seriously have a better time if you saw it that way. Stop trying to make others conform to your expectations. Just roll with it.
Your understanding of courtesy is backwards and I am not trying to get anyone to conform. I am only suggesting that we be more polite and respectful to each other. I guess a better way of putting it is to have a bit of class.
No, you are suggesting we police public areas for your benefit.
No, I am suggesting that you have a bit of class.
I don't think you read my post.
I read it just fine. Did you read mine?
Public space means no one has a claim.
Learn to share or you're gonna continue to be miserable when you grind these areas.
Since I am having trouble believing you read my post or understand what I am stating let me try to explain it more clearly in this follow-up.
If I am grinding in a spot and an individual is desperately trying to deprive me and my friend(s) of XP by using movement abilities, Major Expeditions, perhaps teleports, to get to other groups of monsters before we do and kite them away deliberately that is not sharing.
If the malicious individual is doing this deliberately with the goal of preventing me and my friend(s) from even using that spot that is not sharing and it becomes ridiculous. Based on your statements, assuming you understand this argument, you're advocating for that person to partake in said act and it is their right to do that as it is public and my friends and I must either adopt classes that offer movement speeds or skills to keep up and still attain XP whilst said individual tries to get us to leave by depriving us of XP.
I do not believe that was stated in your original post. If you started woth the story of "Oh people are dragging my XP away", then the discussion would roll out differently. I, however, have doubts that this is an actual thing, so I think you're talking complete nonsense.
As if all of your responses aren't complete nonsense to begin with. What I keep reading is what sounds like someone being miserable because people are joining in on the grind train, which makes absolutely no sense because as far as I know, everything is shared, so you can kill everything someone else is killing, and you will get the credit for the kills.
Expecting this concept of "Etiquette" for grinding is like expecting big pubilshers to change in their ways anytime soon. I don't know of any person who will think about walking away from a spot, because the spot is already occupied by some players. More likely they will join in, the more the merrier... Unless the group is a bunch of unhinged man-babies who get upset that someone is rolling with them.1 -
BlueViolet✭✭✭✭✭I used to be polite about it. If I saw people obviously grinding or whatever, where I was questing, I'd try to avoid getting in their way.
However, after being abused, sworn at, told to leave areas etc on numerous occasions ( for nothing more than being in an area ) by jackasses who think that mobs are their sole property, I don't give a crap about being polite anymore. If I'm doing a quest in that area then I'm going to do what I need to do and kill what I need to kill to finish my questing.
Maybe some grinders need to take a long hard look at an etiquette thread themselves.
Edited by BlueViolet on April 2, 2018 9:55AMEU / NA / PC7