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PvP PvE content
GeorgeBlack
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PvE hard content end game should award BiS PvP gear bound on pick up, skins, achievements, personalities etc (in addition to shop)
PvP should award a lot of Gold for individual/group effort. Simply gold.
That way people will have to buy Chapters and play PvE.
No more DLCs. Good old chapters/upgrades. This way it would provide Zos with income.
This way they can focus on working on technical stuff.
You gotta give smthg to get smthg. Plus the game would be more meaningful.
Discuss
PvP should award a lot of Gold for individual/group effort. Simply gold.
That way people will have to buy Chapters and play PvE.
No more DLCs. Good old chapters/upgrades. This way it would provide Zos with income.
This way they can focus on working on technical stuff.
You gotta give smthg to get smthg. Plus the game would be more meaningful.
Discuss
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm not sure where you got the idea that PVPers don't have to play PVE content to get BIS PVP gear, personalities, achievements, and skins.
PVPers basically have the Golden Vendor aka RNG undaunted helms and shoulder, good drop rate for transmutation crystals, and assorted PVP gear they can buy for AP most of which isn't remotely BIS for anything (just like most PVE gear is borderline useless too). Most PVPers, unless they only run Cyrodiil/IC sets or are very patient with the Golden Vendor, have to PVE for gear, skills, and passives.
The only people who aren't paying for the DLC with crowns (bought with real money) are paying monthly for the DLC with their subscriptions. Honestly, if ZOS would focus more on the technical stuff, I'd be a lot more willing to support them with a subscription.
As it is, I already do what you suggest, buying the DLC and chapters plus buying crowns only when on sale. But personally? ZOS has had significant technical issues over the past year and if they can't fix the server stability in PVP, can't fix known bugs in the groupfinder even after a major dungeon event, and can't roll out DLC releases smoothly in a year, I'm not sure that throwing more money at the company is going to solve those issues.2 -
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✭PvE hard content end game should award BiS PvP gear bound on pick up, skins, achievements, personalities etc (in addition to shop)
It already does...Xbox one EU
8 Flawless conquerors on all class specs (4 stam, 4 magicka)
Doesn't stand in red0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »I want a PvP skin
A skin for Midyear Mayhem where my hands and weapons are dripping with the blood of my slain enemies would be cool.
I suppose that Imperial City does have a skin, the one awarded as a rare drop from the Molag Bal sewer event. I forgot about that one - even though that is partially PVE.0 -
GeorgeBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »PvE hard content end game should award BiS PvP gear bound on pick up, skins, achievements, personalities etc (in addition to shop)
It already does...
Overland can replace trial gear0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭GeorgeBlack wrote: »Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »PvE hard content end game should award BiS PvP gear bound on pick up, skins, achievements, personalities etc (in addition to shop)
It already does...
Overland can replace trial gear
So, do you want to force PVP players into trials because you don't think they should get good gear from overland and dungeons?
That seems like an odd way to make people play PVE, which they currently already do to get overland gear, dungeon gear, and trials gear/weapons. Furthermore, ZOS generally prefers players to have more options for BIS gear instead of fewer.0 -
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✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »GeorgeBlack wrote: »Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »PvE hard content end game should award BiS PvP gear bound on pick up, skins, achievements, personalities etc (in addition to shop)
It already does...
Overland can replace trial gear
So, do you want to force PVP players into trials because you don't think they should get good gear from overland and dungeons?
That seems like an odd way to make people play PVE, which they currently already do to get overland gear, dungeon gear, and trials gear/weapons. Furthermore, ZOS generally prefers players to have more options for BIS gear instead of fewer.
Ye. Getting BiS from this ridiculously easy overland content is a joke. Whats the point of me bothering with trials? Just for the skin?
Skin should be "looted" from the easy overland content0 -
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✭✭Forcing PvPrs....
Whoever identifies as PvPrs or PvEr should not expect to be taken seriously.
The game is a whole world.0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭GeorgeBlack wrote: »Forcing PvPrs....
Whoever identifies as PvPrs or PvEr should not expect to be taken seriously.
The game is a whole world.
If the game is the whole world as you say, why should I have to only get my BIS PVP from PVE trials instead of being able to make PVP builds from gear found in many places in the game? I don't think that makes sense, given ZOS' design philosophy of not wanting to pigeonhole players into a limited number of BIS sets.
It sounds to me like you want trials gear to matter more. Its a fine thing to argue that trials gear should be buffed to BIS so that more people are encouraged to run hard end-game PVE content and get rewards commensurate with the effort.
Where I disagree is that I think its in keeping with ZOS' vision to have a variety of sets from different sources that can be combined,to form many different viable, if not necessarily BIS, builds. Having PVP players use overland, crafted, dungeon, and trial gear sets to create PVP suitable builds is in keeping with that vision. When anything sticks out too much as BIS, ZOS tends to nerf it like hammering down a nail that sticks out too much, rather than buffing other sets to match. So your suggestion of making trials sets BIS for PVP might work in the short term, but history shows ZOS would take the nerfhammer to it soon enough once they weren't trying to sell the new content it came with.0 -
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✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »GeorgeBlack wrote: »Forcing PvPrs....
Whoever identifies as PvPrs or PvEr should not expect to be taken seriously.
The game is a whole world.
If the game is the whole world as you say, why should I have to only get my BIS PVP from PVE trials instead of being able to make PVP builds from gear found in many places in the game? I don't think that makes sense, given ZOS' design philosophy of not wanting to pigeonhole players into a limited number of BIS sets.
It sounds to me like you want trials gear to matter more. Its a fine thing to argue that trials gear should be buffed to BIS so that more people are encouraged to run hard end-game PVE content and get rewards commensurate with the effort.
Where I disagree is that I think its in keeping with ZOS' vision to have a variety of sets from different sources that can be combined,to form many different viable, if not necessarily BIS, builds. Having PVP players use overland, crafted, dungeon, and trial gear sets to create PVP suitable builds is in keeping with that vision. When anything sticks out too much as BIS, ZOS tends to nerf it like hammering down a nail that sticks out too much, rather than buffing other sets to match. So your suggestion of making trials sets BIS for PVP might work in the short term, but history shows ZOS would take the nerfhammer to it soon enough once they weren't trying to sell the new content it came with.
So essentially we dont disagree.
I am suggesting that Trials should matter more.
Be locked behind chapters.
No more Dlc.
Less effort in designing 2 dungeons every 3 months.
More effort in fixing game, add meaningful progression, attempt at balance.
How?
Meaningful Trials. A slice of ez themepark map addition. 1 skill line a year. Increase in $cost per 8 month chapter.
Border line bring back subscription.
But I want end game PvP (gold) PvE (set farming) to matter0 -
DHale✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yeah my agility is way better than my VO said no one ever that ever played the game.Sorcerna, proud beta sorc. RIP April 2014 to May 31 2016 DArk Brotherhood. Out of retirement for negates and encases. Sorcerna will be going back into retirement to be my main crafter Fall 2018. Because an 8 k shield is f ing useless. Died because of baddies on the forum. Too much qq too little pew pew. 16 AD 2 DC. 0 EP cause they bad, CP 2300 plus 18 level 50 toons. NA, PC, Grey Host#SORCLIVESMATTER actually they don’t or they wouldn’t keep getting nerfed constantly.0 -
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✭✭Maybe I wont go with this one....
Edited by twev on March 30, 2018 12:39AMThe problem with society these days is that no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.1 -
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✭George, what the heck are you going on about? I want way more than gold for PvPing. And I don't want to be forced into group content when I don't have people I know to go do that stuff with. I'm gonna need medication to play your way....PC-NA - formerly, mommadani907Guild: Weeping Angels - Co-GMTwitter: @ Loralai_907 several Alt accounts....CP 1700+Active characters:Fauna Rosewood ( Bosmer Stam DK - Master Crafter/AD)///Loralai Darknova (Drunken Zombie Bosmer Stam Sorc - PvP/AD)Lilith Darknova ( Dunmer Mag DK - Master Crafter - PvP/AD)///and roughly 1billion alts0 -
Skander✭✭✭✭✭
✭Let's start giving pvpers some gold instead of 3k partecipation gift after a 30 days campaign.I meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
-Elder Nightblades Online
Want competitive pvp while being outnumbered? Tough luck, the devs clearly said you have to die in those situations0
