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Magsorc DPS way too low?
sf37
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I'm running a Breton Magsorc, CP 618, and a vampire. I just can't get my DPS above 13-14k (on 3mil dummy) no matter what I do. It stays in that same area, whether I'm using potions, elemental drain, or not.
Gear:
Head: Ilambris (Light) (purple) (gold max magicka enchant)
Chest: Mechanical Acuity (Heavy) (gold) (gold health enchant)
Shoulders: Ilambris (Medium) (purple) (gold max magicka enchant)
Waist: Mechanical Acuity (Light) (purple) (gold max magicka enchant)
Hands: Mechanical Acuity (Light) (purple) (gold max magicka enchant)
Legs: Mechanical Acuity (Light) (gold) (gold max magicka enchant)
Feet: Mechanical Acuity (Light) (purple) (gold max magicka enchant)
Jewelry: 3 piece purple Willpower, all with gold spell damage enchantment, and arcane.
All armor is divines. I'm using the Apprentice boon, but did try the Lover with no change in DPS.
Main Hand Weapon: Gold infused inferno staff with gold absorb magicka enchantment. Abilities: crystal fragments, mage's wrath, force pulse, bound aegis, inner light, fiery rage ultimate.
Backup Weapon: Gold nirnhoned lightning staff with gold weapon damage enchantment. Abilities: harness magicka, haunting curse, liquid lightning, bound aegis, blockade of storms, atronach ultimate *or* suppression field ultimate.
The staves are Julianos, but only because I used Julianos/Necro with a pet build prior and am just recycling the staves since I don't have Asylum, Master, or Maelstrom weapons.
Rotation: harness magicka, LA, LL, LA, blockade of storms, haunting curse, bar swap, LA, force pulse, LA force pulse, LA force pulse, and using crystal frags as it procs, dropping ultimate as available, repeat. I also use heavy attacks as necessary to try and regen some magicka.
CP distribution:
32 Warlord
49 Tenacity
75 Arcanist
25 Tumbling
25 Shadow Ward
36 Elfborn
30 Spell Erosion
44 Elemental Expert
20 Staff Expert
35 Master-at-Arms
40 Thaumaturge
52 Ironclad
42 Hardy
42 Elemental Defender
42 Thick Skinned
20 Bastion
I have all my attribute points into magicka. When buffed with blue max health & mag food, (no potions,) and with bound aegis, here are my stats:
Magicka 41521 (on front bar, slightly lower on back bar)
Magicka recovery 796 (sustain is baaaaad, but I don't think using Witchmother's Brew gives enough health?)
Health: 17203
Health recovery: 229
Stamina: 11224
Stamina recovery: 678
Spell damage: 2671
Spell critical: 41.9%
Weapon damage: 1548
Weapon critical: 22.4%
Spell resistance: 17423
Physical resistance: 10837
My partner runs a nearly identical setup, with the only difference being they have a few more armor pieces that are gold and have about 12 more CP, and they get about 16-18k dps.
We are pretty much going by this build: https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-sorcerer-build-pve/ but have yet to get the Moondancer jewelry and weapons. But, even without the Moondancer and weapons, shouldn't dps be higher?
Are there better abilities/rotation we should be using? Better sets? Different weapon traits? Any help on improving would be appreciated. Thanks!
Edited by sf37 on March 26, 2018 11:33PM Gear:
Head: Ilambris (Light) (purple) (gold max magicka enchant)
Chest: Mechanical Acuity (Heavy) (gold) (gold health enchant)
Shoulders: Ilambris (Medium) (purple) (gold max magicka enchant)
Waist: Mechanical Acuity (Light) (purple) (gold max magicka enchant)
Hands: Mechanical Acuity (Light) (purple) (gold max magicka enchant)
Legs: Mechanical Acuity (Light) (gold) (gold max magicka enchant)
Feet: Mechanical Acuity (Light) (purple) (gold max magicka enchant)
Jewelry: 3 piece purple Willpower, all with gold spell damage enchantment, and arcane.
All armor is divines. I'm using the Apprentice boon, but did try the Lover with no change in DPS.
Main Hand Weapon: Gold infused inferno staff with gold absorb magicka enchantment. Abilities: crystal fragments, mage's wrath, force pulse, bound aegis, inner light, fiery rage ultimate.
Backup Weapon: Gold nirnhoned lightning staff with gold weapon damage enchantment. Abilities: harness magicka, haunting curse, liquid lightning, bound aegis, blockade of storms, atronach ultimate *or* suppression field ultimate.
The staves are Julianos, but only because I used Julianos/Necro with a pet build prior and am just recycling the staves since I don't have Asylum, Master, or Maelstrom weapons.
Rotation: harness magicka, LA, LL, LA, blockade of storms, haunting curse, bar swap, LA, force pulse, LA force pulse, LA force pulse, and using crystal frags as it procs, dropping ultimate as available, repeat. I also use heavy attacks as necessary to try and regen some magicka.
CP distribution:
32 Warlord
49 Tenacity
75 Arcanist
25 Tumbling
25 Shadow Ward
36 Elfborn
30 Spell Erosion
44 Elemental Expert
20 Staff Expert
35 Master-at-Arms
40 Thaumaturge
52 Ironclad
42 Hardy
42 Elemental Defender
42 Thick Skinned
20 Bastion
I have all my attribute points into magicka. When buffed with blue max health & mag food, (no potions,) and with bound aegis, here are my stats:
Magicka 41521 (on front bar, slightly lower on back bar)
Magicka recovery 796 (sustain is baaaaad, but I don't think using Witchmother's Brew gives enough health?)
Health: 17203
Health recovery: 229
Stamina: 11224
Stamina recovery: 678
Spell damage: 2671
Spell critical: 41.9%
Weapon damage: 1548
Weapon critical: 22.4%
Spell resistance: 17423
Physical resistance: 10837
My partner runs a nearly identical setup, with the only difference being they have a few more armor pieces that are gold and have about 12 more CP, and they get about 16-18k dps.
We are pretty much going by this build: https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-sorcerer-build-pve/ but have yet to get the Moondancer jewelry and weapons. But, even without the Moondancer and weapons, shouldn't dps be higher?
Are there better abilities/rotation we should be using? Better sets? Different weapon traits? Any help on improving would be appreciated. Thanks!
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SirAndy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Inb4 the obligatory "i run naked with only a bucket and a broom and i get more dps than you" crowd shows up ...
Edited by SirAndy on March 26, 2018 11:41PM4 -
AuraNebula✭✭✭✭✭You're going to need to run witchmothers. Preferably Clockwork Citrus Filet, although it is really expensive or spend a lot of time fishing to get perfect roe. Enchant one of your big armor pieces with a health glyph to make up for the health loss. If you have a video of your rotation it might help.
I would also suggest taking some CP out of staff expert and put more into master at arms and elemental expert. Also I would put a shock enchant on your front bar. Get Meteor and slot that on your front bar and use elemental rage on your back bar. Do not use harness magicka in your rotation on a dummy. It only restores magicka when your shield takes damage.Edited by AuraNebula on March 26, 2018 11:51PM1 -
Karm1cOne✭✭✭✭✭From the sound of it, you are having trouble with animation cancelling. Keep at it, try to smooth out the rotation and dps will go up.2 -
AuraNebula✭✭✭✭✭The beginning of your rotation you should also use an ultimate. Some people prefer using meteor and buffing it with inner light, I like to use elemental. I'm hitting 34k right now with a very similar rotation.
Edit: you might also want to consider a race change to either dark elf or high elf.Edited by AuraNebula on March 27, 2018 12:09AM1 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Your stats are good. It's gotta be AC and rotation.
Heavy attacks are being used correct?
Btw you wanna LA after everything except bar swap, and bar swap cancel an ability and straight into another ability.
Like LL, LA, Blockade, swap, Curse, LA, Pulse, LA, ...
Atro will be your best single Target ult
Drop illambris, iirc Maw or Zaan will both out dps it
You want front bar gold Lightning staff, your AoEs will add more damage than single Target and lightning staff buffs them. Back bar inferno with Blockade. (Unless you're doin off balance stuff which it doesn't look like you are)
You need one Wpn/spell damage glyphs on either backbar or front bar
This will improve dps a lot1 -
sf37✭Princessrhaenyra wrote: »You're going to need to run witchmothers. Preferably Clockwork Citrus Filet, although it is really expensive or spend a lot of time fishing to get perfect roe. Enchant one of your big armor pieces with a health glyph to make up for the health loss. If you have a video of your rotation it might help.
I would also suggest taking some CP out of staff expert and put more into master at arms and elemental expert. Also I would put a shock enchant on your front bar. Get Meteor and slot that on your front bar and use elemental rage on your back bar. Do not use harness magicka in your rotation on a dummy. It only restores magicka when your shield takes damage.
My chest is heavy armor, gold, with a gold max health enchant. Without the blue food (Mistral Banana-Bunny Hash or Solitude Salmon-Millet Soup) and with Witchmother's, my max health I think is around 15.8k or so. With Jugged Rabbit in Preserves, it is around 16.3k. Is health in the high 15k area enough for most PVE content (not talking about trials or vet dungeons - just regular questing, normal dungeons, world bosses?) I do have the recipe for Clockwork Citrus Filet already, and doing the fishing for perfect roe isn't really a problem. I will try that as well and see how much it bumps my health up.
I am working on getting Meteor - my Mage's Guild is at 7. I don't use harness magicka on the dummy, unless I hit it out of habit, I just included that because it's what I use in my regular rotation when in combat.
I'm not sure how to make a video of my rotation (play on PS4) but I will look into that.
I was not all that familiar with animation cancelling, so I watched a few videos about it. At least now I know why I can get killed so fast when I take a character into Cyrodiil.From the sound of it, you are having trouble with animation cancelling. Keep at it, try to smooth out the rotation and dps will go up.
I will work on that and practice it.Princessrhaenyra wrote: »The beginning of your rotation you should also use an ultimate. Some people prefer using meteor and buffing it with inner light, I like to use elemental. I'm hitting 34k right now with a very similar rotation.
Edit: you might also want to consider a race change to either dark elf or high elf.
I will do this when I practice on the target dummy next. I know that my race isn't optimal, but I'm willing to sacrifice a bit of DPS to remain Breton, since I like the race and the look of my character.
I am also working on leveling up Mage's Guild to get the ultimate.
Thank you folks for all the help and suggestions!
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sf37✭
I'm learning about animation cancelling and will start practicing how to do that.Waffennacht wrote: »Your stats are good. It's gotta be AC and rotation.
Heavy attacks are being used correct?
Btw you wanna LA after everything except bar swap, and bar swap cancel an ability and straight into another ability.
Like LL, LA, Blockade, swap, Curse, LA, Pulse, LA, ...
Atro will be your best single Target ult
Drop illambris, iirc Maw or Zaan will both out dps it
You want front bar gold Lightning staff, your AoEs will add more damage than single Target and lightning staff buffs them. Back bar inferno with Blockade. (Unless you're doin off balance stuff which it doesn't look like you are)
You need one Wpn/spell damage glyphs on either backbar or front bar
This will improve dps a lot
I do use heavy attacks, yes.
I will see about getting a new monster set. I have 1pc Zaan from an undaunted chest, so I'll try to get the helm. I previously ran a Grothdaar headpiece (when I was using a pet build.)
Regarding my staves: Do I still want my front bar trait to be infused and back bar nirnhoned? Do I swap the abilities I use now on the lightning staff to the inferno staff, and inferno staff abilities to the lightning staff? I currently have the absorb magicka enchant on the inferno staff and a weapon/spell damage glyph on the lightning staff.
I know I need better weapons found in trials/vDSA/vMA, but I haven't really explored much of that content yet. I've done normal DSA one time, nMoL one time, and making it through normal Maelstrom Arena, much less vMA, is a pipe dream at this time.
Thank you so much for the help and suggestions!0 -
Flips✭✭Gold infused inferno staff with gold absorb magicka enchantment.
Should be flame or shock gold enchant. That's alot of extra dps I think. Also as someone said, light attack between each skill. Other then that, practice rotation and you will hit 20k soon. Gl.Soon cp10001 -
jypcy✭✭✭✭✭Yeah I started trying out magsorc yesterday, and I would recommend either going for one heavy attack per rotation or adding in more mag regen (at the cost of max resources for witchmothers/clockwork fillet or spell damage for jewelry enchants/mundus stone). I don’t know of any class that can sustain a force pulse rotation with blue food and no heavies, unless you’re interrupting your rotation to cast dark deal or equilibrium. Maybe nb or warden because they use skills that help with regen, but haven’t tested. Regardless, building a rotation you can sustain, even if it’s not using your spammable all the time, should perform better than having to interrupt your rotation as the fight wears on to perform heavies.
Also of note:
I had heard fiery rage is bugged and not actually dealing 10% bonus damage, and haven’t heard of any fixes to it since. If you do keep a flame staff, I’d switch destro ult to your lightning bar, unless you have tested the numbers and fiery is dealing it’s bonus damage.
I personally recommend swapping force pulse for crushing shock, especially if you plan on getting into harder content. It’s only a slight dps loss and there are a lot of mechanics in newer content that somebody should interrupt. Crushing shock let’s you be the group’s hero for the day by taking care of it
(And props on sticking with Breton! I’m the same way with my magplar, and I’m sure I can push higher dps if I made her a dark elf or high elf, but I’m still hitting 35k on her as an “off race”)1 -
sf37✭Yeah I started trying out magsorc yesterday, and I would recommend either going for one heavy attack per rotation or adding in more mag regen (at the cost of max resources for witchmothers/clockwork fillet or spell damage for jewelry enchants/mundus stone). I don’t know of any class that can sustain a force pulse rotation with blue food and no heavies, unless you’re interrupting your rotation to cast dark deal or equilibrium. Maybe nb or warden because they use skills that help with regen, but haven’t tested. Regardless, building a rotation you can sustain, even if it’s not using your spammable all the time, should perform better than having to interrupt your rotation as the fight wears on to perform heavies.
Also of note:
I had heard fiery rage is bugged and not actually dealing 10% bonus damage, and haven’t heard of any fixes to it since. If you do keep a flame staff, I’d switch destro ult to your lightning bar, unless you have tested the numbers and fiery is dealing it’s bonus damage.
I personally recommend swapping force pulse for crushing shock, especially if you plan on getting into harder content. It’s only a slight dps loss and there are a lot of mechanics in newer content that somebody should interrupt. Crushing shock let’s you be the group’s hero for the day by taking care of it
(And props on sticking with Breton! I’m the same way with my magplar, and I’m sure I can push higher dps if I made her a dark elf or high elf, but I’m still hitting 35k on her as an “off race”)
Thanks for all the info. There's been a lot of information in this thread and I'm going to go through and try the suggestions given to me. I'm going to try either Witchmother's or Clockwork Filet and see if that helps with sustain.
I haven't heard about the bug with fiery rage, so I'll be sure to check that out as well. I'll also try crushing shock instead of force pulse and see where that gets me. I would like to eventually get into harder content once this character's dps is where it should be, so I think that's definitely a tip worth looking into.1 -
Lynx7386✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ilambris is only really useful if you have multiple sources of both fire and lightning damage. Only having one of them proc adds 1k dps, and with both around 2k dps. Zaan easily doubles that.
I also don't think you'll benefit as much using mechanical acuity ad a primary set. On its own it isn't that great, it really needs to be supported by a damage set to shine. In your case I would say a generic set like julianos or a set like netch's touch would be better.
PS4 / NA
M'asad - Khajiit Nightblade - Healer
Pakhet - Khajiit Dragonknight - Tank
Raksha - Khajiit Sorcerer - Stamina DPS
Bastet - Khajiit Templar - Healer
Leonin - Khajiit Warden - Tank1 -
sf37✭Ilambris is only really useful if you have multiple sources of both fire and lightning damage. Only having one of them proc adds 1k dps, and with both around 2k dps. Zaan easily doubles that.
I also don't think you'll benefit as much using mechanical acuity ad a primary set. On its own it isn't that great, it really needs to be supported by a damage set to shine. In your case I would say a generic set like julianos or a set like netch's touch would be better.
I was running Julianos/Necropotence with Grothdaar headpiece, and using either the Twilight Matriarch when in a group or the clannfear when solo. I think my damage output was around the same - I was using hardened ward, power surge, boundless storm - and I rarely died.
I thought I'd try the mechanical acuity/ilambris/willpower, but I'm not sure if I'm entirely sold on it (yet.)0 -
Lynx7386✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ilambris is only really useful if you have multiple sources of both fire and lightning damage. Only having one of them proc adds 1k dps, and with both around 2k dps. Zaan easily doubles that.
I also don't think you'll benefit as much using mechanical acuity ad a primary set. On its own it isn't that great, it really needs to be supported by a damage set to shine. In your case I would say a generic set like julianos or a set like netch's touch would be better.
I was running Julianos/Necropotence with Grothdaar headpiece, and using either the Twilight Matriarch when in a group or the clannfear when solo. I think my damage output was around the same - I was using hardened ward, power surge, boundless storm - and I rarely died.
I thought I'd try the mechanical acuity/ilambris/willpower, but I'm not sure if I'm entirely sold on it (yet.)
When I ran a pet build on my sorc it was 5x necro, 2x maw, and 3rd ancient knowledge with both pets, liquid lightning, blockade, daedric prey, and hardened ward and that set up was easily doing 20-25k with infinite sustainPS4 / NA
M'asad - Khajiit Nightblade - Healer
Pakhet - Khajiit Dragonknight - Tank
Raksha - Khajiit Sorcerer - Stamina DPS
Bastet - Khajiit Templar - Healer
Leonin - Khajiit Warden - Tank1 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, that's way too low. I get 31k DPS self-buffed on my Altmer with Apprentice mundus and the following (all gold gear, all with gold max magicka enchants):
Head: Necropotence (Light, Divines)
Chest: Mechanical Acuity (Heavy, Divines)
Shoulders: Molag Kena (Heavy, Divines) -- I swap this out for Valkyn Skoria when I need more health, and I am still chasing down those elusive Light Molag Kena shoulders
Waist: Necro (Light, Divines)
Hands: MA (Light, Divines)
Legs: MA (Light, Divines)
Feet: MA (Light, Divines)
Neck: Necro (purple quality; gold spell damage enchant)
Ring: Necro (purple quality; gold spell damage enchant)
Ring: Necro (purple quality; gold spell damage enchant)
Weapon 1: MA Lightning Staff (gold quality, infused; gold fire damage enchant)
Weapon 2: MA Lightning Staff (gold quality, nirnhoned; gold shock damage enchant)
Bar 1: Daedric Prey | Mage's Wrath | Destructive Clench | Volatile Familiar | Inner Light || Greater Storm Atronach
Bar 2: Liquid Lightning | Blockade | Elemental Susceptibility (only for parse) | Volatile Familiar | Inner Light || Destro
Pre-Rotation: Elemental Susceptibility > SP potion > Destro ultimate
Rotation: LA > LL > LA > Blockade > LA > Familiar (bar-swap cancel) > LA > Daedric Prey > LA > Clench > HA (REPEAT)
Execute: LA > LL > LA > Blockade > LA > Familiar (bar-swap cancel) > LA > Daedric Prey > LA > Wrath > LA > Wrath > LA > Wrath > LA > Wrath (etc.)
Whenever Atronach ult is up, I use it at the end of my bar 1 rotation and swap cancel to my back bar. I also use SP potions whenever they're off cool-down.
I start the execute rotation at 20% and stop spamming LA > Wrath when dots expire. When dummy is at 10%, I don't even bother to re-apply dots if they run out. Just LA > Wrath spam. I could probably get even more damage if I traded out my lightning Mechanical Acuity backbar staff for a flame staff, but I find that my ping does not jive well with fire staff light attacks. Lightning LAs are more consistent for me, so I'm sticking with it for now.
I'm not in the game at the moment, so I wouldn't be able to tell you my CP allocation. Also, out of curiosity, why don't you use pets any more? I only use Bound Aegis when I'm fake-tanking normal DLC dungeons.Edited by Aurielle on March 28, 2018 12:31PM1 -
sf37✭Yes, that's way too low. I get 31k DPS self-buffed on my Altmer with Apprentice mundus and the following (all gold gear, all with gold max magicka enchants):
Head: Necropotence (Light, Divines)
Chest: Mechanical Acuity (Heavy, Divines)
Shoulders: Molag Kena (Heavy, Divines) -- I swap this out for Valkyn Skoria when I need more health, and I am still chasing down those elusive Light Molag Kena shoulders
Waist: Necro (Light, Divines)
Hands: MA (Light, Divines)
Legs: MA (Light, Divines)
Feet: MA (Light, Divines)
Neck: Necro (purple quality; gold spell damage enchant)
Ring: Necro (purple quality; gold spell damage enchant)
Ring: Necro (purple quality; gold spell damage enchant)
Weapon 1: MA Lightning Staff (gold quality, infused; gold fire damage enchant)
Weapon 2: MA Lightning Staff (gold quality, nirnhoned; gold shock damage enchant)
Bar 1: Daedric Prey | Mage's Wrath | Destructive Clench | Volatile Familiar | Inner Light || Greater Storm Atronach
Bar 2: Liquid Lightning | Blockade | Elemental Susceptibility (only for parse) | Volatile Familiar | Inner Light || Destro
Pre-Rotation: Elemental Susceptibility > SP potion > Destro ultimate
Rotation: LA > LL > LA > Blockade > LA > Familiar (bar-swap cancel) > LA > Daedric Prey > LA > Clench > HA (REPEAT)
Execute: LA > LL > LA > Blockade > LA > Familiar (bar-swap cancel) > LA > Daedric Prey > LA > Wrath > LA > Wrath > LA > Wrath > LA > Wrath (etc.)
Whenever Atronach ult is up, I use it at the end of my bar 1 rotation and swap cancel to my back bar. I also use SP potions whenever they're off cool-down.
I start the execute rotation at 20% and stop spamming LA > Wrath when dots expire. When dummy is at 10%, I don't even bother to re-apply dots if they run out. Just LA > Wrath spam. I could probably get even more damage if I traded out my lightning Mechanical Acuity backbar staff for a flame staff, but I find that my ping does not jive well with fire staff light attacks. Lightning LAs are more consistent for me, so I'm sticking with it for now.
I'm not in the game at the moment, so I wouldn't be able to tell you my CP allocation. Also, out of curiosity, why don't you use pets any more? I only use Bound Aegis when I'm fake-tanking normal DLC dungeons.
No particular reason why I don't use pets anymore, though I admit I did get frustrated often when using the matriarch because it seemed to always get in the way when trying to gather loot. The extra health and the heals were nice too. I'm not entirely opposed to going back to using pets.
Thank you for providing the details of your set up and rotation. I have all the gear (with the exception of the MA staves, but I can make those) to try it this way, so I think I'm going to try this set up as well. I even have the light Molag Kena shoulders that are eluding you. I haven't leveled up the Volatile Familiar tho (I used the clannfear,) but I'm sure I can do that in no time.
I see that you have all of your armor enchanted with max magicka. What does your health sit at, with food? I found I have to enchant my chest with a health glyph, and I run blue food (Witchmother's brings my health to just below 16k.)
One more thing: are you a vampire? I had my character turned, but I'm not crazy at all about being a vampire.
I also know that I definitely need to work on my animation cancelling.
I would love to be able to get my DPS up enough to do more veteran dungeons and trials. When I used my Necro/Julianos/Grothdaar set up, I did manage to get through a few veteran dungeons - got through veteran Crypt of Hearts once with a tank and another dps (that was dead most of the final boss,) and several more times with a regular 4 man group (once was in hard mode.) With my current set up (MA/Willpower/Ilambris,) I made it through nMoL twice, and died 3 or 4 times between both runs.
Thank you again for all the information!Edited by sf37 on March 28, 2018 1:32PM0
