Am I the Only One?

esp1992

So, I’m playing (or should I say RP) as a Magicka Breton Warden Sage known as the “White Warden” in the Aldmeri Dominion with Ice Staves, planning on this build below...

SET 1
Elemental Susceptibility
Winter’s Revenge
Blockade of Frost
Crystallized Slab
Blue Betty
Northern Storm/Eternal Guardian

SET 2
Frost Clench
Winter’s Revenge
Blockade of Frost
Crystallized Slab
Deep Fissure
Northern Storm/Eternal Guardian

However, I seem to see so many people who take this game WAY TOO SERIOUSLY!
Nowadays it’s all about Win, Win, WIN, ditch this, use that, this is horrible, this is better, and so on... (reason why I avoid Group Content).

I mean, since when did using an Ice Staff on top of Warden Frost Abilities became a crime? Get so many harsh comments on that!
Whatever happened to getting together with friends for the sake of getting together with friends?
Whatever happened to making a build with your favorite skills from your favorite Class?
What’s the purpose of playing a game or just RPing for the sake of having fun if other people punish you for it?

Am I the ONLY ONE that feels this way?

EDIT: Changed PVP to group.

SirAndy

Can't say i can relate since i don't care what people think or say.

Find better friends/guildies/pugs ...

FloppyTouch

If ur not doing end game pve or group play pvp then nope do anything you want its all good

monktoasty

Hey its all about having fun the meta game is pretty boring

Yinmaigao

I am 100% on board with the "play how you want" paradigm!

However... If you are doing group content and "not pulling your share" (as perceived by your groupmates; no matter the role)... that is when you open yourself to criticisms.

However, you said you are just playing with your friends? If so, they sound... not so friendly lol.

VaranisArano

Are you the tank? Carry on. Its a pretty viable tank option as long as you know what you are doing.

Are you the DPS and have the Trifocus passive that turns your heavy attack into a taunt? Yeah, if I'm your tank, I'm gonna be pretty unhappy with that. Ditch that Trifocus passive if you aren't the tank.

Are you the DPS and don't have the Trifocus passive so you aren't taunting? Keep calm and carry on. Ice staff isn't the most efficient option for DPS by a long shot, but as long as you are hitting the right amount of DPS for the level of content you are doing, I'm not going to complain. If you aren't hitting that level of DPS for whatever content you are doing, you might need more practice or simply accept that role-playing is better suited to easier content.

esp1992

Yinmaigao wrote: »

I am 100% on board with the "play how you want" paradigm!

However... If you are doing group content and "not pulling your share" (as perceived by your groupmates; no matter the role)... that is when you open yourself to criticisms.

However, you said you are just playing with your friends? If so, they sound... not so friendly lol.

Yeah.. the Buildthing, I pretty much walked into that one LOL!

boombazookajd

I stopped following at RP.

If you are doing anything other than RP with your RP things, you're going to catch unhappy fellow players.

One of the reasons using an ice staff is a good way to catch the ire of other players is because its a taunt. So if you aren't a tank and are in group content, you are likely stealing aggro. Second, ice staves are just not good.

And the answer to all your questions: This isn't your daddy's MMO days dude. Get into an RP guild but don't go around in the game expecting to be welcomed with open arms if you are running a build to fit your RP ideas because it likely is pretty bad.

P.S. There are RP guilds on here, in the role-play forum. You'll meet the cat people there who will cue you in on the RP spots so you can be with like minded folks.

esp1992

monktoasty wrote: »

Hey its all about having fun the meta game is pretty boring

Kyne Bless You!

VaranisArano

boombazookajd wrote: »

I stopped following at RP.

If you are doing anything other than RP with your RP things, you're going to catch unhappy fellow players.

One of the reasons using an ice staff is a good way to catch the ire of other players is because its a taunt. So if you aren't a tank and are in group content, you are likely stealing aggro. Second, ice staves are just not good.

And the answer to all your questions: This isn't your daddy's MMO days dude. Get into an RP guild but don't go around in the game expecting to be welcomed with open arms if you are running a build to fit your RP ideas because it likely is pretty bad.

P.S. There are RP guilds on here, in the role-play forum. You'll meet the cat people there who will cue you in on the RP spots so you can be with like minded folks.

Heavy attacks with a Frost staff are only a taunt if you have the TriFocus passive. If you want to DPS with an ice staff, please don't pick up the Tri Focus passive. Otherwise, there's an awkward conversation in which your tank informs you that "You taunt it, you tank it".

esp1992

VaranisArano wrote: »

boombazookajd wrote: »

I stopped following at RP.

If you are doing anything other than RP with your RP things, you're going to catch unhappy fellow players.

One of the reasons using an ice staff is a good way to catch the ire of other players is because its a taunt. So if you aren't a tank and are in group content, you are likely stealing aggro. Second, ice staves are just not good.

And the answer to all your questions: This isn't your daddy's MMO days dude. Get into an RP guild but don't go around in the game expecting to be welcomed with open arms if you are running a build to fit your RP ideas because it likely is pretty bad.

P.S. There are RP guilds on here, in the role-play forum. You'll meet the cat people there who will cue you in on the RP spots so you can be with like minded folks.

Heavy attacks with a Frost staff are only a taunt if you have the TriFocus passive. If you want to DPS with an ice staff, please don't pick up the Tri Focus passive. Otherwise, there's an awkward conversation in which your tank informs you that "You taunt it, you tank it".

Always avoid it Altogether!

esp1992

boombazookajd wrote: »

I stopped following at RP.

If you are doing anything other than RP with your RP things, you're going to catch unhappy fellow players.

One of the reasons using an ice staff is a good way to catch the ire of other players is because its a taunt. So if you aren't a tank and are in group content, you are likely stealing aggro. Second, ice staves are just not good.

And the answer to all your questions: This isn't your daddy's MMO days dude. Get into an RP guild but don't go around in the game expecting to be welcomed with open arms if you are running a build to fit your RP ideas because it likely is pretty bad.

P.S. There are RP guilds on here, in the role-play forum. You'll meet the cat people there who will cue you in on the RP spots so you can be with like minded folks.

Pheefs

You are not alone!
Its not always about the "meta"

Unsolicited advice on my builds is not welcome... my motives are mine own, b'netches!
& If I ask, please do tell me why I suck
seriously!

Some of my best fun is running around with a 20/20/20 Templar who wields a SINGLE dagger (destro staff back bar)
...& while I would never sign her up for a random PUG, she is hilarious good fun to play.

Roleplay & Photo Runs of group content for us weirdos are best made in advance from our friends or guilds, people love playing "mercenary guards" for an hour if they know its in the job description.

Yinmaigao

esp1992 wrote: »

boombazookajd wrote: »

I stopped following at RP.

If you are doing anything other than RP with your RP things, you're going to catch unhappy fellow players.

One of the reasons using an ice staff is a good way to catch the ire of other players is because its a taunt. So if you aren't a tank and are in group content, you are likely stealing aggro. Second, ice staves are just not good.

And the answer to all your questions: This isn't your daddy's MMO days dude. Get into an RP guild but don't go around in the game expecting to be welcomed with open arms if you are running a build to fit your RP ideas because it likely is pretty bad.

P.S. There are RP guilds on here, in the role-play forum. You'll meet the cat people there who will cue you in on the RP spots so you can be with like minded folks.

Maybe he/she is RP'ing a professional adventuring dungeoneer

boombazookajd

esp1992 wrote: »

boombazookajd wrote: »

I stopped following at RP.

If you are doing anything other than RP with your RP things, you're going to catch unhappy fellow players.

One of the reasons using an ice staff is a good way to catch the ire of other players is because its a taunt. So if you aren't a tank and are in group content, you are likely stealing aggro. Second, ice staves are just not good.

And the answer to all your questions: This isn't your daddy's MMO days dude. Get into an RP guild but don't go around in the game expecting to be welcomed with open arms if you are running a build to fit your RP ideas because it likely is pretty bad.

P.S. There are RP guilds on here, in the role-play forum. You'll meet the cat people there who will cue you in on the RP spots so you can be with like minded folks.

I wasn't trying being a prick. Just trying to explain why he's encountering resistance to an RP build. I'm all for play as you want, both of my main characters I play are how I want them but still, they aren't self centered builds, they have group content in mind. They aren't hybrids, but aren't minmaxed metas either.

If you want to have an RP build/character, do it in an actual RP group.

esp1992

boombazookajd wrote: »

esp1992 wrote: »

boombazookajd wrote: »

I stopped following at RP.

If you are doing anything other than RP with your RP things, you're going to catch unhappy fellow players.

One of the reasons using an ice staff is a good way to catch the ire of other players is because its a taunt. So if you aren't a tank and are in group content, you are likely stealing aggro. Second, ice staves are just not good.

And the answer to all your questions: This isn't your daddy's MMO days dude. Get into an RP guild but don't go around in the game expecting to be welcomed with open arms if you are running a build to fit your RP ideas because it likely is pretty bad.

P.S. There are RP guilds on here, in the role-play forum. You'll meet the cat people there who will cue you in on the RP spots so you can be with like minded folks.

I wasn't trying being a prick. Just trying to explain why he's encountering resistance to an RP build. I'm all for play as you want, both of my main characters I play are how I want them but still, they aren't self centered builds, they have group content in mind. They aren't hybrids, but aren't minmaxed metas either.

If you want to have an RP build/character, do it in an actual RP group.

Thanks, I also was asking about just play as you want in addition to RP.
The meme was just a joke btw, lol!

FakeFox

If you are grouping with other people, those people probably want to have fun as well. And being held back by a group-member who plays intentionally bad very often ends up not being fun.
"Play as you want" ends at the point where you engage with other people.

Waffennacht

If you're in a PuG and struggling you're gonna be the first suspect just because it's easy to identify a frost staff.

Even then, unless you're doing like vet dlc + I wouldn't care at all.

I'll be frank, people whom complain about someone's performance in 4 man dungeons are usually the bad dps.

esp1992

For those of you wondering... yes I do have a character for Group Stuff.

Rohamad_Ali

If you're just doing normal mode you can almost get through those with a broom stick so it shouldn't matter if you're skilled enough to do the work . Don't expect people to be lenient in vet dungeons though . It's best to join a RP guild or at least form a RP group to do things this way as many people do take dungeons seriously and want gear and items not just fun . Many have already done them dozens of times and just want to hurry for the dailies and items . Best policy is finding like minded friends and avoid queued dungeons . Most people are respectful of each other as long as their play style is respected too .

Thunderknuckles

VaranisArano wrote: »

Are you the tank? Carry on. Its a pretty viable tank option as long as you know what you are doing.

Are you the DPS and have the Trifocus passive that turns your heavy attack into a taunt? Yeah, if I'm your tank, I'm gonna be pretty unhappy with that. Ditch that Trifocus passive if you aren't the tank.

Are you the DPS and don't have the Trifocus passive so you aren't taunting? Keep calm and carry on. Ice staff isn't the most efficient option for DPS by a long shot, but as long as you are hitting the right amount of DPS for the level of content you are doing, I'm not going to complain. If you aren't hitting that level of DPS for whatever content you are doing, you might need more practice or simply accept that role-playing is better suited to easier content.

Yeah, agreed. I know my guildies wouldn't boot you, OP. If we were on a super tough vet dungeon we'd try anyway and, if we kept wiping, would just move on.

VilniusNastavnik

If you're doing 45% of the DPS in a 4 man dungeon, and 12% in a trial, you're fine.
Don't worry about people who cry because you are not in the meta. I am experimenting with a high elf / nord half breed mag warden running Winterborn and IA with a full frost load out.

The reason why I say those %ages.

45% is what you should hit in 4 man for "your own weight".
2-4% Tank
6-8% Healer
45% DPS each
Total 100%

10-12% is what you should hit in 12 man for "your own weight"
2% Tank
3-4% Healer
10-12% DPS each.
Total 100%

Tank is prioritizing staying alive and holding the boss with debuff / taunts.
Healer is prioritizing keeping dps alive, buffing, and keeping AOE Dots up / off balance + shard + class specific
DPS the rest of the damage not taken up by the Tank and Healer should be divided equally for "fair share". Some builds are gonna pull more than others. As long as you're not doing 20% DPS in 4 man or 4% in 12 man. Of course, CP and gear also play a part. Someone who i CP 40 will not be expected to pull as much as someone at cap.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

esp1992 wrote: »

So, I’m playing (or should I say RP) as a Magicka Breton Warden Sage known as the “White Warden” in the Aldmeri Dominion with Ice Staves, planning on this build below...

SET 1
Elemental Susceptibility
Winter’s Revenge
Blockade of Frost
Crystallized Slab
Blue Betty
Northern Storm/Eternal Guardian

SET 2
Frost Clench
Winter’s Revenge
Blockade of Frost
Crystallized Slab
Deep Fissure
Northern Storm/Eternal Guardian

However, I seem to see so many people who take this game WAY TOO SERIOUSLY!
Nowadays it’s all about Win, Win, WIN, ditch this, use that, this is horrible, this is better, and so on... (reason why I avoid PVP).

I mean, since when did using an Ice Staff on top of Warden Frost Abilities became a crime? Get so many harsh comments on that!
Whatever happened to getting together with friends for the sake of getting together with friends?
Whatever happened to making a build with your favorite skills from your favorite Class?
What’s the purpose of playing a game or just RPing for the sake of having fun if other people punish you for it?

Am I the ONLY ONE that feels this way?

The bolded logic is not very good logic. How can people in pvp affect your build? Apart from being bitter if they die to you, they don't give a crud what you win, so that statement doesn't have any baring on pvp...

Pve however it does completely, using that build won't allow you in Vet trails, many vet dungeons would be annoying especially if you heavy attack as a DD whilst using ice staff etc.

Not to mention the 'l33t' dps you won't be pulling.

Nemesis7884

the only thing i find to be annoying when playing a tank is when other people heavy frost attack constantly without realizing that they are taunting then start running away from the boss and blame the tank for not holding aggro ^^

ArchMikem

Literally the only thing you can possibly do is take your frost staff into a vet dungeon and spam heavy attacks while using the passive that turns them into Taunts. If you're interfering with the dedicated Tank's job, then that's gonna be a paddlin.

Besides that no bud do whatever you enjoy. I tried having an ice mage dps myself but it was just too underperforming to handle. Then again i use a Khajiit for my main Magsorc dps that goes into Trials. Khajiit are absolutely not BiS for magic, and i don't even have skills into my carnage passive cause it'd be useless, but its all about making it work and enjoying yourself.

Knootewoot

Don't know why You drag pvp into this because in PvP your setup and skills mostly don't matter to any group. PvE on the other hand.....

In pvp people even get commended for using unique builds.

Just saying

Kali_Despoine

FYI if your not winning your loosing. Personally I don't have fun when I'm loosing.

This is a game and sure you can play how you want, but if your heavy attacking (Ice Staff) in group content and not the tank be prepared to feel the consequences of your actions.
Other than BG who really cares what you do in PvP?

I have fun builds on alt toons but I don't use them in any group content. They just hold the group back. I don't want to be that "guy".

If your "role playing" then go role play with other role players who just goof off.

Remember your not the only player in this game. It's called Massive Multi-player for a reason. Don't like it then just stick with single player games.

When you feel heat, a snowflake will melt.
Stop melting all over the place
Grow a pair. (boobs or balls don't care which)

Turelus

Pretty much what Sir Andy said, find people who understand what you're doing and play with them.

As long as your aware of the limitations of what you're doing and don't try to do group content with others who are unaware of your builds you'll be fine. I say this because whilst their abuse isn't right, if you're doing group based content which requires some level of ability (vet dungeons or trials) then people have to know you won't be hitting the expected benchmarks before hand.

AlienatedGoat

Find an RP guild that does content.

I personally don't care unless you're taunting my mobs or hitting with wet noodle DPS.

Ectheliontnacil

I actually use the master ice staff on my warden in pvp. I lose only 2% damage on my spammable and my light attacks. And my blockade of frost and fissure are unaffected, since they're both aoes. The root from ice reach is absolutely amazing, so I would say ice staff is pretty BiS in certain situations for pvp.

esp1992

Kali_Despoine wrote: »

FYI if your not winning your loosing. Personally I don't have fun when I'm loosing.

This is a game and sure you can play how you want, but if your heavy attacking (Ice Staff) in group content and not the tank be prepared to feel the consequences of your actions.
Other than BG who really cares what you do in PvP?

I have fun builds on alt toons but I don't use them in any group content. They just hold the group back. I don't want to be that "guy".

If your "role playing" then go role play with other role players who just goof off.

Remember your not the only player in this game. It's called Massive Multi-player for a reason. Don't like it then just stick with single player games.

When you feel heat, a snowflake will melt.
Stop melting all over the place
Grow a pair. (boobs or balls don't care which)

This topic is on behalf of other people who play for fun, not just me!
And I already know to avoid the Tri-Focus Passive!
YOU BLOATED SKEEVING HORKER!