A mistake to trust a game .....

gimarwb17_ESO · March 2014

I am wondering if it was a mistake to trust a game by producers who have never published a multiplayer game before.

Ten years ago everybody in multiplayer screamed that if you play multiplayer YOU HAVE TO GROUP. In the meantime, it is public knowledge that a lot of people not only like playing alone, but are maybe forced to because of personal circumstances etc.

So now it seems that ESO have the old fashioned idea that a multiplayer game has to have forced grouping ("if a quest seems to hard, just go to the seek grouping...".

In the quest "Legacy of the Ancestors", a beginners quest for Level 3, the mob you have to fight is sooooo strong that an experienced sorcerer with minion does not even do 20% damage before they are both dead.

Thanks ESO, maybe I wasted my money on a game by amateurs......

Zargorius · March 2014

"experienced sorcerer with a minion"? This alone tells me you're not very experienced at all , minions are known for being really crap.
Are you using roots/knockbacks?

joshweps · March 2014

man pls seriously check yo self

Captainkrunch96 · March 2014

Maybe your just bad?

I did the starter islands, so I was like 5 levels above them, but still, level up a bit, come back, kick ass and chew bubble gum.

Schattenfluegel · March 2014

The bosses were much stronger in the Betatests...

If that is your max Difficult, how would you defeat upcoming bosses on higher Levels? I think, you play in a very wrong way...this Game doesnt work like other MMORPGs oder RPGs...

knightblaster · March 2014

Not really a solo/group issue -- you should be using snare spells, and forget about the minion.

Zerl · March 2014

gimarwb17_ESO wrote: »

In the quest "Legacy of the Ancestors", a beginners quest for Level 3, the mob you have to fight is sooooo strong that an experienced sorcerer with minion does not even do 20% damage before they are both dead.

If an experienced Sorcerer is having difficulty with a level 3 quest, does that make me the God of all Nightblades after facerolling Balreth with relative ease?

hrdndv_ESO · March 2014

Battle in ESO is really very complex for a beginner. You have to know what perks to take early on. You have to know how to approach a battle... how to prepare. Each class has to have different abilities. There is a knock-back or stun ability in every class but it is not obvious to a beginner which perk has this ability. The different races also have advantages. The best approach for a beginner is to go to a help site where players are discussing how to set up your character for best progression and get ideas there.

BTW many quests are strictly solo and will not allow you to take a companion with you. Where grouping is allowed it is easy to defeat the boss.

driosketch · March 2014

hrdndv_ESO wrote: »

Battle in ESO is really very complex for a beginner. You have to know what perks to take early on. You have to know how to approach a battle... how to prepare. Each class has to have different abilities. There is a knock-back or stun ability in every class but it is not obvious to a beginner which perk has this ability. The different races also have advantages. The best approach for a beginner is to go to a help site where players are discussing how to set up your character for best progression and get ideas there.

BTW many quests are strictly solo and will not allow you to take a companion with you. Where grouping is allowed it is easy to defeat the boss.

Keep in mind, many boss enemies are going to be immune to knock backs/downs. Your best bet for these bosses will be skills with damage negation/ healing and the ones with the highest pure damage dealing.

elfindreams · March 2014

Another thing to know about combat in ESO is you MUST move and dodge. I don't care if you are a Sorcerer with long casts (shards for example), movement is crucial in ESO combat. Blocking and interrupting are also critical. Most MMOs and games if you are a ranged DPS or heals you can typically stand in one place unless some ground effect appears, that is not the case in this game. You have to be aware of your surroundings and use them to your advantage. Dodge also is more than just fast movement as you can dodge some projectile spells you couldn't by just moving.

Practice. It gets easier.

Adhamh · March 2014

Don't criticize a company either for never having "published a multiplayer game before." No one has experience without having gained it first.

Nox_Aeterna · March 2014

Well OP , most people actually complain the game is VERY easy while lvling.

Nox_Aeterna · March 2014

Adhamh wrote: »

Don't criticize a company either for never having "published a multiplayer game before." No one has experience without having gained it first.

While this is fair , most companies do not start with a AAA with millions of users :P.

Schattenfluegel · March 2014

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Well OP , most people actually complain the game is VERY easy while lvling.

Its easier than the beta-leveling...the scale is more short to reach Level 15..

Laura · March 2014

gimarwb17_ESO wrote: »

I am wondering if it was a mistake to trust a game by producers who have never published a multiplayer game before.

Ten years ago everybody in multiplayer screamed that if you play multiplayer YOU HAVE TO GROUP. In the meantime, it is public knowledge that a lot of people not only like playing alone, but are maybe forced to because of personal circumstances etc.

So now it seems that ESO have the old fashioned idea that a multiplayer game has to have forced grouping ("if a quest seems to hard, just go to the seek grouping...".

In the quest "Legacy of the Ancestors", a beginners quest for Level 3, the mob you have to fight is sooooo strong that an experienced sorcerer with minion does not even do 20% damage before they are both dead.

Thanks ESO, maybe I wasted my money on a game by amateurs......

This is why we can't have nice things..... people like this.....

orablast · March 2014

You gotta learn how to use block, dodge and interrupts. Not every fight will be "I melt your face with 2 skills"

fiachsidhe · March 2014

That's not really forced grouping. It's merely advice. Either level up, change strategies/respec to a more solo friendly build, or get some help from other players.

SirAndy · March 2014

An experience level 3 sorcerer?

Maybe you should come back to that quest in a level or two ...
;-)

hrdndv_ESO · March 2014

Yea, I did the quest in Beta as a level... hmmm... 6 sorcerer. That is because I came out of the Starter Island at level 5. I thought it was easy at level 6.

Baratan · March 2014

I think the game is too easy and I would pay extra for a hardmode server or something.

Cicero8 · March 2014

I don't know what your compalining about. the 4-12 man dungeons and open world bosses are groups. All the rest is soloable. I did gutsripper, balreth, doshia all under leveled, with barely any gear and just blow through content.

If i die its mostly cause i aggroed 4+ enemies and just was not paying attention.

gimarwb17_ESO · March 2014

I played the betas and had no problem at all. And you cannot compare a nightblade with a sorcerer, sorcerer are a lot weaker in this game and need some love. And that I am a lousy player not to know that a minion is useless is a stupid comment in itself.

I have played multiplayer games for at least 25 years. I HAD NO PROBLEMS IN THE BETA. The minor 'bosses' in this game have an increased strength compared to beta. In fact, Most minor bosses now need a group of two. How stupid.

Who stands there looking for group for a two group event?
But hey, I only have played GW2, Neverwinter, Tera, SWTOR etc with no problems. So staff of ESO shut up writing replies to comments and fanbois shut up too.

Firestar_ · March 2014

Not to mention how easy the game is if you have gear for all slots that is your level.

seangcxqb14_ESO · April 2014

My sorcerer is level 11 and I haven't grouped once. If that quest it too hard for you, find another quest that is easier, but don't complain that the developers got it wrong, because they didn't.

sirnonagon · April 2014

well gimar it appears you just did something wrong lol. it happens.

MasterSpatula · April 2014

Way to be a bunch of jerks, guys.

This mission, if it's the one I think OP's talking about, it likely the first thing you do after the Wailing Prison, assuming you skip the starter island. It's supposed to be specifically aimed at brand-new characters, characters who don't really know the combat system yet, have very poor gear (and maybe not yet even the right gear for the style they want to play the character), no money to buy better gear, and only a few skill points.

I did the starter island, so I came at this mission level 6 and well-geared, and it was a cakewalk. But I have no problem believing it's way overpowered for someone right out of Coldharbor, level 3, dressed mostly in rags, just trying to learn the game.

Yes, maybe OP does need to learn the game, but getting WTFPwned right off the bat doesn't help you learn the game.

To the OP: One of the great things about this game is you can team up without the hassle of grouping. Hang out; wait for another player to come along; if you both hit it, you'll both get XP and loot and quest progress. Some dungeons don't allow this, though, so be prepared for some tough fights.

To everyone else: It's not fun getting your butt handed to you first thing in the game in basically starter content. Maybe remember that before breaking out the "cry more"-type comments.

Thete · April 2014

Although I've died on a couple of tough mobs when I did something silly (usually failing to dodge/interrupt or wasting magicka on an ability that didn't do me that much good), I have not been stopped dead in my tracks and I have only played solo.

I don't remember names of specific quests so not sure which one you're talking about, but none of the low level ones are as difficult as you make out.

Zerl · April 2014

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Way to be a bunch of jerks, guys.

If the OP had put a post up explaining that he was having a little difficulty with a quest and asked for some tips on how to approach the issue, then you'll find that the majority of the posts would have been considerably more constructive.

However posting a QQ thread blaming everything but himself is hardly going to be down well with the community.

Aureli · April 2014

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Way to be a bunch of jerks, guys.
To everyone else: It's not fun getting your butt handed to you first thing in the game in basically starter content. Maybe remember that before breaking out the "cry more"-type comments.

All I could think of this was my first several attempts at getting through Arena's first dungeon and how awesome it was when I finally made it through because of careful planning.
That's all it takes at early levels.

Tremayne · April 2014

Producers who have never published a multiplayer game before?

Snigger.

Go google "Matt Firor". We'll wait for you, and I will skill up Provisioning by making you some humble pie.

Zenimax might be a new company in the industry but the people involved are veterans.

Delith · April 2014

Go play a single player game. Bye.