I tank with a Sorc, so....

But when I queue as DD or Healer, Nightblade and Sorc seem to be the rarest.

I main tank on a Nightblade. Completed all Craglorn vet Trials, Veteran Dragonstar, All dungeons on Veteran Hard Mode

As for Sorc tank, I do have one. Still working on trials and vDSA for it

I do have a Templar tank as well. He has done Veteran AA trial so far, and 90% of Veteran Hard Mode dungeons


TBH I hate DK tanking... But I did respec my Mag DK dps to a Tank due to off-balance changes nerfing my sweet 30k to a sickening 19k

MerlinPendragon wrote: »

I have never seen a Sorc tank.

85%-90% seem to be on DK. I've seen some Templars and Wardens here and there who could hold their own, but rarely in a Vet dungeon or other end game content. Nightblade tanks are out there, but are rare.

If a warden tank isnt able to hold his own equally well as a DK tank, that warden tank is bad.

For 4 man content, wardens are actually better (IMO) than DK, and for trials a properly executed warden tank will be every bit as good as a DK in most fights. There are a few where DK wins due to pure resource management options.

Any fight where there are constant projectiles, a warden will warhorn round 25% more often than a DK. Their base resource management is better if set up with a frost staff back bar, as they can fully utilize both resource pools for permablocking. Chains are better than frozen device in some content, but in most I'd actually prefer device, it can even pull larger targets than chains does and it's easier to target in a crowd.

SkyIsTheLimit1206 wrote: »

Stamina Nightblade

Stamina nightblade is the worst tank. It offers zero benefits. I wish Zos would take a look at ways to encourage tanking with all tank specs. I was a Sap tank since console launch and the class has been gutted, yet stam nightblade tank borderline useless.

NyassaV wrote: »

People who don't see templars are tripping. Sorcs are less common but since the removal of sap tanking (that's right I said removal! 100% biased comment) there are virtually no full time nightblade tank mains.

I think it's because in vet dungeon content, some people my not notice they have a templar tanking rather than dk/warden. Templars are such common healers, folks may just assume all the bright yellowy white effects are coming from the healer instead! The one's i've grouped with have been pretty decent. Sorcs are fairly obvious though as they will probably be running bound armour, and i'd like to think NB would be somewhat obvious too. It's normally taken a few pulls before I check which class the tank is (when chains are not present)

I'll say this about tank characters as i've used a lot of them, my DK tank is the best one that I have used, my Templar tank was my first ever character and has never let me down, I didn't really enjoy trying my Sorc tank so I i re-speced it to a DD, my StamBlade tank no-deathed VCoA2 with no healer 3 weeks ago just with 3 dds from Group Finder and when it comes to the Warden tank, i'm currently levelling one up so i don't have any experience yet but i was in a dungeon with on and it did really well.

I preferred my sorc tank so much over my dk I barely touch my dk now. Ice tank one bar sword shield the other so sustain is fine without dark deal. Only ever seen one or two other sorc tanks tho.

ofSunhold wrote: »

I never see templar tanks, ever. Nightblades are rare, sorcs are uncommon, some wardens, lots & lots of DKs. Zero templars.

Templar tanks exist. I don't main one, but I have been tanking with my PVP Templar (in Plague Doctor/Seducers/Swarm Mother, 1H+S/2H, with appropriate CP allocations) to level up Undaunted. The nerfs to Repentance make it a bit difficult to keep stamina up through dungeons (when there's more than one Templar in the group), and boss fights can be hard on stamina too... It would be helpful if Equilibrium had a stamina morph. Also, pulling ranged adds via Swarm Mother/Inner Fire is kind of a pain; in order to taunt multiple ranged adds in relatively quickly, I have to use max magicka and max health food (which doesn't help much with the stamina problem -- I tried the stamina morph with max stam/health food, and it was even worse). By the time I've block-pulled those adds in, I have to wind up another heavy attack and/or hope that the DPS have killed some fresh mobs from whom I can steal some stamina. To buff your resistances with a class skill like Hardened/Volatile Armour and Frost Cloak, you're forced to stand in a tiny area and you lose that buff after 8 seconds of leaving said tiny area. Then there's the lack of an AOE immobilize skill like Talons...

Basically, to be able to do most of what a DK/Warden tank can do on a Templar, you have to make build sacrifices that DK's and Wardens don't have to make. You're also limited to ONE monster set if you want to be able to pull ranged adds. That's probably why you don't see many of them... The ONLY thing a Templar tank can bring to the table that any other tank can't is Power of the Light. Given that most Templar healers run PotL and are more common than Warden healers, this benefit also becomes redundant...

Once my Templar hits Undaunted 9, she's heading back to Cyrodiil. Permanently. I have tons of respect for people who can main tank vet DLC dungeons and vet Trials on their Templars, because you're working with such a limited tool kit as a Templar tank.

Templar should be the rarest, since the class has very few passives which are useful for the given role. NB would be a close second. Sorcerer is not that bad since as magicka tank you can have very big shields and passive healing from surge, and also Dark Deal to recover a lot of stamina when you find an opening.

Who voted DK?

NBs used to make excellent tanks. RIP.

Templars and game changed too much since launch. RIP.

Sorcerers actually fairly effective PvP tanks

jypcy wrote: »

Imo any class can still be an effective (pve, no opinion on pvp) tank, although I’ve never taken my sorc tank even semi seriously so I don’t have much of any evidence for that class’ tanking effectiveness. The main limiting factor to me is the lack of pulls that other classes have, since slower stacking can be less effective tanking (but not ineffective tanking). Also be prepared to gulp down more tripots if you’re not a dk or argonian, depending on the content, but situationally expensive tanking also doesn’t mean ineffective tanking.

Any class can 'tank' as in find the boss and press taunt. There's more to it though. It is now expected for you to be able to chain mobs in to AE effects, it's expected of you to be able to root mobs, it's expected of you to debuff and provide group support. It's these extra bits that some classes perform very well, and can even perma block whilst doing it. This is where there needs to be balance. If this was DPS and one class underperforms by 2% since last patch there is hell to pay. The forums erupt. The sad thing is there are not enough of these alternatives tanks to have their voice heard over the roar of DPS. This is why I beleive the class rep program should be a role rep program instead. It's more important to provide balance between every class, then sort the flavour.

ZOS removed NB tanks with a change to siphoning, unfortunately I can only assume this was intended now. There were threads about this on PTS before Morrowind went live and they have been almost completely ignored since. ZOS are aware, Wrobel once replied on a live show with an 'um, yeah' regarding the current state of NB. People need to get behind their class as a whole, not just the role they play. DK healer is another great example, there is no one who plays it to shout about what's wrong with it. (What is wrong with it? I don't play one...) THESE areas need fixing way more than a 2% dps change.

It’s so rare you didn’t even spell it correctly in the poll . Sorc Tanks can work. But they’re definitely not seen that often.

aeowulf wrote: »

dovakiin5574 wrote: »

I main tank on a Nightblade. Completed all Craglorn vet Trials, Veteran Dragonstar,

pre or post morrowind?

Both, just fine.