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Why is it OK to put major balance related features behind a paywall?
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NecroEnzo✭✭✭If you don't want to pay for the game, don't play the game.
It's really as simple as that. The days when developers could afford to produce a game and add regular content to it for no more than the odd potion purchase in the cash shop are long gone. Sadly, the days when players didn't feel they had an entitlement to everything for nothing are seemingly also long gone.
Now, if a new class or skill line was truly P2W (as some claimed of the warden before they'd even seen the class, not that they apologised to ZOS or withdrew their claim once they saw how average it was), and it was only available in the crown store or as a rare drop in the crown crates then you'd have a point. As it is, you haven't.
At this stage you have absolutely no idea whether or not the new skill line is a "balance related feature", and since when was a charge for an expansion/chapter/DLC (call it what you will) a "paywall"? Why should those who don't want to pay for Summerset get all the same additional content as those who do pay for it? Did you consider Morrowind P2W behind a paywall because you wouldn't get the extra skill points from skyshards if you didn't buy it?
As for your argument that charging for additional content stops the game being "play your way", that's just laughable. On the back of the original ESO box "Play the way you like" was stated to be about adventuring alone or together with friends. On the back of the Tamriel Unlimited box it had changed to "Battle, craft, fish, steal, siege or explore". Nowhere has it ever been stated as "Play all the content the game has to offer and choose whether or not to pay for it".
Ayyy...
Another one who didn't read my post. Not even the edit tbh. I don't think its P2W. Nothing makes it win. Most commenters are shoving fingers in their ears and like you missing the point.
It feels tacky. That is all. Its saying "buy, or get left out, even out of the bounds of the new DLC."
"Everything for nothing." This shows how little you read. Leaving balance out of it is very different to "gib me everything." Cosmetics, zones, stories, new features like BGs, TG heists, blade of woe etc are all fine.
Please point to where I suggested you said that it was P2W. I said that if it was truly P2W (as compared to the warden which was claimed in advance to be P2W although it turned out not to be truly P2W at all), then you'd be entitled to complain if it was behind a paywall, but as you can't even say that it's a balance related feature let alone that it's behind a paywall (because it's paid-for additional content, not something restricted to the crown store or crown crates) then you don't have a point at all. Reading people's posts works both ways.
derp stam warden was imba'd.
As for if you don't like the development team's practice don't play at all? Good advice, been following it.0 -
NecroEnzo✭✭✭
Try WOW, you can not touch any part of endgame without the last expansion and you have to pay an sub just to play causal.OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »This is a p2w cry post though lol
Did you read it tho. I don't think the stuff = win. I think the stuff = hypermonetization which ruins the image and screws over lowbies who get involved and see the barrage of stuff to buy.
Its not a F2P freemium game, and shouldn't be treated as such. An example would be Clash Royal the mobile game. The things you buy can be replaced and are balanced so they don't really make you win. F2P can be just as good as a paying player. But has the tacky buy2progress feeling.
You can not access the current dungeons and raids in wow without last expansion, and even if you did you would do an faction if their damage.
Who pays for a sub, or anything in WoW for that matter, other than losers? Make gold, buy tokens, buy Destiny 2, have the right to say Destiny 2 was Destiny 1.2, and FFS buy starcraft remastered - you get what you pay for, and it's a good game.
Few of those left these days, you can call it business if you want, but if business is to put out trash and try to reap a profit off it, it's bad business vs making a hit.0 -
OGLezard✭✭✭✭✭
✭KingYogi415 wrote: »If 30$ is a problem for you, playing a MMO should be the least of your worries!
So much this! People complain about spending money but if they were to actually break down their spending habits and see how much money they throw at junk, they would probably change their attitude towards "er mah gerd, me money no spendy, too cost much fml!"
Same thing when people were complaining about 15 a month for eso. You spend more than that a month on crap you don't need......Just saying
On topic: I don't care what zos puts in the stuff they work on. Either i like it and buy it (chapter/dlc) or I ignore it and don't. Thankfully I have been a eso+ member since launch and just purchase the dlc with the crowns I get since I don't care about cosmetics.
*drinks invis potion and walks away*
Edited by OGLezard on March 26, 2018 12:50AM0 -
myskyrim26✭✭✭✭✭
✭Online games are different from offline, you know. They all ARE pay to win, and they all DO have a paywall. Just as our real life has a lot of paywalls.
I want to eat some sushi now.
Ther're behind a paywall for me!!11 I
Cant' afford sushi, I just don't have enough money, where should I post my wraithful comment?!Edited by myskyrim26 on March 26, 2018 12:55AM0 -
Grimm13✭✭✭✭✭
✭If I told you I'd prefer the sub model because then everyone would be on an even turf would you still call me entitled. Or are you just asspulling? None of this matters to me. I'll buy the expacs anyway.
If none of this matters to you, then why do you feel the need to contradict with your same point so frequently?
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Drachenfier✭✭✭✭✭
✭Dante_Zetsumei wrote: »So in short, you want them to deliver all new features for free. That's not how a business works, and that's not how MMOs work. If you want to participate in the progression you have to buy the expansions to that game. That's how it works with every game, and ESO isn't any different, despite what you might think. New classes, gear, content, skills, etc., all of this is only available to pay customers, and demanding to get it for free is naive to say the least, but also just shows a lack of understanding behind how business operate.
What I don't get is that you say you already bought the update on pre-order, so you want them to change something, but don't back up your own opinion. Seems a bit weird.
If this had been a thread about ZOS' failure to deliver on promises, and keeping their game running smoothly I would have been behind it, but what you are asking for simply won't happen. And I think it's extremely foolish to be outraged about what is considered standard practice amongst MMO developers. And no, ESO isn't any different, all their content updates are only available if you pay for them. If you are an ESO+ member you are still paying for them.
You say thats not how mmos work but like i said in another thread tera is a f2p mmo where all content is free so not all mmos work like eso
You also get what you pay for. Tera is a *** tier game. Complete crap.2