Why do people like Eclipse? It's like, "here have some free CC at your discretion" the only time I think it's effective is against someone using soul assault while they have activated it.

When it's used against me, I don't even have to prioritize it as I can cast Shields or AoEs without any effect, then CC break it.

Waffennacht wrote: »

Why do people like Eclipse? It's like, "here have some free CC at your discretion" the only time I think it's effective is against someone using soul assault while they have activated it.

When it's used against me, I don't even have to prioritize it as I can cast Shields or AoEs without any effect, then CC break it.

Because it helps players kill themselves often. It does damage and heals you, plus it's an easy stamina drain for you every time their immunity expires. This forces players with bad stamina management to go back to a wayshrine, and good ones can be stopped in their tracks when you eclipse them during their combos.

I can tell you eclipse saved me so many times in between dawnbreakers, other templars jabbing etc. It's all about knowing when to use it, or whether to just spam it on a cooldown.

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Why do people like Eclipse? It's like, "here have some free CC at your discretion" the only time I think it's effective is against someone using soul assault while they have activated it.

When it's used against me, I don't even have to prioritize it as I can cast Shields or AoEs without any effect, then CC break it.

Because it helps players kill themselves often. It does damage and heals you, plus it's an easy stamina drain for you every time their immunity expires. This forces players with bad stamina management to go back to a wayshrine, and good ones can be stopped in their tracks when you eclipse them during their combos.

I can tell you eclipse saved me so many times in between dawnbreakers, other templars jabbing etc. It's all about knowing when to use it, or whether to just spam it on a cooldown.

Idk, if i am on the offensive with full or near full health, eclipse doesn't stop me 1 bit from putting someone down with a couple hits.

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Why do people like Eclipse? It's like, "here have some free CC at your discretion" the only time I think it's effective is against someone using soul assault while they have activated it.

When it's used against me, I don't even have to prioritize it as I can cast Shields or AoEs without any effect, then CC break it.

Because it helps players kill themselves often. It does damage and heals you, plus it's an easy stamina drain for you every time their immunity expires. This forces players with bad stamina management to go back to a wayshrine, and good ones can be stopped in their tracks when you eclipse them during their combos.

I can tell you eclipse saved me so many times in between dawnbreakers, other templars jabbing etc. It's all about knowing when to use it, or whether to just spam it on a cooldown.

Thing is it shouldn't affect jabs (the weave would) and every benefit of using it on someone that breaks it, a normal hard CC also has.

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Why do people like Eclipse? It's like, "here have some free CC at your discretion" the only time I think it's effective is against someone using soul assault while they have activated it.

When it's used against me, I don't even have to prioritize it as I can cast Shields or AoEs without any effect, then CC break it.

Eclipsing a soul assault didn't work for me, i tested it with a buddy.

That's odd, because when it dropped I killed myself using Soul Assault while having eclipse on me, my recap had it and all the massive damage.

I wouldn't be surprised if ZoS accidentally broke it

Waffennacht wrote: »

Why do people like Eclipse? It's like, "here have some free CC at your discretion" the only time I think it's effective is against someone using soul assault while they have activated it.

When it's used against me, I don't even have to prioritize it as I can cast Shields or AoEs without any effect, then CC break it.

Eclipse isn't supposed to be a skill you cast all the time, it's pretty situational. Example: You can cast eclipse on somebody just after they shoot something at you, and it will still reflect that projectile mid flight. Eclipse is pretty strong now, but only if you can use it at the right time.

Eclipse effectiveness is almost entirely dependent on your opponent, which I think detracts from the potential of what might be a really good skill. I hate designs like this because in the end it means my opponent is in more control and my abilities are less effective against precisely the ones I need the most: good players.

However late the visual may appear, however much the server may be lagging, however focused I may be on an offensive combo I am using, a Templar who eclipses me is typically at most getting one tick's benefit. The only way they are getting more is if I purposely ignore the bubble because I have a lot of health and my target does not, which is another weakness of the ability: it does not stun, does not impede movement, does not take deprive the ability of an enemy to control their character, in short, it can not save a templar the way a true CC can.

I use this ability for presumably the same reason other templars use it, it can be really good. That, however, is a very different thing from saying the ability is really good.

But as to the original topic, yes, a templar can be a potent combatant in a 1v1. You are not stuck on healer duty. It's just that templar mechanics are tricky and can be hard to synergize, so it takes some practice.

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Bbsample197 wrote: »

i can survive the battle but thats all i can do

But that's the problem isn't it?

I would have no problem at all with templars having more kill potential in 1v1 fights, if that came at the cost of survivability. Templars are really almost impossible to kill 1v1 if they know what they're doing and are reasonably tanky. The have the strongest heal in game and it costs basically nothing to spam it...

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Checkmath wrote: »

@Waffennacht probably you got the eclypse right before you startet the soul assault cast. But since you are immune to stuns during soul assaul, you cant apply it on somebody casting soul assault.
@LegendaryMage i never meant to combine julianos with warmaiden, but i think both sets are better than rattlecage.
@Minno eclypse now procs on any initial hit as much as i know, doesnt matter of dot or not. Somehow it ticks also every second, when you cast soul assault, despite it being a dot too.

Now why eclypse isnt bad: you can shut down a lot of players, since many dont even know its breakable. So the go blockhealing and dont attack you anymore. Second point is: after casting the skill, there is some time gap till the bubble around the enemy is visual. So it doesnt matter on who you cast it, since you will always get one healing and you always damage your enemy once before he breaks it. Just because the visuals are late and you realize it faster when affected by the sound. Also a reason for this: eclypse doesnt reset the global cooldown like other cc‘s, thats why an enemies flow isnt interrupted and he most likely keeps attacking till he realizes being affected by eclypse.

Thanks! Didn't know the full channel procs soul Assault. I think that's a bug though, zos always intended eclipse to only proc off direct attacks that are instant cast while dots only cause the first tick to proc eclipse.

Either way the ability worked much better when you could choose between the bubble heal or AOE DMG.