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Account-wide Achievement tracking
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CromulentForumID✭✭✭✭There are so many cases when I wished I would’ve been able to play on one character and help a group achieve something, but instead had to decline due to limited playtime and the wish to do said achievement on another character instead.
I am not sure ZOS should design around this kind of personal choice / hang up. You absolutely did not have to decline. You could have gotten the achievement on more than one character. There is no game-based advantage to having a certain achievement on a certain character that I can think of.
This is like the achievement hunters in another game who claimed they were forced!! to not play their main character for a year because offline-time "badges" existed.
If there is some kind of need to make sure you collect the most achievements in total, and that means not "doubling up," that is best done on a piece of paper or other personal notepad.
Please don't point to bad design when the game does not conform to your particular preferences or foibles. There's plenty of questionable design elements in this game, but achievements at a character level is not one of them.
That said, it would certainly be nice if our Journal could track what we have already done in game, a "history" section, so players don't try to use the achievement list as a proxy. At least as I remember reading, many or most of the complaints about character-based achievements are driven by wanting to know what you as a player have done in-game.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭LittlePumpkin030 wrote: »Juju_beans wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »this again...
i'm of the opinion nothing should be account wide.
I like the way it currently is set up.
Unlocking dye colors from achievements is account wide and I like that when I go to a dye station those colors are available to all my characters.
Unlocking pets, dye colors and costumes are only cosmetic items and no reason they shouldn't be account wide.
Yes but if you have 2 main chars running through dungeons you have to do all the achievements with both of them to get the cosmetic items. which is sometimes not as easy as it said.
Starting with getting a proper group together.
and there again I think an account wide option for using it as the motifs on the outfits is not an issue, as long as you still can earn every single achievement separately. just that the system registers that you have this achievement at least once with one of your chars.
You only need to do it on ONE character for the cosmetics to unlock on your account.
I'd be ok with Achievements for the whole account being viewable from the Character Select screen, but individual character achievements to stay as they are now.
Because I already have the General Executioner and Treasure Hunter achievements on 3 characters and I'm working on the 4th one for those.
I do view the Achievement pages as "To-Do Lists" for my characters, so I want that to be easily viewable from each character's screen.The Moot Councillor4 -
LittlePumpkin030✭✭✭LittlePumpkin030 wrote: »Juju_beans wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »this again...
i'm of the opinion nothing should be account wide.
I like the way it currently is set up.
Unlocking dye colors from achievements is account wide and I like that when I go to a dye station those colors are available to all my characters.
Unlocking pets, dye colors and costumes are only cosmetic items and no reason they shouldn't be account wide.
Yes but if you have 2 main chars running through dungeons you have to do all the achievements with both of them to get the cosmetic items. which is sometimes not as easy as it said.
Starting with getting a proper group together.
and there again I think an account wide option for using it as the motifs on the outfits is not an issue, as long as you still can earn every single achievement separately. just that the system registers that you have this achievement at least once with one of your chars.
You only need to do it on ONE character for the cosmetics to unlock on your account.
I'd be ok with Achievements for the whole account being viewable from the Character Select screen, but individual character achievements to stay as they are now.
Because I already have the General Executioner and Treasure Hunter achievements on 3 characters and I'm working on the 4th one for those.
I do view the Achievement pages as "To-Do Lists" for my characters, so I want that to be easily viewable from each character's screen.
And as I said before (Please read all the comments) It is not always possible to use the same char if you already have a tank in group (This is just an example) Also I corrected myself (Comments on the first page) that I only mean the achievement to unlock (For example) a Skin, dye, etc. in the same way the motifs unlock every outfit style for every char.0 -
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✭✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »this again...
i'm of the opinion nothing should be account wide.
I agree. That includes champion points. Lots of players like to do everything on each character individually, or else to have the option to play a character a particular way so as to avoid, for example, anything to do with the Thieves Guild or Dark Brotherhood. I would also like some of the bank slots to be individually held with only some of them shared.
However, I accept that lots of other players prefer things to be account-wide. In some respects it reflects a different approach traditionally between console game players and PC RPG players, but not entirely.
The important thing in my view is that a fair compromise is achieved in balancing both approaches, and the present system does just that. Some things are account-wide, some are character-specific, and I see no reason to change that in either direction.
yes, especially champion points.
ok for somethings - bank space, collectables... generally things that give no in game advantage. but the idea of a lvl 3 toon wondering around with an undaunted or flawless title is just plain silly.1 -
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✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Viewable, maybe, but not earned account-wide.
I like the idea of viewable. Being able to select the achievement and have it list the names of characters you have who have earned the achievement would be nice.
this i would go for.0 -
TheShadowScout✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Is it that time of the month again?
...the time where some of the "gimme crowd" ask for everything account wide once more?
No thanks!
And I say that as someone who would benefit -greatly- from more account wide stuff.
But then, I like to see my achievements as a wqay to keep track of whatever this or that character has done or yet has to do, see what skyshards I missed on this character, see what crafting stuff that character yet has to learn, see which location I passsed by with this character, see what dungeon I forgot to clear with that character...
...so account-wide achievements would be a huge pain in the a... hem! ...behind for me.
ESO already has more account wide stuff with the champion sysetem then any other MMO I ever played, so I feel it quite greedy for people to ask for yet more just because they don't have the time or inclination to put in the effort to earn it on multiple characters!
If its important enough for you, spend the time on your alts!
If its not important enough for you, have your alts do without!
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...that being said, what we -could- use was an account overview page, opened from the character selection screen, that shows which character achievend what and when... and maybe some extra rewards for multiple archievements. Like, play through the mainstory with every class, or reach some alliance rank with every alliance, or reach leven 50 with every race or whatever... and handing out new goodies for such, like new pets or tatoos, or costumes or mementos...2 -
LittlePumpkin030✭✭✭TheShadowScout wrote: »Is it that time of the month again?
...the time where some of the "gimme crowd" ask for everything account wide once more?
No thanks!
Please read every comment before putting me into the "gimme crowd"0 -
LittlePumpkin030✭✭✭TheShadowScout wrote: »Is it that time of the month again?
...the time where some of the "gimme crowd" ask for everything account wide once more?
No thanks!
To make it easier for you, here is the comment I actually mean:
I might also say again, that I only mean the unlockable things to be accountwide and not the achievement itself. So for example Char 1 has no death from dungeon 1 and Char 2 has hardmode from dungeon 1 as an achievement. the system registers it (As it already does with motifs for the outfit station) and you unlock the cosmetic item, like skin, dye or what ever it will be in the future. But still the achievement is only earned by the specific characters.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Since Achievements are currently scaled to 1 Character, if they made them account wide, then they would have to scale them for up to 14 characters. So, instead of just opening 1000 chests, you would have to open up to 14,000 chests.Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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LittlePumpkin030✭✭✭Since Achievements are currently scaled to 1 Character, if they made them account wide, then they would have to scale them for up to 14 characters. So, instead of just opening 1000 chests, you would have to open up to 14,000 chests.
Again, this is not what I meant and not what I wrote.0 -
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✭✭✭LittlePumpkin030 wrote: »TheShadowScout wrote: »Is it that time of the month again?
...the time where some of the "gimme crowd" ask for everything account wide once more?
No thanks!
To make it easier for you, here is the comment I actually mean:
I might also say again, that I only mean the unlockable things to be accountwide and not the achievement itself. So for example Char 1 has no death from dungeon 1 and Char 2 has hardmode from dungeon 1 as an achievement. the system registers it (As it already does with motifs for the outfit station) and you unlock the cosmetic item, like skin, dye or what ever it will be in the future. But still the achievement is only earned by the specific characters.
I just want to clarify I am understanding this correctly: you are saying there are dyes that require 2 things to be done and you want to be able to complete the two things on different characters?
So if character 1 does task A and character 2 does task B, they both get the achievement that requires both tasks, unlocking a dye?Edited by DaveMoeDee on March 23, 2018 2:42PM0 -
TheShadowScout✭✭✭✭✭
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That would be a bit more acceptable then... a bit...LittlePumpkin030 wrote: »To make it easier for you, here is the comment I actually mean:
I might also say again, that I only mean the unlockable things to be accountwide and not the achievement itself. So for example Char 1 has no death from dungeon 1 and Char 2 has hardmode from dungeon 1 as an achievement. the system registers it (As it already does with motifs for the outfit station) and you unlock the cosmetic item, like skin, dye or what ever it will be in the future. But still the achievement is only earned by the specific characters.
Still iffy on a general sense, when you apply it to -every- unlock...
...but I could see this done for -some- cases, by incorporating it into an "account overview", and just migrating some of the achievement unlocks there (like dyes would be).
Not the titles tho, and -certainly- not any "do -number- of -whatever-" (since as has been pointed out, those are scaled for one character, not for a horde).
Still "gimme crowd" if you ask me. I mean, just take that one of your characters who has done the harder part of the achievement, and do the easy one again. So maybe it takes a few tries, you know everyone does everything the easy way? If it was easy to do, they wouldn't give out nifty stuff for it, yes?
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✭LittlePumpkin030 wrote: »Dear @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GaryA @ZOS_MichaelM @ZOS_BillE @ZOS_MichaelServotte
As I have now a lot of chars and toons I come across a huge Issue. Achievements.
I have a small Guild and of course I do have 2 Chars I always play with. My main DD and Main Tank. Problem here is when we are a dungeon group and a Tank is missing, I go with my tank, and we achieved for example a no death in a DLC Dungeon, which are known to be not easy on veteran mode.
Then the next day I go with my other char, because this is what is required and we achieved the hard mode achievement on the same dungeon. now I have achieved both hard mode and no death, but still no reward for me as long as I have the chance to go with the same character again and achieve it again. Which is quite hard to do, specially for no death runs.
So my generell request is to make achievements account wide.
As the dungeon rewards are great and a very nice idea, but not always possible to get because the achievements are earned with another character.
So please ZOS do what you always do and listen to your community
All of my guild members have the same request, so we are already 48 People in need of Account wide achievements
Thank you
If you were going for the achievement then why didn't you do both on the same character ?
Having to do it with another character "because it's required" isn't a game requirement. Is that your guild requirement ?
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✭✭✭✭✭LittlePumpkin030 wrote: »Since Achievements are currently scaled to 1 Character, if they made them account wide, then they would have to scale them for up to 14 characters. So, instead of just opening 1000 chests, you would have to open up to 14,000 chests.
Again, this is not what I meant and not what I wrote.
Based on your OP, you would have to have up to 14 No Death runs to get the Achievement. Same thing.
Also, Achievements are how you level Undaunted. If they were to offer account wide achievements for undaunted, then every character you have would be maxed in Undaunted as soon as one got enough achievements.
Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
PakKat "Everything was going well, until I died"
Gary Gravestink "I am glad you died, I needed the help"2 -
LittlePumpkin030✭✭✭seriously people. read before commenting. i am done with this. do what ever you want. If you do not read the whole thing it just doesn't make sense to explain it on every post again. And FFS I was just giving examples to explain what I mean and NOT a freaking specific achievement. It is not that hard to understand!!!
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Gorgoneus✭✭✭Good idea presisting in almost every modern MMO, and lot of stupid, hypocritical posts againts this feature from greedy people who stock in ancient times of corean games designed for single character only. Main reason: "I proud to have..." really proud? Maybe you should be proud of some real deal you did or real life achievements? And let people play as they like and not to grind same and same stuff for every char like a second job? I know the game with all achievements, dyes, skins, currencyes and collections account wide just like PvP rank and PvP stats separeted from PvE, I can create lvl1 character and continue my golden league PvP league with it, just because PLAYER playing thouse game, not characters. And you know what? Nobody have a problems with it, only proses and way to play whatever, whichever and with any character they want. But of course you need a personal opinion, dignity and no "slave bahavior" to admit it. But here I see a snob community woting against every good ideas or game improvements, just because they feeling themself "special" (you know which people called "speciall"?) and afraid to lose thouse unexisting achievements. And ZOSes just using thouse people as justification for some optional paywalls like riding lessons and trait research, and for ingame time sink like motif's farm (I guess only the reason we have all outfit styles account wide is game engine specification for collectables stuff they too lasy to separate). So you're not a speciall, you're just folding screen used as "community voice" to choose only money mayking stuff, and what about chapters you cant get by ESO+? They screwed your opinion up, because they dont care what do you think.
So go ahead, grunts, vote against this feature, prove your existing here.Edited by Gorgoneus on March 23, 2018 3:04PM3 -
LittlePumpkin030✭✭✭LittlePumpkin030 wrote: »Since Achievements are currently scaled to 1 Character, if they made them account wide, then they would have to scale them for up to 14 characters. So, instead of just opening 1000 chests, you would have to open up to 14,000 chests.
Again, this is not what I meant and not what I wrote.
Based on your OP, you would have to have up to 14 No Death runs to get the Achievement. Same thing.
Also, Achievements are how you level Undaunted. If they were to offer account wide achievements for undaunted, then every character you have would be maxed in Undaunted as soon as one got enough achievements.
you are not reading... I said the achievement itself is character based, just that the system is realizing like the same way it does with the motifs that you have an achievement with another character. (or motif) and just simply unlocks what ever the reward for this is for the whole account.
Anyways. As almost everyone of you is not reading I am sick of repeating myself 1000 times.
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If I understand you correctly, your suggestion is that for Achievements like :
Fang Lair Challenger
Complete the listed achievements for Veteran Fang Lair.
Fang Lair Conqueror
Let Bygones Be Bygones
Not a Statistic
The Quick and the Dead
Which awards the Worm Wizard Personality,
You would like to complete the 4 listed achievements on different characters?
So Let Bygones Be Bygones and Not a Statistic on one character and the other two on a different character, and still have it count towards the completion of Fang Lair Challenger so you could get the Worm Wizard Personality.
Do I have that right? If that's right, you might want to update your original post with a scpeific example of the type of achievement you want. As you can see, there are a lot of generic "I want account wide achievement" posts and without an example of your problem, I struggled to figure out what you were asking for.0 -
Sinolai✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »It makes no sense for combat related achievement to be account wide with the way they are set up in this game.Getting a no death run on your tank is different from getting it on your healer is different from getting it on you damage dealer. It takes different skills and different tactics for different characters even though you are the same player.
yet I think it would be more just if you get the skins ect. even if HM is as tank, no death as DD and speed as Healer. It is still you as a player who did the achievement. In addition, most achievements are just plan boring to grind on more than 1 character (sell stolen goods for 1 000 000 gold, open 1000 chests, harvest 10000 crafting materials) and these would be much better if they were additive.
I'd say the best would be account wide achevements that record when you get said achievement for the first time and then add character names below of which you have done the achievement/how much they have contributed to it.Edited by Sinolai on March 23, 2018 3:05PM1 -
LittlePumpkin030✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »If I understand you correctly, your suggestion is that for Achievements like :
Fang Lair Challenger
Complete the listed achievements for Veteran Fang Lair.
Fang Lair Conqueror
Let Bygones Be Bygones
Not a Statistic
The Quick and the Dead
Which awards the Worm Wizard Personality,
You would like to complete the 4 listed achievements on different characters?
So Let Bygones Be Bygones and Not a Statistic on one character and the other two on a different character, and still have it count towards the completion of Fang Lair Challenger so you could get the Worm Wizard Personality.
Do I have that right? If that's right, you might want to update your original post with a scpeific example of the type of achievement you want. As you can see, there are a lot of generic "I want account wide achievement" posts and without an example of your problem, I struggled to figure out what you were asking for.
yes thats exactly what I mean.0 -
LittlePumpkin030✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »If I understand you correctly, your suggestion is that for Achievements like :
Fang Lair Challenger
Complete the listed achievements for Veteran Fang Lair.
Fang Lair Conqueror
Let Bygones Be Bygones
Not a Statistic
The Quick and the Dead
Which awards the Worm Wizard Personality,
You would like to complete the 4 listed achievements on different characters?
So Let Bygones Be Bygones and Not a Statistic on one character and the other two on a different character, and still have it count towards the completion of Fang Lair Challenger so you could get the Worm Wizard Personality.
Do I have that right? If that's right, you might want to update your original post with a scpeific example of the type of achievement you want. As you can see, there are a lot of generic "I want account wide achievement" posts and without an example of your problem, I struggled to figure out what you were asking for.
I just copied your example as this is pretty much exactly what I mean. Not the Achievement itself more like the counting towards the "unlock the Skin" thingi or dye or what ever special reward it is you get from completing several achievements.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭LittlePumpkin030 wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »If I understand you correctly, your suggestion is that for Achievements like :
Fang Lair Challenger
Complete the listed achievements for Veteran Fang Lair.
Fang Lair Conqueror
Let Bygones Be Bygones
Not a Statistic
The Quick and the Dead
Which awards the Worm Wizard Personality,
You would like to complete the 4 listed achievements on different characters?
So Let Bygones Be Bygones and Not a Statistic on one character and the other two on a different character, and still have it count towards the completion of Fang Lair Challenger so you could get the Worm Wizard Personality.
Do I have that right? If that's right, you might want to update your original post with a scpeific example of the type of achievement you want. As you can see, there are a lot of generic "I want account wide achievement" posts and without an example of your problem, I struggled to figure out what you were asking for.
I just copied your example as this is pretty much exactly what I mean. Not the Achievement itself more like the counting towards the "unlock the Skin" thingi or dye or what ever special reward it is you get from completing several achievements.
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LittlePumpkin030✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »LittlePumpkin030 wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »If I understand you correctly, your suggestion is that for Achievements like :
Fang Lair Challenger
Complete the listed achievements for Veteran Fang Lair.
Fang Lair Conqueror
Let Bygones Be Bygones
Not a Statistic
The Quick and the Dead
Which awards the Worm Wizard Personality,
You would like to complete the 4 listed achievements on different characters?
So Let Bygones Be Bygones and Not a Statistic on one character and the other two on a different character, and still have it count towards the completion of Fang Lair Challenger so you could get the Worm Wizard Personality.
Do I have that right? If that's right, you might want to update your original post with a scpeific example of the type of achievement you want. As you can see, there are a lot of generic "I want account wide achievement" posts and without an example of your problem, I struggled to figure out what you were asking for.
I just copied your example as this is pretty much exactly what I mean. Not the Achievement itself more like the counting towards the "unlock the Skin" thingi or dye or what ever special reward it is you get from completing several achievements.
Sounds good!
thank you. I just give up hope of anyone being able to understand me
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Joshuagm1991✭✭✭I've gotta say. When Warden came out I was bummed to have to do it all over again. Lol
I just felt as though i wasted a lot of time. I won't ever do fishing achievements again.0 -
Shadowmaster✭✭✭✭ZOS I totally disagree with the OP please do not change this.
Signed, dude with 26k achievements on 1 toon who doesn't want to redo Thieves guild and DB on my main.0 -
Inig0✭✭✭✭Don't. I like to hear "how did you do vMA on your tank?". And some of my friends are proud of completing vAS HM on their stamina NB khajiits. Achievements are good as they are
How about you gain the achievement points and achievement unlocks account wide but can only equip the titles earned on the characters that they are earned on.
Conversely
Ive spent countless hours in vashm to get Immortal Redeemer which i got on my tank. Had i spent the same amount of time on a dps toon i would have been able to get it all the same.
I would love to be able to rock that title on my pvp sorc and *** on the scrubs with that title but i cant because i was forced to pick tank because everyone else wants to pew pew.GM: Mechanically Challenged
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✭✭✭✭✭Not sure if I can agree with achievement progessions being unlocked by different characters doing different parts of the achievement.
Dyes and costumes already unlock for the account once you complete it on one characterBeta tester November 20130 -
obscure7✭✭✭✭If my fresh level 3 character can wear the Emperor's Regalia while sporting the Worm Wizard Personality, my tank should be able to share achievements with my DD and healer.
This exact same issue came up a while ago with a guildie, and we had to do vet Falkreath Hold AGAIN to get the skin for them on their "correct character." It diminished our fun by a lot, it took away a bit of the adrenaline and luster, and in the end was anti-climactic.PC NA1 -
Gothrock✭✭✭Atm it is impossible to obtain all achievements or even high amount of them having separate pve character, pvp character or, for example, crafter. And this is bad design for a game, where even double spec (fast full respec) does not exist.
And believe me, if you did AS HM or HoF HM as tank, and now you want to go there as dd, noone will tell you "no man, you cannot go with us because you have that achievement on your DK with SnB". Why the hell cant you say that your DK was dd even today? Why cannot you respec to magblade to complete VMA no-death and link that achievement as stamblade?
What a nonsense.Edited by Gothrock on March 23, 2018 4:25PM0 -
LittlePumpkin030✭✭✭Atm it is impossible to obtain all achievements or even high amount of them having separate pve character, pvp character or, for example, crafter. And this is bad design for a game, where even double spec (fast full respec) does not exist.
And believe me, if you did AS HM or HoF HM as tank, and now you want to go there as dd, no one will tell you "no man, you cannot go with us because you have that achievement on you DK with SnB". Why the hell cant you say that your DK was dd even today? Why cannot you respec to magblade to complete VMA no-death and link that achievement as stamblade?
What a nonsense.
even worse. it is possible to copy an achievement out of from another player and link it in chat and it looks like it is yours.1