TheShadowScout wrote: »

Slick_007 wrote: »

this toon didnt do it? its not done

^This!^

And I am saying that as someone with fifteen characters who would benefit -greatly- from account wide stuff!

If you care enough about some achievement for an alt, spend the effort.
If you don't care enough to spend the effort, have some characters do without.

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...that being said, the one thing we -could- use is an account overview page from the character seepction screen, to see our account achievment total, and which character has done what when. Dye unlocks could be moved to there, and they could even add some new unlocks for multiple achievement completions... like, get "master angler" on characters from three different alliances, get a "fisherman" costume, do mainstory with every race, get a special "companion weapons" crafting style unlock, complete all stories with every class, get a special "hero of tamriel" costume, etc.

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Is it that time of the month again?
...the time where some of the "gimme crowd" ask for everything account wide once more?

No thanks!

And I say that as someone who would benefit -greatly- from more account wide stuff.

But then, I like to see my achievements as a wqay to keep track of whatever this or that character has done or yet has to do, see what skyshards I missed on this character, see what crafting stuff that character yet has to learn, see which location I passsed by with this character, see what dungeon I forgot to clear with that character...
...so account-wide achievements would be a huge pain in the a... hem! ...behind for me.

ESO already has more account wide stuff with the champion sysetem then any other MMO I ever played, so I feel it quite greedy for people to ask for yet more just because they don't have the time or inclination to put in the effort to earn it on multiple characters!

If its important enough for you, spend the time on your alts!
If its not important enough for you, have your alts do without!

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...that being said, what we -could- use was an account overview page, opened from the character selection screen, that shows which character achievend what and when... and maybe some extra rewards for multiple archievements. Like, play through the mainstory with every class, or reach some alliance rank with every alliance, or reach leven 50 with every race or whatever... and handing out new goodies for such, like new pets or tatoos, or costumes or mementos...

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Oh, hey, look, a dead horse... let's beat it for a bit, shall we?
...that at least is what I imagine people who make yet another "gimme" post about achievements think like... especially when it pops up a mere day after the last topic!

Once again - achievements are completely optional.
Its your own choice if you -want- to spend the effort chasing them, or not.
Both on your main, and on your alts.

But the only thing that really matters from them is the dye unlocks, and those are already account wide. So you really don't need to pay attention to your achievements on your alts - except if you like to check on what you have done or not yet done on those characters.
Which is the main use I have for the achievment journal - see what skyshards I missed, or which craftings tyles this or that character still has to learn, etc.

Yeah, most will feel disinclined to go through the effort more then once.
So?
If it is important enough to them, they will make the effort.
If the effort seems too much for them, they will have to do without.

For now anyhow, though there is always those times when you might sit and look at ESO, thinking "...I feel bored..." and then you could go achievement hunting on your alts to have a purpose to your gaming, something to strive for...
...instead of whining about wanting everything account wide, and then leaving ESO for the next game after a single playthrough. Which we know is what would happen in all too many cases.

ESO already has way more account wide stuff then any other MMO I ever played, with shared bank, mail, guilds, dyes and the whole friggin champion system!
And I really cannot help but consider it as somewhat reeking of an entitlement-addled brain to ask for yet more...
Especially since newbies fresh out of coldharbour with high-end titles would seem pretty silly, and a slap in the face to those who are still working on getting there...

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Avrael wrote: »

I wanted to revive this topic, because...

...you are one of the "gimme crowd", we get it!

Avrael wrote: »

I would love if some, not all, achivements are shared across your account.

I would really, really -hate- for the achievements to become account wide.

I mean, I use them to keep track of my characters -achievements-!
To see which skyshard I missed on this or that character, or which landmark I forgot... to see who learned which style and what each of my characters has already done, and still has to do...

And it would be really silly if a newbie character would have all the crafting achievements or shyshard achievements already done... not to mention those "Stormproof" titles fresh out of coldharbour...

Yeees, some of the achievements are a bit of a chore to chase.
So?
If its important enough to you, woul will spend the effort.
If its not important enough, you will do without.

Rinse and repeat for every individual character.

Avrael wrote: »

Noone wants to do this on multible chars, if at all.

The point here is - noone has to!
The only thing that has any effect from achievements are the dye unlocks, and those are already account wide!
The rest is nothing but a measure of which things your character has done, and which they have yet to do. There is a total score, yes, but it doesn't really matter.

Again, if its important enough for you to have something on an alt (or your main for that matter), you will spend the extra effort. Some people have, others care little what their alts do as long as they have the achievement on their main, and others still don't pay attention to achievement hunting at all.
Each make their choices.

Avrael wrote: »

And i know a lot of people think that makes no sense, because you didnt achive those on that character then. Well, but YOU achived them. And i think YOU as the player are a bit more important then your characters...

...and if that title floated over YOUR head I might see that point, but as long as the title floats over your CHARACTERS head...
All these achievements are in the game. Nowhere else. You know, the game where you interact Through Your Character??
YOU the player did not learn how to be a master blacksmith. Your character did in the game.
YOU the player did not become a mass murderer. Your character did in the game.
YOU the player did not gain the magic power of aetherius through interaction with shyshards. Your character did in the game.
YOU the player did not hang monster trophies on your wall. Your character did in the game.
YOU the player did not become a level 50 templar. Your character did in the game.
Get it yet?

I mean, what's next, demanding all alts you make start with all the quests done "because you already did it on your main" and all the skills maxed "because you already did it on your main" and at level 50 right away as well "because you already did it on your main" and have the horse maxed too "because you already did it on your main", and get all the crafting researched "because you already did it on your main", and... and... and...

That IS the logical conclusion of your argument, right?
And where would that leave ESO? Huh?
With half the population leaving after one playthrough I reckon...
Not a good business model for ZOS, now is it?

Avrael wrote: »

So please, dont come with that argument.

(also, don't tell me what argument not to use, or I'll have to tell you what threads not to start )

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That all being said, what the achievement front -could- use was an account overview page.

Like, opened from the character selection screen, and goes to a special achievement list that shows which achievement was completed by which of your characters, and when... possibly even with rewards for multiple completions, like "finish all the basic story content with every class, get new costume" or "gain alliance rank with character in each alliance , get new mount" or "do mainstory with each race, get new pet"...

TheShadowScout wrote: »

This again?

It would be troublesome in many ways to have account-wide achievements. I mean, even personal preference aside, how would we check which character had collected what skyshards, explored which location, learned what motiv, et cetera; if evrerything was account wide?

Dyes are already account wide anyhow.

Titles should never be account wide, since quite a few of them are very much character-dependent (and really, would it make sense for a new alt right out of coldharbour to flaunt endgame achievement titles?)

As for those who just want to try an alt... what does it matter? They do not -need- to chase any of the achievements after all... if the main has unlocked a dye, everyone can use it, if they want a special title for fluff reasons, they just need to chase that one achivement, and everything else is completely optional anyhow.

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That having been said...
What -would- be neat to have was an "account overview page" on the character seelction screen that shows us which of our characters had done what achievement and when. And possibly unlock more rewards through multiple completions... like "do the mainstory with each class" or "reach that alliance war rank for each faction" or "take a character of every race to level 50"...

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Is it this time of the month again when all the crazies crawl out the asylum door and start haunting the forums with "gimme" threads?

No, I do NOT want any of that.
ESO -already- has more account wide stuff than ANY other MMORPG I played, and it makes completely no sense to give people even less to play for.
As I have been saying in all the prior dozends of threads about the same or similar topics.

And I say this as someone who has -Fourteen- characters, and would benefit -greatly- from such an feature. But I prefer to play my characters as -individuals-, and have fun hunting down skyshards or lorebooks.

If someone feels they cannot be ars... uhm...bothered to get something on their alt - well, then their alt will just have to do without. If they don't want to do without, then they will just have to play for it. Just like for those levels. That's the very idea behing an game with character progression!

And yeah, it can be annoying to do your daily riding training for half a year. Don't like it? Go buy those crown store riding lessions!
Want something similar for skyshards or lorebooks? Who knows, they might consider it when they think people would actually pay for such, and add lorebook collections and skyshard imbuement scrolls to the crown store at some point.

But don't foolishly expect them to give you for free what they sold to others in the past just because you feel the time spent on it would be "ridicolous".