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The Nightblade Nerfs are coming, better let the good ones negotiate the changes
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✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »And of course a sorc can't just streak away form NPC's with a single button press as well.
NPCs don’t stop attacking in that case.
They don't stop attacking after 2.7 seconds of cloak either, in the case of streak you avoided their attacks - same result.
Point is every class has one button avoidance, shield, healing or escape skills just as effective as cloak or more so.
That's simply wrong.
Cloak gives you as long as you keep it up: Full damage protection and 50% more healing than any non crit heal
Cloak only heals on one crit, and with 10k magicka you can't keep it up that long.
Shields give you damage and healing as long as you keep them up as well.
And my Templar begs to differ with you.Edited by TequilaFire on March 21, 2018 3:34PM1 -
BohnT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »And of course a sorc can't just streak away form NPC's with a single button press as well.
NPCs don’t stop attacking in that case.
They don't stop attacking after 2.7 seconds of cloak either, in the case of streak you avoided their attacks - same result.
Point is every class has one button avoidance, shield, healing or escape skills just as effective as cloak or more so.
That's simply wrong.
Cloak gives you as long as you keep it up: Full damage protection and 50% more healing than any non crit heal
Cloak only heals on one crit, and with 10k magicka you can't keep it up that long.
And my Templar begs to differ with you.
It puts a crit on any hot.
That's because your build sucks. @Ragnaroek93 can cloak 20 times on his stamblade while still having no issues sustaining, surviving or killing people.
What is it that your templar wants me to say? Look at my minor vitality and mending? Guess what nightblade gets this aswell + access to major vitality , check my cool 12% healing buff when i'm low, Funny nightblade can get up to 18% extra healing on every ability regardless of healthEdited by BohnT on March 21, 2018 3:55PM2 -
Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
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So the objection is that in PvE Cloak acts similar to a damage shield for a Class with no damage shields?
mitigating damage to health based on capabilities of Magicka pool to continually cast
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In hindsight, realize how ridiculous this comparison is
With damage shields it is possible to continue doing damage to enemies while the mitigation skill is active
Nightblades only receive damage mitigation for the full duration of the skill if pausing from fighting back"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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Maryal✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Feanor
You said: "One could argue though permacloaking isn’t an intended design in PvE either. You can even cheese vMA that way."
Are you serious? Cheese VMA with cloak? No, you can't. You must not know about 'true sight'. When a mob has 'true sight' they will see you even if you cloak or use an invisibility potion. Also, engaging in combat takes you out of cloak. To clear VMA you need to kill a massive amount of enemies, including sub-bosses and bosses ... and to do that, you need to engage in combat ... and engaging in combat means ... well ... you get the idea.
In all fairness, I will say that you can successfully cloak (or use invisibility potions) when doing vanilla pve content. True sight occurs in more difficult pve content so that invisibility can't be used as a way to circumvent the system.
And yes, there is a lot of pve content where you can play as a sneaky, assassin, rogue ... it's tons of fun.
Edited by Maryal on March 21, 2018 3:58PM2 -
Wrubius_Coronaria✭✭✭✭✭I find these kinds of threads with magic numbers coming from nowhere and without any serious data quite entertaining to read.4
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Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »And of course a sorc can't just streak away form NPC's with a single button press as well.
NPCs don’t stop attacking in that case.
They don't stop attacking after 2.7 seconds of cloak either, in the case of streak you avoided their attacks - same result.
Point is every class has one button avoidance, shield, healing or escape skills just as effective as cloak or more so.
That's simply wrong.
Cloak gives you as long as you keep it up: Full damage protection and 50% more healing than any non crit heal
Cloak only heals on one crit, and with 10k magicka you can't keep it up that long.
And my Templar begs to differ with you.
It puts a crit on any hot.
That's because your build sucks. @Ragnaroek93 can cloak 20 times on his stamblade while still having no issues sustaining, surviving or killing people.
What is it that your templar wants me to say? Look at my minor vitality and mending? Guess what nightblade gets this aswell + access to major vitality , check my cool 12% healing buff when i'm low, Funny nightblade can get 18% extra healing on every ability regardless of health
Is this 18% in reference to the Soul Siphoner passive?
isn't it more realistically 12%-15% as it goes by slotted skills
so Restoration/non-Siphoning abilities cannot receive the full 18% buff
or do you run a build where you cast Resto abilities from one bar then swap to a full Siphoning bar to maintain the maximum value?"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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BohnT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »And of course a sorc can't just streak away form NPC's with a single button press as well.
NPCs don’t stop attacking in that case.
They don't stop attacking after 2.7 seconds of cloak either, in the case of streak you avoided their attacks - same result.
Point is every class has one button avoidance, shield, healing or escape skills just as effective as cloak or more so.
That's simply wrong.
Cloak gives you as long as you keep it up: Full damage protection and 50% more healing than any non crit heal
Cloak only heals on one crit, and with 10k magicka you can't keep it up that long.
And my Templar begs to differ with you.
It puts a crit on any hot.
That's because your build sucks. @Ragnaroek93 can cloak 20 times on his stamblade while still having no issues sustaining, surviving or killing people.
What is it that your templar wants me to say? Look at my minor vitality and mending? Guess what nightblade gets this aswell + access to major vitality , check my cool 12% healing buff when i'm low, Funny nightblade can get 18% extra healing on every ability regardless of health
Is this 18% in reference to the Soul Siphoner passive?
isn't it more realistically 12%-15% as it goes by slotted skills
so Restoration/non-Siphoning abilities cannot receive the full 18% buff
or do you run a build where you cast Resto abilities from one bar then swap to a full Siphoning bar to maintain the maximum value?
This was just an example for a full siphoner bar. I'll change it to up to 18%0 -
Kuramas9tails✭✭✭✭✭
✭I play a stamblade in PvP and yes, I am able to burst down some players really easily however not everyone. Note that you can burst someone yes but when it comes to longevity of a fight nightblade falls short often because that is what they do, bursty damage but they do not survive direct encounters as long, reason they need to cloak away. This is also reason that when you see organized groups, they tend to have way less nightblades because they don't offer as much aoe damage ultimates or group support.
I would say that either remove the major defile from incap or make it minor defile and shorten its timer but do not remove the CC. (have to keep in mind that there is too much healing going in group fights these days too so any source of defile is valuable so removing this suggests nightblades need to be more ganky than ever, take a look when Battlegrounds had CP enabled)
Having incap CC to be "buggy" is not really a reason to call in nerfs, you ask for fix instead. And it is mass hysteria that is buggy, not having its animation half the time working properly.
In all and all, stamblades are extremely squishy and if you catch them they are hopeless most of the time. Maybe flare from alliance war skill line and mage's light from mage's guild skill line could be buffed to be little bit bigger region where it detects and disables stealth but cloak itself is fine because it is a lot of skill to manage it, dodging the people who will catch and then kill you and making sure you use it properly because stamblades don't have nearly as much magicka as magblades, especially the genius people running bone pirate. (I don't play magblade so I cannot vouch how effective cloak is on them)
@Piraja27 Thus is why I run Piercing Mark on my mageblade. Once a Stamblade is exposed, they are EASY to take down. Same with the bow snipers. Once they find out they can't hide, they scramble and panic because that is their best defense. And Stamblades can not cloak for long. Maybe 3 or 4 cloaks and that is it. Me, as a mageblade, I could cloak across Cyrodiil without ever stopping because of my regeneration. I recently posted a video of my boyfriend and I PVPing and my mageblade was dodging like none other and my cloak saved me so many times. I have no idea how I DIDN'T die tbh. But I am sustain. 5 Shackle, 4 Amber and 2 Skoria with PVE CP.
But as I said in a previous comment, very few Stamblades impress me and the ones who do are the best animation cancelers and will use Dawnbreaker without me even seeing it being animated.
The rest are cookie cutter builds and easy to counter. Your friendly neighborhood crazy cat lady of ESO
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Ragnaroek93✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »And of course a sorc can't just streak away form NPC's with a single button press as well.
NPCs don’t stop attacking in that case.
They don't stop attacking after 2.7 seconds of cloak either, in the case of streak you avoided their attacks - same result.
Point is every class has one button avoidance, shield, healing or escape skills just as effective as cloak or more so.
That's simply wrong.
Cloak gives you as long as you keep it up: Full damage protection and 50% more healing than any non crit heal
Cloak only heals on one crit, and with 10k magicka you can't keep it up that long.
And my Templar begs to differ with you.
It puts a crit on any hot.
That's because your build sucks. @Ragnaroek93 can cloak 20 times on his stamblade while still having no issues sustaining, surviving or killing people.
What is it that your templar wants me to say? Look at my minor vitality and mending? Guess what nightblade gets this aswell + access to major vitality , check my cool 12% healing buff when i'm low, Funny nightblade can get up to 18% extra healing on every ability regardless of health
To be fair, I tested that outside of combat, was my bad. But I still think that Cloak is incredible strong as soon as you get a bit magicka sustain as well (which nbs definitely should do).I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.0 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »And of course a sorc can't just streak away form NPC's with a single button press as well.
NPCs don’t stop attacking in that case.
They don't stop attacking after 2.7 seconds of cloak either, in the case of streak you avoided their attacks - same result.
Point is every class has one button avoidance, shield, healing or escape skills just as effective as cloak or more so.
That's simply wrong.
Cloak gives you as long as you keep it up: Full damage protection and 50% more healing than any non crit heal
Cloak only heals on one crit, and with 10k magicka you can't keep it up that long.
And my Templar begs to differ with you.
It puts a crit on any hot.
That's because your build sucks. @Ragnaroek93 can cloak 20 times on his stamblade while still having no issues sustaining, surviving or killing people.
What is it that your templar wants me to say? Look at my minor vitality and mending? Guess what nightblade gets this aswell + access to major vitality , check my cool 12% healing buff when i'm low, Funny nightblade can get up to 18% extra healing on every ability regardless of health
Nvm we will see what happens.Edited by TequilaFire on March 21, 2018 4:04PM0 -
Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »And of course a sorc can't just streak away form NPC's with a single button press as well.
NPCs don’t stop attacking in that case.
They don't stop attacking after 2.7 seconds of cloak either, in the case of streak you avoided their attacks - same result.
Point is every class has one button avoidance, shield, healing or escape skills just as effective as cloak or more so.
That's simply wrong.
Cloak gives you as long as you keep it up: Full damage protection and 50% more healing than any non crit heal
Cloak only heals on one crit, and with 10k magicka you can't keep it up that long.
And my Templar begs to differ with you.
It puts a crit on any hot.
That's because your build sucks. @Ragnaroek93 can cloak 20 times on his stamblade while still having no issues sustaining, surviving or killing people.
What is it that your templar wants me to say? Look at my minor vitality and mending? Guess what nightblade gets this aswell + access to major vitality , check my cool 12% healing buff when i'm low, Funny nightblade can get 18% extra healing on every ability regardless of health
Is this 18% in reference to the Soul Siphoner passive?
isn't it more realistically 12%-15% as it goes by slotted skills
so Restoration/non-Siphoning abilities cannot receive the full 18% buff
or do you run a build where you cast Resto abilities from one bar then swap to a full Siphoning bar to maintain the maximum value?
This was just an example for a full siphoner bar. I'll change it to up to 18%
Thank you for clarifying
was worried there was some clever healing build that had slipped past me QQ"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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BohnT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »And of course a sorc can't just streak away form NPC's with a single button press as well.
NPCs don’t stop attacking in that case.
They don't stop attacking after 2.7 seconds of cloak either, in the case of streak you avoided their attacks - same result.
Point is every class has one button avoidance, shield, healing or escape skills just as effective as cloak or more so.
That's simply wrong.
Cloak gives you as long as you keep it up: Full damage protection and 50% more healing than any non crit heal
Cloak only heals on one crit, and with 10k magicka you can't keep it up that long.
And my Templar begs to differ with you.
It puts a crit on any hot.
That's because your build sucks. @Ragnaroek93 can cloak 20 times on his stamblade while still having no issues sustaining, surviving or killing people.
What is it that your templar wants me to say? Look at my minor vitality and mending? Guess what nightblade gets this aswell + access to major vitality , check my cool 12% healing buff when i'm low, Funny nightblade can get up to 18% extra healing on every ability regardless of health
To be fair, I tested that outside of combat, was my bad. But I still think that Cloak is incredible strong as soon as you get a bit magicka sustain as well (which nbs definitely should do).
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DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »And of course a sorc can't just streak away form NPC's with a single button press as well.
NPCs don’t stop attacking in that case.
They don't stop attacking after 2.7 seconds of cloak either, in the case of streak you avoided their attacks - same result.
Point is every class has one button avoidance, shield, healing or escape skills just as effective as cloak or more so.
That's simply wrong.
Cloak gives you as long as you keep it up: Full damage protection and 50% more healing than any non crit heal
Cloak only heals on one crit, and with 10k magicka you can't keep it up that long.
And my Templar begs to differ with you.
It puts a crit on any hot.
Yeah, unless you have a DoT on the target... I really don't know why people keep bringing up Shadowy Disguise when they try to make a point, the morph is bugged in more than one way and almost any build is better off with Dark Cloak.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392360/shadowy-disguise-still-buggedThat's because your build sucks. @Ragnaroek93 can cloak 20 times on his stamblade while still having no issues sustaining, surviving or killing people.
...or maybe he/she just isn't playing a rollerblade? It isn't a secret that high regen builds are overperforming at the moment compared to dmg heavy builds - but not everyone is interested in the rollerblade playstyle (I personally find it dreadfully shallow & boring).
If you equate that with "playing a bad build" then so be it - if anything that reinforces the point that these builds absolutely do not need further blanket nerfs. Any nerf whatsoever should be targeted at the actual overperforming builds, not the ones that are balanced/could use buffs even.What is it that your templar wants me to say? Look at my minor vitality and mending? Guess what nightblade gets this aswell + access to major vitality , check my cool 12% healing buff when i'm low, Funny nightblade can get up to 18% extra healing on every ability regardless of health
In which universe does a stamblade have bar space for more than one siphoning skill? And why would you slot any of them apart from Leeching Strikes/Siphoning Attacks as a stamina build? Just curious.2 -
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✭✭✭✭Again either put Piercing Mark in the Alliance War tree or rework Flare to work just like Piercing Mark minus the armor debuff and heal on kill
Nightblade only appears to be too strong because all it’s counters have been nerfed the last two patches.
Doing this also allows ZOS to enhance Nightblade ability to heal and tank at a competitive level
Anything short of what I said in the first paragraph will result in Nightblades being worse off then Mag Sorc is right now...no one wants thatRinaldo Gandolphi-Breton Sorcerer Daggerfall Covenant
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Shadowmaster✭✭✭✭it makes no difference; you're still able to dodge everything I throw at you until I run out of stamina.
So it's not really cloak that is the issue. Coincidentally, cloak is also the only thing that keeps a high dmg build alive since you can't rely on dodge roll to survive.
Multiple things will take you out of cloak fwiw. The best thing you can do to a NB using cloak is reduce their mv speed and/or hit them with dots. Makes it hard to GTFO easy and the dots will sometimes break cloak.
Also, you can use stamina increase poisons vs nightblades, but I 100% agree that the iframes from dodge roll are just a conceptual problem in PvP for classes that can sustain stamina for long periods. Its worse with heavy armor. I think if you start making heavier armors affect dodge rolling and stamina negatively, it would start being a lot more realistic.
RIght now with enough sustain you can wear full heavy and never really die easily.
Thats why you see a lot of people moaning about NB's, they can sit around and just wait for you to get weak then boom 1 shot, and you and your 8 friends can try and nail them down and they just dodge roll forever.
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Shadowmaster✭✭✭✭The issue with incap is that as I stated above it is a knock down effect not a stun. If it worked like a stun people would actually be able to counter it effectively
100% great post, and same thing I posted above. The KD is the problem because its free hits for the NB after a huge big opening.0 -
Maryal✭✭✭✭✭
✭RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Again either put Piercing Mark in the Alliance War tree or rework Flare to work just like Piercing Mark minus the armor debuff and heal on kill
Nightblade only appears to be too strong because all it’s counters have been nerfed the last two patches.
Doing this also allows ZOS to enhance Nightblade ability to heal and tank at a competitive level
Anything short of what I said in the first paragraph will result in Nightblades being worse off then Mag Sorc is right now...no one wants that
I can live with that ... reworking the alliance war support ability flare ... yes. Good suggestion.
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✭Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »Yea I am not reading this but as a pve only nightblade who is not interested in pvp at all can we please stop ruining pve balance for *** pvp...
This is a funny post; magblade will get nerfed in pvp BECAUSE of pve. So yeah, thanks for the parses and the 8 magblade raid comps
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Just from killcounter stats i get ~35% NB aswell this patch playing on EP and DC VIVEC EU. EP daytime DC evening/primetime.
NB is the only class that can escape me reliably so numbers might even be a little too low.
Okay. So you kill more NB's than any other class, but some get away? Nerf NBs?
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BohnT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Hand_Bacon wrote: »
Just from killcounter stats i get ~35% NB aswell this patch playing on EP and DC VIVEC EU. EP daytime DC evening/primetime.
NB is the only class that can escape me reliably so numbers might even be a little too low.
Okay. So you kill more NB's than any other class, but some get away? Nerf NBs?
Maybe the total kills on nbs are higher than there are more.
The note that some of them escape is there to say that this doesn't happen with the other classes0 -
Mitrenga✭✭✭✭✭There are so many points that I disagree with the OP but I really am tired of this "nerf this, buff this" threads. I really hope that the current Class Representatives idea works.
In the meantime, it would be very nice if the NB Tanks can get some love. It really is one of the most fun styles to play in this game.Edited by Mitrenga on March 21, 2018 5:50PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭@BohnT
I'm starting to get the feeling that you made up numbers in your original post because I've already asked twice where you got those numbers and you haven't responded.
"When going into Cyrodiil stamina nightblades make about 25-35% of the whole playerbase in cyro while there are 10 specs.
When counting magicka nightblades aswell you'll see that 30-40% of Cyrodiils population is nightblades."3 -
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✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »@BohnT
I'm starting to get the feeling that you made up numbers in your original post because I've already asked twice where you got those numbers and you haven't responded.
"When going into Cyrodiil stamina nightblades make about 25-35% of the whole playerbase in cyro while there are 10 specs.
When counting magicka nightblades aswell you'll see that 30-40% of Cyrodiils population is nightblades."
At the duel spot on PC EU it is now a regular occurrence that more than half (50% since you like numbers) of the players there are stamina nightblades. I wonder why...0 -
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✭Hand_Bacon wrote: »
Just from killcounter stats i get ~35% NB aswell this patch playing on EP and DC VIVEC EU. EP daytime DC evening/primetime.
NB is the only class that can escape me reliably so numbers might even be a little too low.
Okay. So you kill more NB's than any other class, but some get away? Nerf NBs?
Maybe the total kills on nbs are higher than there are more.
The note that some of them escape is there to say that this doesn't happen with the other classes
So you are just unhappy that the squishy stealth class has a mechanic that can allow for them to escape if used properly? That NBs should be played only how you think they should be played and that no one should be allowed to flee from combat?PS4 Pro NA0 -
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✭Hand_Bacon wrote: »
Just from killcounter stats i get ~35% NB aswell this patch playing on EP and DC VIVEC EU. EP daytime DC evening/primetime.
NB is the only class that can escape me reliably so numbers might even be a little too low.
Okay. So you kill more NB's than any other class, but some get away? Nerf NBs?
Maybe the total kills on nbs are higher than there are more.
The note that some of them escape is there to say that this doesn't happen with the other classes
So you are just unhappy that the squishy stealth class has a mechanic that can allow for them to escape if used properly? That NBs should be played only how you think they should be played and that no one should be allowed to flee from combat?
You do know that the player you responded to is also playing stamblade, right?0 -
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✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »@BohnT
I'm starting to get the feeling that you made up numbers in your original post because I've already asked twice where you got those numbers and you haven't responded.
"When going into Cyrodiil stamina nightblades make about 25-35% of the whole playerbase in cyro while there are 10 specs.
When counting magicka nightblades aswell you'll see that 30-40% of Cyrodiils population is nightblades."
And I've answered it 2 times already.
From my killcounter: players killed, killing blows (not counting kill counter deaths as sorcs get 90% of all kills due to wrath even if the nightblade was the reason i died or more than one player was involved)
My death recap and the fights in which i die
The people i see when a zerg is passing by from my faction or one of the enemy faction
And the number of players i recognize from their @name which swapped to playing nightblade
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✭Hand_Bacon wrote: »
Just from killcounter stats i get ~35% NB aswell this patch playing on EP and DC VIVEC EU. EP daytime DC evening/primetime.
NB is the only class that can escape me reliably so numbers might even be a little too low.
Okay. So you kill more NB's than any other class, but some get away? Nerf NBs?
Maybe the total kills on nbs are higher than there are more.
The note that some of them escape is there to say that this doesn't happen with the other classes
So you are just unhappy that the squishy stealth class has a mechanic that can allow for them to escape if used properly? That NBs should be played only how you think they should be played and that no one should be allowed to flee from combat?
You do know that the player you responded to is also playing stamblade, right?
He lists one stamblade. I’m still at a loss how stamblades are achieving such high magica pools to stay cloaked in combat without hitting like wet noodles.
Edit: oh wait... that is you that lists one stamblade. My mistake.Edited by Tholian1 on March 21, 2018 6:09PMPS4 Pro NA0 -
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✭✭✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »@BohnT
I'm starting to get the feeling that you made up numbers in your original post because I've already asked twice where you got those numbers and you haven't responded.
"When going into Cyrodiil stamina nightblades make about 25-35% of the whole playerbase in cyro while there are 10 specs.
When counting magicka nightblades aswell you'll see that 30-40% of Cyrodiils population is nightblades."
At the duel spot on PC EU it is now a regular occurrence that more than half (50% since you like numbers) of the players there are stamina nightblades. I wonder why...
Is that hard data? Even it is, does a particular dual spot speak for the rest of the game? Do you see where I'm going with this?0 -
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✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »@BohnT
I'm starting to get the feeling that you made up numbers in your original post because I've already asked twice where you got those numbers and you haven't responded.
"When going into Cyrodiil stamina nightblades make about 25-35% of the whole playerbase in cyro while there are 10 specs.
When counting magicka nightblades aswell you'll see that 30-40% of Cyrodiils population is nightblades."
At the duel spot on PC EU it is now a regular occurrence that more than half (50% since you like numbers) of the players there are stamina nightblades. I wonder why...
Is that hard data? Even it is, does a particular dual spot speak for the rest of the game? Do you see where I'm going with this?
Yes it is. This is where the " tryharding" duels are done. The people there go there to get better and to win you don't go there with an Hybrid build or with a bad spec.Edited by BohnT on March 21, 2018 6:11PM0 -
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✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »@BohnT
I'm starting to get the feeling that you made up numbers in your original post because I've already asked twice where you got those numbers and you haven't responded.
"When going into Cyrodiil stamina nightblades make about 25-35% of the whole playerbase in cyro while there are 10 specs.
When counting magicka nightblades aswell you'll see that 30-40% of Cyrodiils population is nightblades."
At the duel spot on PC EU it is now a regular occurrence that more than half (50% since you like numbers) of the players there are stamina nightblades. I wonder why...
Is that hard data? Even it is, does a particular dual spot speak for the rest of the game? Do you see where I'm going with this?
Yes it is. That is the place where you usually find out about cancer builds/classes/skills. People come here to win duels. They come on stamblade because they know it's easier to win duels on that for example a templar or a dk.
That's plenty of hard data.
Anyways, back to the topic! We need to come up with suggestions so they won't ruin the class for us that have been playing it for ages.0