Make Achievements Account Wide?

Kumbiya

I think it would be a good idea to make achievements account wide - so if you earn a difficult achievement on one character, you have it for your entire account. It could be two-tiered, by having an account wide achievement score and a character achievement score, so that you still get achievements for a character if they don't have it even if you may have already earned it on another character. This would also serve to make sure that things such as titles stay locked behind the relevant achievement for each character until they do the achievement. Under each achievement you could have a part that says "Achieved by: Character Name, Character Name, etc..".

Thoughts on this?

AzraelKrieg

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4971383#Comment_4971383
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4970575#Comment_4970575

REGINALD! THE STICK! I STILL SEE LIFE IN IT!

VaranisArano

I think I said everything I wanted to say on the other threads AzraelKrieg linked only just 2 or 3 days ago...I usually like to let topics rest for at least a week, preferably a month before I start repeating myself.

Morgul667

I agree but it Feels like there are one of those thread every day

Tandor

No, for the reasons already given in previous threads.

Turelus

This is a discussion which comes up often.

Personally I am for it, sharing titles as well would be fine in my mind.
I know we get the arguments of "I don't want to see a level 10 grand overlord" but personally if that player has achieved the rank shouldn't they be allowed to display that with all their characters. At least then when they're in lowbie PvP wrecking people with knowledge and crafted sets people would understand it's an alt.

SWTOR has account wide achievements and is one of the few games where I can play alts and feel like I am still making gains towards my account. ESO CP system has that feeling but the achievement system doesn't.

Here's my pros for the system.

• Makes the game more alt friendly.
• Let's completionists also roleplay character moralities.
• Opens up new class based achievements.
• Non-title based rewards are shared any way.
• Most other systems (CP, gear are not character based).

Cons

• Less milestone achievements for individual characters.
• Would require changing titles system.

KiraTsukasa

Even if I had said yes to this before, I'd be saying no now just out of spite for spamming this topic.

Tandor

Turelus wrote: »

This is a discussion which comes up often.

Personally I am for it, sharing titles as well would be fine in my mind.
I know we get the arguments of "I don't want to see a level 10 grand overlord" but personally if that player has achieved the rank shouldn't they be allowed to display that with all their characters. At least then when they're in lowbie PvP wrecking people with knowledge and crafted sets people would understand it's an alt.

SWTOR has account wide achievements and is one of the few games where I can play alts and feel like I am still making gains towards my account. ESO CP system has that feeling but the achievement system doesn't.

Here's my pros for the system.

• Makes the game more alt friendly.
• Let's completionists also roleplay character moralities.
• Opens up new class based achievements.
• Non-title based rewards are shared any way.
• Most other systems (CP, gear are not character based).

Cons

• Less milestone achievements for individual characters.
• Would require changing titles system.

The problem is that it only makes the game more alt friendly for those who don't want to play the game fully with their alts. For those that do, it makes the game distinctly alt unfriendly.

My own idea of an alt friendly game is one that allows me to level up all my characters individually in whatever way is appropriate for them, so that they aren't all stuck with the same achievements etc just because one character has earned them.

I can appreciate that different people play the game in different ways, hence the need to compromise on something like this. By having a mix of account-wide features like champion points, bank slots, guild membership, dye unlocks, and collections etc coupled with a variety of character-specific discovery unlocks, titles and achievements etc I think ZOS have struck a pretty reasonable balance between the different approaches people have to the game. I wouldn't want to see it change in either direction, but if it were to be changed then a perfectly good case can be made either way. However, I'm happy to leave things as they are!

jedtb16_ESO

no.

just no...

Apache_Kid

Make PvP rank/achievements account wide per alliance and I'd be happy.

Beardimus

Naw, no need. The toon does the work not account.

Violynne

Kumbiya wrote: »

Thoughts on this?

Sorry, but I cannot back this request.

The character gets the achievement, not the creator of the character.

This is why each has their own journal, which is where the achievements are kept.

TheShadowScout

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4971383#Comment_4971383
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4970575#Comment_4970575

REGINALD! THE STICK! I STILL SEE LIFE IN IT!

Good idea!
Let's just link to it, since we already said all before, time and time again...

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4970977#Comment_4970977

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Slick_007 wrote: »

this toon didnt do it? its not done

^This!^

And I am saying that as someone with fifteen characters who would benefit -greatly- from account wide stuff!

If you care enough about some achievement for an alt, spend the effort.
If you don't care enough to spend the effort, have some characters do without.

...

...that being said, the one thing we -could- use is an account overview page from the character seepction screen, to see our account achievment total, and which character has done what when. Dye unlocks could be moved to there, and they could even add some new unlocks for multiple achievement completions... like, get "master angler" on characters from three different alliances, get a "fisherman" costume, do mainstory with every race, get a special "companion weapons" crafting style unlock, complete all stories with every class, get a special "hero of tamriel" costume, etc.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4968234#Comment_4968234

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Is it that time of the month again?
...the time where some of the "gimme crowd" ask for everything account wide once more?

No thanks!

And I say that as someone who would benefit -greatly- from more account wide stuff.

But then, I like to see my achievements as a wqay to keep track of whatever this or that character has done or yet has to do, see what skyshards I missed on this character, see what crafting stuff that character yet has to learn, see which location I passsed by with this character, see what dungeon I forgot to clear with that character...
...so account-wide achievements would be a huge pain in the a... hem! ...behind for me.

ESO already has more account wide stuff with the champion sysetem then any other MMO I ever played, so I feel it quite greedy for people to ask for yet more just because they don't have the time or inclination to put in the effort to earn it on multiple characters!

If its important enough for you, spend the time on your alts!
If its not important enough for you, have your alts do without!

...

...that being said, what we -could- use was an account overview page, opened from the character selection screen, that shows which character achievend what and when... and maybe some extra rewards for multiple archievements. Like, play through the mainstory with every class, or reach some alliance rank with every alliance, or reach leven 50 with every race or whatever... and handing out new goodies for such, like new pets or tatoos, or costumes or mementos...

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4897267#Comment_4897267

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Oh, hey, look, a dead horse... let's beat it for a bit, shall we?
...that at least is what I imagine people who make yet another "gimme" post about achievements think like... especially when it pops up a mere day after the last topic!

Once again - achievements are completely optional.
Its your own choice if you -want- to spend the effort chasing them, or not.
Both on your main, and on your alts.

But the only thing that really matters from them is the dye unlocks, and those are already account wide. So you really don't need to pay attention to your achievements on your alts - except if you like to check on what you have done or not yet done on those characters.
Which is the main use I have for the achievment journal - see what skyshards I missed, or which craftings tyles this or that character still has to learn, etc.

Yeah, most will feel disinclined to go through the effort more then once.
So?
If it is important enough to them, they will make the effort.
If the effort seems too much for them, they will have to do without.

For now anyhow, though there is always those times when you might sit and look at ESO, thinking "...I feel bored..." and then you could go achievement hunting on your alts to have a purpose to your gaming, something to strive for...
...instead of whining about wanting everything account wide, and then leaving ESO for the next game after a single playthrough. Which we know is what would happen in all too many cases.

ESO already has way more account wide stuff then any other MMO I ever played, with shared bank, mail, guilds, dyes and the whole friggin champion system!
And I really cannot help but consider it as somewhat reeking of an entitlement-addled brain to ask for yet more...
Especially since newbies fresh out of coldharbour with high-end titles would seem pretty silly, and a slap in the face to those who are still working on getting there...

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4896196#Comment_4896196

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Avrael wrote: »

I wanted to revive this topic, because...

...you are one of the "gimme crowd", we get it!

Avrael wrote: »

I would love if some, not all, achivements are shared across your account.

I would really, really -hate- for the achievements to become account wide.

I mean, I use them to keep track of my characters -achievements-!
To see which skyshard I missed on this or that character, or which landmark I forgot... to see who learned which style and what each of my characters has already done, and still has to do...

And it would be really silly if a newbie character would have all the crafting achievements or shyshard achievements already done... not to mention those "Stormproof" titles fresh out of coldharbour...

Yeees, some of the achievements are a bit of a chore to chase.
So?
If its important enough to you, woul will spend the effort.
If its not important enough, you will do without.

Rinse and repeat for every individual character.

Avrael wrote: »

Noone wants to do this on multible chars, if at all.

The point here is - noone has to!
The only thing that has any effect from achievements are the dye unlocks, and those are already account wide!
The rest is nothing but a measure of which things your character has done, and which they have yet to do. There is a total score, yes, but it doesn't really matter.

Again, if its important enough for you to have something on an alt (or your main for that matter), you will spend the extra effort. Some people have, others care little what their alts do as long as they have the achievement on their main, and others still don't pay attention to achievement hunting at all.
Each make their choices.

Avrael wrote: »

And i know a lot of people think that makes no sense, because you didnt achive those on that character then. Well, but YOU achived them. And i think YOU as the player are a bit more important then your characters...

...and if that title floated over YOUR head I might see that point, but as long as the title floats over your CHARACTERS head...
All these achievements are in the game. Nowhere else. You know, the game where you interact Through Your Character??
YOU the player did not learn how to be a master blacksmith. Your character did in the game.
YOU the player did not become a mass murderer. Your character did in the game.
YOU the player did not gain the magic power of aetherius through interaction with shyshards. Your character did in the game.
YOU the player did not hang monster trophies on your wall. Your character did in the game.
YOU the player did not become a level 50 templar. Your character did in the game.
Get it yet?

I mean, what's next, demanding all alts you make start with all the quests done "because you already did it on your main" and all the skills maxed "because you already did it on your main" and at level 50 right away as well "because you already did it on your main" and have the horse maxed too "because you already did it on your main", and get all the crafting researched "because you already did it on your main", and... and... and...

That IS the logical conclusion of your argument, right?
And where would that leave ESO? Huh?
With half the population leaving after one playthrough I reckon...
Not a good business model for ZOS, now is it?

Avrael wrote: »

So please, dont come with that argument.

(also, don't tell me what argument not to use, or I'll have to tell you what threads not to start )

...


That all being said, what the achievement front -could- use was an account overview page.

Like, opened from the character selection screen, and goes to a special achievement list that shows which achievement was completed by which of your characters, and when... possibly even with rewards for multiple completions, like "finish all the basic story content with every class, get new costume" or "gain alliance rank with character in each alliance , get new mount" or "do mainstory with each race, get new pet"...

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4733465#Comment_4733465

TheShadowScout wrote: »

This again?

It would be troublesome in many ways to have account-wide achievements. I mean, even personal preference aside, how would we check which character had collected what skyshards, explored which location, learned what motiv, et cetera; if evrerything was account wide?

Dyes are already account wide anyhow.

Titles should never be account wide, since quite a few of them are very much character-dependent (and really, would it make sense for a new alt right out of coldharbour to flaunt endgame achievement titles?)

As for those who just want to try an alt... what does it matter? They do not -need- to chase any of the achievements after all... if the main has unlocked a dye, everyone can use it, if they want a special title for fluff reasons, they just need to chase that one achivement, and everything else is completely optional anyhow.

...

That having been said...
What -would- be neat to have was an "account overview page" on the character seelction screen that shows us which of our characters had done what achievement and when. And possibly unlock more rewards through multiple completions... like "do the mainstory with each class" or "reach that alliance war rank for each faction" or "take a character of every race to level 50"...

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4657715#Comment_4657715

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Is it this time of the month again when all the crazies crawl out the asylum door and start haunting the forums with "gimme" threads?

No, I do NOT want any of that.
ESO -already- has more account wide stuff than ANY other MMORPG I played, and it makes completely no sense to give people even less to play for.
As I have been saying in all the prior dozends of threads about the same or similar topics.

And I say this as someone who has -Fourteen- characters, and would benefit -greatly- from such an feature. But I prefer to play my characters as -individuals-, and have fun hunting down skyshards or lorebooks.

If someone feels they cannot be ars... uhm...bothered to get something on their alt - well, then their alt will just have to do without. If they don't want to do without, then they will just have to play for it. Just like for those levels. That's the very idea behing an game with character progression!

And yeah, it can be annoying to do your daily riding training for half a year. Don't like it? Go buy those crown store riding lessions!
Want something similar for skyshards or lorebooks? Who knows, they might consider it when they think people would actually pay for such, and add lorebook collections and skyshard imbuement scrolls to the crown store at some point.

But don't foolishly expect them to give you for free what they sold to others in the past just because you feel the time spent on it would be "ridicolous".

Turelus

Tandor wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

This is a discussion which comes up often.

Personally I am for it, sharing titles as well would be fine in my mind.
I know we get the arguments of "I don't want to see a level 10 grand overlord" but personally if that player has achieved the rank shouldn't they be allowed to display that with all their characters. At least then when they're in lowbie PvP wrecking people with knowledge and crafted sets people would understand it's an alt.

SWTOR has account wide achievements and is one of the few games where I can play alts and feel like I am still making gains towards my account. ESO CP system has that feeling but the achievement system doesn't.

Here's my pros for the system.

• Makes the game more alt friendly.
• Let's completionists also roleplay character moralities.
• Opens up new class based achievements.
• Non-title based rewards are shared any way.
• Most other systems (CP, gear are not character based).

Cons

• Less milestone achievements for individual characters.
• Would require changing titles system.

The problem is that it only makes the game more alt friendly for those who don't want to play the game fully with their alts. For those that do, it makes the game distinctly alt unfriendly.

My own idea of an alt friendly game is one that allows me to level up all my characters individually in whatever way is appropriate for them, so that they aren't all stuck with the same achievements etc just because one character has earned them.

I can appreciate that different people play the game in different ways, hence the need to compromise on something like this. By having a mix of account-wide features like champion points, bank slots, guild membership, dye unlocks, and collections etc coupled with a variety of character-specific discovery unlocks, titles and achievements etc I think ZOS have struck a pretty reasonable balance between the different approaches people have to the game. I wouldn't want to see it change in either direction, but if it were to be changed then a perfectly good case can be made either way. However, I'm happy to leave things as they are!

See I can work with titles and such being character locked (SWTOR did that and I didn't complain) however my issue I ESO doesn't make it feel like playing an alt is progressing your account in any way.
The game also doesn't offer anything different for each new character, we have to play the same stories with most of them ending the same way (what choices there are are mostly meaningless).

I understand where you're coming from and you're right in that we all play differently, I don't like the current system but I'm not going anywhere if it stays this way.

don_kwek

Dev please hear us out, there is plenty of alt to play with.
Anyhow for all the completionist have a look at this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9Av2l4t0U4

DoctorESO

I would be for making at least some or most of the achievements account-wide and keeping a few character-wide.

Darkmage1337

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

Even if I had said yes to this before, I'd be saying no now just out of spite for spamming this topic.

Posts like this one are why ZOS doesn't listen to nor implement any of our positive feedback and suggestions.
Account-wide achievements would make ESO much more manageable and less overwhelming; and, thus, a better player-experience, overall.

Nemesis7884

of course they should be....or at least some achievements should be...i even see a similar case - maybe not equally strong - for sky shards and mages guild lore books etc...

For me, ESO is still very alt unfriendly...best thing is if you just play one character....but they probably do it this way for the same reason they also have other tedious mechanics - in an mmo where players go through content much faster than you can provide it, you need to squeeze as much time ouf of the existing game and mechanics as you can...

turanbloodfist

Isn't the ESO slogan "Play it your way"? Seems a bit like they're providing obstacles to that by requiring you to do all things on a single character to get all the achievement points.

I don't fully role play my characters but I do like to have a concept of them that determines what they will and won't do. If my non-thief / assassin characters were my main (which is likely decided when your first start playing, before you know the full specifics of the system), then i'd never be able to get those achievs on them, meaning i'd never be able to complete all the achievs without playing them differently to how I want.

As others have mentioned, anytime i'm playing a character other than my main just feels like i'm not making any progress on my account. Achievement point completion isn't the only reason i play but it is something to aim towards. Currently it takes some of the fun out of playing different characters and requires you to relentlessly play 1 character constantly instead of experiencing all the differences between characters.

I'm happy with keeping the titles to the characters that individually have earned them but i think achiev points should be account based just so you're able to play your character in a way you feel fits. Achievs could still be tracked on a character basis for those that feel they need 15 separate master anglers but let the first completion of an achiev unlock the achiev points for the account?

Enslaved

I would say some achievements should be account wide. On the other hand, these that are very hard to get like emperorship, stormproof, master angler etc should be character based.

Arundo

Yes please, I sometimes get bored of my DK and then think lets play another class but then switch back when I see all those boring grindy achievements which I stil need to get done on my alts.

So I log off and go play something else.

Minyassa

Long argument short, they are not going to hand all the skill points to a freshly made toon.

Arundo

Minyassa wrote: »

Long argument short, they are not going to hand all the skill points to a freshly made toon.

I dont see why not ? You still need to level the skills to be able to spend the points. And really isnt that hard to get those skill points just damn boring to run all those skyshards again. Even Cyro is easy, just go there outside of peak hours.

TheValar85

Yes please including Titles

Zinaroth

My main is a special snowflake with a lot of achievements because I don't focus on a lot of alts or reroll every patch.
I would like it to remain that way so that I am rewarded in keeping with the same character for the majority of the time.
I feel like there's enough benefits to having alts in this game and I would hate to see a change that makes it less important whether you invest time in one character or multiple.
In the same way that some altoholics probably feel like they are being punished for not sticking to one character in the terms of achievements, I feel like the game is punishing me for not having lots of play ready alts at my disposal.
I think this is a healthy mentality of; "you can't have it all", and it promotes a sense of achievement on each character as opposed to just logging on the alt that can earn the given achievements the easiest.

Edit:

Turelus wrote: »

In ESO doesn't make it feel like playing an alt is progressing your account in any way.

Another character to do writs on or to collect event boxes on or valuable daily quests with motifs with high price.
It also offers you variety in participating in group event and it develops your meta-knowledge on the game.
Alts in this game have far more worth than in for example World of Warcraft I feel like, and I feel like the achievement point system is the reward giving to people who don't spread their focus out across several alts but instead lose out on the goodies they give access to, to focus on developing a single character.
I think the scales of balance need to remain even, giving account wide achievements would just make it so having a lot of alts would be even more effective for nit-picking characters for certain achievements - and focusing on a single character would be a disadvantage.
The only thing main character loyalists have going for them right now are achievement points - take that away and there is nothing rewarding in the game about sticking to a single character over creating an army of alts.
Atleast that is how I feel.

Thorstienn

These kind of topics always come down to the same ultimate choice:
Is your account "you" ,or
Are the characters "you"

If it's the first, you want account wide everything: gold, lorebooks, skill points, pvp rank, achievements etc.
If its the second, keep everything specific to each character, possibly even CP.

(Examples were used, not suggesting everyone is exactly the same)