Am I the Only One?

Prof_Bawbag · March 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

If you're in a PuG and struggling you're gonna be the first suspect just because it's easy to identify a frost staff.

Even then, unless you're doing like vet dlc + I wouldn't care at all.

I'll be frank, people whom complain about someone's performance in 4 man dungeons are usually the bad dps.

I agree. They're usually people who have breezed through content hiding behind others. When there is no hiding, they're the first to point fingers. They're not being carried and rather than admit their own shortcomings, they lay them onto others. Seen so many people who brag, then get found out when the other 3 are all equal level. I suppose it's an ego melter when your actual skill level is there for all to see.

VaranisArano · March 2018

Guys, maybe tone down the hostility and keep this thread on track? Though I'll give credit for the lore-friendlyness of "bloated, skeeving horker."

But let's keep it civil, otherwise I'm going to have to break out the Morrowind "STOOPID N'WAH" and that mispelling hurts me deep inside everytime I say it.

Aurielle · March 2018

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

If you're in a PuG and struggling you're gonna be the first suspect just because it's easy to identify a frost staff.

Even then, unless you're doing like vet dlc + I wouldn't care at all.

I'll be frank, people whom complain about someone's performance in 4 man dungeons are usually the bad dps.

I agree. They're usually people who have breezed through content hiding behind others. When there is no hiding, they're the first to point fingers. They're not being carried and rather than admit their own shortcomings, they lay them onto others. Seen so many people who brag, then get found out when the other 3 are all equal level. I suppose it's an ego melter when your actual skill level is there for all to see.

Not necessarily. OP didn't mention if he was running vet or normal dungeons. My tank does about 10k DPS; if I'm grouped with a roleplaying damage dealer who does as much (or less) damage than me in a vet dungeon, then yeah, I'm probably going to drop the group. Why spend 45-50 minutes on a vet dungeon when you can do it in 20 minutes with a competent damage dealer that ISN'T running a roleplaying build? I can almost guarantee you based on the OP's sets and skill bars that he's not pulling sufficient DPS for vet dungeons.

If he's running normals, then yes, I totally agree. Anyone above CP 200-300 who complains about other players in normals needs to re-evaluate their own builds before laying into other players, considering that normals can easily be soloed by any class in the game. I used to get snarky with low DPS players in the past when on my healer and tank in normals, back before I felt comfortable enough to move on to vets, but then I realized that the problem lay with me; bringing a trials healer or tank to a normal dungeon is just pure stupidity.

esp1992 · March 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

Guys, maybe tone down the hostility and keep this thread on track? Though I'll give credit for the lore-friendlyness of "bloated, skeeving horker."

But let's keep it civil, otherwise I'm going to have to break out the Morrowind "STOOPID N'WAH" and that mispelling hurts me deep inside everytime I say it.

Trying to... I get so mad when I post something and it gets backfired everytime!

duendology · March 2018

A thought.. not directly related to this topic .

I got ESO as a gift. I wasn't even a video gamer in general. I really love this game, the lore and the graphics played a significant role why I got sucked in. Yes, I do enjoy a good rpg. Generally, I think I got interested in gaming when finally the graphics became sophisticated enough that the game world's more and more realistic and does not remind you a cartoon. (Hellblade is hell of a fantastic and crazy ride!!)

You know, when you watch the cinematic trailers of ESO you get a sense of a deep story, great immersion, beautiful fantasy. I love these trailers even if they're few years old.

And then you get to play the game and notice most of the people basically doing nothing but math and dummy ***. I know eso it's a game.. but still I find it both funny and somewhat disappointing that..at the end of the day.. all what seems to matter here is what gear you wear and how much dps you can do. oh well..

esp1992 · March 2018

Those of you wondering about the Tri-Focus Passive... I already know about it!
Why? Because I ALWAYS Avoid it!

Davor · March 2018

boombazookajd wrote: »

I stopped following at RP.

If you are doing anything other than RP with your RP things, you're going to catch unhappy fellow players.

One of the reasons using an ice staff is a good way to catch the ire of other players is because its a taunt. So if you aren't a tank and are in group content, you are likely stealing aggro. Second, ice staves are just not good.

And the answer to all your questions: This isn't your daddy's MMO days dude. Get into an RP guild but don't go around in the game expecting to be welcomed with open arms if you are running a build to fit your RP ideas because it likely is pretty bad.

P.S. There are RP guilds on here, in the role-play forum. You'll meet the cat people there who will cue you in on the RP spots so you can be with like minded folks.

You know he is not the problem. It's people like you and others that are. Oh my talk about 1980s sport jocks in the twenty teens days of video games. My how the people have turned around.

In other words people have a right to play any way they want. We don't have to play your way. You can just politely decline, but I guess with sport jocks in video games polite is not in the vocabulary.

This is why I don't join groups. Elitist attitudes like this, people who think they are better, and what is even worse people who think they are better at fake things or the most physical activity is with twitchy fingers.

Kikke · March 2018

whats this? frost DPS not viable? Frost staff is for tanking alone? soo wierd then that I have a frost warden mage doing 30k+ singel target dps in dungeons. is it meta? no. can you build around it? yes. will it be lower DPS than meta, OFC! but you dont need 40k+ dps for ANYTHING in this game looked aside a couple HM trials.

Shezzarrine · March 2018

Davor wrote: »

boombazookajd wrote: »

I stopped following at RP.

If you are doing anything other than RP with your RP things, you're going to catch unhappy fellow players.

One of the reasons using an ice staff is a good way to catch the ire of other players is because its a taunt. So if you aren't a tank and are in group content, you are likely stealing aggro. Second, ice staves are just not good.

And the answer to all your questions: This isn't your daddy's MMO days dude. Get into an RP guild but don't go around in the game expecting to be welcomed with open arms if you are running a build to fit your RP ideas because it likely is pretty bad.

P.S. There are RP guilds on here, in the role-play forum. You'll meet the cat people there who will cue you in on the RP spots so you can be with like minded folks.

You know he is not the problem. It's people like you and others that are. Oh my talk about 1980s sport jocks in the twenty teens days of video games. My how the people have turned around.

In other words people have a right to play any way they want. We don't have to play your way. You can just politely decline, but I guess with sport jocks in video games polite is not in the vocabulary.

This is why I don't join groups. Elitist attitudes like this, people who think they are better, and what is even worse people who think they are better at fake things or the most physical activity is with twitchy fingers.

This guy isn't being a jock or an elitist, he is simply stated there is a level of competince that is required for certain content. Go play as you want but in vet dungeons I will not run with a rp archer if all they do is light attack bow spam with the occasional snipe cast, it just won't work and if it does it's because you're being carried. It's not fair to other players if you put your hopelessly underperforming into content it is not viable for, in fact it is extremely selfish and entitled behavior to expect to be carried because you don't want to play a certain way.

It's not even about being meta, there are plenty of non meta viable builds out there. Also normal dungons are a different story, those you can sleepwalk through. You need to get over yourself. As it has been said earlier in this thread, "play how you want ends with other people.

esp1992 · March 2018

Davor wrote: »

boombazookajd wrote: »

I stopped following at RP.

If you are doing anything other than RP with your RP things, you're going to catch unhappy fellow players.

One of the reasons using an ice staff is a good way to catch the ire of other players is because its a taunt. So if you aren't a tank and are in group content, you are likely stealing aggro. Second, ice staves are just not good.

And the answer to all your questions: This isn't your daddy's MMO days dude. Get into an RP guild but don't go around in the game expecting to be welcomed with open arms if you are running a build to fit your RP ideas because it likely is pretty bad.

P.S. There are RP guilds on here, in the role-play forum. You'll meet the cat people there who will cue you in on the RP spots so you can be with like minded folks.

You know he is not the problem. It's people like you and others that are. Oh my talk about 1980s sport jocks in the twenty teens days of video games. My how the people have turned around.

In other words people have a right to play any way they want. We don't have to play your way. You can just politely decline, but I guess with sport jocks in video games polite is not in the vocabulary.

This is why I don't join groups. Elitist attitudes like this, people who think they are better, and what is even worse people who think they are better at fake things or the most physical activity is with twitchy fingers.

Thank you for your noble defense.
Kyne watch over you in your journeys

esp1992 · March 2018

Shezzarrine wrote: »

Davor wrote: »

boombazookajd wrote: »

I stopped following at RP.

If you are doing anything other than RP with your RP things, you're going to catch unhappy fellow players.

One of the reasons using an ice staff is a good way to catch the ire of other players is because its a taunt. So if you aren't a tank and are in group content, you are likely stealing aggro. Second, ice staves are just not good.

And the answer to all your questions: This isn't your daddy's MMO days dude. Get into an RP guild but don't go around in the game expecting to be welcomed with open arms if you are running a build to fit your RP ideas because it likely is pretty bad.

P.S. There are RP guilds on here, in the role-play forum. You'll meet the cat people there who will cue you in on the RP spots so you can be with like minded folks.

You know he is not the problem. It's people like you and others that are. Oh my talk about 1980s sport jocks in the twenty teens days of video games. My how the people have turned around.

In other words people have a right to play any way they want. We don't have to play your way. You can just politely decline, but I guess with sport jocks in video games polite is not in the vocabulary.

This is why I don't join groups. Elitist attitudes like this, people who think they are better, and what is even worse people who think they are better at fake things or the most physical activity is with twitchy fingers.

This guy isn't being a jock or an elitist, he is simply stated there is a level of competince that is required for certain content. Go play as you want but in vet dungeons I will not run with a rp archer if all they do is light attack bow spam with the occasional snipe cast, it just won't work and if it does it's because you're being carried. It's not fair to other players if you put your hopelessly underperforming into content it is not viable for, in fact it is extremely selfish and entitled behavior to expect to be carried because you don't want to play a certain way.

It's not even about being meta, there are plenty of non meta viable builds out there. Also normal dungons are a different story, those you can sleepwalk through. You need to get over yourself. As it has been said earlier in this thread, "play how you want ends with other people.

Sooo... my build is nowhere near good enough for anything?

SirAndy · March 2018

Shezzarrine wrote: »

he is simply stated there is a level of competince that is required for certain content

I'm all for "competince", in fact it is my favorite tince, but you don't have to be a *** about it, which is where the jock comparison comes into play.

esp1992 · March 2018

SirAndy wrote: »

Shezzarrine wrote: »

he is simply stated there is a level of competince that is required for certain content

I'm all for "competince", in fact it is my favorite tince, but you don't have to be a *** about it, which is where the jock comparison comes into play.

EXACTLY!
I have high respect on everybody’s opinion, but Shor’s Bones and Y’ffre’s Withered Leaves, just because you disagree with me, dosen’t mean you have to be a Skeeving Horker about it!

esp1992 · March 2018

kikkehs wrote: »

whats this? frost DPS not viable? Frost staff is for tanking alone? soo wierd then that I have a frost warden mage doing 30k+ singel target dps in dungeons. is it meta? no. can you build around it? yes. will it be lower DPS than meta, OFC! but you dont need 40k+ dps for ANYTHING in this game looked aside a couple HM trials.

How is that even possible?

Shezzarrine · March 2018

SirAndy wrote: »

Shezzarrine wrote: »

he is simply stated there is a level of competince that is required for certain content

I'm all for "competince", in fact it is my favorite tince, but you don't have to be a *** about it, which is where the jock comparison comes into play.

I did not mean to be a *** about it, but just to put it bluntly. It seems people don't understand what others are trying to say so I'm not going to just mince words. It's not being a jock it's more asking people to be considerate and only do a content level appropriate to their build. I don't understand how that is being "elitist" or a ***.

Shezzarrine · March 2018

esp1992 wrote: »

Shezzarrine wrote: »

Davor wrote: »

boombazookajd wrote: »

I stopped following at RP.

If you are doing anything other than RP with your RP things, you're going to catch unhappy fellow players.

One of the reasons using an ice staff is a good way to catch the ire of other players is because its a taunt. So if you aren't a tank and are in group content, you are likely stealing aggro. Second, ice staves are just not good.

And the answer to all your questions: This isn't your daddy's MMO days dude. Get into an RP guild but don't go around in the game expecting to be welcomed with open arms if you are running a build to fit your RP ideas because it likely is pretty bad.

P.S. There are RP guilds on here, in the role-play forum. You'll meet the cat people there who will cue you in on the RP spots so you can be with like minded folks.

You know he is not the problem. It's people like you and others that are. Oh my talk about 1980s sport jocks in the twenty teens days of video games. My how the people have turned around.

In other words people have a right to play any way they want. We don't have to play your way. You can just politely decline, but I guess with sport jocks in video games polite is not in the vocabulary.

This is why I don't join groups. Elitist attitudes like this, people who think they are better, and what is even worse people who think they are better at fake things or the most physical activity is with twitchy fingers.

This guy isn't being a jock or an elitist, he is simply stated there is a level of competince that is required for certain content. Go play as you want but in vet dungeons I will not run with a rp archer if all they do is light attack bow spam with the occasional snipe cast, it just won't work and if it does it's because you're being carried. It's not fair to other players if you put your hopelessly underperforming into content it is not viable for, in fact it is extremely selfish and entitled behavior to expect to be carried because you don't want to play a certain way.

It's not even about being meta, there are plenty of non meta viable builds out there. Also normal dungons are a different story, those you can sleepwalk through. You need to get over yourself. As it has been said earlier in this thread, "play how you want ends with other people.

Sooo... my build is nowhere near good enough for anything?

I have not seen your build in action, but I would think it's not good enough for most vet dungeons. Normals you can blow through with anything. If you are not opposed to it I would love to see what kind of solo numbers your build will pull on a dummy. Just from personal experience with "play how you want" builds in vet dungeons I can tell you most don't belong in vet dungeons. Now if you're running with friends who are ok with it and know they have to carry you then by all means run with them. But if you're pulling less than 15k for 1s or 20k for 2s it's just going to take too long or not really be beatable and a waste of people's time. I personally run with a few people who play how they want and I'm fine because I know what their limitations are but when I get a pug in a vet dungeon I don't think that is acceptable.

It is a game, have fun with it! But also don't expect to be carried if your build can't fulfill a basic requirement.

LioraValkyrie · March 2018

Mistress of Apocrypa says: "Certain incantations or martial manoeuvres, when used in specific orders, can wreak devastating damage to even the nastiest villains and monsters. This martial knowledge is made all the more potent when combined with an effectively enchanted and traited armoury. One may elevate their prowess even further through careful study of the constellations, and their corresponding mundus stones upon Tamriel. The finest fighters and mages go so far as to tailor their arsenal to the present circumstances, for the good of all concerned, and forego strict adherence to the combat principles taught in one school or another. Whilst a particular form of combat may be more suited to our nature, the foes we face are all too often unnatural. Flexibility, therefore, is the most admirable trait a warrior can possess, and those who possess it are praised by their friends and feared by their enemies."

The mercurial and sometimes counter-intuitive nature of the meta is merely poorly worded. Were it otherwise, it would be RP.

Royaji · March 2018

Davor wrote: »

In other words people have a right to play any way they want. We don't have to play your way.

Let's slow down for a moment and think about that sentence.

Yep, it goes both ways. We also don't have to play your way.

You are not here for winning? Sure. Just want to RP and have fun with friends? Of course. Noone is saying you are prohibited from having fun and RPing a bard who makes the enemies rethink their live choices by charming music. But don't expect everyone to accept you in their groups.

Play how you want applies to the game. It doesn't mean that every player made group will allow you to play how you want.
Some people are here to win, get all the best loot and get better. And they are also playing the game how they want.

Maybe a bit of communication with your group can help you figure out what kind of group that is. "Hey you guys want to do that as fast as you can? Oh, sorry, I roleplay as a fist fighter and don't use any weapons. I'll see you later." Boom, easy. It also works the other way "Hey, we are going to RP this run, you're ok with that? No? Alright, have a nice day."

FInd like minded people and play with them the way you want. But don't try shoehorn yourself into groups with a different playstyle and cry that they don't play how you want.

SirAndy · March 2018

Shezzarrine wrote: »

I did not mean to be a *** about it,

You weren't but that "boombazookajd" kid you were trying to defend certainly was ...

Shezzarrine · March 2018

SirAndy wrote: »

Shezzarrine wrote: »

I did not mean to be a *** about it,

You weren't but that "boombazookajd" kid you were trying to defend certainly was ...

He said some things that could be interpreted that way, yes, but I peer didn't read it that way. But his advice to join like-minded RP players was solid

xbobx · March 2018

well i have been booted twice from vet dungeons as a 500 cp sorcerer, so yes, there are a lot of people that need therapy

temjiu · March 2018

I think the whole issue revolves around 2 things:

1) the game tries to encourage RP and casual play. But then again, It also tries to encourage Challenging content. And it also tries to encourage competitive and PvP play. It tries to be many things, but as in any other MMO that tries to please everyone, it can't please someone completely. Since there are different ways to play, there will be different types of players, and we all need to take that into account.

2) respect. insults start to fly the moment respect for someone drops. While I get many of the points people are bringing up in this thread, the issue is how those people treat the playstyle of the OP. With side comments and brusque intonations, you are revealing your disdain for those who would play that style. Or perhaps it's simply frustration with all the failed vet dungeons you've ran in the past. either way, disparaging someone's gameplay isn't the way to win people over to your opinion.

But that is also a 2 way street. People who just want casual or RP play need to understand that anything outside of vet is meant for exactly that: story enjoyment. Vet doesn't give you any more story or anything different in regards to your RP experience. It's just harder. It's designed to force you to look more heavily at your builds and skill usage. And in disregarding someone's desire to run harder content effectively and efficiently is just as disrespectful as they snubbing your RP playstyle.

I remember once someone in a thread mentioned that if you aren't planning on running Trials, then the trial gear isn't necessary. And their right. you can get by in all the game content that is designed for Story and RP with nothing more then basic crafted gear. Point being that if you want bigger rewards and more powerful gear (powerful mechanically speaking), then you are accepting the challenge for harder content, and you need to appropriately set your character up for that.

I have toons that I enjoy RP with. And I also have toons that I play for performance reasons. I recognize that there will be lots of different playstyles in the game, and I need to respect those playstyles as much as they need to respect my own. outside of that, We all just need to be a little more forgiving and flexible when it comes to dealing with people.

that being said, there will always be impatient people and elitists. You just need to shrug them off and move on...one thing I can safely say about the internet after gaming for more then 3 decades is that you can't change people on the interwebs. accept them or ignore them and move on with life.