Nirnhoned vs Infused + wpn dmg enchant

NewFordOrder · March 2018

Which is better for dual wield on stam builds for damage?

commdt · March 2018

Nirn main hand (poison damage), infused offhand (berserker)

Maulkin · March 2018

PvP or PvE?

Morgul667 · March 2018

Stupid question but I was never sure which one is main hand and which one is off hand?

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · March 2018

Morgul667 wrote: »

Stupid question but I was never sure which one is main hand and which one is off hand?

Nirn main, infused off hand. If you put nirn in the off hand, it would only give you 12 more weapon damage.

Morgul667 · March 2018

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

Stupid question but I was never sure which one is main hand and which one is off hand?

Nirn main, infused off hand. If you put nirn in the off hand, it would only give you 12 more weapon damage.

Yeah but which one is the main one ? when you open the inventory and character items window ? left or right in the window ?

Baz · March 2018

Left in your inventory, result to be in your right hand

Morgul667 · March 2018

Baz wrote: »

Left in your inventory, result to be in your right hand

Thanks, I know this was stupid question but always had unclear mind.

Appreciate the reply

Azurya · March 2018

Morgul667 wrote: »

Baz wrote: »

Left in your inventory, result to be in your right hand

Thanks, I know this was stupid question but always had unclear mind.

Appreciate the reply

stupid it would be if you didn´t ask and go on being uncertain!

Septimus_Magna · March 2018

The reason why you want nirn in the main hand is that DW weapon dmg is calcuated like this: 100% main-hand + 10% off-hand
So you always want the highest weapon dmg value in the main hand.

The reason why you want infused in the off-hand is that it buffs the Berserker enchant AND reduces the enchant CD on your main hand.

Datolite · March 2018

commdt wrote: »

Nirn main hand (poison damage), infused offhand (berserker)

I've heard told that it's actually better to put berserker on your main hand with that setup due to it proccing more reliably. I can't back this up or find the proper thread, but the guy did his math. Can anyone confirm this?

WrathOfInnos · March 2018

Poison enchant should be on main hand because then it will proc on weapon skills (every tick of endless hail or poison injection, with a 2s cooldown). Weapon damage enchant only procs on light or heavy attacks anyway, so it would be wasted on the main hand and off-hand poison enchant would be less reliable.

jjohnson023b14_ESO · March 2018

What would you suggest for bow with nirn/poison & infused berserker?

If you don't group often, would you suggest sharpened over any of those?

Thanks

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · March 2018

jjohnson023b14_ESO wrote: »

What would you suggest for bow with nirn/poison & infused berserker?

If you don't group often, would you suggest sharpened over any of those?

Thanks

No. Sharpened is junk. With bow/bow, your front hand is infused poison enchant, back bar is nirn with dual damage health poison, not an enchant, though you could run disease here if you don't want to make a ton of poisons.

See here, https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/381498/everything-needed-to-know-about-bow-bow-in-pve/p1

Cinbri · March 2018

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Poison enchant should be on main hand because then it will proc on weapon skills (every tick of endless hail or poison injection, with a 2s cooldown). Weapon damage enchant only procs on light or heavy attacks anyway, so it would be wasted on the main hand and off-hand poison enchant would be less reliable.

Zos should fix weapon damage enchant to proc on weapon abilities like any other enchant. This limitation decreasing reliabilityof it for a lot.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · March 2018

Cinbri wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Poison enchant should be on main hand because then it will proc on weapon skills (every tick of endless hail or poison injection, with a 2s cooldown). Weapon damage enchant only procs on light or heavy attacks anyway, so it would be wasted on the main hand and off-hand poison enchant would be less reliable.

Zos should fix weapon damage enchant to proc on weapon abilities like any other enchant. This limitation decreasing reliabilityof it for a lot.

I don't agree, with an infused weapon damage enchant, on a stam build, the weapon damage enchant would be be up 99% of the time and that is a HUGE power spike, considering that the enchant is buffed by all the percentage amps that Stam has access to, it ends up being around 800 extra weapon damage. No. I like that you need to have light and heavy attacks to proc that much power.

Cinbri · March 2018

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Poison enchant should be on main hand because then it will proc on weapon skills (every tick of endless hail or poison injection, with a 2s cooldown). Weapon damage enchant only procs on light or heavy attacks anyway, so it would be wasted on the main hand and off-hand poison enchant would be less reliable.

Zos should fix weapon damage enchant to proc on weapon abilities like any other enchant. This limitation decreasing reliabilityof it for a lot.

I don't agree, with an infused weapon damage enchant, on a stam build, the weapon damage enchant would be be up 99% of the time and that is a HUGE power spike, considering that the enchant is buffed by all the percentage amps that Stam has access to, it ends up being around 800 extra weapon damage. No. I like that you need to have light and heavy attacks to proc that much power.

This argument "stamina so strong that..." is only shows once again that stamina meta overperform magicka.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · March 2018

Cinbri wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Poison enchant should be on main hand because then it will proc on weapon skills (every tick of endless hail or poison injection, with a 2s cooldown). Weapon damage enchant only procs on light or heavy attacks anyway, so it would be wasted on the main hand and off-hand poison enchant would be less reliable.

Zos should fix weapon damage enchant to proc on weapon abilities like any other enchant. This limitation decreasing reliabilityof it for a lot.

I don't agree, with an infused weapon damage enchant, on a stam build, the weapon damage enchant would be be up 99% of the time and that is a HUGE power spike, considering that the enchant is buffed by all the percentage amps that Stam has access to, it ends up being around 800 extra weapon damage. No. I like that you need to have light and heavy attacks to proc that much power.

This argument "stamina so strong that..." is only shows once again that stamina meta overperform magicka.

I didn't say that. I said that the weapon damage enchant would be too easy to keep up for the power you get. This goes for mag as well, though they would be around 600 spell damage from the enchant because they lack the percentage boosts to spell damage that Stam has access to boost weapon damage, mostly dawnbreaker (8%) and medium armor (12%). The weapon damage enchant would proc off of wall of elements off cooldown, just like it would proc off of endless hail off cool down.

Cinbri · March 2018

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Poison enchant should be on main hand because then it will proc on weapon skills (every tick of endless hail or poison injection, with a 2s cooldown). Weapon damage enchant only procs on light or heavy attacks anyway, so it would be wasted on the main hand and off-hand poison enchant would be less reliable.

Zos should fix weapon damage enchant to proc on weapon abilities like any other enchant. This limitation decreasing reliabilityof it for a lot.

I don't agree, with an infused weapon damage enchant, on a stam build, the weapon damage enchant would be be up 99% of the time and that is a HUGE power spike, considering that the enchant is buffed by all the percentage amps that Stam has access to, it ends up being around 800 extra weapon damage. No. I like that you need to have light and heavy attacks to proc that much power.

This argument "stamina so strong that..." is only shows once again that stamina meta overperform magicka.

I didn't say that. I said that the weapon damage enchant would be too easy to keep up for the power you get. This goes for mag as well, though they would be around 600 spell damage from the enchant because they lack the percentage boosts to spell damage that Stam has access to boost weapon damage, mostly dawnbreaker (8%) and medium armor (12%). The weapon damage enchant would proc off of wall of elements off cooldown, just like it would proc off of endless hail of cool down.

We need official confirmation if such mechanic of wpd encant is intended or not. Dont recall zos said anything about it.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · March 2018

Cinbri wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Poison enchant should be on main hand because then it will proc on weapon skills (every tick of endless hail or poison injection, with a 2s cooldown). Weapon damage enchant only procs on light or heavy attacks anyway, so it would be wasted on the main hand and off-hand poison enchant would be less reliable.

Zos should fix weapon damage enchant to proc on weapon abilities like any other enchant. This limitation decreasing reliabilityof it for a lot.

I don't agree, with an infused weapon damage enchant, on a stam build, the weapon damage enchant would be be up 99% of the time and that is a HUGE power spike, considering that the enchant is buffed by all the percentage amps that Stam has access to, it ends up being around 800 extra weapon damage. No. I like that you need to have light and heavy attacks to proc that much power.

This argument "stamina so strong that..." is only shows once again that stamina meta overperform magicka.

I didn't say that. I said that the weapon damage enchant would be too easy to keep up for the power you get. This goes for mag as well, though they would be around 600 spell damage from the enchant because they lack the percentage boosts to spell damage that Stam has access to boost weapon damage, mostly dawnbreaker (8%) and medium armor (12%). The weapon damage enchant would proc off of wall of elements off cooldown, just like it would proc off of endless hail of cool down.

We need official confirmation if such mechanic of wpd encant is intended or not. Dont recall zos said anything about it.

I mean that would be great but I have made it clear that I like it the way it is. If you want that huge potential power spike up more, you have to weave consistently. I like that idea. Keeps a learning curve, separating the good from the great.

jnelson1182 · April 2018

when it comes to main hand/bar and off hand/bar does it actually matter which one you use as which or is the other thing that really determines which is main an which is your back bar the amount of time you spend on that bar? I'm asking cuz I have mine set up sort of backwards just because I did not want to have to switch my skills up when it was easier to switch out weapons while spending the majority of time on my "back hand". if there is any boost to stats that I am missing from doing it this way then I will switch back but if I am not losing anything then its easier for me to just keep it the way I have it? if I wanted to bring up my resistances is there a decent weapon glyph that would work?

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · April 2018

main hand/bar and off hand/bar

Main hand/off hand only refers to dual wield. Main hand is the the weapon that goes in your right hand and off hand is one that goes in your left hand.

Front bar/back bar is different. That applys generally to two handed weapons like the destro, bows and the two-hander, where you more then like just want double infused with either double damage enchants (like fire or poison on front bar and lightning or disease on back) or a damage enhant on the front and a weapon Damage enchant (http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Glyph_of_Weapon_Damage) on the back, depending on how good you are at light attack weaving since that glyph only procs on light or heavy attacks and all the other proc off of weapon ablitys as well.

Maura_Neysa · April 2018

I thought BiS was Infused Main Hand, Precise Off-Hand?

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · April 2018

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

I thought BiS was Infused Main Hand, Precise Off-Hand?

No. Simply because your get the full value for both nirn main hand and infused off hand in each hand AND the infused off hand reduces the cool down of the main hand enchant as well.

Precise has been junk since they buffed all the other traits and nerfed the shadow.

MLGProPlayer · April 2018

For magicka, double infused is BiS. Not sure about stamina.

Source: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/359916/mundus-trait-and-cp-optimisation-for-pve-damage-dealers/p1

Maura_Neysa · April 2018

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

I thought BiS was Infused Main Hand, Precise Off-Hand?

No. Simply because your get the full value for both nirn main hand and infused off hand in each hand AND the infused off hand reduces the cool down of the main hand enchant as well.

Precise has been junk since they buffed all the other traits and nerfed the shadow.

Definitely not "since they buffed all other traits" after a quick check I do see that the Bones Premade builds are calling for it now. In Clockwork Premades still called for precise (Nirn Main, Precise Off). Either way, good to know its has changed.
I have no DW DPS so I dont follow those builds much.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · April 2018

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

I thought BiS was Infused Main Hand, Precise Off-Hand?

No. Simply because your get the full value for both nirn main hand and infused off hand in each hand AND the infused off hand reduces the cool down of the main hand enchant as well.

Precise has been junk since they buffed all the other traits and nerfed the shadow.

Definitely not "since they buffed all other traits" after a quick check I do see that the Bones Premade builds are calling for it now. In Clockwork Premades still called for precise (Nirn Main, Precise Off). Either way, good to know its has changed.
I have no DW DPS so I dont follow those builds much.

My God, you really can not let me be right about anything, I seen it was you and almost didn't comment but I was like no way she could say anything bad about this but no, you went and did it. You really put a lot of stock in other peoples builds. If you have no builds that use it, why do you care? And The only reason you see that is because in trash fights precise *may* better. But no one cares about that. If

Maura_Neysa · April 2018

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

I thought BiS was Infused Main Hand, Precise Off-Hand?

No. Simply because your get the full value for both nirn main hand and infused off hand in each hand AND the infused off hand reduces the cool down of the main hand enchant as well.

Precise has been junk since they buffed all the other traits and nerfed the shadow.

Definitely not "since they buffed all other traits" after a quick check I do see that the Bones Premade builds are calling for it now. In Clockwork Premades still called for precise (Nirn Main, Precise Off). Either way, good to know its has changed.
I have no DW DPS so I dont follow those builds much.

My God, you really can not let me be right about anything, I seen it was you and almost didn't comment but I was like no way she could say anything bad about this but no, you went and did it. You really put a lot of stock in other peoples builds. If you have no builds that use it, why do you care? And The only reason you see that is because in trash fights precise *may* better. But no one cares about that. If

Really??? I just said you where right. Everything except for exaggerating when the meta changed. Hell maybe you were even just ahead of the times figuring it out first.
Considering in our first encounter you proved yourself wrong (Along with proving me wrong) then sorry but yeah, I cant just except your word at face value.
What the Mundus/Trait changes did was kill the Sharpened Meta, they are what created the Precise meta. So yeah, you are just straight up half wrong yet again.

Thank you for educating me about this most recent (even if its much less recent than it seems) meta change though. At least most of the time you actually put out useful information while trying to bait me at the same time.

GaunterODim · April 2018

when i tested it the last time, my beserker enchant would not proc on wall of elements, but only on light and heavy attacks, so id suggest you should test it again for yourself. you never know when eso changes its mind.

Maura_Neysa · April 2018

GaunterODim wrote: »

when i tested it the last time, my beserker enchant would not proc on wall of elements, but only on light and heavy attacks, so id suggest you should test it again for yourself. you never know when eso changes its mind.

I can't say for certain about Berserk, but Wall does proc Weaking and Crusher once I bar swap. Crusher being my S&B enchant and Weaking my Ice Staff enchant. AkA Wall of Elements procs which ever weapon enchat is up whether its the one thats actually on my Staff or not.
No idea if that is a bug or not I just know I use it all the time to Crusher mobs I dont even have agro on. Like The Mage or her Reflections while I hold the Axes (At least when I can reach from the rock.