Should all new DLC be included in ESO Plus as advertised

SecretJoy · March 2018

No expansion packs are the way of the future and we should be willing to pay for them in addition to our ESO Plus

KillingUGirl wrote: »

Radinyn wrote: »

First option is wrong it isn't advertised that it includes all new content, it just says DLCs.

Yes by it’s very definition Morrowind and Summerset both are downloadable content. Simple solution reword their terms to state not including exapnsion packs and then they can screw us for how ever much they want and we can’t argue about it. Simple solution don’t say something is included when it isn’t.

So by your logic, you should get everything in the Crown Store for free since it's all "downloadable content".

Kingslayer513 · March 2018

KillingUGirl wrote: »

Kingslayer513 wrote: »

Where's the poll option for "OP is misinformed and confused"?

DLC isn't going anywhere. You are still going to get, at minimum, 3 DLC per year included with the ESO+ subscription. A new chapter expansion comes out once a year, not every 6 months as OP said. DLC is not being replaced by chapter expansions. None of this information is new either, it's been the same since Morrowind.

Also we literally just got a new DLC that's included with ESO+, so I don't understand this paranoia about replacing DLC now that we got the new chapter announcement that we were all expecting.

No not misinformed according to their terms I as an Eso Plus member have acces to ALL Downloadable Content. This is misleading and should be corrected if they are going to realease new downlaoble content that isn’t included in that definition just because they changed the name to exapnsion. It’s still DlC , so no not all DLC is included stop being so deceptive and just adjust what is actually included accordingly and there would be no issues.

Okay well if you want to get technical, ZOS has stated that since you can go to the store and buy a physical copy of the chapter, it doesn't qualify as DLC. And I don't really disagree with that. That would be like saying any Steam game is "DLC" because you buy the whole game digitally on Steam, despite also being able to go purchase a physical copy of the game at a store. In ESO, DLC is content that is exclusively downloadable. And you're still getting loads of DLC with an ESO+ subscription.

SheepdogPaladin · March 2018

In my opinion, I feel that a subscription to the game should include everything the game has to offer. Period.

But microtransactions are the way of today because suckers people are willing to pay.

Kingslayer513 · March 2018

KillingUGirl wrote: »

Radinyn wrote: »

First option is wrong it isn't advertised that it includes all new content, it just says DLCs.

Yes by it’s very definition Morrowind and Summerset both are downloadable content. Simple solution reword their terms to state not including exapnsion packs and then they can screw us for how ever much they want and we can’t argue about it. Simple solution don’t say something is included when it isn’t.

No, the fact that you can go to the store and buy a physical copy of the expansion means that by definition it is NOT DLC. Just because something also exists in digital form doesn't automatically make it "DLC".

KillingUGirl · March 2018

ESO Plus should include all New content as advertised

Rjizzle09 wrote: »

Man this again. Even people with absolutely no income can go mow some grass and get enough money to pay for this chapter. Are people really that salty at having to buy an expansion/chapter? We had this discussion last year let it rest. The employees there have to get paid somehow just like we do at our jobs. Eso plus shouldnt even cover chapters at at all because 15 bucks for the stuff it brings is really cheap considering what all goes into developing in games. Just pay the money and enjoy the game or dont? If it bothers people then jist simply do not buy it and not ruin it for others who dont mind paying.

Just because your willing to pay for something that Actually should be included already doesn’t mean we all want to. Not all of us are as frivolous with throwing our money around and actually want companies to be accountable for the contracts that we enter into with. When they are In violation of said contract I’m not the type to just accept it . If someone said I’m going to paint all of your house walls for $500 a then charged you $5,000 afterwards and said oh sorry parts of your house walls are considered exapnsion WalIs I doubt you would just go along with it.

jssriot · March 2018

No expansion packs are the way of the future and we should be willing to pay for them in addition to our ESO Plus

The sub right now is a bargain. I don't want to see it go up in price. Expansions are optional. Keeping them separate from the sub allows the sub to remain affordable and give players the option to not shell out of the expansions if they don't want.

One way or another we will have to pay for new content. The way it is now give you the most options.

KillingUGirl · March 2018

ESO Plus should include all New content as advertised

Simple solution, if you can’t actualy stand behind what you promise then change the wording to be better reflect what it is that you are actually providing. Not really that difficult.
companies could avoid a ton of issues with just a little common sense.

JD2013 · March 2018

Salty salt is salty.

These forums are such fun. New thing gets announced, screaming happens. Dies down.

New thing gets announced. Screaming. Dies down.

New thing gets announced. Screaming. Dies down.

And the circle has repeated since the beginning, and so shall it be til the end.

You are under no obligation to buy anything. So don’t buy it if you’re so dead against it. Fin.

Radinyn · March 2018

No expansion packs are the way of the future and we should be willing to pay for them in addition to our ESO Plus

KillingUGirl wrote: »

Radinyn wrote: »

First option is wrong it isn't advertised that it includes all new content, it just says DLCs.

Yes by it’s very definition Morrowind and Summerset both are downloadable content. Simple solution reword their terms to state not including exapnsion packs and then they can screw us for how ever much they want and we can’t argue about it. Simple solution don’t say something is included when it isn’t.

I don't feel screwed we get much more than from the regular DLCs

Yamenstein · March 2018

DLCs are included for ESO plus members. Chapters aren't.

Honestly, if ESO wasn't make the profits they are then we would be getting a lot less than what we are per year. At the end of the day ZOS/Bethesda are a business, and like any business it needs profits to pay bills and appease the higher ups. If they didn't then they wouldn't last for long. Thankfully ZOS isn't greedy much like other businesses out there. I don't need to name names but we all know of one at least.

Not only that but your $15 a month subscription gets you $15 worth of crowns already plus other goodies. Keep that in mind when you start acting greedy yourself and expecting more and more.

Much like tuning gameplay for ESO there is a balance for their business model.

xaraan · March 2018

I'm fine with expansion packs, but we are supposed to get 4 piece of content a year with ESO plus and seems like that's become 3 now b/c the expansion we pay for is the fourth. So just give us the fourth.

SecretJoy · March 2018

No expansion packs are the way of the future and we should be willing to pay for them in addition to our ESO Plus

KillingUGirl wrote: »

Simple solution, if you can’t actualy stand behind what you promise then change the wording to be better reflect what it is that you are actually providing. Not really that difficult.
companies could avoid a ton of issues with just a little common sense.

It's "common sense" to understand that the new Chapters do not qualify as exclusively downloadable content, therefore they do not fall under what is included in ESO+ according to ZOS.

Wreuntzylla · March 2018

ZoS is winning because the ancestral knowledge is slowly seeping out of the game.

In a public forum, ZoS was asked a specific question about what "DLC" meant and gave a specific answer. Morrowind violated that answer.

They did what they did with knowledge of what they were doing. The reason they get away with it is that everybody will puff up their chest on the forums, but do nothing else. No significant number of complaints to the FCC or to state AG's, and no lawsuits. It's player apathy that let's them win.

Rjizzle09 wrote: »

Man this again. Even people with absolutely no income can go mow some grass and get enough money to pay for this chapter. Are people really that salty at having to buy an expansion/chapter? We had this discussion last year let it rest. The employees there have to get paid somehow just like we do at our jobs. Eso plus shouldnt even cover chapters at at all because 15 bucks for the stuff it brings is really cheap considering what all goes into developing in games. Just pay the money and enjoy the game or dont? If it bothers people then jist simply do not buy it and not ruin it for others who dont mind paying.

Here isanother reason they will win. The fraction of people playing this game that actually understand what "ethics" means is passingly small. It's not about money. Some people playing this game could put together a decent bid to buy the company...

MasterSpatula wrote: »

... But now, just as then, I would be completely okay with it if they would just admit they changed the deal instead of using semantics to claim they didn't do so.

Exactly.

We are supporting shysters that thought we were dumb enough to believe that there is any difference between a chapter and what they said we would get as subscribers prior to Morrowind. Based on this thread, they were half right...

Kingslayer513 · March 2018

Go to the "Join ESO Plus" page and read what is written about DLC:

¹Access to DLC game packs available in the Crown Store and character progression bonuses available for the duration of membership. Any progress made using the progression bonuses during the time of membership will remain.

There ya go, it's explicitly stated and clear. All DLC packs in the Crown Store. Not chapter expansions that do not exist in the crown store and can be purchased both digitally and physically. No ambiguity at all.

snailbrick · March 2018

I never subscribed to ESO Plus and always purchased DLC with crowns, (Orsinium, Thieves Guild, Dark Brotherhood, Dungeon DLCs etc.) I have purchased everything this way. Before Morrowind came out I loaded up on crowns to prep for the next years DLC then they change the entire way they have done business, requiring you to pay in cash instead of crowns. This really pissed me off because there was not enough warning on this change. Plus instead of just owning it and clearly stating the honest intentions behind calling DLC a "Chapter" now, they tried to bs everyone saying that this content was so much bigger than all the previous DLCs. This was also untrue because Orsinium seemed to be way larger than Morrowind.

I think what happened was they ruined the value of their own Crown currency. They foolishly gave away crowns to ESO Plus members (1500 a month), and many ESO plus members had tons of crowns stored up. So if they come out with the new expansion or chapter and charge crowns for it, they will not make any extra money off of ESO Plus members because several of them most likely had enough crowns saved up to purchase it. They also chose to change the definition of which content was included with the sub, which was previously all future content. They had to backtrack on that and pull the rug out from under all the long-time subs. What they should have done was given away plus points exclusive to members for use to buy exclusive store items for plus members only. Crowns would have still been only available by purchasing with cash.

It was a very clumsy way of handling everything. I believe they found a way to *** everyone off, except for the people who are the "take my money now" kind of crowd. I have no problem with paying for new content, just get your crap straight. They unnecessarily complicated things.

jwjackson5674 · March 2018

alanmatillab16_ESO wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i paid $79.99 at launch, and again at morrowind and again and again now several times.
i also have subbed monthly since beta.
i should have access for life, not be forced to repeatedly pay and paY and PAY AND PAY!

Have you never played other subscription based games such as WoW or Lotro? you pay for expansions in those too even if you are subscribed.

Yes. I used to play FFXI and you had to pay for every expansion, along with a REQUIRED monthly sub. This is no different to me.

potirondb16_ESO · March 2018

If expansion packs are the way of they future the monthly price of ESO Plus should be lowered to reflect the lack of new content.

We do have to consider the massive base game modification that comes with every DLC which are also something you will need money in order to achieve but overall I do think that, even if I don't fully agree with the survey I do have to say I was surprise to notice that there was no free Eso+ membership for a month with it and that is actually a bummer.

Wreuntzylla · March 2018

SecretJoy wrote: »

KillingUGirl wrote: »

Simple solution, if you can’t actualy stand behind what you promise then change the wording to be better reflect what it is that you are actually providing. Not really that difficult.
companies could avoid a ton of issues with just a little common sense.

It's "common sense" to understand that the new Chapters do not qualify as exclusively downloadable content, therefore they do not fall under what is included in ESO+ according to ZOS.

Stefirex · March 2018

KillingUGirl wrote: »

Is included DLC a thing of the past? If so shouldn’t ESO plus price be dropped to reflect the lack of new content?

This ship has sailed.

Colecovision · March 2018

I wonder if the people claiming it’s not a dlc because ZoS calls it a “chapter” realize that the seats in their “pre-owned” car have been farted on many many times.

Cêltic421 · March 2018

If expansion packs are the way of they future the monthly price of ESO Plus should be lowered to reflect the lack of new content.

Yes I think it should only if you buy it from PlayStation store Xbox store or steam or whatever just for the digital copy then yes I think it should be free but if you try going for physical collector's edition of course you're going to have to pay for that that should be extra and if you do get the physical Edition then you don't have to worry about being a plus to play it fuel + relapse you can still play Summer Set Plus Morrowind since that will be included on the physical disk if I'm not wrong but

FlaviusPK · March 2018

ESO Plus should include all New content as advertised

I don't care how devs call new chapters. Names are not important. New content is new content and I pay for eso+ to have my game updated and fresh, to just comfortly play without any disturbance with messages about blocked content and so.

I am not happy with ZOS constantly searching new ways of taking money instead of putting more effort into fixing old troubles and getting a reputation so people will want to pay and support the world and universe they love and people who are making it, instead of forcing them to.

WuffyCerulei · March 2018

This was discussed last year, and I just don't care. If they gave ESO plus members another perk tho... That would be sweet.

kargen27 · March 2018

KillingUGirl wrote: »

Kingslayer513 wrote: »

Where's the poll option for "OP is misinformed and confused"?

DLC isn't going anywhere. You are still going to get, at minimum, 3 DLC per year included with the ESO+ subscription. A new chapter expansion comes out once a year, not every 6 months as OP said. DLC is not being replaced by chapter expansions. None of this information is new either, it's been the same since Morrowind.

Also we literally just got a new DLC that's included with ESO+, so I don't understand this paranoia about replacing DLC now that we got the new chapter announcement that we were all expecting.

No not misinformed according to their terms I as an Eso Plus member have acces to ALL Downloadable Content. This is misleading and should be corrected if they are going to realease new downlaoble content that isn’t included in that definition just because they changed the name to exapnsion. It’s still DlC , so no not all DLC is included stop being so deceptive and just adjust what is actually included accordingly and there would be no issues.

I'm voting misinformed. You have access to all downloadable content available in the crown store. You can find the agreement on their site.

ADarklore · March 2018

No expansion packs are the way of the future and we should be willing to pay for them in addition to our ESO Plus

Someone PLEASE post the 'beating the dead horse meme'!!

Let's also keep in mind this 'chapter' is available in a 'non-downloadable' format- the PHYSICAL edition, something other DLC's are NOT. Further, ZOS in their announcement today said the game is doing extremely well and they are happy with where the game is... which means they really don't care what people here think, they are successful and to them it shows that those who whine and complain don't impact their numbers. Even with all their, "I'm quitting" and "I'm unsubbing" rants. I'm sure they make more in Crown Crate sales to more than offset those who leave or unsub anyway.

dennissomb16_ESO · March 2018

ESO Plus should include all New content as advertised

It is pretty simple from the Zenimax point of view. They know that a majority of the active player base will pay for the new "chapter" no matter the ESO plus concept. There will be a small percentage who leave the game but there are always some who leave over time.

For me it is simple. ESO plus no longer carries any value with this new model of chapters (since morrowind) so there is no real reason for me to subscribe anymore. I imagine I am in the minority however.

Slick_007 · March 2018

since morrowind and summerset have physical editions and the others dont, they are not DLC.

Anotherone773 · March 2018

Lets look at this logically. If:

* You had/have ESO+ already, you considered it valuable enough to purchase with the content it had at the time of purchase. Anything added after that point is a bonus. If you buy things with the hope that they will have more value later than they do now, ZOS has some crates they want to sell you.

* You didnt have ESO+ already, you either didnt deem it worth purchasing or couldnt afford it.

If the chapter is not worthy of your wallet, dont buy it. If it is, buy it. If you think it should be free, i think you should also work for free. If you think it should be considered a DLC, understand that:

1) You dont even know everything that is in it yet including how many cities or the scope of those cities.
2)Hews Bane AND The Gold Coast are about the 2/3rds the size of Auridon, together. Auridon would fit in Summerset 2.5 times. Or about 2/3rds the size of Cyrodiil. And if you ever horsed your way across cyrodiil, you know it takes forever and two days to get across it.
3)Most DLCs cost, if you buy them for crowns, $15-$30 EACH. In that respect your getting significantly more than a DLC for slightly more money.
4) ESO+ only gets you access to the DLCs while active, You could pump $300 into it and for whatever reason not have ESO+ one day and lose all that access. Chapters are once and done, one up front cost and its yours forever. Wasnt there a bunch of whine threads about things not just having an "upfront cost" that you could decide if you wanted it or not pay a flat fee and own it for life? Now you have that with a chapter and your complaining you want it the other way around. Make up your bloody mind.

People just like to complain. More whine in the threads about Summerset, than Napa Valley. I think ZOS would make a fortune selling boxes of tissues in the crown store.

Graydon · March 2018

Gosh nothing biased about those poll choices.

ESO is the biggest bang for your buck when it comes to hours and hours of entertainment. Such an incredible value.

Don’t want to pay for the product? Then don’t. There are no bill collectors, nobody blackmailing you, nor threatening your life over purchasing the dlc.

Show your displeasure with your wallet!

The choice is yours!

DaveMoeDee · March 2018

Why are people arguing about the definition of DLC? THAT DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE!

ZOS already change the language to "Crown Store DLC". Summerset will not be available in the crown store.

This debate is so stupid in 2018. I argued hard that it was a bait and switch when Morrowind came out. It isn't now. They already told us over a year ago that chapters won't be included in the sub. Is the language confuse? Yes. I can see new players complaining that the language was confusing. But chapters are NOT Crown Store DLC, so there is nothing to argue about anymore.

Aliniel wrote: »

For the past year, ever since I stopped playing ESO due to "New Chapter" idioticy, I've been playing WoW. With WoW, you always know what you pay for. Always get precisely what you were promised at the beginning and they never try to screw you later. I've been in ESO (with pauses) since the beta in February, 2014. They changed their business model a few times.
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This is a fair criticism.