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Regarding a Few Warden Skills

Ch4mpTW
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What PvE purpose(s) do the following skills serve?
- Arctic Wind
- Crystallized Shield
- Sleet Storm
- Healing Seed
- Nature’s Grasp
- Falcon’s Swiftness

Does anyone know the purpose of those skills? Because unless if a niche tank and or healer, I can’t seem to figure out what purpose(s) they have. Especially as a DPS and or solo player. Thanks in advance.

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  • Ch4mpTW
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    xbobx wrote: »
    Ch4mpTW wrote: »
    Not every skill have to be useful in every single situation. All the skills youve listed have a place where they can be good.
    Arctic wind - nice self heal for a tank.
    Crystallized shield - reflect. VERY useful in PvP and have some use in a few projectile heavy bossfights in PvE.
    Sleet storm - some aoe dmg and major protection(!!!)
    Healing seed - heal is irrelevant, its used as an extra synergy for the alkosh uptime.
    Natures grasp - not much use in Pve but can be good for a PvP healer
    Falcon swiftness gives you minor berserk.

    Why would a tank use Arctic Wind over something like Soothing Spores or the other morph? I don’t see how Crystalized Shield would be remotely useful in PvE, when Harness Magicka exists (a ward that also returns more magicka back than Crystalized Shield. Sleet Storm is completely outclassed by either the destruction staff ultimate or bear ultimate. Healing Seed is highly questionable, and is again an extreme waste (when compared to the others). Nature’s Grasp serves 0 purpose and or uses (even in PvP). And lastly, Falcon’s Swiftness seems questionable outside of PvP (unless a magicka build). And even then, it might be passed up for something else.

    I again don’t quite see the uses for any of those skills.

    go do scalecaller peak and you will see how great crystallized shield can be.
    falcon swiftness gives 8 percent damage bonus and 20 percent stamina regen. how is that useless, to me is quite powerful, actually extremely powerful.
    Arctic wind
    sleet storm isn't about damage its about not being damage. gives you 8 percent more magic just slotted. ya i know, completely useless, it does damage, reduces movement of mobs and lowers their damage by 30 percent. Seems pretty damn good actually. fyi, not everything is about damage otherwise army tanks would have massive guns and be made out of wicker.
    it seems like you are one of those people that are incapable of seeing outside the box and also didn't bother to do any research before posting

    Okay... Once again, why would you use Crystalized Shield over Harness Magicka? Harness shields you from ALL forms of damage, regardless of whether or it is projectile-based or not. It also returns way more magicka, than that it Crystalized Shield. The only benefits I see for it are PvP-based, and that it synergizes with the passive that boosts resistances for being slotted. Outside of the strict application of PvP, it’s outclassed by a ward accessible to all classes.

    Falcon Swiftness is cool in that it does provide the berserk buff, but dude. That’s a slot you’d have to give up, in an already very tight series of skills. And while 8% more damage is nice and all, is it REALLY worth picking over the other options that are more standardized on your bars? I don’t think so. And that’s: In dungeons, VMA, and or trials. I don’t see why you’d sacrifice a slot for it. You’d lose something way more important.

    Sleet Storm is about mitigation, and not damage...? Fair point (it grants Major Protection after all). But, who is slotting that? Even if for the max magicka buff (which is cool and definitely well-received if magicka-based), I don’t see why you’d use it over the destruction staff ultimate. Or bear for that matter, being as the bear has a pseudo-execute thing going on (it actually can hit pretty hard lol). And if you wanted an “oh crap” ultimate, why not use Enchanted Forest? It’s both cheap and extremely powerful. Plus, it synergizes wonderfully with the passives in that skill line.

    As for Arctic Wind, it’s a terrible skill. Seriously. It’s horrible. Maybe if it was on par to the “Cloak” skills in Skyrim, where said wrappings of the element in question did decent damage. Then it’d be looked at. Because as it is, it’s a joke. And even from a stamina build perspective, why would you use that over the DW skill that reduced AoE damage? Or another skill of solid usefulness. Again, it would serve no purpose, but to gain 500 resistances from the passive within its skill line.

    Edit:
    Think about all of those skills I listed, and ask yourself if you’d really consider those skills when doing end-game content. Considering this thread after all is based upon said skills from a PvE perspective. And not a PvP 1. And even then, I’m not talking about veteran trials. As they’d definitely be cast aside. I’m talking about just doing veteran dailies and their respective difficult modes. Why would you use those skills, when vastly superior alternatives exist? Unless you’re roleplaying or something of the sort.

    Case and point, you’re doing a daily for VCoH2 or VCoA2 or something. And your healer has on Nature’s Grasp and Healing Seed, over Combat Prayer and Healing Springs. See what I mean?
    Edited by Ch4mpTW on April 2, 2018 4:13AM
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  • PhantomOcelot
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    Not every skill have to be useful in every single situation. All the skills youve listed have a place where they can be good.
    Arctic wind - nice self heal for a tank.
    Crystallized shield - reflect. VERY useful in PvP and have some use in a few projectile heavy bossfights in PvE.
    Sleet storm - some aoe dmg and major protection(!!!)
    Healing seed - heal is irrelevant, its used as an extra synergy for the alkosh uptime.
    Natures grasp - not much use in Pve but can be good for a PvP healer
    Falcon swiftness gives you minor berserk.
    Edited by PhantomOcelot on April 2, 2018 12:58AM
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  • Ch4mpTW
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    Not every skill have to be useful in every single situation. All the skills youve listed have a place where they can be good.
    Arctic wind - nice self heal for a tank.
    Crystallized shield - reflect. VERY useful in PvP and have some use in a few projectile heavy bossfights in PvE.
    Sleet storm - some aoe dmg and major protection(!!!)
    Healing seed - heal is irrelevant, its used as an extra synergy for the alkosh uptime.
    Natures grasp - not much use in Pve but can be good for a PvP healer
    Falcon swiftness gives you minor berserk.

    Why would a tank use Arctic Wind over something like Soothing Spores or the other morph? I don’t see how Crystalized Shield would be remotely useful in PvE, when Harness Magicka exists (a ward that also returns more magicka back than Crystalized Shield. Sleet Storm is completely outclassed by either the destruction staff ultimate or bear ultimate. Healing Seed is highly questionable, and is again an extreme waste (when compared to the others). Nature’s Grasp serves 0 purpose and or uses (even in PvP). And lastly, Falcon’s Swiftness seems questionable outside of PvP (unless a magicka build). And even then, it might be passed up for something else.

    I again don’t quite see the uses for any of those skills.
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    I love natures grasp in pvp <3
    Edited by FrostFallFox on April 2, 2018 3:28AM
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  • Ch4mpTW
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    I love natures grasp in pvp <3

    ...? What does it even do? In PvE or PvP applications. It’s like DK’s Empowering Chains, in that it’s a “gap-closer”. However, it heals both you and or the target...? So, how exactly would that come in handy in either PvE or PvP situations? Especially when you’d have no room for it. Things like: Healings Springs, Combat Prayer, Mutagen, etc. all exist. Why would you use Nature’s Grasp? I don’t understand.
    Edited by Ch4mpTW on April 2, 2018 3:35AM
  • VilniusNastavnik
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    Ch4mpTW wrote: »
    I love natures grasp in pvp <3

    ...? What does it even do? In PvE or PvP applications. It’s like DK’s Empowering Chains, in that it’s a “gap-closer”. However, it heals both you and or the target...? So, how exactly would that come in handy in either PvE or PvP situations? Especially when you’d have no room for it. Things like: Healings Springs, Combat Prayer, Mutagen, etc. all exist. Why would you use Nature’s Grasp? I don’t understand.

    Scenario 1:
    Your zerg makes a push for the scroll. Now normally you would have the person with the highest stamina do the scroll running, so generally the stamden running falcon swiftness. But, if you give it to a Magden who has bursting vines, they can spider man their way back to the keep by grappling onto the guy with the max speed on their horse.

    Scenario 2:
    You are defending a keep. You are on the ground outside destroying siege whilst alliance mates are up top laying counter siege.. reinforcements arrive, they are not your own. Spider-Man up onto the walls by vining your guildy avoiding the zerg.
    Edited by VilniusNastavnik on April 2, 2018 5:52AM
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  • Ragnarock41
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    Does every skill needs to be perfect for PvE?
    Edited by Ragnarock41 on April 2, 2018 3:49AM
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    Does every skill need a use for PvE?

    I’d think so. Especially when the vast majority of the game is based around and catered to PvE. Otherwise it’s literally “useless”, and deemed not even viable.

    I mean sure, take the other individual’s point about Nature’s Grasp. It’s actually a perfect example. Here’s a skill that within a PvE circumstance is actually useless. It’s garbage. And even in PvP, it again is garbage. However, it is being used under the strict circumstance of transporting you around while you have grabbed an object within a PvP environment; thus rendering you unable to mount. Let’s pause for a moment, and just think about that.... Just briefly. Here’s a skill that truly serves no purpose, but is used as a means of transportation when an object is grabbed within PvP environment, because you can’t mount. . . Do you get the point in trying to make? :|

    Still not convinced? Let’s look at Frozen Gate or whatever it’s called. What is it’s function? To teleport enemies Noob Saibot style? Last I checked, ESO wasn’t a fighting game. And in neither PvP, nor ANY form of PvE content would that skill be remotely useful. Not when DK “chaining” exists, and is dramatically better.
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    Ch4mpTW wrote: »
    Not every skill have to be useful in every single situation. All the skills youve listed have a place where they can be good.
    Arctic wind - nice self heal for a tank.
    Crystallized shield - reflect. VERY useful in PvP and have some use in a few projectile heavy bossfights in PvE.
    Sleet storm - some aoe dmg and major protection(!!!)
    Healing seed - heal is irrelevant, its used as an extra synergy for the alkosh uptime.
    Natures grasp - not much use in Pve but can be good for a PvP healer
    Falcon swiftness gives you minor berserk.

    Why would a tank use Arctic Wind over something like Soothing Spores or the other morph? I don’t see how Crystalized Shield would be remotely useful in PvE, when Harness Magicka exists (a ward that also returns more magicka back than Crystalized Shield. Sleet Storm is completely outclassed by either the destruction staff ultimate or bear ultimate. Healing Seed is highly questionable, and is again an extreme waste (when compared to the others). Nature’s Grasp serves 0 purpose and or uses (even in PvP). And lastly, Falcon’s Swiftness seems questionable outside of PvP (unless a magicka build). And even then, it might be passed up for something else.

    I again don’t quite see the uses for any of those skills.

    go do scalecaller peak and you will see how great crystallized shield can be.
    falcon swiftness gives 8 percent damage bonus and 20 percent stamina regen. how is that useless, to me is quite powerful, actually extremely powerful.
    Arctic wind
    sleet storm isn't about damage its about not being damage. gives you 8 percent more magic just slotted. ya i know, completely useless, it does damage, reduces movement of mobs and lowers their damage by 30 percent. Seems pretty damn good actually. fyi, not everything is about damage otherwise army tanks would have massive guns and be made out of wicker.
    it seems like you are one of those people that are incapable of seeing outside the box and also didn't bother to do any research before posting
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    crystallized shield stops a lot more damage then harness magic

    and not sure if you know this, but not everyone is magic based or wear 5 light armor

    how is a tank wearing heavy armor or stamina based character wearing medium going to use harness magicka ?

    i am starting to think you are just being a troll.

    also, falcon swiftness - you comments makes me sure you are troll because you ignored the 20 percent stamina regen, along with the 30 percent speed boost.

    are you saying 20 percent stamina regen boost and 8 percent damage bonus is a bad thing? i will use this skill if i don't need something defensive in my bar.

    please, reach up, and open the box you are in, or stop trolling

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