Veteran Player Reimbursement: Morrowind

VaranisArano · March 2018

Semi-serious question here. Is anyone actually going to wait a year in order to get Summerset free with next year's Chapter?

I know I'm not waiting. I already pre-ordered.

AverageJo3Gam3r · March 2018

How about a years worth of enjoying vvardenfell?

klowdy1 · March 2018

My god the entitlement in this community. Have any of you heard of sales tactics? Is this your very first MMO? This is not a new thing to happen in games. You know what you get for buying Morrowind, an extra year of playing Morrowind.

How do you guys do it at ZOS? I have never seen so many complaints about free stuff. You keep trying to do things for the players, and all you get is spit on. Free crates, *** you. Free Morrowind upgrade, *** you, we want a code to sell or trade or do nothing with. Seriously, just stop doing nice things for anyone. New system added to the game, *** you, give it to us for free so we can *** some more about free ***.

Skullstachio · March 2018

I really do not mind this, I had some speculation about Morrowind being in the Digital Deluxe Upgrade, but hey, it never hurts to throw in the extra pennies as it means that it is easier for Zenimax to get the resources they need to keep ESO awesome as it has been from a PvE aspect.

malchior · March 2018

Well, it's only the "Free Copy", no collector's stuff nor pre-order items. So really, nothing really to get upset about.

Linaleah · March 2018

this reply is aimed at the "omg, this community is so entitled posts" its not the community. if you read this thread and other threads, most of the community is varying degrees of "don't care" and "happy with the promo" its just few individuals that apparently never bought any video games or anything really before and are not aware of the fact that everything eventually goes on sale or a promotion with something else. the rest of us think that is a good incentive for someone who might be on the fence to grab upcoming expansion meaning that the playerbase is not as splintered and battlegrounds may even get an influx of new players.

Waffennacht · March 2018

thedude33 wrote: »

Do you also complain when the new phone, new car, new PC/laptop that you paid for last year are all cheaper this year for new buyers?

Do I complain? No, but, that also miffs me.

Like, I know they have this stuff developed long before it's released, so yeah it's miffing that they knowingly sell me a hunk of #$&+

VaranisArano · March 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

thedude33 wrote: »

Do you also complain when the new phone, new car, new PC/laptop that you paid for last year are all cheaper this year for new buyers?

Do I complain? No, but, that also miffs me.

Like, I know they have this stuff developed long before it's released, so yeah it's miffing that they knowingly sell me a hunk of #$&+

Every new car loses value the moment you drive it off the lot...

karekiz · March 2018

I agree with the OP.

I bought dead space, and I feel I want my money back because the franchise is dead. RIP.

ParaNostram · March 2018

Because only on this game can people complain about other people getting something a year old for free. Come on just be happy that the pay barrier for new players is momentarily lowered, be happy that other people can enjoy more of the game more easily, stop being such freakin' [redacted]!

LordNilloc · March 2018

We got a free mount!!

Nova Sky · March 2018

[parody]

Well. I bought a new vehicle last year for $29,500, and now I see it's on sale *this* year for $25,500 — what's that vehicle dealer going to do *for* me to make up for that?! Huh? Yeah, that capitalist is gonna pay for discounting a 2017 vehicle in 2018! I'm taking my business elsewhere!

[/parody]

Doctordarkspawn · March 2018

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Pointing and laughing at them isn't going to give them that reality check however. It's just going to make them shut the computer off, and the arguements with it. Your not helping.

And put simply, I dunno if they have bought anything like that. The forum account shows they joined in 2016, given how little they seem to have posted they might genuinely not.

Whatever the reason, there is a certain degree of reasonable doubt given how spotty and sketchy ESO has been with it's pricing model. It never quite does things like other games. I dont really think expecting people to have prior knowledge of a game that's by all means a decade old is fair or realistic, especially when their the new generation.

Yamenstein · March 2018

Giraffon wrote: »

I'm repulsed by the backlash of players to OP. Name calling and personal attacks. Please close this thread Zeni.

Yes please do.

Gnortranermara · March 2018

There is an economic concept called time preference. You paid a premium to enjoy a product at an earlier date than others. That was a fair exchange. ZOS has every right to offer that same product at a discount to new customers now.

cynaes · March 2018

I couldn't disagree more with OPs opinion. I'm totally fine with the way ZOS is giving away Morrowind to those who preorder.

(No sarcasm whatsoever, seriously!)

LukosCreyden · March 2018

Think about it. 5 years in the future, a wild new player appears! They play the base game and love it, so decide to subscribe to eso+ and want to get the chapters so they can get up to speed. However, oh dear, they must pay £150 in total to buy each chapter individually. This price is too much and it turns the new player off the game.

That pricing is not fair to new players, which is the reason that MMO's include all chapters/expansions in the new release. They'd never attract new, serious players otherwise.

TelvanniWizard · March 2018

Ok. I get.With more than a hundred posts telling the same examples and ideas, I get the general feeling about this issue. Perhaps it´s already enough. Specially with the insults and all that. Keeping the thread civil, and that kind of things.

Delta1038 · March 2018

This is confusing to me, I see no reason to feel like you need a to be compensated. Things lower in price and packaged discounts are made all the time for things. I spent full price on Morrowind as well, it was well worth it. And I intend on paying the full price for Summerset. For those buying the packaged deal, I hope it works, I hope it encourages new players to buy and try the game. I know that when I saw the deal to get Morrowind with it I told my brother who has not yet played the game but has been debating on getting it. So, what do you get out of it? Exactly what was told up front, a great new expansion with new content, gear, story missions, and more. There is no entitlement to somehow being compensated because a year later the developers are making package deals for the sake of sales and drawing in a new customer base. Be happy you have gotten to play such an awesome game for so long, I know I am and I cant wait to got to Summerset.

Saturnana · March 2018

I've come to view the DLCs and Chapters as separate games (in a way) that integrate with one you're already playing. Just because I own the base game, doesn't mean I am entitled to any following additions to that base game, released somewhere down the line. My base game would function just fine without them. And when I'm totally finished with that vanilla content, I can do two things; buy a brand new game and start playing that, or buy a game that adds onto this one and continue the story.

If I buy a car today, and next year's model of the same car happens to come with free children's seats and a fancy sunroof, the car dealer won't owe me children's seats and a sun-roof all of a sudden. If I want that, I have to pay for it.

TL;DR: The game's got to make money some way.

eso_lags · March 2018

magictucktuck wrote: »

jesus.. people are stupid

EDIT: also been playing since launch.. and i guess i could be more constructive, as this is common practice in MMO's otherwise people would be paying thousands of dollars to try something they may not even like.

do you want new players to play with? do you want a healthy game? its silly how you could be so ignorant and selfish and think you deserve something. like you said you have put over 2k hours into the game... YOU GOT WAY MORE THAN YOU PAID OUT OF IT.

also... first!

I wonder why so many people act like you are on this website. Its silly really. SOOOOO many of you act like its impossible for zos to keep doing what they're doing with the game, which targets new/non competitive players, and still act like they give a *** about veteran/competitive players. A lot of what this OP is saying is true. Performance alone was enough for me to find other mmos i want to play but add a lot of other issues and its just ridiculous.

I dont think the OP was saying they shouldnt target new players but they need to reward people who have been here. These new login rewards are a start but still theres so far to come. Out of any game i play eso is the worst with customer consideration. Its all about money. And thats a business except plenty of other money grubbing mmos still are considerate of their consumer base. Like i said the fact that performance is so bad for so long says so much about zos.

And im gonna edit to clarify this; WOW has a system where every expansion they put out they include all of the previous expansions in (either the new expansion) or the base game.. Do you think zenimax would ever do that? No. But i dont have a problem with them including morrowind, its just like the op said there is a lot of issues and its nice to see consideration.

SaintSubwayy · March 2018

AlnilamE wrote: »

We played Morrowind for an entire year.

well true, but it didnt have content which you had to play for a year to complete it xD

I finished Morrowind in 2 days, exceptions are Halls of Fabrication and the 30 Daily quests achievments.

I understand the OP here completly, we payed 80$ for MW, and now another 30$ for summerset, and we'd get MW for free.

I personally would have been fine if we'd had to pay like 40$ for Summerset, however they could have excluded MW for the Preorder and made a Package for 50-70$ including MW and Summerset.

Actually I'd like to see a Discount for ESO+ members that is based on subscription time. Each month of subscription gives you a 1% Discount on Chapters. up to a max of 20%-30%. Or based on the months you've been subscribed, back to 30 months ago. So if you stop paying ESO+ your discountbonus will slowly decrease again.
Then I would never feel bad about preordering stuff, since I know that I get the discount fr beeing an ESO+ member for a long time.

NyassaV · March 2018

I'd like a little something cosmetic maybe but I won't complain to much

MajesticHaruki · March 2018

This thread could serve the same purpose for the base game too. "hey I paid 60euro in 2014 for ESO AND NOW YOU OFFER THE BASE GAME +MORROWIND for 30 euro HOW DARE YOU"

Dear OP do something constructive instead of these threads.

WakeYourGhost · March 2018

mythlover20 wrote: »

So, tell me, what are you going to do for us veteran players that will stop us cancelling our subscriptions and bad-mouthing you to the world?

Nothing. They already have our money.
Honestly, even if you claim you'll cancel because old content is being offered in a bundle with new content - Well, they know you won't... Or if you do, there will be at least Two new subscriptions to take you place.

Honestly, just be happy new players don't have to pay upwards of $150 to catch up - That kills games quick.
No new Blood, slowly dwindling community, the end will be nigh.

...I would love some kind of "Loyalty" reward, though, for my long history of fiscal irresponsibility when it comes to this game.

Linaleah · March 2018

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

We played Morrowind for an entire year.

well true, but it didnt have content which you had to play for a year to complete it xD

I finished Morrowind in 2 days, exceptions are Halls of Fabrication and the 30 Daily quests achievments.

I understand the OP here completly, we payed 80$ for MW, and now another 30$ for summerset, and we'd get MW for free.

I personally would have been fine if we'd had to pay like 40$ for Summerset, however they could have excluded MW for the Preorder and made a Package for 50-70$ including MW and Summerset.

Actually I'd like to see a Discount for ESO+ members that is based on subscription time. Each month of subscription gives you a 1% Discount on Chapters. up to a max of 20%-30%. Or based on the months you've been subscribed, back to 30 months ago. So if you stop paying ESO+ your discountbonus will slowly decrease again.
Then I would never feel bad about preordering stuff, since I know that I get the discount fr beeing an ESO+ member for a long time.

if you paid 80 dollars for morrowind, you got CE. base upgrade of morrowind was originally $40, is now already baseline cheaper and the bonus included in summerset is base morrowind without any of the preorder or CE perks.

moreover there IS a package deal for gold edition of the base game, morrowind and summerset in the shop already.

P.S. I have preordered imperial digital edition of the game back when it came out. I bought original 4 DLC's individually before they were bundled and/or discounted (and before I decided to play as a subscriber). guess what? even though all of the above is much MUCH cheaper than what I paid for it? I don't get to ask for money back either. because I got exactly what I paid for at the time that I bought it.

loyalty rewards are always appreciated but they are NOT a requirement. like this morrowind promotion? they are a BONUS.

mikemacon · March 2018

I paid for my Morrowond expansion. Had tons of fun with it. I have no problem whatsoever with ZOS rolling it into the next Chapter and actually think it’s good for the game (lowers barriers to entry even further for new players).

You aren’t out anything by having bought it at full price a year ago than you are having bought any other game at full price then seeing it go on sale months or a year later.

So calm down.

Smitch_59 · March 2018

I can understand where the OP is coming from. I've decided not to buy Summerset until next year, when the price will drop. No problem.

mythlover20 · April 2018

Wow, the sheer amount of abuse on this thread is staggering; but, for those of you who weren't, I'm going to clarify a few things for you.

1) I don't live in America; I live in Australia. Subsequently I have to deal with radical markups on everything you Americans get cheaply. So $80 wasn't for the extra bonus collector's edition. It was for the basic, no-frills, no-bonuses, no-extra-anything digital upgrade. That's it. Just the absolute basics of the Morrowind expansion. I wanted the Collector's edition, true. I also wanted the Summerset Collector's Edition until I stopped and thought about it; but, now as then, I didn't buy it. It costs too damn much.

2) I'm not the only one pissed off about this. I know people who bought the expansion just before Summerset's announcement, who paid actual money for something that people who waited an extra day, or week, or month are getting for free.

3) The nix-hound can not be interpreted as compensation because, for it to be compensation, they actually would have had to tell us it was compensation and what it was compensation for. At the time it was handed out Summerset was just a pipe dream with a handful of data-mined assets that ZoS and Bethesda didn't acknowledge, and ZoS themselves just said it was a thank you for those who bought Morrowind. That's it. No mention of another chapter, nor DLC, nor anything else that it could possibly allow us to AT THE TIME think it was compensation for anything.

4) The argument that Morrowind is valued less than it was at release is flawed due to one simple thing: the price for the bought edition has not gone down over time. It is still priced the same as it was before it was released. For it to be valued less, it also has to cost less. It's a digital item, not a physical one that will degrade over time.

5) It doesn't matter that it is a "Pre-Order Only" exclusive; it is still being given away for free to those who didn't fork out the money like the vast majority of the player base. It exists simply as incentive to get more new players, hence the "catering to new players" remark made in my opening post.

And... I think that's it? Honestly, after about the fifth post calling me a *** for demanding equal treatment across the player base I gave up reading them. If you're happy having to pay for something others are having handed to them, fine; but those of us who stop to think realise its just setting up the precedent to do it all over again. Next time they'll probably get a free copy of the base game, too, as well as all the expansion packs, which by then would have a net value of over $200, or a week's rent and groceries. But as my GM said a few minutes ago: how dare I demand compensation. We live in an age of entitlement, and I'm a *** for saying that those who didn't pay for something should have to just like everyone else.

Oh, and he was being sarcastic when he said that, by the way. He and the rest of the guild are even more livid than I.

Also, keep in mind, that I'm not the only one who would benefit from it. You will be too. So, riddle me this: why are you against being compensated for paying money, and getting free stuff for your loyalty, as well as the new players who get Morrowind for free? Honestly, did none of you realise this?

Gods, why do I keep trying to help you people?

Kajuratus · April 2018

If you feel as though you have been scammed or something, you should surely wait until next year to buy Summerset which will be included with the pre-order bonuses of Chapter 3 right? Then don't buy Chapter 4, wait until Chapter 5 comes along and pre-order that which will include the Chapter 4 as a bonus. Of course, this will mean that you won't get access to Chapters 2 and 4 when they're new, but you'll have double the content when you do get them right? Result!