Kuramas9tails wrote: »

@BohnT @Azurya Just a reminder, personal attacks are usually deleted from the ZOS team. So stop wasting ZOS's and your own time because that's not constructive criticism towards the forum post.

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

@Priyasekarssk Here is the clip you want to see. I screw myself up at the end by messing up a dodgeroll. Regardless, you can clearly see I was fighting 2 nbs, 1 stam 1 magicka, and I had no problem dealing with them in a 1v5.

Also, @DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER the counters to Incap is in the video. If you look at the 0:04 second mark, I predicted the incap when I saw the Nb ambush, so I dodged roll and avoided the incap. At the 0.26 second mark, you can see how DB can be used defensively to shake people off, something incap can't do in outnumbered situations. Oh, and don't forget how often i dodge roll in the video. That is not something a Nb can do. The only reason I didn't kill all of them was because I forgot to put on steel tornado for the aoe execute. Otherwise that fight would have been a lot easier.

So, don't tell me how Nbs are broken.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1RceEaKueT-Pk2-4SNpSYq--N4jr1WX61

Dude surving any DK tank can do effectively than you do in this video ? No body will argue DK is OP.
Have you killed anyone is what matters

StaticWave wrote: »

@Priyasekarssk Here is the clip you want to see. I screwed myself up at the end by messing up a dodgeroll. Regardless, you can clearly see I was fighting 2 nbs, 1 stam 1 magicka, and I had no problem dealing with them in a 1v5.

Also, @DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER the counters to Incap and nb is in the video. If you look at the 0:04 second mark, I predicted the incap when I saw the Nb ambush, so I dodged roll and avoided the incap. Hurricane also pulled Nbs out of cloak. At the 0: 26 second mark, you can see how DB can be used defensively to shake people off, something incap can't do in outnumbered situations. Oh, and don't forget how often i dodge roll in the video. That is not something only a Nb can do. The only reason I didn't kill all of them was because I forgot to put on steel tornado for the aoe execute. Otherwise that fight would have been a lot easier.

So, don't tell me that Nbs are broken, when it's just a l2p issue.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1RceEaKueT-Pk2-4SNpSYq--N4jr1WX61

They not even used any NB combos . Video doesn't show anything. I can kill 10 NB noobs. Thats does not show NB is ok.

NB hit with poison injection ,lethal arrow , mark target at same time with a CC . If CC breaks second CC. Then ambush execute. I never apply INCAP /ultimate or execute before CC applied. They not even put any CC or defiles on you. You want me to take that as proof.

I already joined the NB gang. Dont get surprised I support NB in next post. Dont worry NB wont be nerfed. I am pretty confident, because NB never nerfed before , even with so much people whined.

Video doesn't show anything? Uhmm... It shows that I can play other classes and still do well in PvP, despite your claim that I can't. Here let me quote it for you.

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Nightblade is broken beyond OP . Do the same in other class and come here ? You cannot.
Until then dont tell others L2P.

Same words : - Learn to play . Dont boost yourself with a broken class beyond OP.

You see? This isn't a Nb problem. It's a l2p problem.

The Nb in the video clearly used his ambush incap combo, which is what 80% of Nbs in cyrodill do. What is your point? Your description of a Nb combo is for a gankblade which I also dislike. I've run into hose players in cyrodill, and I have no problem killing them.

Again, you're just QQing because you can't PvP. Please show me a video of you 1vXing on your stamblade, since I've shown mine to prove my point.

Whats meaning of incap without a CC ? They not even used a CC or defile or poison. In fact a proper NB uses all 3 before going for an ultimate.

Azurya wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Right, play a magNB and tell me again how easy it is to get kills. Seriously, GTFO. So sorry you people dont have your cheat add ons anymore.

I play a meele magnb and i can't count the 1vX clips i could have uploaded if my pc was able to run a video program + ESO at the same time.
If you don't do well no on a nightblade it's completely your fault

I wouldn't go that far. Nightblade may be good right now, but the level of how good it is however is vastly over stated and exaggerated on here.

What are you talking about ? Its not. NB can take on multiple people at once.
Remember Zerg bomb build.
3 Lether arrows in cloak. No body know who even killed them.
Cheap ultimate deadly ultimates.
Strong healing & cloak combo. Either one should be there.

No class can even dream of doing such things.

you can zergbomb with almost any class, my stamsorc does it, my magden does it, L2P!
frags from stealth kill you just as fast, yes stealth is available to all!
eye of whatever is the most used, most cancered ulti in cyro
healing is up to oneself, every one has the same 12 spots on their bars, fill it with whatever you want

Baranthus wrote: »

Since they disabled Miats detection element, it is so funny to see that people now have to learn to actually defend against NB and/or have forgotten how to.

Ergo, NERF NBS!!!!!

Fairly certain that the devs are LOLing hard while waiting for the wild, OTT hysteria to settle.

Once people learn to play again, everything will calm down.

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Emmagoldman wrote: »

@sha-ext your dead on. People making balance changes based on solo or 1vx is limited.

I main mag sorc and feel nb is at a generally good spot and the game is getting close to a good balance. We all have to accept that some classes will be more of a pain than others for or own class. Example, People complain a lot about stamwarden, for a sorc, we streak right through to the other side of that burst. Yet I hate dealing with dks and being fossilized, especially if they get all batty on me at the same time

A slight nerf to incap would be ok but ideas such as cost increase for cloak isnt needed. If your a magsorc, which im a slighty better than avg (very very slightly), cloak is incrediably easy to counter with streak or ruin. Though without a doubt, a good magnb can line up better burst. Key word is good. Yes in pve the parse on a single target better. Thats ok, ill take range and better aoe

Stamnb is experiencing the same issue as magsorc a couple of patches ago. People are blaming the class instead of looking at what sets or changes to other classes that are making it op. It wasnt really that magsorc was op, it was pirate skelton, while it worked on shields. I mentioned this patches ago, and we can see how it turned out. Then there is always highly over the top suggestions such as have crits on shields

In stamnb case, the problem is with asylum 2h as it allows incap to charge quickly and stamnb benefits more than other classes because of the low cost and its part of the general rotation. A good stam nb will use a potion after the first incap, and while using executioner quickly generate that ult back up. Bringing 2h executioners "execute" down to 45% or 40% might help and slightly adjusting asylum 2h. Key word, slight. This would also slightly nerf stamwarden and 2h stamdk and not effect end game pve

HA meta also plays into this. You cant just get rid of a stun on incap because at this point, if you cant stun a HA user, they will heal right up. For templars, its 2 cast of bol to full health. CC is very powerful because it gives potential for burst, yet HA has defense to outlive and possible cc immunity with 2h (stamdk, warden)

So you have shuffle with a max of 3.5 secs or go HA, forward momentum for 8. Stamwarden can get brutality outside of ralley, so forward momentum. Id like to see them flipped and adjusted. Forward momentum for 3.5 and shuffle for 6. So its a slight buffs to medium armor and yes to nbs, but then you could look at removing the stun in incap as nb has fear and wouldnt need two cc effects.

Magsorc also was a little too nerfed. Frags needs a morph with one that stuns at the current low damage and one that has no stun, with high dmg as before. However, there would need to be a slight nerf to masters staff as it would allow a cheap spammable with knockback and allow for the higher dmg frag. Streak could also use a 1m increase as kiting isnt really an option. It would be richer game play and allow more build options.

In short, its not just about nerfing a class but trying to see the whole picture

Magsorc only needs slight single target dps buff. Removing stun from crystal fragment is right move, but damage is not. They have no reliable single target dps even with dps class. Also buff pet health for PVE. Matriah always die 1 shot during boss fights. Boss has love for matiriah bird . Apart from that, Magic sorc should be fine. I wont agree to buff streak or any other thing unless there is specific instances. I dont think you are a PRO player or NB disguised as magicka sorc. You have commented NB is ok.
I put a stamina drain poison with ravage stamina from cloak with poison injection/lethal arrow , and put fear followed by incap all are instant abilities , execute how will you counter ?
Your stamina pool is around 10K , with poison your single break free cost around 7800K stamina( 60 percent increase with poison) . And you are double CCed. Dont say , I will have shields up all the time and use detection pods all the time. Of course a stamina build can counter this. Night blade should not be given double CC.

"I main mag sorc and feel nb is at a generally good spot " LOL. No wonder anyone will take your comments serious. A NB disguised as SORC ? or not even know how mechanics works ?

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Emmagoldman wrote: »

@sha-ext your dead on. People making balance changes based on solo or 1vx is limited.

I main mag sorc and feel nb is at a generally good spot and the game is getting close to a good balance. We all have to accept that some classes will be more of a pain than others for or own class. Example, People complain a lot about stamwarden, for a sorc, we streak right through to the other side of that burst. Yet I hate dealing with dks and being fossilized, especially if they get all batty on me at the same time

A slight nerf to incap would be ok but ideas such as cost increase for cloak isnt needed. If your a magsorc, which im a slighty better than avg (very very slightly), cloak is incrediably easy to counter with streak or ruin. Though without a doubt, a good magnb can line up better burst. Key word is good. Yes in pve the parse on a single target better. Thats ok, ill take range and better aoe

Stamnb is experiencing the same issue as magsorc a couple of patches ago. People are blaming the class instead of looking at what sets or changes to other classes that are making it op. It wasnt really that magsorc was op, it was pirate skelton, while it worked on shields. I mentioned this patches ago, and we can see how it turned out. Then there is always highly over the top suggestions such as have crits on shields

In stamnb case, the problem is with asylum 2h as it allows incap to charge quickly and stamnb benefits more than other classes because of the low cost and its part of the general rotation. A good stam nb will use a potion after the first incap, and while using executioner quickly generate that ult back up. Bringing 2h executioners "execute" down to 45% or 40% might help and slightly adjusting asylum 2h. Key word, slight. This would also slightly nerf stamwarden and 2h stamdk and not effect end game pve

HA meta also plays into this. You cant just get rid of a stun on incap because at this point, if you cant stun a HA user, they will heal right up. For templars, its 2 cast of bol to full health. CC is very powerful because it gives potential for burst, yet HA has defense to outlive and possible cc immunity with 2h (stamdk, warden)

So you have shuffle with a max of 3.5 secs or go HA, forward momentum for 8. Stamwarden can get brutality outside of ralley, so forward momentum. Id like to see them flipped and adjusted. Forward momentum for 3.5 and shuffle for 6. So its a slight buffs to medium armor and yes to nbs, but then you could look at removing the stun in incap as nb has fear and wouldnt need two cc effects.

Magsorc also was a little too nerfed. Frags needs a morph with one that stuns at the current low damage and one that has no stun, with high dmg as before. However, there would need to be a slight nerf to masters staff as it would allow a cheap spammable with knockback and allow for the higher dmg frag. Streak could also use a 1m increase as kiting isnt really an option. It would be richer game play and allow more build options.

In short, its not just about nerfing a class but trying to see the whole picture

Magsorc only needs slight single target dps buff. Removing stun from crystal fragment is right move, but damage is not. They have no reliable single target dps even with dps class. Also buff pet health for PVE. Matriah always die 1 shot during boss fights. Boss has love for matiriah bird . Apart from that, Magic sorc should be fine. I wont agree to buff streak or any other thing unless there is specific instances. I dont think you are a PRO player or NB disguised as magicka sorc. You have commented NB is ok.
I put a stamina drain poison with ravage stamina from cloak with poison injection/lethal arrow , and put fear followed by incap all are instant abilities , execute how will you counter ?
Your stamina pool is around 10K , with poison your single break free cost around 7800K stamina( 60 percent increase with poison) . And you are double CCed. Dont say , I will have shields up all the time and use detection pods all the time. Of course a stamina build can counter this. Night blade should not be given double CC.

"I main mag sorc and feel nb is at a generally good spot " LOL. No wonder anyone will take your comments serious. A NB disguised as SORC ? or not even know how mechanics works ?

First off, 10K Stamina Sorc builds are so “last patch”. You should have almost twice that, and a stam recovery glyph somewhere if any less. It’s not a nightblade’s fault that you can’t build. Purple food. Hakiejo enchants. Shacklebreaker. Use them. Adjust your green CP for break free and dodge roll.

Second off, yes. Nightblades against a Sorc is usually a fair fight. The only bad thing is that unlike every other class in the game, if you fight two nightblades it’s instant death. There’s no holding off two of them spamming incap and SA for more than a few seconds. Incap could probably use an ultimate cost increase for all that it does.

I get it that people hate the stealth back stabbing class, with the hardest hitting abilities and best defenses in the game but the only things wrong with it:

1. Detect pots - getting revealed for any reason needs to immediately stop the 100% *miss* of single target attacks granted by cloak. If visible, then you’re either dodging or hit. Period.

2. The cloak crit heal bug needs to be fixed. Nightblades shouldn’t heal like Templars, even if it’s for a few ticks.

These are gameplay bugs that allow nightblades to ridiculously outplay people regardless of the player skill.

Fix. The bugs ZOS. Don’t nerf the class.

Again , you missed poison injection . 20k stamina for magic scorer build ? I have to depreciate magicka pool for stamina pool rather than double CC. Very nice advice.
On 1v1 stamina night blades kill magicaka sorc with no problem, unless there is major skill difference. Its no way possible to counter. Dont brag.

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Emmagoldman wrote: »

@sha-ext your dead on. People making balance changes based on solo or 1vx is limited.

I main mag sorc and feel nb is at a generally good spot and the game is getting close to a good balance. We all have to accept that some classes will be more of a pain than others for or own class. Example, People complain a lot about stamwarden, for a sorc, we streak right through to the other side of that burst. Yet I hate dealing with dks and being fossilized, especially if they get all batty on me at the same time

A slight nerf to incap would be ok but ideas such as cost increase for cloak isnt needed. If your a magsorc, which im a slighty better than avg (very very slightly), cloak is incrediably easy to counter with streak or ruin. Though without a doubt, a good magnb can line up better burst. Key word is good. Yes in pve the parse on a single target better. Thats ok, ill take range and better aoe

Stamnb is experiencing the same issue as magsorc a couple of patches ago. People are blaming the class instead of looking at what sets or changes to other classes that are making it op. It wasnt really that magsorc was op, it was pirate skelton, while it worked on shields. I mentioned this patches ago, and we can see how it turned out. Then there is always highly over the top suggestions such as have crits on shields

In stamnb case, the problem is with asylum 2h as it allows incap to charge quickly and stamnb benefits more than other classes because of the low cost and its part of the general rotation. A good stam nb will use a potion after the first incap, and while using executioner quickly generate that ult back up. Bringing 2h executioners "execute" down to 45% or 40% might help and slightly adjusting asylum 2h. Key word, slight. This would also slightly nerf stamwarden and 2h stamdk and not effect end game pve

HA meta also plays into this. You cant just get rid of a stun on incap because at this point, if you cant stun a HA user, they will heal right up. For templars, its 2 cast of bol to full health. CC is very powerful because it gives potential for burst, yet HA has defense to outlive and possible cc immunity with 2h (stamdk, warden)

So you have shuffle with a max of 3.5 secs or go HA, forward momentum for 8. Stamwarden can get brutality outside of ralley, so forward momentum. Id like to see them flipped and adjusted. Forward momentum for 3.5 and shuffle for 6. So its a slight buffs to medium armor and yes to nbs, but then you could look at removing the stun in incap as nb has fear and wouldnt need two cc effects.

Magsorc also was a little too nerfed. Frags needs a morph with one that stuns at the current low damage and one that has no stun, with high dmg as before. However, there would need to be a slight nerf to masters staff as it would allow a cheap spammable with knockback and allow for the higher dmg frag. Streak could also use a 1m increase as kiting isnt really an option. It would be richer game play and allow more build options.

In short, its not just about nerfing a class but trying to see the whole picture

Magsorc only needs slight single target dps buff. Removing stun from crystal fragment is right move, but damage is not. They have no reliable single target dps even with dps class. Also buff pet health for PVE. Matriah always die 1 shot during boss fights. Boss has love for matiriah bird . Apart from that, Magic sorc should be fine. I wont agree to buff streak or any other thing unless there is specific instances. I dont think you are a PRO player or NB disguised as magicka sorc. You have commented NB is ok.
I put a stamina drain poison with ravage stamina from cloak with poison injection/lethal arrow , and put fear followed by incap all are instant abilities , execute how will you counter ?
Your stamina pool is around 10K , with poison your single break free cost around 7800K stamina( 60 percent increase with poison) . And you are double CCed. Dont say , I will have shields up all the time and use detection pods all the time. Of course a stamina build can counter this. Night blade should not be given double CC.

"I main mag sorc and feel nb is at a generally good spot " LOL. No wonder anyone will take your comments serious. A NB disguised as SORC ? or not even know how mechanics works ?

First off, 10K Stamina Sorc builds are so “last patch”. You should have almost twice that, and a stam recovery glyph somewhere if any less. It’s not a nightblade’s fault that you can’t build. Purple food. Hakiejo enchants. Shacklebreaker. Use them. Adjust your green CP for break free and dodge roll.

Second off, yes. Nightblades against a Sorc is usually a fair fight. The only bad thing is that unlike every other class in the game, if you fight two nightblades it’s instant death. There’s no holding off two of them spamming incap and SA for more than a few seconds. Incap could probably use an ultimate cost increase for all that it does.

I get it that people hate the stealth back stabbing class, with the hardest hitting abilities and best defenses in the game but the only things wrong with it:

1. Detect pots - getting revealed for any reason needs to immediately stop the 100% *miss* of single target attacks granted by cloak. If visible, then you’re either dodging or hit. Period.

2. The cloak crit heal bug needs to be fixed. Nightblades shouldn’t heal like Templars, even if it’s for a few ticks.

These are gameplay bugs that allow nightblades to ridiculously outplay people regardless of the player skill.

Fix. The bugs ZOS. Don’t nerf the class.

Again , you missed poison injection . 20k stamina for magic scorer build ? I have to depreciate magicka pool for stamina pool rather than double CC. Very nice advice.
On 1v1 stamina night blades kill magicaka sorc with no problem, unless there is major skill difference. Its no way possible to counter. Dont brag.

47K Max Magicka.
Almost 19K stamina
2500 spell damage without the staff enchant or continuous assault, those take it over 3200.
Great sustain with lich.

I’m not hurting for anything man. The build is up on just about every YouTube Sorc video.

Edit: Just try some damn purple food already. You lose 1K Magicka and health for 4K stamina. At one point I was as stubborn as you until @Malamar1229 told me to ‘STFU and try it’. I did. It’s an entirely different game now.

Please remember you will have reduction in stamina pool in PVP area and shields are extremly weak. Can you provide the link with 45K magicka with 20 K stamina and 22k+ health with atleast 50 percent crit chance and 1000+ recovery to sustain ? People want proof. Anyone can claim anything.

StaticWave wrote: »

@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.

Minalan wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.

TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.

StaticWave wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.

TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.

BohnT wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.

TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.

That is the problem of balance discussions on the forums. You have people with no skill, bad knowledge, bias and bad builds who try to defend things they can't even grasp.

That's precisely why I don't take many forumers seriously. All I've seen from these nerf threads are either extreme hyperbole, or just straight up misinformation. I've backed up my argument with facts and videos, but some people still choose to ignore them and stay biased. If a lot of them play on NA PC, chances are I've run into them in cyrodill, whether solo or with a group. It's a shame skilled players that I frequently see in cyrodill don't really go on the forums too often. Their 2-cents weigh a lot more than those of people who act knowledgeable on the forums, but don't have the skills or actual knowledge to back it up.

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.

TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.

LOL. My main

StaticWave wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.

TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.

BohnT wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.

TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.

That is the problem of balance discussions on the forums. You have people with no skill, bad knowledge, bias and bad builds who try to defend things they can't even grasp.

That's precisely why I don't take many forumers seriously. All I've seen from these nerf threads are either extreme hyperbole, or just straight up misinformation. I've backed up my argument with facts and videos, but some people still choose to ignore them and stay biased. If a lot of them play on NA PC, chances are I've run into them in cyrodill, whether solo or with a group. It's a shame skilled players that I frequently see in cyrodill don't really go on the forums too often. Their 2-cents weigh a lot more than those of people who act knowledgeable on the forums, but don't have the skills or actual knowledge to back it up.

LOL. NB is overpowered a lot to other classes . Lethal arrow with cloak almost overused in every PVP battles . USe detect pots for NB 35 meters away , without knowing his location. Sorc is not my main, even magicka builds. You completely misinformed. I going to have NB main. You did prove or refute the points except double CC. First prove then speak blah blah . You are very knowledgeable about the game. Come and defeat my argument or just play the tutorials . I am not going to disagree if point is proved. If entire player community including manys pros of the game look the other way, you should provide convincing point to player community. How noobs will argue you know ? By calling all others noob .

Refuse these points : -

1. Critical heal following cloak is not acceptable. Resets fight in 1 second. Aleady many made youtube videos and made a laughing stock.
2. Bomb build is not acceptable. 3 average nightablades destory entire group for 30-50 in 2 seconds. Very good balance. No one can run detection pods with shields all the time.
3. Cloak immediately after lethal arrow is not acceptable. Lethal arrow needs fixes that another topic. Rest is upto specific instances. Ranged attacks greater than 15 M should reveal NB location for 3 seconds. Spamming lethal arrows combined with cloak is not acceptable. Spam lethal arrows with cloak ,

@Minalan just told magicka builds how magicka builds escape from double CCs. That too its very secret build . He just PM. Again he didnt refute other points in convincing way to make NB overpowered .

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.

TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.

LOL. My main

StaticWave wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.

TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.

BohnT wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.

TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.

That is the problem of balance discussions on the forums. You have people with no skill, bad knowledge, bias and bad builds who try to defend things they can't even grasp.

That's precisely why I don't take many forumers seriously. All I've seen from these nerf threads are either extreme hyperbole, or just straight up misinformation. I've backed up my argument with facts and videos, but some people still choose to ignore them and stay biased. If a lot of them play on NA PC, chances are I've run into them in cyrodill, whether solo or with a group. It's a shame skilled players that I frequently see in cyrodill don't really go on the forums too often. Their 2-cents weigh a lot more than those of people who act knowledgeable on the forums, but don't have the skills or actual knowledge to back it up.

LOL. NB is overpowered a lot to other classes . Lethal arrow with cloak almost overused in every PVP battles . USe detect pots for NB 35 meters away , without knowing his location. Sorc is not my main, even magicka builds. You completely misinformed. I going to have NB main. You did prove or refute the points except double CC. First prove then speak blah blah . You are very knowledgeable about the game. Come and defeat my argument or just play the tutorials . I am not going to disagree if point is proved. If entire player community including manys pros of the game look the other way, you should provide convincing point to player community. How noobs will argue you know ? By calling all others noob .

Refuse these points : -

1. Critical heal following cloak is not acceptable. Resets fight in 1 second. Aleady many made youtube videos and made a laughing stock.
2. Bomb build is not acceptable. 3 average nightablades destory entire group for 30-50 in 2 seconds. Very good balance. No one can run detection pods with shields all the time.
3. Cloak immediately after lethal arrow is not acceptable. Lethal arrow needs fixes that another topic. Rest is upto specific instances. Ranged attacks greater than 15 M should reveal NB location for 3 seconds. Spamming lethal arrows combined with cloak is not acceptable. Spam lethal arrows with cloak ,

@Minalan just told magicka builds how magicka builds escape from double CCs. That too its very secret build . He just PM. Again he didnt refute other points in convincing way to make NB overpowered .

Nbs are overpowered? Not in the least. Your example with lethal arrow and cloak cannot be used to judge the entire class, since you're specifically talking about the gank playstyle. Many classes outperform Nbs in other builds.

1/ Crit heals in cloak is the only reason Nbs can compete with other stam classes like stamdks, stamwardens, stamsorcs, and stamplars. While cloak can often reset the fight, it is in fact very unreliable if your opponents know how to counter it. Stamsorcs who use hurricane and streak will not let you stay in cloak. Stamdks will use noxious breath and volatile armor to constantly pull you out of stealth. Stamplars will constantly snare you with their passive, then pull you out of cloak with their biting jabs. Stamwardens can sub assault and just face the direction where they think you are. If you are pulled out of cloak, your heals will not crit. If you take away crit heals, then you are forcing Nbs to cloak more, which is what people complain about. They lack the heals that other classes have.

2/ Again, you are talking about a specific playstyle. You can't make a blanket judgement about the class based on a specific build. The main damage skills magblades run to bomb groups are powerful aoes like destro ult, and proxy det. You can pull off the same feat on another magicka class if you run an invisible potion. Nbs just do it better since they have a built in invisibility skill. Moreover, that specific playstyle requires good judgement. Not many people can pull it off, and it certainly does not perform well in other scenarios.

3/ Again, you're talking about a specific playstyle that does not make the entire class overpowered. Sniping builds use cloak as their main defense. I don't need to refute this point because it does not make sense to judge an entire class based on your bad taste with one playstyle.

For your information. Destro ultimate cannot make bomb build even proximity detonation. Players have enough time to escape and pull their shields up and kill you in no time. Only NB can do it with their ultimate which combines with CC. Kill entire group in 2 seconds. No other classes can do it in any way. With destro ultimate cannot CC . You will get killed in no time.

Lethal arrow spam by NB is different from other classes. When NB uses lethal arrow combines with cloak not revealing location, it cannot be countered , when player is 35 meters away. Lethal arrow itself needs fixes increasing channel time or just cannot be spammed or exploited. Either they have to reveal location of player using lethal arrow and cannot cloak for 3 or 2 seconds.

NB lacks the heal other classes have. Its not all classes . Other classes lacks the cloak that NB have. Other classes lack critical heal. Cloak is not the problem here. Critical heal is the problem. Why should NB have critical heal with cloak when other classes can only ordinary heal without cloak ?

1. Spamming Lethal Arrow has to be one of the least effective ways of PvP'ing. I don't know how it's even possible to die to Lethal Arrow spam (Asylum combo is a whole another matter).
2. Cloaking immediately after Lethal Arrow results in your cloak breaking around one second later as the Lethal Arrow lands. Possibly the worst use of cloak in history.
3. Cloak doesn't give you crit heals, not if there's even one DoT on target (such as the Poisoned status effect from those Lethal Arrows). If there's a DoT on target, crit morph of cloak does nothing. Bug documented here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392360/shadowy-disguise-still-bugged

1. Dodge Lethal Arrow (or break CC caused by that 5-6k Lethal Arrow from the typical Hundings Rage pro sniper).
2. Pay attention & move towards the NB, he'll be spamming those Lethal Arrows because pugs are predictable.
3. When in range, use gap closer.
4. CC/Ulti.
5. Gather AP.

DDuke wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.

TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.

LOL. My main

StaticWave wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.

TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.

BohnT wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.

TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.

That is the problem of balance discussions on the forums. You have people with no skill, bad knowledge, bias and bad builds who try to defend things they can't even grasp.

That's precisely why I don't take many forumers seriously. All I've seen from these nerf threads are either extreme hyperbole, or just straight up misinformation. I've backed up my argument with facts and videos, but some people still choose to ignore them and stay biased. If a lot of them play on NA PC, chances are I've run into them in cyrodill, whether solo or with a group. It's a shame skilled players that I frequently see in cyrodill don't really go on the forums too often. Their 2-cents weigh a lot more than those of people who act knowledgeable on the forums, but don't have the skills or actual knowledge to back it up.

LOL. NB is overpowered a lot to other classes . Lethal arrow with cloak almost overused in every PVP battles . USe detect pots for NB 35 meters away , without knowing his location. Sorc is not my main, even magicka builds. You completely misinformed. I going to have NB main. You did prove or refute the points except double CC. First prove then speak blah blah . You are very knowledgeable about the game. Come and defeat my argument or just play the tutorials . I am not going to disagree if point is proved. If entire player community including manys pros of the game look the other way, you should provide convincing point to player community. How noobs will argue you know ? By calling all others noob .

Refuse these points : -

1. Critical heal following cloak is not acceptable. Resets fight in 1 second. Aleady many made youtube videos and made a laughing stock.
2. Bomb build is not acceptable. 3 average nightablades destory entire group for 30-50 in 2 seconds. Very good balance. No one can run detection pods with shields all the time.
3. Cloak immediately after lethal arrow is not acceptable. Lethal arrow needs fixes that another topic. Rest is upto specific instances. Ranged attacks greater than 15 M should reveal NB location for 3 seconds. Spamming lethal arrows combined with cloak is not acceptable. Spam lethal arrows with cloak ,

@Minalan just told magicka builds how magicka builds escape from double CCs. That too its very secret build . He just PM. Again he didnt refute other points in convincing way to make NB overpowered .

Nbs are overpowered? Not in the least. Your example with lethal arrow and cloak cannot be used to judge the entire class, since you're specifically talking about the gank playstyle. Many classes outperform Nbs in other builds.

1/ Crit heals in cloak is the only reason Nbs can compete with other stam classes like stamdks, stamwardens, stamsorcs, and stamplars. While cloak can often reset the fight, it is in fact very unreliable if your opponents know how to counter it. Stamsorcs who use hurricane and streak will not let you stay in cloak. Stamdks will use noxious breath and volatile armor to constantly pull you out of stealth. Stamplars will constantly snare you with their passive, then pull you out of cloak with their biting jabs. Stamwardens can sub assault and just face the direction where they think you are. If you are pulled out of cloak, your heals will not crit. If you take away crit heals, then you are forcing Nbs to cloak more, which is what people complain about. They lack the heals that other classes have.

2/ Again, you are talking about a specific playstyle. You can't make a blanket judgement about the class based on a specific build. The main damage skills magblades run to bomb groups are powerful aoes like destro ult, and proxy det. You can pull off the same feat on another magicka class if you run an invisible potion. Nbs just do it better since they have a built in invisibility skill. Moreover, that specific playstyle requires good judgement. Not many people can pull it off, and it certainly does not perform well in other scenarios.

3/ Again, you're talking about a specific playstyle that does not make the entire class overpowered. Sniping builds use cloak as their main defense. I don't need to refute this point because it does not make sense to judge an entire class based on your bad taste with one playstyle.

For your information. Destro ultimate cannot make bomb build even proximity detonation. Players have enough time to escape and pull their shields up and kill you in no time. Only NB can do it with their ultimate which combines with CC. Kill entire group in 2 seconds. No other classes can do it in any way. With destro ultimate cannot CC . You will get killed in no time.

Lethal arrow spam by NB is different from other classes. When NB uses lethal arrow combines with cloak not revealing location, it cannot be countered , when player is 35 meters away. Lethal arrow itself needs fixes increasing channel time or just cannot be spammed or exploited. Either they have to reveal location of player using lethal arrow and cannot cloak for 3 or 2 seconds.

NB lacks the heal other classes have. Its not all classes . Other classes lacks the cloak that NB have. Other classes lack critical heal. Cloak is not the problem here. Critical heal is the problem. Why should NB have critical heal with cloak when other classes can only ordinary heal without cloak ?

Couple of things:

1. Spamming Lethal Arrow has to be one of the least effective ways of PvP'ing. I don't know how it's even possible to die to Lethal Arrow spam (Asylum combo is a whole another matter).
2. Cloaking immediately after Lethal Arrow results in your cloak breaking around one second later as the Lethal Arrow lands. Possibly the worst use of cloak in history.
3. Cloak doesn't give you crit heals, not if there's even one DoT on target (such as the Poisoned status effect from those Lethal Arrows). If there's a DoT on target, crit morph of cloak does nothing. Bug documented here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392360/shadowy-disguise-still-bugged

Since you clearly seem to be struggling with the zerg surfing Lethal Arrow spammers, allow me to offer a foolproof way of gathering free AP points:

1. Dodge Lethal Arrow (or break CC caused by that 5-6k Lethal Arrow from the typical Hundings Rage pro sniper).
2. Pay attention & move towards the NB, he'll be spamming those Lethal Arrows because pugs are predictable.
3. When in range, use gap closer.
4. CC/Ulti.
5. Gather AP.

You're welcome.

DDuke wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.

TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.

LOL. My main

StaticWave wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.

TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.

BohnT wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

@Priyasekarssk You sound like a true NB hater. At this point words mean nothing to you so I'm going to ask for a video of you playing NB. Show everyone how overpowered NBs are. I will wait for that 1vX video.

TMW: One angry Sorc discovers that his build is bad and that his class isn’t completely underpowered.

That is the problem of balance discussions on the forums. You have people with no skill, bad knowledge, bias and bad builds who try to defend things they can't even grasp.

That's precisely why I don't take many forumers seriously. All I've seen from these nerf threads are either extreme hyperbole, or just straight up misinformation. I've backed up my argument with facts and videos, but some people still choose to ignore them and stay biased. If a lot of them play on NA PC, chances are I've run into them in cyrodill, whether solo or with a group. It's a shame skilled players that I frequently see in cyrodill don't really go on the forums too often. Their 2-cents weigh a lot more than those of people who act knowledgeable on the forums, but don't have the skills or actual knowledge to back it up.

LOL. NB is overpowered a lot to other classes . Lethal arrow with cloak almost overused in every PVP battles . USe detect pots for NB 35 meters away , without knowing his location. Sorc is not my main, even magicka builds. You completely misinformed. I going to have NB main. You did prove or refute the points except double CC. First prove then speak blah blah . You are very knowledgeable about the game. Come and defeat my argument or just play the tutorials . I am not going to disagree if point is proved. If entire player community including manys pros of the game look the other way, you should provide convincing point to player community. How noobs will argue you know ? By calling all others noob .

Refuse these points : -

1. Critical heal following cloak is not acceptable. Resets fight in 1 second. Aleady many made youtube videos and made a laughing stock.
2. Bomb build is not acceptable. 3 average nightablades destory entire group for 30-50 in 2 seconds. Very good balance. No one can run detection pods with shields all the time.
3. Cloak immediately after lethal arrow is not acceptable. Lethal arrow needs fixes that another topic. Rest is upto specific instances. Ranged attacks greater than 15 M should reveal NB location for 3 seconds. Spamming lethal arrows combined with cloak is not acceptable. Spam lethal arrows with cloak ,

@Minalan just told magicka builds how magicka builds escape from double CCs. That too its very secret build . He just PM. Again he didnt refute other points in convincing way to make NB overpowered .

Nbs are overpowered? Not in the least. Your example with lethal arrow and cloak cannot be used to judge the entire class, since you're specifically talking about the gank playstyle. Many classes outperform Nbs in other builds.

1/ Crit heals in cloak is the only reason Nbs can compete with other stam classes like stamdks, stamwardens, stamsorcs, and stamplars. While cloak can often reset the fight, it is in fact very unreliable if your opponents know how to counter it. Stamsorcs who use hurricane and streak will not let you stay in cloak. Stamdks will use noxious breath and volatile armor to constantly pull you out of stealth. Stamplars will constantly snare you with their passive, then pull you out of cloak with their biting jabs. Stamwardens can sub assault and just face the direction where they think you are. If you are pulled out of cloak, your heals will not crit. If you take away crit heals, then you are forcing Nbs to cloak more, which is what people complain about. They lack the heals that other classes have.

2/ Again, you are talking about a specific playstyle. You can't make a blanket judgement about the class based on a specific build. The main damage skills magblades run to bomb groups are powerful aoes like destro ult, and proxy det. You can pull off the same feat on another magicka class if you run an invisible potion. Nbs just do it better since they have a built in invisibility skill. Moreover, that specific playstyle requires good judgement. Not many people can pull it off, and it certainly does not perform well in other scenarios.

3/ Again, you're talking about a specific playstyle that does not make the entire class overpowered. Sniping builds use cloak as their main defense. I don't need to refute this point because it does not make sense to judge an entire class based on your bad taste with one playstyle.

For your information. Destro ultimate cannot make bomb build even proximity detonation. Players have enough time to escape and pull their shields up and kill you in no time. Only NB can do it with their ultimate which combines with CC. Kill entire group in 2 seconds. No other classes can do it in any way. With destro ultimate cannot CC . You will get killed in no time.

Lethal arrow spam by NB is different from other classes. When NB uses lethal arrow combines with cloak not revealing location, it cannot be countered , when player is 35 meters away. Lethal arrow itself needs fixes increasing channel time or just cannot be spammed or exploited. Either they have to reveal location of player using lethal arrow and cannot cloak for 3 or 2 seconds.

NB lacks the heal other classes have. Its not all classes . Other classes lacks the cloak that NB have. Other classes lack critical heal. Cloak is not the problem here. Critical heal is the problem. Why should NB have critical heal with cloak when other classes can only ordinary heal without cloak ?

Couple of things:

1. Spamming Lethal Arrow has to be one of the least effective ways of PvP'ing. I don't know how it's even possible to die to Lethal Arrow spam (Asylum combo is a whole another matter).
2. Cloaking immediately after Lethal Arrow results in your cloak breaking around one second later as the Lethal Arrow lands. Possibly the worst use of cloak in history.
3. Cloak doesn't give you crit heals, not if there's even one DoT on target (such as the Poisoned status effect from those Lethal Arrows). If there's a DoT on target, crit morph of cloak does nothing. Bug documented here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392360/shadowy-disguise-still-bugged

Since you clearly seem to be struggling with the zerg surfing Lethal Arrow spammers, allow me to offer a foolproof way of gathering free AP points:

1. Dodge Lethal Arrow (or break CC caused by that 5-6k Lethal Arrow from the typical Hundings Rage pro sniper).
2. Pay attention & move towards the NB, he'll be spamming those Lethal Arrows because pugs are predictable.
3. When in range, use gap closer.
4. CC/Ulti.
5. Gather AP.

You're welcome.