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Please buff all other classes up to match Sorc
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Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »CyborgPlatypus wrote: »That's probably bots and sorcs aren't meta. Night blades are.
Sorcs aren't really that much worse than the NB meta at the moment. And Sorcs never were bad. Nightblades were.
At least they are no longer BiS at literally every role now.
This sounds so salty lol. When were Sorcs the best at tanking and healing?
Well, from a PvP perspective they were basically hypermobile gods with shielstacking and high burst so they didnt really need a tank or healer . All you needed was just a few magsorcs and you basically wouldn't need any other class ^^.
Kind of like how it is with wardens at the moment. To be honest you can call me salty or whatever but when you see trials running like full magsorc DDs, you know something is messed up about balance. Of course those days are long over now, but I choose to remember it, just like how I remember when Dks were gods and nbs were the weakest class.
So you’re saying Sorcs were OP in PvP, therefore they must be “BiS at literally every role”. C’mon now lol.
Also Wardens are not at all as good as ppl make them out to be. In PvE they are nice offtanks, and can make pretty decent Stamina DPS. In PvP they are one of the stronger Stamina specs too. But as for Mag DPS and Healing in both PvE and PvP? Nope, not outclassing everyone else. And fighting Mag Wardens in particular is very easy because Scorch is so easy to avoid.
I have no profit out of lying to you about what sorc was in the past.. If you're not bright enough to understand that I used a methaphor to describe magsorcs as ''BiS at everything'', because a class with infinite shields does not need a healer nor a tank, thats an issue I can't help with.
And wardens are truly overloaded with good [snip] at the moment. I do honestly think every class should be like warden, in the sense that you should be able to take a class and play it as dd, healer or tank, warden is exactly that but it is overloaded with lots of passives to be able to have that kind of flexibility, and not to mention how good their skillset are. Wardens are so good that you can make a full PvP raid of wardens and have no issues with it. Warden tanks, stamdens, magdens, magden healers, stamden healers, Best or not, any warden combo is viable to do thanks to passives being too beneficial and wide variety of skills.
[Edited to remove profanity]Edited by ZOS_KatP on March 29, 2018 3:58PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Where is the Warden DPS toolkit (=active skills) good? It's underwhelming and pretty boring. Just because Shalks is a great skill the rest musn't be great as well. Wardens heavily rely on damage skills outside their class skill lines. That's not different for other classes but when it comes to damage skills the Warden is quite limited in comparison.Edited by Seraphayel on March 29, 2018 6:15AMPS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Honestly, newbie zones are completely over-run with armies of Clanfears, Familiars and Twilights from all the FOTM re-rollers.
Hilarious...... Sorc FOTM?? what game are you playing?
To bring the other classes level the majority would need a nerf now. Armies of pets in starter zones is normally botters or gold miners as honestly Sorc is neither OP or FOTM And all decent players agree.
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WuffyCerulei✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Pretty sure you're just seeing bots."Buzz Lightyear toy isle shot" Stormcalling/Animal Companions/Assassination PVP build hater
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Merlin13KAGL✭✭✭✭✭
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If you're not bright enought to understand what a metaphor is, I'd recommend not trying to call someone else out for calling you out on your literal post.Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »CyborgPlatypus wrote: »That's probably bots and sorcs aren't meta. Night blades are.
Sorcs aren't really that much worse than the NB meta at the moment. And Sorcs never were bad. Nightblades were.
At least they are no longer BiS at literally every role now.
This sounds so salty lol. When were Sorcs the best at tanking and healing?
Well, from a PvP perspective they were basically hypermobile gods with shielstacking and high burst so they didnt really need a tank or healer . All you needed was just a few magsorcs and you basically wouldn't need any other class ^^.
Kind of like how it is with wardens at the moment. To be honest you can call me salty or whatever but when you see trials running like full magsorc DDs, you know something is messed up about balance. Of course those days are long over now, but I choose to remember it, just like how I remember when Dks were gods and nbs were the weakest class.
So you’re saying Sorcs were OP in PvP, therefore they must be “BiS at literally every role”. C’mon now lol.
Also Wardens are not at all as good as ppl make them out to be. In PvE they are nice offtanks, and can make pretty decent Stamina DPS. In PvP they are one of the stronger Stamina specs too. But as for Mag DPS and Healing in both PvE and PvP? Nope, not outclassing everyone else. And fighting Mag Wardens in particular is very easy because Scorch is so easy to avoid.
I have no profit out of lying to you about what sorc was in the past.. If you're not bright enough to understand that I used a methaphor
...and right here is where you lose all remaining credibility.to describe magsorcs as ''BiS at everything'', because a class with infinite shields does not need a healer nor a tank, thats an issue I can't help with.- No infinite shields.
- Any class can be tanky.
- Any class can self heal.
- None of these things somehow translate to BiS all roles, even in the very limited context you're trying to view it in.
I also assure you, @Vaoh doesn't require any history lessons.
Edited by Merlin13KAGL on March 29, 2018 11:20AMJust because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
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aeowulf✭✭✭✭✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »
yeah! 'Buff' all tanks and healers to be as good as NB are in those roles!0 -
aeowulf✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »CyborgPlatypus wrote: »That's probably bots and sorcs aren't meta. Night blades are.
Sorcs aren't really that much worse than the NB meta at the moment. And Sorcs never were bad. Nightblades were.
At least sorcs are no longer BiS at literally every role now, and nbs were actually always somewhat strong, at the moment they are more than strong.
really? I thought DK were stronger tanks and templars stronger healers than NB in those roles right now.
Might be worth clarifying. IF NB are only considered for one role, then they should be very strong in that role. (Like DK tank & templar healer). A class that is considered for multiple roles, should be weaker, but have a different strength in being more flexible. And NB ARE only ever considered for one role on these forums.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »CyborgPlatypus wrote: »That's probably bots and sorcs aren't meta. Night blades are.
Sorcs aren't really that much worse than the NB meta at the moment. And Sorcs never were bad. Nightblades were.
At least sorcs are no longer BiS at literally every role now, and nbs were actually always somewhat strong, at the moment they are more than strong.
really? I thought DK were stronger tanks and templars stronger healers than NB in those roles right now.
Might be worth clarifying. IF NB are only considered for one role, then they should be very strong in that role. (Like DK tank & templar healer). A class that is considered for multiple roles, should be weaker, but have a different strength in being more flexible. And NB ARE only ever considered for one role on these forums.
Tanking and Healing on NB (just like tanking and healing on Sorcs) works perfectly fine. Not if you're shooting for Raid top scores probably, but doing anything up to vet DLC content and Craglorn trials should be no problem.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.0 -
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✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »
But look at PVE! Everything is balanced and people are having fun!
It wouldn’t be a good day if I couldn’t mock the irony of your posting...2 -
Zorgon_The_Revenged✭✭✭✭✭Honestly, newbie zones are completely over-run with armies of Clanfears, Familiars and Twilights from all the FOTM re-rollers.
That's just players getting some skill points/sky shards on their crafters for the new jewelry crafting.Edited by Zorgon_The_Revenged on March 30, 2018 2:07AM0 -
The-Baconator✭✭✭✭Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
If you're not bright enought to understand what a metaphor is, I'd recommend not trying to call someone else out for calling you out on your literal post.Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »CyborgPlatypus wrote: »That's probably bots and sorcs aren't meta. Night blades are.
Sorcs aren't really that much worse than the NB meta at the moment. And Sorcs never were bad. Nightblades were.
At least they are no longer BiS at literally every role now.
This sounds so salty lol. When were Sorcs the best at tanking and healing?
Well, from a PvP perspective they were basically hypermobile gods with shielstacking and high burst so they didnt really need a tank or healer . All you needed was just a few magsorcs and you basically wouldn't need any other class ^^.
Kind of like how it is with wardens at the moment. To be honest you can call me salty or whatever but when you see trials running like full magsorc DDs, you know something is messed up about balance. Of course those days are long over now, but I choose to remember it, just like how I remember when Dks were gods and nbs were the weakest class.
So you’re saying Sorcs were OP in PvP, therefore they must be “BiS at literally every role”. C’mon now lol.
Also Wardens are not at all as good as ppl make them out to be. In PvE they are nice offtanks, and can make pretty decent Stamina DPS. In PvP they are one of the stronger Stamina specs too. But as for Mag DPS and Healing in both PvE and PvP? Nope, not outclassing everyone else. And fighting Mag Wardens in particular is very easy because Scorch is so easy to avoid.
I have no profit out of lying to you about what sorc was in the past.. If you're not bright enough to understand that I used a methaphor
...and right here is where you lose all remaining credibility.to describe magsorcs as ''BiS at everything'', because a class with infinite shields does not need a healer nor a tank, thats an issue I can't help with.- No infinite shields.
- Any class can be tanky.
- Any class can self heal.
- None of these things somehow translate to BiS all roles, even in the very limited context you're trying to view it in.
I also assure you, @Vaoh doesn't require any history lessons.
To be fair if he is referencing sorcs in 1.6\2.0 he's definitely correct. Prior to IC if I lost any fight open field that was less than a 1v5 it just felt embarrassing, and I spent 90% of my time in a build that was built around maximizing ap gains by bombing zergs--hardened\healing with prox det, impulse, streak, and clouding for AoE and only crushing + frag for single target--so I wasn't even using a build that was min maxed for traditional 1vX play.First PS4 NA Grand Overlord, Stormproof, and Flawless Conqueror.
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Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The-Baconator wrote: »Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
If you're not bright enought to understand what a metaphor is, I'd recommend not trying to call someone else out for calling you out on your literal post.Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »CyborgPlatypus wrote: »That's probably bots and sorcs aren't meta. Night blades are.
Sorcs aren't really that much worse than the NB meta at the moment. And Sorcs never were bad. Nightblades were.
At least they are no longer BiS at literally every role now.
This sounds so salty lol. When were Sorcs the best at tanking and healing?
Well, from a PvP perspective they were basically hypermobile gods with shielstacking and high burst so they didnt really need a tank or healer . All you needed was just a few magsorcs and you basically wouldn't need any other class ^^.
Kind of like how it is with wardens at the moment. To be honest you can call me salty or whatever but when you see trials running like full magsorc DDs, you know something is messed up about balance. Of course those days are long over now, but I choose to remember it, just like how I remember when Dks were gods and nbs were the weakest class.
So you’re saying Sorcs were OP in PvP, therefore they must be “BiS at literally every role”. C’mon now lol.
Also Wardens are not at all as good as ppl make them out to be. In PvE they are nice offtanks, and can make pretty decent Stamina DPS. In PvP they are one of the stronger Stamina specs too. But as for Mag DPS and Healing in both PvE and PvP? Nope, not outclassing everyone else. And fighting Mag Wardens in particular is very easy because Scorch is so easy to avoid.
I have no profit out of lying to you about what sorc was in the past.. If you're not bright enough to understand that I used a methaphor
...and right here is where you lose all remaining credibility.to describe magsorcs as ''BiS at everything'', because a class with infinite shields does not need a healer nor a tank, thats an issue I can't help with.- No infinite shields.
- Any class can be tanky.
- Any class can self heal.
- None of these things somehow translate to BiS all roles, even in the very limited context you're trying to view it in.
I also assure you, @Vaoh doesn't require any history lessons.
To be fair if he is referencing sorcs in 1.6\2.0 he's definitely correct. Prior to IC if I lost any fight open field that was less than a 1v5 it just felt embarrassing, and I spent 90% of my time in a build that was built around maximizing ap gains by bombing zergs--hardened\healing with prox det, impulse, streak, and clouding for AoE and only crushing + frag for single target--so I wasn't even using a build that was min maxed for traditional 1vX play.
I recognize you on PS4 NA and actually ran with you a few times before lol.
As for Sorcs pre-IC, weren’t you a PC transfer? I remember high-CP PC transfer players slaughtering ppl early in the game on console. Truly idk if you were one of them - I’ve only heard around all the time that this was the case but ofc can’t pass that off as fact. If you were, your particular experience might no be the best judge of that
It’s worth adding though that I felt the same way. I was leagues ahead of anyone else and legit 1vXed full groups back in the IC/Orsinium/Thieves Guild days on my Mag Sorc when it was OP. Even on my Mag NB I could do that though.1 -
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✭Seraphayel wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »CyborgPlatypus wrote: »That's probably bots and sorcs aren't meta. Night blades are.
Sorcs aren't really that much worse than the NB meta at the moment. And Sorcs never were bad. Nightblades were.
At least sorcs are no longer BiS at literally every role now, and nbs were actually always somewhat strong, at the moment they are more than strong.
Uuuuuhm NBs were the worst class in ESOs first year(s). They didn't have most of the tools they have now.
Only the first year. Past 1.5, it's been an invisible (no pun intended) powerful class. Only recently has it come to the surface. It's been powerful for 2-3 years already?Edited by IZZEFlameLash on March 30, 2018 3:30AMImperials, the one and true masters of all mortal races of Tamriel2 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The-Baconator wrote: »Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
If you're not bright enought to understand what a metaphor is, I'd recommend not trying to call someone else out for calling you out on your literal post.Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »CyborgPlatypus wrote: »That's probably bots and sorcs aren't meta. Night blades are.
Sorcs aren't really that much worse than the NB meta at the moment. And Sorcs never were bad. Nightblades were.
At least they are no longer BiS at literally every role now.
This sounds so salty lol. When were Sorcs the best at tanking and healing?
Well, from a PvP perspective they were basically hypermobile gods with shielstacking and high burst so they didnt really need a tank or healer . All you needed was just a few magsorcs and you basically wouldn't need any other class ^^.
Kind of like how it is with wardens at the moment. To be honest you can call me salty or whatever but when you see trials running like full magsorc DDs, you know something is messed up about balance. Of course those days are long over now, but I choose to remember it, just like how I remember when Dks were gods and nbs were the weakest class.
So you’re saying Sorcs were OP in PvP, therefore they must be “BiS at literally every role”. C’mon now lol.
Also Wardens are not at all as good as ppl make them out to be. In PvE they are nice offtanks, and can make pretty decent Stamina DPS. In PvP they are one of the stronger Stamina specs too. But as for Mag DPS and Healing in both PvE and PvP? Nope, not outclassing everyone else. And fighting Mag Wardens in particular is very easy because Scorch is so easy to avoid.
I have no profit out of lying to you about what sorc was in the past.. If you're not bright enough to understand that I used a methaphor
...and right here is where you lose all remaining credibility.to describe magsorcs as ''BiS at everything'', because a class with infinite shields does not need a healer nor a tank, thats an issue I can't help with.- No infinite shields.
- Any class can be tanky.
- Any class can self heal.
- None of these things somehow translate to BiS all roles, even in the very limited context you're trying to view it in.
I also assure you, @Vaoh doesn't require any history lessons.
To be fair if he is referencing sorcs in 1.6\2.0 he's definitely correct. Prior to IC if I lost any fight open field that was less than a 1v5 it just felt embarrassing, and I spent 90% of my time in a build that was built around maximizing ap gains by bombing zergs--hardened\healing with prox det, impulse, streak, and clouding for AoE and only crushing + frag for single target--so I wasn't even using a build that was min maxed for traditional 1vX play.
As I said, I choose to remember, Thanks for the memories though
Edited by Ragnarock41 on March 30, 2018 1:05PM0 -
reiverx✭✭✭✭✭The-Baconator wrote: »Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
If you're not bright enought to understand what a metaphor is, I'd recommend not trying to call someone else out for calling you out on your literal post.Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »CyborgPlatypus wrote: »That's probably bots and sorcs aren't meta. Night blades are.
Sorcs aren't really that much worse than the NB meta at the moment. And Sorcs never were bad. Nightblades were.
At least they are no longer BiS at literally every role now.
This sounds so salty lol. When were Sorcs the best at tanking and healing?
Well, from a PvP perspective they were basically hypermobile gods with shielstacking and high burst so they didnt really need a tank or healer . All you needed was just a few magsorcs and you basically wouldn't need any other class ^^.
Kind of like how it is with wardens at the moment. To be honest you can call me salty or whatever but when you see trials running like full magsorc DDs, you know something is messed up about balance. Of course those days are long over now, but I choose to remember it, just like how I remember when Dks were gods and nbs were the weakest class.
So you’re saying Sorcs were OP in PvP, therefore they must be “BiS at literally every role”. C’mon now lol.
Also Wardens are not at all as good as ppl make them out to be. In PvE they are nice offtanks, and can make pretty decent Stamina DPS. In PvP they are one of the stronger Stamina specs too. But as for Mag DPS and Healing in both PvE and PvP? Nope, not outclassing everyone else. And fighting Mag Wardens in particular is very easy because Scorch is so easy to avoid.
I have no profit out of lying to you about what sorc was in the past.. If you're not bright enough to understand that I used a methaphor
...and right here is where you lose all remaining credibility.to describe magsorcs as ''BiS at everything'', because a class with infinite shields does not need a healer nor a tank, thats an issue I can't help with.- No infinite shields.
- Any class can be tanky.
- Any class can self heal.
- None of these things somehow translate to BiS all roles, even in the very limited context you're trying to view it in.
I also assure you, @Vaoh doesn't require any history lessons.
To be fair if he is referencing sorcs in 1.6\2.0 he's definitely correct. Prior to IC if I lost any fight open field that was less than a 1v5 it just felt embarrassing, and I spent 90% of my time in a build that was built around maximizing ap gains by bombing zergs--hardened\healing with prox det, impulse, streak, and clouding for AoE and only crushing + frag for single target--so I wasn't even using a build that was min maxed for traditional 1vX play.
I recognize you on PS4 NA and actually ran with you a few times before lol.
As for Sorcs pre-IC, weren’t you a PC transfer? I remember high-CP PC transfer players slaughtering ppl early in the game on console. Truly idk if you were one of them - I’ve only heard around all the time that this was the case but ofc can’t pass that off as fact. If you were, your particular experience might no be the best judge of that
It’s worth adding though that I felt the same way. I was leagues ahead of anyone else and legit 1vXed full groups back in the IC/Orsinium/Thieves Guild days on my Mag Sorc when it was OP. Even on my Mag NB I could do that though.
I remember those days. It was pure cheese.0 -
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✭The NB/Sorc argument over which of them is performing best in PvP seems silly.
From down here they look equally strong. I don't feel a need to distinguish between overpowered and too strong.
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jnelson1182✭✭So strictly when it comes to pve endgame stuff how close does a fire build mag DK compare to a mag sorc running a one pet build, or two if that's better I'm still learning? the reason I'm asking is because I enjoy playing my DK more than my sorc but have been told that mag DK's are not wanted in trials or something along those lines, can anyone clarify this a little for me? I must don't wanna put so much time into a character that's going to end up as my alt rather than putting most my time into my main.* Maccb- Level 50 DragonKnight- Fire mage type build/ BSW body, Valkyn Skoria mister set, & Willpower Jewelry/Random Flame/Lightning/Reston STAFF's
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✭✭✭✭Sorc and NBs aren't OP, other classes just got shafted in the patches since Morrowind so they're now vastly underpowered outside of very narrow builds, compared to classes that didn't suffer nearly as much from those changes. Templars and magDens especially need buffs to their overall damage output, while DKs(especially mag) are in dire need of changes to their resource management passives and ability costs.0 -
Jhalin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Sorc and NBs aren't OP, other classes just got shafted in the patches since Morrowind so they're now vastly underpowered outside of very narrow builds, compared to classes that didn't suffer nearly as much from those changes. Templars and magDens especially need buffs to their overall damage output, while DKs(especially mag) are in dire need of changes to their resource management passives and ability costs.0 -
The-Baconator✭✭✭✭The-Baconator wrote: »Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
If you're not bright enought to understand what a metaphor is, I'd recommend not trying to call someone else out for calling you out on your literal post.Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »CyborgPlatypus wrote: »That's probably bots and sorcs aren't meta. Night blades are.
Sorcs aren't really that much worse than the NB meta at the moment. And Sorcs never were bad. Nightblades were.
At least they are no longer BiS at literally every role now.
This sounds so salty lol. When were Sorcs the best at tanking and healing?
Well, from a PvP perspective they were basically hypermobile gods with shielstacking and high burst so they didnt really need a tank or healer . All you needed was just a few magsorcs and you basically wouldn't need any other class ^^.
Kind of like how it is with wardens at the moment. To be honest you can call me salty or whatever but when you see trials running like full magsorc DDs, you know something is messed up about balance. Of course those days are long over now, but I choose to remember it, just like how I remember when Dks were gods and nbs were the weakest class.
So you’re saying Sorcs were OP in PvP, therefore they must be “BiS at literally every role”. C’mon now lol.
Also Wardens are not at all as good as ppl make them out to be. In PvE they are nice offtanks, and can make pretty decent Stamina DPS. In PvP they are one of the stronger Stamina specs too. But as for Mag DPS and Healing in both PvE and PvP? Nope, not outclassing everyone else. And fighting Mag Wardens in particular is very easy because Scorch is so easy to avoid.
I have no profit out of lying to you about what sorc was in the past.. If you're not bright enough to understand that I used a methaphor
...and right here is where you lose all remaining credibility.to describe magsorcs as ''BiS at everything'', because a class with infinite shields does not need a healer nor a tank, thats an issue I can't help with.- No infinite shields.
- Any class can be tanky.
- Any class can self heal.
- None of these things somehow translate to BiS all roles, even in the very limited context you're trying to view it in.
I also assure you, @Vaoh doesn't require any history lessons.
To be fair if he is referencing sorcs in 1.6\2.0 he's definitely correct. Prior to IC if I lost any fight open field that was less than a 1v5 it just felt embarrassing, and I spent 90% of my time in a build that was built around maximizing ap gains by bombing zergs--hardened\healing with prox det, impulse, streak, and clouding for AoE and only crushing + frag for single target--so I wasn't even using a build that was min maxed for traditional 1vX play.
I recognize you on PS4 NA and actually ran with you a few times before lol.
As for Sorcs pre-IC, weren’t you a PC transfer? I remember high-CP PC transfer players slaughtering ppl early in the game on console. Truly idk if you were one of them - I’ve only heard around all the time that this was the case but ofc can’t pass that off as fact. If you were, your particular experience might no be the best judge of that
It’s worth adding though that I felt the same way. I was leagues ahead of anyone else and legit 1vXed full groups back in the IC/Orsinium/Thieves Guild days on my Mag Sorc when it was OP. Even on my Mag NB I could do that though.
Not a transfer, I just figured things out faster than most other people. Even sorc in IC through thieves guild was a shadow of what is was prior to IC though, but then again pretty much every class could perform much better that patch versus bads than they would in any subsequent patch.First PS4 NA Grand Overlord, Stormproof, and Flawless Conqueror.
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✭✭✭✭✭The-Baconator wrote: »The-Baconator wrote: »Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
If you're not bright enought to understand what a metaphor is, I'd recommend not trying to call someone else out for calling you out on your literal post.Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »CyborgPlatypus wrote: »That's probably bots and sorcs aren't meta. Night blades are.
Sorcs aren't really that much worse than the NB meta at the moment. And Sorcs never were bad. Nightblades were.
At least they are no longer BiS at literally every role now.
This sounds so salty lol. When were Sorcs the best at tanking and healing?
Well, from a PvP perspective they were basically hypermobile gods with shielstacking and high burst so they didnt really need a tank or healer . All you needed was just a few magsorcs and you basically wouldn't need any other class ^^.
Kind of like how it is with wardens at the moment. To be honest you can call me salty or whatever but when you see trials running like full magsorc DDs, you know something is messed up about balance. Of course those days are long over now, but I choose to remember it, just like how I remember when Dks were gods and nbs were the weakest class.
So you’re saying Sorcs were OP in PvP, therefore they must be “BiS at literally every role”. C’mon now lol.
Also Wardens are not at all as good as ppl make them out to be. In PvE they are nice offtanks, and can make pretty decent Stamina DPS. In PvP they are one of the stronger Stamina specs too. But as for Mag DPS and Healing in both PvE and PvP? Nope, not outclassing everyone else. And fighting Mag Wardens in particular is very easy because Scorch is so easy to avoid.
I have no profit out of lying to you about what sorc was in the past.. If you're not bright enough to understand that I used a methaphor
...and right here is where you lose all remaining credibility.to describe magsorcs as ''BiS at everything'', because a class with infinite shields does not need a healer nor a tank, thats an issue I can't help with.- No infinite shields.
- Any class can be tanky.
- Any class can self heal.
- None of these things somehow translate to BiS all roles, even in the very limited context you're trying to view it in.
I also assure you, @Vaoh doesn't require any history lessons.
To be fair if he is referencing sorcs in 1.6\2.0 he's definitely correct. Prior to IC if I lost any fight open field that was less than a 1v5 it just felt embarrassing, and I spent 90% of my time in a build that was built around maximizing ap gains by bombing zergs--hardened\healing with prox det, impulse, streak, and clouding for AoE and only crushing + frag for single target--so I wasn't even using a build that was min maxed for traditional 1vX play.
I recognize you on PS4 NA and actually ran with you a few times before lol.
As for Sorcs pre-IC, weren’t you a PC transfer? I remember high-CP PC transfer players slaughtering ppl early in the game on console. Truly idk if you were one of them - I’ve only heard around all the time that this was the case but ofc can’t pass that off as fact. If you were, your particular experience might no be the best judge of that
It’s worth adding though that I felt the same way. I was leagues ahead of anyone else and legit 1vXed full groups back in the IC/Orsinium/Thieves Guild days on my Mag Sorc when it was OP. Even on my Mag NB I could do that though.
Not a transfer, I just figured things out faster than most other people. Even sorc in IC through thieves guild was a shadow of what is was prior to IC though, but then again pretty much every class could perform much better that patch versus bads than they would in any subsequent patch.
Dang I honestly don’t know how strong Sorcs were prior to Imperial City on PC.
Yeah I agree though, it was waaaay easier to 1vX in IC/Orsinium patches than Thieves Guild, and especially after Thieves Guild. I remember in the Orsinium patch, there was an AD buff server (pretty sure Haderus) where I would farm AD players so much in the Sewers I made 60-100K AP an hour solo. I even solo pushed Emp once and was 2 keeps away before too many AD were online for me to manage lol.
So much has changed (along with the general populace getting a *bit* better) that these days, 1vX on my Mag Sorc just isn’t a thing unless against players who dont stack huge amounts of health.0 -
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✭✭✭✭The-Baconator wrote: »The-Baconator wrote: »Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
If you're not bright enought to understand what a metaphor is, I'd recommend not trying to call someone else out for calling you out on your literal post.Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »CyborgPlatypus wrote: »That's probably bots and sorcs aren't meta. Night blades are.
Sorcs aren't really that much worse than the NB meta at the moment. And Sorcs never were bad. Nightblades were.
At least they are no longer BiS at literally every role now.
This sounds so salty lol. When were Sorcs the best at tanking and healing?
Well, from a PvP perspective they were basically hypermobile gods with shielstacking and high burst so they didnt really need a tank or healer . All you needed was just a few magsorcs and you basically wouldn't need any other class ^^.
Kind of like how it is with wardens at the moment. To be honest you can call me salty or whatever but when you see trials running like full magsorc DDs, you know something is messed up about balance. Of course those days are long over now, but I choose to remember it, just like how I remember when Dks were gods and nbs were the weakest class.
So you’re saying Sorcs were OP in PvP, therefore they must be “BiS at literally every role”. C’mon now lol.
Also Wardens are not at all as good as ppl make them out to be. In PvE they are nice offtanks, and can make pretty decent Stamina DPS. In PvP they are one of the stronger Stamina specs too. But as for Mag DPS and Healing in both PvE and PvP? Nope, not outclassing everyone else. And fighting Mag Wardens in particular is very easy because Scorch is so easy to avoid.
I have no profit out of lying to you about what sorc was in the past.. If you're not bright enough to understand that I used a methaphor
...and right here is where you lose all remaining credibility.to describe magsorcs as ''BiS at everything'', because a class with infinite shields does not need a healer nor a tank, thats an issue I can't help with.- No infinite shields.
- Any class can be tanky.
- Any class can self heal.
- None of these things somehow translate to BiS all roles, even in the very limited context you're trying to view it in.
I also assure you, @Vaoh doesn't require any history lessons.
To be fair if he is referencing sorcs in 1.6\2.0 he's definitely correct. Prior to IC if I lost any fight open field that was less than a 1v5 it just felt embarrassing, and I spent 90% of my time in a build that was built around maximizing ap gains by bombing zergs--hardened\healing with prox det, impulse, streak, and clouding for AoE and only crushing + frag for single target--so I wasn't even using a build that was min maxed for traditional 1vX play.
I recognize you on PS4 NA and actually ran with you a few times before lol.
As for Sorcs pre-IC, weren’t you a PC transfer? I remember high-CP PC transfer players slaughtering ppl early in the game on console. Truly idk if you were one of them - I’ve only heard around all the time that this was the case but ofc can’t pass that off as fact. If you were, your particular experience might no be the best judge of that
It’s worth adding though that I felt the same way. I was leagues ahead of anyone else and legit 1vXed full groups back in the IC/Orsinium/Thieves Guild days on my Mag Sorc when it was OP. Even on my Mag NB I could do that though.
Not a transfer, I just figured things out faster than most other people. Even sorc in IC through thieves guild was a shadow of what is was prior to IC though, but then again pretty much every class could perform much better that patch versus bads than they would in any subsequent patch.
Dang I honestly don’t know how strong Sorcs were prior to Imperial City on PC.
Yeah I agree though, it was waaaay easier to 1vX in IC/Orsinium patches than Thieves Guild, and especially after Thieves Guild. I remember in the Orsinium patch, there was an AD buff server (pretty sure Haderus) where I would farm AD players so much in the Sewers I made 60-100K AP an hour solo. I even solo pushed Emp once and was 2 keeps away before too many AD were online for me to manage lol.
So much has changed (along with the general populace getting a *bit* better) that these days, 1vX on my Mag Sorc just isn’t a thing unless against players who dont stack huge amounts of health.
https://youtu.be/6GjwRMPYkzc
Everyone remembers Ezareth, and understands why he won’t play the facetious joke of a wrecked class Sorc is now.
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The-Baconator✭✭✭✭The-Baconator wrote: »The-Baconator wrote: »Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
If you're not bright enought to understand what a metaphor is, I'd recommend not trying to call someone else out for calling you out on your literal post.Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »CyborgPlatypus wrote: »That's probably bots and sorcs aren't meta. Night blades are.
Sorcs aren't really that much worse than the NB meta at the moment. And Sorcs never were bad. Nightblades were.
At least they are no longer BiS at literally every role now.
This sounds so salty lol. When were Sorcs the best at tanking and healing?
Well, from a PvP perspective they were basically hypermobile gods with shielstacking and high burst so they didnt really need a tank or healer . All you needed was just a few magsorcs and you basically wouldn't need any other class ^^.
Kind of like how it is with wardens at the moment. To be honest you can call me salty or whatever but when you see trials running like full magsorc DDs, you know something is messed up about balance. Of course those days are long over now, but I choose to remember it, just like how I remember when Dks were gods and nbs were the weakest class.
So you’re saying Sorcs were OP in PvP, therefore they must be “BiS at literally every role”. C’mon now lol.
Also Wardens are not at all as good as ppl make them out to be. In PvE they are nice offtanks, and can make pretty decent Stamina DPS. In PvP they are one of the stronger Stamina specs too. But as for Mag DPS and Healing in both PvE and PvP? Nope, not outclassing everyone else. And fighting Mag Wardens in particular is very easy because Scorch is so easy to avoid.
I have no profit out of lying to you about what sorc was in the past.. If you're not bright enough to understand that I used a methaphor
...and right here is where you lose all remaining credibility.to describe magsorcs as ''BiS at everything'', because a class with infinite shields does not need a healer nor a tank, thats an issue I can't help with.- No infinite shields.
- Any class can be tanky.
- Any class can self heal.
- None of these things somehow translate to BiS all roles, even in the very limited context you're trying to view it in.
I also assure you, @Vaoh doesn't require any history lessons.
To be fair if he is referencing sorcs in 1.6\2.0 he's definitely correct. Prior to IC if I lost any fight open field that was less than a 1v5 it just felt embarrassing, and I spent 90% of my time in a build that was built around maximizing ap gains by bombing zergs--hardened\healing with prox det, impulse, streak, and clouding for AoE and only crushing + frag for single target--so I wasn't even using a build that was min maxed for traditional 1vX play.
I recognize you on PS4 NA and actually ran with you a few times before lol.
As for Sorcs pre-IC, weren’t you a PC transfer? I remember high-CP PC transfer players slaughtering ppl early in the game on console. Truly idk if you were one of them - I’ve only heard around all the time that this was the case but ofc can’t pass that off as fact. If you were, your particular experience might no be the best judge of that
It’s worth adding though that I felt the same way. I was leagues ahead of anyone else and legit 1vXed full groups back in the IC/Orsinium/Thieves Guild days on my Mag Sorc when it was OP. Even on my Mag NB I could do that though.
Not a transfer, I just figured things out faster than most other people. Even sorc in IC through thieves guild was a shadow of what is was prior to IC though, but then again pretty much every class could perform much better that patch versus bads than they would in any subsequent patch.
Dang I honestly don’t know how strong Sorcs were prior to Imperial City on PC.
Yeah I agree though, it was waaaay easier to 1vX in IC/Orsinium patches than Thieves Guild, and especially after Thieves Guild. I remember in the Orsinium patch, there was an AD buff server (pretty sure Haderus) where I would farm AD players so much in the Sewers I made 60-100K AP an hour solo. I even solo pushed Emp once and was 2 keeps away before too many AD were online for me to manage lol.
So much has changed (along with the general populace getting a *bit* better) that these days, 1vX on my Mag Sorc just isn’t a thing unless against players who dont stack huge amounts of health.https://youtu.be/6GjwRMPYkzc
Everyone remembers Ezareth, and understands why he won’t play the facetious joke of a wrecked class Sorc is now.
Not sure if the video was linked to show what an "OP" sorc looks like or to show how average play can still result in favorable outcomes with a cheesy sorc build...First PS4 NA Grand Overlord, Stormproof, and Flawless Conqueror.
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✭✭✭✭✭jnelson1182 wrote: »So strictly when it comes to pve endgame stuff how close does a fire build mag DK compare to a mag sorc running a one pet build, or two if that's better I'm still learning? the reason I'm asking is because I enjoy playing my DK more than my sorc but have been told that mag DK's are not wanted in trials or something along those lines, can anyone clarify this a little for me? I must don't wanna put so much time into a character that's going to end up as my alt rather than putting most my time into my main.
MagDK has been nerfed into the ground. They were gods in PvE and PvP but they are pretty underwhelming now after ZOS nerfed them in most of the last patches. Another issue is that MagDK must stay in melee range where it competes with StamDPS that are all doing a way better job when it comes to DPS. If MagDK would be ranged it still would have its uses in PvE but as a melee DPS MagDK is just too weak in comparison.PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »jnelson1182 wrote: »So strictly when it comes to pve endgame stuff how close does a fire build mag DK compare to a mag sorc running a one pet build, or two if that's better I'm still learning? the reason I'm asking is because I enjoy playing my DK more than my sorc but have been told that mag DK's are not wanted in trials or something along those lines, can anyone clarify this a little for me? I must don't wanna put so much time into a character that's going to end up as my alt rather than putting most my time into my main.
MagDK has been nerfed into the ground. They were gods in PvE and PvP but they are pretty underwhelming now after ZOS nerfed them in most of the last patches. Another issue is that MagDK must stay in melee range where it competes with StamDPS that are all doing a way better job when it comes to DPS. If MagDK would be ranged it still would have its uses in PvE but as a melee DPS MagDK is just too weak in comparison.
Mag DK is not bad in PvP.
In PvE they’re the worst.... even moreso than Mag Warden since you have to go melee too.
But in PvP? They are still strong 1v1 and are valuable in group fights. Also they are much better at 1vX than they are given credit for. Even light armor Destro/Resto is much better than most ppl think. Highly recommend trying it. They mainly lack an effective way to deal with snares, having to resort to Mist Form.Edited by Vaoh on March 31, 2018 5:23AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭The-Baconator wrote: »The-Baconator wrote: »The-Baconator wrote: »Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
If you're not bright enought to understand what a metaphor is, I'd recommend not trying to call someone else out for calling you out on your literal post.Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »CyborgPlatypus wrote: »That's probably bots and sorcs aren't meta. Night blades are.
Sorcs aren't really that much worse than the NB meta at the moment. And Sorcs never were bad. Nightblades were.
At least they are no longer BiS at literally every role now.
This sounds so salty lol. When were Sorcs the best at tanking and healing?
Well, from a PvP perspective they were basically hypermobile gods with shielstacking and high burst so they didnt really need a tank or healer . All you needed was just a few magsorcs and you basically wouldn't need any other class ^^.
Kind of like how it is with wardens at the moment. To be honest you can call me salty or whatever but when you see trials running like full magsorc DDs, you know something is messed up about balance. Of course those days are long over now, but I choose to remember it, just like how I remember when Dks were gods and nbs were the weakest class.
So you’re saying Sorcs were OP in PvP, therefore they must be “BiS at literally every role”. C’mon now lol.
Also Wardens are not at all as good as ppl make them out to be. In PvE they are nice offtanks, and can make pretty decent Stamina DPS. In PvP they are one of the stronger Stamina specs too. But as for Mag DPS and Healing in both PvE and PvP? Nope, not outclassing everyone else. And fighting Mag Wardens in particular is very easy because Scorch is so easy to avoid.
I have no profit out of lying to you about what sorc was in the past.. If you're not bright enough to understand that I used a methaphor
...and right here is where you lose all remaining credibility.to describe magsorcs as ''BiS at everything'', because a class with infinite shields does not need a healer nor a tank, thats an issue I can't help with.- No infinite shields.
- Any class can be tanky.
- Any class can self heal.
- None of these things somehow translate to BiS all roles, even in the very limited context you're trying to view it in.
I also assure you, @Vaoh doesn't require any history lessons.
To be fair if he is referencing sorcs in 1.6\2.0 he's definitely correct. Prior to IC if I lost any fight open field that was less than a 1v5 it just felt embarrassing, and I spent 90% of my time in a build that was built around maximizing ap gains by bombing zergs--hardened\healing with prox det, impulse, streak, and clouding for AoE and only crushing + frag for single target--so I wasn't even using a build that was min maxed for traditional 1vX play.
I recognize you on PS4 NA and actually ran with you a few times before lol.
As for Sorcs pre-IC, weren’t you a PC transfer? I remember high-CP PC transfer players slaughtering ppl early in the game on console. Truly idk if you were one of them - I’ve only heard around all the time that this was the case but ofc can’t pass that off as fact. If you were, your particular experience might no be the best judge of that
It’s worth adding though that I felt the same way. I was leagues ahead of anyone else and legit 1vXed full groups back in the IC/Orsinium/Thieves Guild days on my Mag Sorc when it was OP. Even on my Mag NB I could do that though.
Not a transfer, I just figured things out faster than most other people. Even sorc in IC through thieves guild was a shadow of what is was prior to IC though, but then again pretty much every class could perform much better that patch versus bads than they would in any subsequent patch.
Dang I honestly don’t know how strong Sorcs were prior to Imperial City on PC.
Yeah I agree though, it was waaaay easier to 1vX in IC/Orsinium patches than Thieves Guild, and especially after Thieves Guild. I remember in the Orsinium patch, there was an AD buff server (pretty sure Haderus) where I would farm AD players so much in the Sewers I made 60-100K AP an hour solo. I even solo pushed Emp once and was 2 keeps away before too many AD were online for me to manage lol.
So much has changed (along with the general populace getting a *bit* better) that these days, 1vX on my Mag Sorc just isn’t a thing unless against players who dont stack huge amounts of health.https://youtu.be/6GjwRMPYkzc
Everyone remembers Ezareth, and understands why he won’t play the facetious joke of a wrecked class Sorc is now.
Not sure if the video was linked to show what an "OP" sorc looks like or to show how average play can still result in favorable outcomes with a cheesy sorc build...
Definitely an ‘op’ Sorc, this is sort of what nightblades look like now in comparison. By that I mean Fun. Dynamic. With Skills that make sense and fit together.
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✭✭✭✭✭So you want to nerf all classes to match Sorcerers ?Auri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
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