Should all new DLC be included in ESO Plus as advertised

Elsonso · March 2018

KillingUGirl wrote: »

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

ZOS already explained this back when others brought this up with Morrowind.

Recremen wrote: »

We went over this last year with Morrowind. ESO Plus was initially sold to us as granting access to all four (FOUR) DLC per year. We got several quarters without a DLC, and now are permanently getting one less DLC per year due to the expansion pack model they're going with. ESO Plus has, instead of decreasing in price, gotten new systems associated with it to make up for the lost DLC.

Of course, we need new systems for ESO Plus every year to continue to make up for the loss. Hanging their hat on the craft bag isn't an option, that replaces one DLC at best. So I would recommend keeping up the pressure to make more ESO Plus systems and keep it an attractive offering. My personal recommendation for this year : no gold cost at the outfitting station for ESO Plus members.

So we should just accept it ? The only reason they get away is because people let them. The point here is misrepresentation. Quoting their Terms “ ESO Plus member will have access to all DLC content, game packs “ to me “all” means “all”. Thy should change their terms of service.

Summerset blurs the distinction between DLC and Chapter a lot more than Morrowind did. Summerset feels a lot more like a big DLC than Morrowind, which at least included a new class and PVP mode.

jedtb16_ESO · March 2018

Aliniel wrote: »

For the past year, ever since I stopped playing ESO due to "New Chapter" idioticy, I've been playing WoW. With WoW, you always know what you pay for. Always get precisely what you were promised at the beginning and they never try to screw you later. I've been in ESO (with pauses) since the beta in February, 2014. They changed their business model a few times.

First you had to pay monthly to play. This was cool as it kept kids away and you knew you're ALWAYS gonna get access to EVERYTHING.

Then they changed it so you had to buy the game and DLC but didn't have to play monthly. Also OK. I kept paying and buying occasional cosmetics with the crowns I got.

And then they spit into our faces and laughed all the while doing it. "Chapters" are so different and better you have to pay for them. ***! They are as good as Orsinium and Imperial City were!

All they care for lately is money. Whole Bethesda... Milking money from Skyrim by re-releasing it over and over again for 7 years. Overpricing all the cosmetic stuff in ESO (which I don't really care about). And then asking MORE money for certain DLCs because they CAN.

Sad thing is, even though they are like EA Jr., people keep trusting them and worshiping them like Gods. What happened with Battlefront II should happen with ESO as well. But it never will because most people here simply don't care. I guess majority of players are grown-ups with enough money on their hands and don't care if they pay a bit more for a game they play. This is everyone's choice and right of course, I won't go there. But you're being milked people, and the more you don't care the more milked you'll be.

i would not call..... 25p a day for the sub.... being milked.

toting it all up over a four year period, including morrowind and summerset, it's around 30 odd pence per day.

milked?

nah.

eso_lags · March 2018

ESO Plus should include all New content as advertised

Where the option for them STOP shitting out content and fix the performance. Personally i feel cheated by this but more i feel cheated that if i want to even play this trash bag game i have to buy this chapter.. New skill line? Jewelry crafting? Ya i have to buy it to stay competitive. And this is why they'll never fix this game. Trash.

fgoron2000 · March 2018

I guess I'm OK with the idea of new "chapters" incurring a cost outside of the subscription, but I think it's overpriced, especially for existing users, and double-especially for subscribers. I haven't checked the price yet for the digi-upgrade for Summerset, but that will determine my decision whether or not to purchase. Last year Morrowind was a bit of a special situation, so I got it even at the digital upgrade price of $40, but I won't pay nearly as much this year.

I think I would have preferred Hammerfell, except that a good deal of it is already in the game - Alik'r, part of Bangkorai, Craglorn and Stros M'Kai. Not knowing lore & geography that well without using the uesp.net website, I don't know what other areas make up the rest of Hammerfell. Maybe it'll be covered sometime in an actual DLC, but time will tell...

KillingUGirl · March 2018

ESO Plus should include all New content as advertised

SecretJoy wrote: »

KillingUGirl wrote: »

SecretJoy wrote: »

KillingUGirl wrote: »

Is included DLC a thing of the past? If so shouldn’t ESO plus price be dropped to reflect the lack of new content?
Is this the new MO for ESO? The point of paying for ESO Plus every month is to assure access to all dlc apparently this has changed? I mean with Morrowind and now Summerset? Are they not making enough money lol. They really need to change what’s included in the ESO Plus membership at least and remove they all new dlc part. Or will the new terminology for DLC now be “expansion pack” lol. If so we will be purchasing a new expansion every 6 months and eso plus will be an expensive crafting bag.

Morrowind and Summerset aren't DLC, they're new "chapters". You still get access to DLC like Thieves Guild, Dark Brotherhood, Orsinium, etc. for free.

The definition of DLC in gaming to my knowledge has always been “downloadable Content”. Are Morrowind and Summerset not “downloadable Content”? At least chnage ESO Plus then not say they include all downloadable content. Call what you what it is what it is.

Alright, using your definition of "downloadable content." All of what Zenimax considers DLCs are exactly that, solely downloadable. Both Morrowind and Summerset have physical and digital purchase options, as they are new chapters or what other games refer to as expansion packs. So no, they are not "downloadable content."

So I cannot go to the Xbox store today or. Wen available, and “Download” a copy of Summerset? If I can download and expansion pack or whatever they wish to call it to get people to spend more money, then yes by its very definition that content is DLC and should be included in ESO plus According to their terms. They really need to change how The ESO plus membership is worded And they would alleviate these issues.

SecretJoy · March 2018

No expansion packs are the way of the future and we should be willing to pay for them in addition to our ESO Plus

fgoron2000 wrote: »

I guess I'm OK with the idea of new "chapters" incurring a cost outside of the subscription, but I think it's overpriced, especially for existing users, and double-especially for subscribers. I haven't checked the price yet for the digi-upgrade for Summerset, but that will determine my decision whether or not to purchase. Last year Morrowind was a bit of a special situation, so I got it even at the digital upgrade price of $40, but I won't pay nearly as much this year.

I think I would have preferred Hammerfell, except that a good deal of it is already in the game - Alik'r, part of Bangkorai, Craglorn and Stros M'Kai. Not knowing lore & geography that well without using the uesp.net website, I don't know what other areas make up the rest of Hammerfell. Maybe it'll be covered sometime in an actual DLC, but time will tell...

The standard digital upgrade is $29.99, while the collector's edition upgrade is $39.99.

PlagueSD · March 2018

No expansion packs are the way of the future and we should be willing to pay for them in addition to our ESO Plus

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

KillingUGirl wrote: »

Is included DLC a thing of the past? If so shouldn’t ESO plus price be dropped to reflect the lack of new content?
Is this the new MO for ESO? The point of paying for ESO Plus every month is to assure access to all dlc apparently this has changed? I mean with Morrowind and now Summerset? Are they not making enough money lol. They really need to change what’s included in the ESO Plus membership at least and remove the statement of having access to ALL new DLC, legally that is misleading. Or will the new terminology for DLC now be “expansion pack” lol. If so we will be purchasing a new expansion every 6 months and eso plus will be an expensive crafting bag. I mean I think $180 a year cover any new expansions.

you're a bit late with this.... morrowind happened a year ago. zos explained the business/release model back then too.

i'm ok with it.

Yep. Same here.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · March 2018

This again. Chapters are DLC. ZOS just chose to call them chapters so they could charge more money by betraying subscribers. They never really "explained" anything. If you want the full story, check my signature. We've beat this horse to death already but I've kept the discussion linked in my sig since Moronwind, because I knew it was going to come up again with Bummerset.

MasterSpatula · March 2018

I don’t care I just love spending money

You know, I'm nearly okay with it at this point, even though I was pretty steamed at the Morrowind announcement.

But now, just as then, I would be completely okay with it if they would just admit they changed the deal instead of using semantics to claim they didn't do so.

KillingUGirl · March 2018

ESO Plus should include all New content as advertised

Turelus wrote: »

OP cast Undo and sent us back to Morrowind announcement discussions.

Better then just sweeping it under the rug in hopes that it goes away.

KillingUGirl · March 2018

ESO Plus should include all New content as advertised

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

KillingUGirl wrote: »

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

ZOS already explained this back when others brought this up with Morrowind.

Recremen wrote: »

We went over this last year with Morrowind. ESO Plus was initially sold to us as granting access to all four (FOUR) DLC per year. We got several quarters without a DLC, and now are permanently getting one less DLC per year due to the expansion pack model they're going with. ESO Plus has, instead of decreasing in price, gotten new systems associated with it to make up for the lost DLC.

Of course, we need new systems for ESO Plus every year to continue to make up for the loss. Hanging their hat on the craft bag isn't an option, that replaces one DLC at best. So I would recommend keeping up the pressure to make more ESO Plus systems and keep it an attractive offering. My personal recommendation for this year : no gold cost at the outfitting station for ESO Plus members.

So we should just accept it ? The only reason they get away is because people let them. The point here is misrepresentation. Quoting their Terms “ ESO Plus member will have access to all DLC content, game packs “ to me “all” means “all”. Thy should change their terms of service.

Words means nothing when it comes to situations like these. Speak with your wallet instead.

Just keep in mind that neither option has a high probability of swaying a company to change its ways.

Actually words mean a lot and according to their words they are direct violation of their terms of service. Legally they could be held accountable. Just change the wording to what Is included then if that’s they way they are going to be problem solved.

SecretJoy · March 2018

No expansion packs are the way of the future and we should be willing to pay for them in addition to our ESO Plus

KillingUGirl wrote: »

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

KillingUGirl wrote: »

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

ZOS already explained this back when others brought this up with Morrowind.

Recremen wrote: »

We went over this last year with Morrowind. ESO Plus was initially sold to us as granting access to all four (FOUR) DLC per year. We got several quarters without a DLC, and now are permanently getting one less DLC per year due to the expansion pack model they're going with. ESO Plus has, instead of decreasing in price, gotten new systems associated with it to make up for the lost DLC.

Of course, we need new systems for ESO Plus every year to continue to make up for the loss. Hanging their hat on the craft bag isn't an option, that replaces one DLC at best. So I would recommend keeping up the pressure to make more ESO Plus systems and keep it an attractive offering. My personal recommendation for this year : no gold cost at the outfitting station for ESO Plus members.

So we should just accept it ? The only reason they get away is because people let them. The point here is misrepresentation. Quoting their Terms “ ESO Plus member will have access to all DLC content, game packs “ to me “all” means “all”. Thy should change their terms of service.

Words means nothing when it comes to situations like these. Speak with your wallet instead.

Just keep in mind that neither option has a high probability of swaying a company to change its ways.

Actually words mean a lot and according to their words they are direct violation of their terms of service. Legally they could be held accountable. Just change the wording to what Is included then if that’s they way they are going to be problem solved.

Well, that's more an argument about what is considered "DLC", since that is what is included according to their terminology.

As of now, Morrowind and Summerset are not considered "DLC" in ESO, ergo, they're not included.

Kingslayer513 · March 2018

Where's the poll option for "OP is misinformed and confused"?

DLC isn't going anywhere. You are still going to get, at minimum, 3 DLC per year included with the ESO+ subscription. A new chapter expansion comes out once a year, not every 6 months as OP said. DLC is not being replaced by chapter expansions. None of this information is new either, it's been the same since Morrowind.

Also we literally just got a new DLC that's included with ESO+, so I don't understand this paranoia about replacing DLC now that we got the new chapter announcement that we were all expecting.

jedtb16_ESO · March 2018

Kingslayer513 wrote: »

Where's the poll option for "OP is misinformed and confused"?

DLC isn't going anywhere. You are still going to get, at minimum, 3 DLC per year included with the ESO+ subscription. A new chapter expansion comes out once a year, not every 6 months as OP said. DLC is not being replaced by chapter expansions. None of this information is new either, it's been the same since Morrowind.

Also we literally just got a new DLC that's included with ESO+, so I don't understand this paranoia about replacing DLC now that we got the new chapter announcement that we were all expecting.

absolutely.

but hey, it's the internet.

KillingUGirl · March 2018

ESO Plus should include all New content as advertised

words mean a lot and according to their words they are direct violation of their terms of service. Legally they could be held accountable. Just change the wording to what Is included then if that’s they way they are going to be problem solved.

Well, that's more an argument about what is considered "DLC", since that is what is included according to their terminology.

As of now, Morrowind and Summerset are not considered "DLC" in ESO, ergo, they're not included.
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If I can “download” it, it’s DLC

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · March 2018

No expansion packs are the way of the future and we should be willing to pay for them in addition to our ESO Plus

ZOS should just start calling DLC Content Packs and then keep Chapters as they are. That way there is no confusion on what is free with ESO+ and then we don't have to have the same annoying complaints every year. Chapters are paid for get over it. The current system they have is a good one and it should continue to stay as it is.

SecretJoy · March 2018

No expansion packs are the way of the future and we should be willing to pay for them in addition to our ESO Plus

KillingUGirl wrote: »

words mean a lot and according to their words they are direct violation of their terms of service. Legally they could be held accountable. Just change the wording to what Is included then if that’s they way they are going to be problem solved.

Well, that's more an argument about what is considered "DLC", since that is what is included according to their terminology.

As of now, Morrowind and Summerset are not considered "DLC" in ESO, ergo, they're not included.

If I can “download” it, it’s DLC
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You can also buy a physical copy. Can you do that with any of the actual DLCs in game? No.

kargen27 · March 2018

KillingUGirl wrote: »

SecretJoy wrote: »

KillingUGirl wrote: »

SecretJoy wrote: »

KillingUGirl wrote: »

Is included DLC a thing of the past? If so shouldn’t ESO plus price be dropped to reflect the lack of new content?
Is this the new MO for ESO? The point of paying for ESO Plus every month is to assure access to all dlc apparently this has changed? I mean with Morrowind and now Summerset? Are they not making enough money lol. They really need to change what’s included in the ESO Plus membership at least and remove they all new dlc part. Or will the new terminology for DLC now be “expansion pack” lol. If so we will be purchasing a new expansion every 6 months and eso plus will be an expensive crafting bag.

Morrowind and Summerset aren't DLC, they're new "chapters". You still get access to DLC like Thieves Guild, Dark Brotherhood, Orsinium, etc. for free.

The definition of DLC in gaming to my knowledge has always been “downloadable Content”. Are Morrowind and Summerset not “downloadable Content”? At least chnage ESO Plus then not say they include all downloadable content. Call what you what it is what it is.

Alright, using your definition of "downloadable content." All of what Zenimax considers DLCs are exactly that, solely downloadable. Both Morrowind and Summerset have physical and digital purchase options, as they are new chapters or what other games refer to as expansion packs. So no, they are not "downloadable content."

So I cannot go to the Xbox store today or. Wen available, and “Download” a copy of Summerset? If I can download and expansion pack or whatever they wish to call it to get people to spend more money, then yes by its very definition that content is DLC and should be included in ESO plus According to their terms. They really need to change how The ESO plus membership is worded And they would alleviate these issues.

You might want to look at that agreement. You will see that ESO+ members get the downloadable content available in the crown store for free. Morrowind and Summerset are not available in the crown store.

KillingUGirl · March 2018

ESO Plus should include all New content as advertised

Kingslayer513 wrote: »

Where's the poll option for "OP is misinformed and confused"?

DLC isn't going anywhere. You are still going to get, at minimum, 3 DLC per year included with the ESO+ subscription. A new chapter expansion comes out once a year, not every 6 months as OP said. DLC is not being replaced by chapter expansions. None of this information is new either, it's been the same since Morrowind.

Also we literally just got a new DLC that's included with ESO+, so I don't understand this paranoia about replacing DLC now that we got the new chapter announcement that we were all expecting.

No not misinformed according to their terms I as an Eso Plus member have acces to ALL Downloadable Content. This is misleading and should be corrected if they are going to realease new downlaoble content that isn’t included in that definition just because they changed the name to exapnsion. It’s still DlC , so no not all DLC is included stop being so deceptive and just adjust what is actually included accordingly and there would be no issues.

Path · March 2018

ESO Plus should include all New content as advertised

Include or severely discount.

Radinyn · March 2018

No expansion packs are the way of the future and we should be willing to pay for them in addition to our ESO Plus

First option is wrong it isn't advertised that it includes all new content, it just says DLCs.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · March 2018

No expansion packs are the way of the future and we should be willing to pay for them in addition to our ESO Plus

Radinyn wrote: »

First option is wrong it isn't advertised that it includes all new content, it just says DLCs.

Yeah but others disagree because they take the term DLC too literally.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · March 2018

ESO Plus should include all New content as advertised

I don't sub but I find it misleading as their wording implies you should get it.

KillingUGirl · March 2018

ESO Plus should include all New content as advertised

SecretJoy wrote: »

KillingUGirl wrote: »

words mean a lot and according to their words they are direct violation of their terms of service. Legally they could be held accountable. Just change the wording to what Is included then if that’s they way they are going to be problem solved.

Well, that's more an argument about what is considered "DLC", since that is what is included according to their terminology.

As of now, Morrowind and Summerset are not considered "DLC" in ESO, ergo, they're not included.

If I can “download” it, it’s DLC

You can also buy a physical copy. Can you do that with any of the actual DLCs in game? No.[/quote]

Argument isn’t whether or not I can buy it the argument is whether or not it’s downloadable, is it downloadable yes end of discussion.

Rjizzle09 · March 2018

Man this again. Even people with absolutely no income can go mow some grass and get enough money to pay for this chapter. Are people really that salty at having to buy an expansion/chapter? We had this discussion last year let it rest. The employees there have to get paid somehow just like we do at our jobs. Eso plus shouldnt even cover chapters at at all because 15 bucks for the stuff it brings is really cheap considering what all goes into developing in games. Just pay the money and enjoy the game or dont? If it bothers people then jist simply do not buy it and not ruin it for others who dont mind paying.

alanmatillab16_ESO · March 2018

No expansion packs are the way of the future and we should be willing to pay for them in addition to our ESO Plus

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i paid $79.99 at launch, and again at morrowind and again and again now several times.
i also have subbed monthly since beta.
i should have access for life, not be forced to repeatedly pay and paY and PAY AND PAY!

Have you never played other subscription based games such as WoW or Lotro? you pay for expansions in those too even if you are subscribed.

Kingslayer513 · March 2018

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

ZOS should just start calling DLC Content Packs and then keep Chapters as they are. That way there is no confusion on what is free with ESO+ and then we don't have to have the same annoying complaints every year. Chapters are paid for get over it. The current system they have is a good one and it should continue to stay as it is.

Agreed, and I also like that this chapter is cheaper than Morrowind. I think this is the perfect price range for a chapter. And since I don't play battlegrounds and wardens are very meh in PVE, I consider this chapter to include more useful content for me than Morrowind and at a lower price tag. Bigger zone, new skill line for ALL my toons, and jewelry crafting - sounds like a win to me.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · March 2018

No expansion packs are the way of the future and we should be willing to pay for them in addition to our ESO Plus

KillingUGirl wrote: »

SecretJoy wrote: »

KillingUGirl wrote: »

words mean a lot and according to their words they are direct violation of their terms of service. Legally they could be held accountable. Just change the wording to what Is included then if that’s they way they are going to be problem solved.

Well, that's more an argument about what is considered "DLC", since that is what is included according to their terminology.

As of now, Morrowind and Summerset are not considered "DLC" in ESO, ergo, they're not included.

If I can “download” it, it’s DLC

You can also buy a physical copy. Can you do that with any of the actual DLCs in game? No.

Argument isn’t whether or not I can buy it the argument is whether or not it’s downloadable, is it downloadable yes end of discussion.
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Doesn't matter if its downloadable or not. ZOS can charge for whatever content they want. Not everything is handed to you on a silver platter, princess

KillingUGirl · March 2018

ESO Plus should include all New content as advertised

Radinyn wrote: »

First option is wrong it isn't advertised that it includes all new content, it just says DLCs.

Yes by it’s very definition Morrowind and Summerset both are downloadable content. Simple solution reword their terms to state not including exapnsion packs and then they can screw us for how ever much they want and we can’t argue about it. Simple solution don’t say something is included when it isn’t.

SecretJoy · March 2018

No expansion packs are the way of the future and we should be willing to pay for them in addition to our ESO Plus

alanmatillab16_ESO wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i paid $79.99 at launch, and again at morrowind and again and again now several times.
i also have subbed monthly since beta.
i should have access for life, not be forced to repeatedly pay and paY and PAY AND PAY!

Have you never played other subscription based games such as WoW or Lotro? you pay for expansions in those too even if you are subscribed.

This! Even Guild Wars 2, which is buy to play with no subscription, charges for every new expansion.