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✭✭✭✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »
There are a LOT of minors that play this game. They cannot consent.Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Its really nobodies business what two consenting nerds do behind firewalls .
I thought this game was 18+? Am i confuzzled? Did this change?
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✭✭✭✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »
There are a LOT of minors that play this game. They cannot consent.Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Its really nobodies business what two consenting nerds do behind firewalls .
I thought this game was 18+? Am i confuzzled? Did this change?
It is, but that does not prevent minors from being in the game. It is a much lesser offense to have a minor in the game, than it is to have the minor get caught up in what this thread is about.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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Hokiewa✭✭✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Its really nobodies business what two consenting nerds do behind firewalls .
There are a LOT of minors that play this game. They cannot consent.
So like, it's rated M, so how can they complain?
Plus all the murder/***/thieving/blood is all cool... BUT THIS!!?!?!
Lets not pretend here, there is a huge leap from a minor being exposed to those things, and a minor being exposed to actual people virtually soliciting them for sexual relations, whether its for gold in game or money outside game. It's harmful to minors. Hormone fueled 13-16 yr olds empowered by anonymity are victims if they engage in behavior, virtually or not.
Again, minors aren't legally allowed to play this game. They are violating the ToS when they install this game and agree to the ToS under false pretenses, which is a bannable offense.
There is no way to know the age of the person behind the keyboard. You simply cannot refute the black and white nature of a minor not being legally able to consent, and that the parents and Zos both have responsibility.
Not legally an issue for Zos as they have complied. Stop advocating that everyone but parents are responsible for their children. Absurdly silly8 -
monktoasty✭✭✭✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Its really nobodies business what two consenting nerds do behind firewalls .
There are a LOT of minors that play this game. They cannot consent.Sheezabeast wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Its really nobodies business what two consenting nerds do behind firewalls .
There are a LOT of minors that play this game. They cannot consent.
So like, it's rated M, so how can they complain?
Plus all the murder/***/thieving/blood is all cool... BUT THIS!!?!?!
Lets not pretend here, there is a huge leap from a minor being exposed to those things, and a minor being exposed to actual people virtually soliciting them for sexual relations, whether its for gold in game or money outside game. It's harmful to minors. Hormone fueled 13-16 yr olds empowered by anonymity are victims if they engage in behavior, virtually or not.
Nah..your priorities are all screwed up. Sorry.
Besides 16 is actually not a minor in more places than they are minors so more like 13 to 14..at which point you would need to stick them in a keyless du goon to avoid explicit situations.
At the end of the day rated m means they should not be able to buy it or play it so it's the parents responsibility not the publishers1 -
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✭Never seen this. If I will ever witness, will never try such a "service". Will just pay no atention.0 -
Bbsample197✭✭✭✭VilniusNastavnik wrote: »Just avoid Riften, and Wrothgar taverns, as well as Rawl'kha back alleys.. Wont have any issue.
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✭✭I mean as long as everyone is of age and okay with it I see no problem."Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."
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✭✭✭lordrichter wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »
There are a LOT of minors that play this game. They cannot consent.Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Its really nobodies business what two consenting nerds do behind firewalls .
I thought this game was 18+? Am i confuzzled? Did this change?
It is, but that does not prevent minors from being in the game. It is a much lesser offense to have a minor in the game, than it is to have the minor get caught up in what this thread is about.
I mean, technically, if it's against the terms of service to allow a child to play the game... and the parent is allowing the child to do so- not only are the violating the TOS- but the parent is allowing the child to become "endangered" with whatever they see as "explicit" in this game. If they filed a complaint against ZoS- then ZoS could have a case for Child Protective Services to investigate the parent.
Want to enjoy the game more? Try both PvP (crybabies) and PvE (carebears). You'll get a better perspective on everyone's opinion.
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✭✭✭✭✭There is a guard in Belkarth that, if he catches you stealing or with a minor bounty and you pay the bounty, he propositions you. Surpised the heck out of me but it was funny.Beta tester November 20130 -
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✭✭✭There is a guard in Belkarth that, if he catches you stealing or with a minor bounty and you pay the bounty, he propositions you. Surpised the heck out of me but it was funny.
I've not seen him yet xD Don't get me wrong, I'm not a prude. I'm far from it. It's more about the *real* side of it, if that makes sense.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It's more about the *real* side of it, if that makes sense.
WIth the situation you described, I can certainly see why it would feel uncomfortable.
I havent come across it myself but yea I think it would probably make me feel a little skeevy.
Also, yes its an M rated game and its clearly marked as such. And yes it is up to the parents to be parents and decide if their child is mature enough to handle the content. I think there is still some legality even so if a minor (under 18 as far as the U.S. is concerned) is exposed to it, knowingly or not.
If a person in real life shows pornograpy or offers similar services to someone that they think is of legal age, but they are actually and unknowingly a minor, it is still against the law.
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✭✭✭✭✭It's more about the *real* side of it, if that makes sense.
WIth the situation you described, I can certainly see why it would feel uncomfortable.
I havent come across it myself but yea I think it would probably make me feel a little skeevy.
Also, yes its an M rated game and its clearly marked as such. And yes it is up to the parents to be parents and decide if their child is mature enough to handle the content. I think there is still some legality even so if a minor (under 18 as far as the U.S. is concerned) is exposed to it, knowingly or not.
If a person in real life shows pornograpy or offers similar services to someone that they think is of legal age, but they are actually and unknowingly a minor, it is still against the law.
Thing is, anything vocal isn't even close to what you describe.
Also, it's not about vocal prostitution, it's about the means in which would be required to monitor such activities. How would ZoS go about monitoring private chats etc?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »It's more about the *real* side of it, if that makes sense.
WIth the situation you described, I can certainly see why it would feel uncomfortable.
I havent come across it myself but yea I think it would probably make me feel a little skeevy.
Also, yes its an M rated game and its clearly marked as such. And yes it is up to the parents to be parents and decide if their child is mature enough to handle the content. I think there is still some legality even so if a minor (under 18 as far as the U.S. is concerned) is exposed to it, knowingly or not.
If a person in real life shows pornograpy or offers similar services to someone that they think is of legal age, but they are actually and unknowingly a minor, it is still against the law.
Thing is, anything vocal isn't even close to what you describe.
Also, it's not about vocal prostitution, it's about the means in which would be required to monitor such activities. How would ZoS go about monitoring private chats etc?
ZoS can monitor anything that is typed in any game chat whether its zone, group, say or tell. Its in the logs.
People have been banned from the game because of things they said to other people in private chat in the game.Beta tester November 20132 -
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ZoS can monitor anything that is typed in any game chat whether its zone, group, say or tell. Its in the logs.
People have been banned from the game because of things they said to other people in private chat in the game.
This is true. This is also how they sometimes catch gold farmers, I imagine - if someone's regularly sending large amounts of gold to random strangers, I can definitely see them looking into it. However, I think there's a significant difference between "this is a thing they can do" and "this is a thing they should be regularly doing to ensure that children who already aren't supposed to be here aren't being exposed to adult content."
Though what's being described IS tactless and distasteful, I'll give the OP that. I just think that ignoring and moving on is probably the better option. Especially since it's really hard to verify age, and banning for sexual content in private is a whole different can of worms. And, honestly, unfair to people who are into ERP - not my cuppa by any means, but I hold nothing against them. Given the assumption that they're consenting adults, I think they should be able to ERP in private to their heart's content without worrying about a ban from an overzealous GM reading their mail/whispers/etc.0 -
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✭✭OrdoHermetica wrote: »
ZoS can monitor anything that is typed in any game chat whether its zone, group, say or tell. Its in the logs.
People have been banned from the game because of things they said to other people in private chat in the game.
This is true. This is also how they sometimes catch gold farmers, I imagine - if someone's regularly sending large amounts of gold to random strangers, I can definitely see them looking into it. However, I think there's a significant difference between "this is a thing they can do" and "this is a thing they should be regularly doing to ensure that children who already aren't supposed to be here aren't being exposed to adult content."
Though what's being described IS tactless and distasteful, I'll give the OP that. I just think that ignoring and moving on is probably the better option. Especially since it's really hard to verify age, and banning for sexual content in private is a whole different can of worms. And, honestly, unfair to people who are into ERP - not my cuppa by any means, but I hold nothing against them. Given the assumption that they're consenting adults, I think they should be able to ERP in private to their heart's content without worrying about a ban from an overzealous GM reading their mail/whispers/etc.
Problem with that is laws. I would imagine a whole lot of you-know-what hitting the fan if minors were ERPing with adults. It's happened in MMOs and I can imagine that they (MMOs) can be skittish about it. Made even more difficult, too, by varying age factors around the world (age of consent). I'd have to read the ToS thingie again to see if this is covered there, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was.
Way I see it, though, is anything, ANYTHING, you say or do online, well, you cannot expect privacy.
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✭✭✭✭idk about this issue but from what OP wrote seems like prostitution RP that include in game coin payment as well. Not sure how to feel about that, but can't remember if I have seen anything about it in TOS.0 -
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✭✭idk about this issue but from what OP wrote seems like prostitution RP that include in game coin payment as well. Not sure how to feel about that, but can't remember if I have seen anything about it in TOS.
Y'know, now that I think about it, for the longest time there were two "females" (quotes there because who really knows), who stood out front of an inn, clad only in the underthings. For hours. They'd disappear inside for a bit, and then come back out and resume leaning on a lamppost or pillar.
Well, I'll be damned, probably right in front of me and I didn't even add it up 'til now.
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✭✭✭✭✭It's one of the most important forces in human nature and you are surprised it happens in a game that has a social aspect?Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.1 -
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✭✭It's one of the most important forces in human nature and you are surprised it happens in a game that has a social aspect?
I guess it could be argued "time and place" or "what separates us from the animals".
I think it's more likely a problem for legal reasons. Personally I have no issue so long as it is consenting adults.
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Mannix1958✭✭✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Its really nobodies business what two consenting nerds do behind firewalls .
There are a LOT of minors that play this game. They cannot consent.
So like, it's rated M, so how can they complain?
Plus all the murder/***/thieving/blood is all cool... BUT THIS!!?!?!
Lets not pretend here, there is a huge leap from a minor being exposed to those things, and a minor being exposed to actual people virtually soliciting them for sexual relations, whether its for gold in game or money outside game. It's harmful to minors. Hormone fueled 13-16 yr olds empowered by anonymity are victims if they engage in behavior, virtually or not.
Its not a game for minors, its not advertised to minors, its not rated for minors. It is not ZOS's fault or the player bases fault for a parent allowing a minor to play this game.
So since the parents are to be found at fault, how can they, since they had so little control of their child while online? Your own argument collapses on itself here. You say Zos isn't at fault for allowing this to happen, but legally in the real world we live in today, both parties could be charged on different charges. If you feel weirded out about the idea of maybe you ERP'd with children, that's your own path to figure out. The community this game touts is accepting, caring at times, and we should support protecting kids. Looking at this from a legal standpoint it is very ugly for all involved.
So following this line of thought. A parent buys some booze...the child is allowed said booze by parents directly or lack of attention...despite warnings that should be understood. Aha! A legal case against the store that sold the booze & the makers of the booze.
I am not defending ERPing btw....but I am not sure its as tangled a mess as you make it.0 -
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