TBS + Juli. Playing with TBS and two golden Juli swords like ages, soi need to craft only Juli rings and neck for full set. My Willpower can rest now.

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

this is seriously a non issue just like all the other nerf threads u guys keep making.

This is a "let's have fun theorycrafting" thread, no a nerf thread. Did you actually read any of the OP?

Aisle9 wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

TBS + MA is the only combo with BiS potential for magicka DPS IMO. Shadow Mundus + MA proc could hit hard. Or it could just be something that looks better on paper than it actually is in practice.

But TBS is worse than other magicka-DPS-sets, why should it get better with jewelry? Average crit with MA on magicka is like 65%, isn't it? IF shadow was strong with that crit rating, stamina would run it....but they don't.

TBS is the only way you can get Shadow mundus. Shadow mundus increases the damage of your hits when MA procs. MA is currently the BiS set for magicka. TBS has the potential to make it even stronger.

Will it be better than combining MA with stuff like MD, Willpower, or monster gear? We'll know once we can test it, or when someone like Asayre calculates the DPS.

Warrior and Apprentice mundus gives more damage to your critical strikes than shadow at the moment

That's the whole point... TBS let's you use 2 mundus stones, so you would combine Apprentice + Shadow.

You’d still be better of using Julianos with Shadow, spell dmg and spell crit wise.

CaliMade wrote: »

The people saying its useless are the people who run Nothing but meta builds lmao. Nevermind running your own unique builds and letting your skill carry you rather than your sets.

No amount of "I made my own build instead of using the meta" pride will make Juli useful if you have guaranteed crits. If crits are guaranteed, extra crit chance won't make it more guaranteed.

Mechanical Acuity procs make you crit, period. It's not extra crit chance.

I mean, it's not rocket science, it is wasted, because you don't use it, and if you are using it, it means you're not using MA correctly, which means there's no point for you to use the set.

Failing to understand this simple concept means any build you make yourself will be poopoo

I assume your talking about Pve right?

Im only referring to PVP, my bad for not making it clear.

And where in my post did i say anything about julianos being better than acuity?

CaliMade wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

TBS + MA is the only combo with BiS potential for magicka DPS IMO. Shadow Mundus + MA proc could hit hard. Or it could just be something that looks better on paper than it actually is in practice.

But TBS is worse than other magicka-DPS-sets, why should it get better with jewelry? Average crit with MA on magicka is like 65%, isn't it? IF shadow was strong with that crit rating, stamina would run it....but they don't.

TBS is the only way you can get Shadow mundus. Shadow mundus increases the damage of your hits when MA procs. MA is currently the BiS set for magicka. TBS has the potential to make it even stronger.

Will it be better than combining MA with stuff like MD, Willpower, or monster gear? We'll know once we can test it, or when someone like Asayre calculates the DPS.

Warrior and Apprentice mundus gives more damage to your critical strikes than shadow at the moment

That's the whole point... TBS let's you use 2 mundus stones, so you would combine Apprentice + Shadow.

You’d still be better of using Julianos with Shadow, spell dmg and spell crit wise.

CaliMade wrote: »

The people saying its useless are the people who run Nothing but meta builds lmao. Nevermind running your own unique builds and letting your skill carry you rather than your sets.

No amount of "I made my own build instead of using the meta" pride will make Juli useful if you have guaranteed crits. If crits are guaranteed, extra crit chance won't make it more guaranteed.

Mechanical Acuity procs make you crit, period. It's not extra crit chance.

I mean, it's not rocket science, it is wasted, because you don't use it, and if you are using it, it means you're not using MA correctly, which means there's no point for you to use the set.

Failing to understand this simple concept means any build you make yourself will be poopoo

I assume your talking about Pve right?

Im only referring to PVP, my bad for not making it clear.

And where in my post did i say anything about julianos being better than acuity?

Using Juli with Acuity makes Juli useless.

In PvE, in PvP, in your bedroom, in a public forum, on a mountaintop, in space, doesn't matter.

It's not about Juli being better than Acuity or vice versa, it's that using both makes one useless.

Hope this clarifies, have a nice day.

I know I'm likely gonna run some Torug's Pact Shacklebreaker on a mag character. I'm also glad that this jewelry crafting will make gearing hybrids a little easier.

Like you can easily run x5 Shackle x4 Assassin's Guile x2 monster helm with a nirnhoned greatsword and infused weapon damage glyph staff of some sort.

Aisle9 wrote: »

CaliMade wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

TBS + MA is the only combo with BiS potential for magicka DPS IMO. Shadow Mundus + MA proc could hit hard. Or it could just be something that looks better on paper than it actually is in practice.

But TBS is worse than other magicka-DPS-sets, why should it get better with jewelry? Average crit with MA on magicka is like 65%, isn't it? IF shadow was strong with that crit rating, stamina would run it....but they don't.

TBS is the only way you can get Shadow mundus. Shadow mundus increases the damage of your hits when MA procs. MA is currently the BiS set for magicka. TBS has the potential to make it even stronger.

Will it be better than combining MA with stuff like MD, Willpower, or monster gear? We'll know once we can test it, or when someone like Asayre calculates the DPS.

Warrior and Apprentice mundus gives more damage to your critical strikes than shadow at the moment

That's the whole point... TBS let's you use 2 mundus stones, so you would combine Apprentice + Shadow.

You’d still be better of using Julianos with Shadow, spell dmg and spell crit wise.

CaliMade wrote: »

The people saying its useless are the people who run Nothing but meta builds lmao. Nevermind running your own unique builds and letting your skill carry you rather than your sets.

No amount of "I made my own build instead of using the meta" pride will make Juli useful if you have guaranteed crits. If crits are guaranteed, extra crit chance won't make it more guaranteed.

Mechanical Acuity procs make you crit, period. It's not extra crit chance.

I mean, it's not rocket science, it is wasted, because you don't use it, and if you are using it, it means you're not using MA correctly, which means there's no point for you to use the set.

Failing to understand this simple concept means any build you make yourself will be poopoo

I assume your talking about Pve right?

Im only referring to PVP, my bad for not making it clear.

And where in my post did i say anything about julianos being better than acuity?

Using Juli with Acuity makes Juli useless.

In PvE, in PvP, in your bedroom, in a public forum, on a mountaintop, in space, doesn't matter.

It's not about Juli being better than Acuity or vice versa, it's that using both makes one useless.

Hope this clarifies, have a nice day.

Why useless? MA gives you critical hits only, at best, for 5 secs out of 18. In the other 13 secs or more, are you sitting looking at the enemies and waiting for the next proc? If not, the critical chances of Julianos are usefull during that time (that is, roughly for 3/4 of combat time). Moreover, the 300 spell damage of Julianos is usefull during all the combat time, making your critical hits stronger when MA procs and your critical and non-critical hits stronger when it doesn't.

Of course, I'm not saying that Julianos and MA are the best combination ever, but claiming that Julianos is useless with MA doesn't make any sense.

Destruent wrote: »

Surak73 wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

CaliMade wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

TBS + MA is the only combo with BiS potential for magicka DPS IMO. Shadow Mundus + MA proc could hit hard. Or it could just be something that looks better on paper than it actually is in practice.

But TBS is worse than other magicka-DPS-sets, why should it get better with jewelry? Average crit with MA on magicka is like 65%, isn't it? IF shadow was strong with that crit rating, stamina would run it....but they don't.

TBS is the only way you can get Shadow mundus. Shadow mundus increases the damage of your hits when MA procs. MA is currently the BiS set for magicka. TBS has the potential to make it even stronger.

Will it be better than combining MA with stuff like MD, Willpower, or monster gear? We'll know once we can test it, or when someone like Asayre calculates the DPS.

Warrior and Apprentice mundus gives more damage to your critical strikes than shadow at the moment

That's the whole point... TBS let's you use 2 mundus stones, so you would combine Apprentice + Shadow.

You’d still be better of using Julianos with Shadow, spell dmg and spell crit wise.

CaliMade wrote: »

The people saying its useless are the people who run Nothing but meta builds lmao. Nevermind running your own unique builds and letting your skill carry you rather than your sets.

No amount of "I made my own build instead of using the meta" pride will make Juli useful if you have guaranteed crits. If crits are guaranteed, extra crit chance won't make it more guaranteed.

Mechanical Acuity procs make you crit, period. It's not extra crit chance.

I mean, it's not rocket science, it is wasted, because you don't use it, and if you are using it, it means you're not using MA correctly, which means there's no point for you to use the set.

Failing to understand this simple concept means any build you make yourself will be poopoo

I assume your talking about Pve right?

Im only referring to PVP, my bad for not making it clear.

And where in my post did i say anything about julianos being better than acuity?

Using Juli with Acuity makes Juli useless.

In PvE, in PvP, in your bedroom, in a public forum, on a mountaintop, in space, doesn't matter.

It's not about Juli being better than Acuity or vice versa, it's that using both makes one useless.

Hope this clarifies, have a nice day.

Why useless? MA gives you critical hits only, at best, for 5 secs out of 18. In the other 13 secs or more, are you sitting looking at the enemies and waiting for the next proc? If not, the critical chances of Julianos are usefull during that time (that is, roughly for 3/4 of combat time). Moreover, the 300 spell damage of Julianos is usefull during all the combat time, making your critical hits stronger when MA procs and your critical and non-critical hits stronger when it doesn't.

Of course, I'm not saying that Julianos and MA are the best combination ever, but claiming that Julianos is useless with MA doesn't make any sense.

When you plan a build you should try to combine sets which make each other stronger...not weaker (hint: the crit from julianos dimishes the effective critbonus of MA).

Mh, maybe this is why I said "I'm not saying that Julianos and MA are the best combination ever"?...

I know that there are much more effective ways to profit from the 5s 100% crit from MA, but this doesn't mean that Julianos would be useless. Instead, actually I think it would be a better choice for the not too much skilled players, which probably wouldn't be able to get the most from two specific bonuses which require to act in a specific way; Julianos is a "wear and forget" set, much simpler to use.

Drop sets are still better for damage and well just about everything.

I got to thinking about it, and I’m currently using liche+julianos. Anyone know if seducer+julianos would be better for sustain? Or, does liche beat out seducer?

It's gonna be nice to make alchemist jewelry.

And some above mentioned ideas look cool

I really hope it opens up the freedom players have with crafted sets.

I'm hoping jewelry crafting will mean trial sets can be improved so I can just farm normal to get the 5% mob damage increase - but who knows! That might be obsolete!

Julianos and Mechanical acuity sound pretty epic. Although Summerset might throw up an entirely new set which leaves these sets in the wind. Fingers crossed

Grabmoore wrote: »

CaliMade wrote: »

The people saying its useless are the people who run Nothing but meta builds lmao. Nevermind running your own unique builds and letting your skill carry you rather than your sets.

Console plebs

I don't think jewelery crafting will bring many new combinations. The hist bark + tavas combination was the only viable suggestion so far. PvP might be different, but for PvE there is no place for preferences.

My comment was in regards to PVP.
Maybe you should have asked for clarification before tossing out insults.
The fact that there is no place for preference in PvE is why i avoid it.

Clever alchemist+hunding might make a good combo if 5 piece bonus of alchemish can stack with other stuff.

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

TBS + MA is the only combo with BiS potential for magicka DPS IMO. Shadow Mundus + MA proc could hit hard. Or it could just be something that looks better on paper than it actually is in practice.

But TBS is worse than other magicka-DPS-sets, why should it get better with jewelry? Average crit with MA on magicka is like 65%, isn't it? IF shadow was strong with that crit rating, stamina would run it....but they don't.

TBS is the only way you can get Shadow mundus. Shadow mundus increases the damage of your hits when MA procs. MA is currently the BiS set for magicka. TBS has the potential to make it even stronger.

Will it be better than combining MA with stuff like MD, Willpower, or monster gear? We'll know once we can test it, or when someone like Asayre calculates the DPS.

Warrior and Apprentice mundus gives more damage to your critical strikes than shadow at the moment

That's the whole point... TBS let's you use 2 mundus stones, so you would combine Apprentice + Shadow.

You’d still be better of using Julianos with Shadow, spell dmg and spell crit wise.

MA is considerably stronger than Julianos. If you meant combine Julianos with MA, the crit chance from Julianos goes to waste alongside MA.

Like I said. I don't think TBS + MA will be BiS. I just think it's the only combo with potential. It could end up being crap.

What he is trying to say is that pairing them basically negates 2% of your crit chance from the get go. The rule of thumb is that if your build has any more than 1 critical set bonus, then Mother's sorrow beats, or at worst ties, mechanical acuity. Acuity shines most with sets like necropotence or spinners. Innate Axiom with Acuity might be really strong though, and something like Acuity + Assasin's guile would allow for a monster set to be used on a destro/destro build.


On the other end, TBS will still be garbage for PVE because of how low boss resistance is, as the only mathematically sound way to use the set in terms of damage would be with the lover and the warrior/apprentice. Shadow is just really bad because the more CP you have, the weaker it becomes as a buff to damage done. Even with no CP and perfect critical chance, if just minor and major force are active then it is impossible for the Shadow to come within 97% of the damage buff granted from the lover. The more crit damage you have, the weaker further buffs to crit damage become.

What TBS would require to become viable again is buffs to both the shadow and the thief and for its 4 pc bonuses to be:

2 pc Magicka

3pc Stamina

4pc weapon damage and spell damage