Tip : the best way to avoid buying crown crates!

boombazookajd · March 2018

@Caitsith

Well looks like we are done here now doesn't it. Clearly, there's no reasoning with you and well, if you have no words then well...Enjoy playing ESO! Good luck to you in your travels.

Wrubius_Coronaria · March 2018

@boombazookajd

Thank you for your opinion and (very) insightful point of view. Bye bye.

boombazookajd · March 2018

Thank you for proving my thoughts correct. 2018's version of Godwin's law: Memes.

It is now apparent that you were in fact, virtue signaling and just enacting your own internet activism simply for the sake of your own personal well being and general warm feelings so you can go to bed at night feeling as though you have done something in the name of progressivism.

Wrubius_Coronaria · March 2018

i'd like to add as long as peoples are telling about these crates, it's ok because it's just comestic items or others simplistics arguments (what contributes to defend gambling boxes), it will always be accepted by the majority the community without any problems mostly.

Business don't have to be necessarily something predatory and without ethic and morality.

Wrubius_Coronaria · March 2018

boombazookajd wrote: »

Thank you for proving my thoughts correct. 2018's version of Godwin's law: Memes.

It is now apparent that you were in fact, virtue signaling and just enacting your own internet activism simply for the sake of your own personal well being and general warm feelings so you can go to bed at night feeling as though you have done something in the name of progressivism.

Come back with real arguments and something better than "my point of view is better because it's mine" (or ad personam attacks), but until that you don't don't deserve something else than memes.

Tapio75 · March 2018

My friend just bought 4 crates, got the radiant mount. Im happy for her.

If one does not like crown crates, one can simply ignore them. People dont really NEED these things inside the crates, they are just nice things that one can win from lottery and idea of lottery is, that you win or not. If not winning, tough luck, swallow it. If Someone wins, be happy, not jealous.

Keep reminding yourself, that there be considerably less flashy mounts and stuff without the crates.

If you still think, the loot boxes are unfair, go play Star Trek Online, and watch, how your inventory is filled with tons of loot crates, that you cant open. You need to buy expensive keys from the store and the rng is way worse than in ESO. Only thing better in STO is, that players can buy these keys, and place them for auction so people can buy them with gold. I think this should be option in ESO as well so that people who cant afford the crates, can buy them from traders.

Strid3rTM · March 2018

Identifying needs and wants should help out in making those economical decisions

boombazookajd · March 2018

Caitsith wrote: »

Come back with real arguments and something better than "my point of view is better because it's mine" (or ad personam attacks), but until that you don't don't deserve something else than memes.

@Caitsith
Which in actuality, is the precise argument you are making. You must be related to Knowledge or something.
But yes, you're acting like a child, performing what is in essence, plugging your ears and yelling "LALALALALALALA" with your memes.

I laid out my points, you chose to pick out one line and took it out of context. I've dealt with addicts so again, excuse me for not wanting to just run out and ban things because of "dopamine" or your feelings.

Now, if we want to rid the game of crates because in general they are sh***y business practices, I'm for it. If we want to rid the game of the crates because the drop rates are pretty low and rather absurd, I'm for it. Frankly, I don't like the crates but for reasons other than just, let's coddle those who might become, of all things, addicted to gambling.

I'd like to see the crates removed and the items in the crates bought separately. There are a few mounts I would love to just outright buy. Hell, the 150% xp scroll I got, I'd buy one of those. Otherwise the crates are garbage and because they are garbage, I won't buy them again.

We both agree the crates suck and we'd both like to see them gone; replaced with a non-gambling system, but for different reasons. Your reasons are feelings and virtue signaling, mine just happen to be business ethics and consumer practicality. To each their own.

You're the one who, after I kindly bid you farewell, not only NEEDED to get the last word in but resorted to childish meme behavior.

Motherball · March 2018

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Caitsith wrote: »

boombazookajd wrote: »

I opened 15 crates for the first time ever, to see what it was like. I got a mustang mount, a mountain of pots, a few face tats (all the same kind), a useless costume of Wayrest, and a lot of xp scrolls. A lot of useless trash.

It wasn't worth it and I won't ever do it again.

However...I'm not going to call for some kind of ban or the removal of the crates. For one, we are adults and should be treated as such. We don't need to be coddled. I don't find any part of this game addictive. The crates suck, but sometimes they don't.

I'm so tired of hearing about the psychology behind video games. They don't cause kids to kill, they don't make us addicted monsters that want crown crates.

There's a lot of things in life that release dopamine. It's March Madness, how many people do you think blew money comparable to, or in excess of, crown crates on college basketball?

Really, if you are an adult and want to buy em, have at it. You might get a good mount or some xp scrolls. Otherwise, they suck. But i'm not going to buy into the whole addiction thing. There are far more important things to deal with in the game and IRL.

You can't generalize your behaviour or your experience and consider it as the only one valid and also using it for invalidate something that has been proven. And the topic here is the loot boxes and ESO, not these irl things that also release dopamine. Stay related to it with your statements.

Especially when what I wrote there has been proven by psychology and scientific research, tired of hearing it or not will change nothing to these facts.

And when we are vulnerable about all these things, being an adult is not enough and absolutely not a good reason to not be manipulated and vunerable. (please don't give me the poor agurment of personal responsability)

Its a completely valid argument. Have some self control. If you are buying crown crates but trying to figure out how to pay your electric bill you might have an issue. Gambling and not getting addicted to it is YOUR responsibility, not everyone elses and most certainly not a business.

Not getting addicted is all about the mindset:

1) The house always wins. If you win its not because the house lost but because 10 other people lost to make up for your win.

2) Never play to win, play for fun. If you play to win you try to win and it changes your mindset. You think " Its going to hit any time now" and you just keep pumping money into the system believing that next dollar is going to not only recover all your money but you will come out ahead. That's addiction. Play for fun.

3) Always determine how much money you can or want to part with before you start gambling. Only spend that amount. In casinos i trained myself by taking all plastic out of my wallet and all cash but the cash i was willing to part with. So i walk into a casino with some cash and an ID. When all i have left is the ID, i walk out. Do that enough times and you train yourself to set a limit and stick to it. With online stuff, i have a credit card with a $1k limit. Some months i will put $100 on it and others ill free up $500 or more. That is how much i willing to spend on gaming and such that month. Regardless i will never spend more than the $1000 limit in a month and i spend far less most months, usually $100 or less.

When i bought crown crates, i bought a set amount with the expectation of either i was going to win what i wanted or i was going to acquire enough gems to buy it. I didnt keep going to trying to win everything. I knew going in that would likely take hundreds if not thousands of dollars.

A little bit of self control and self discipline goes a long way. I can walk into a casino with $10k in cash and $50k on cards and decide before i step foot in that im spending $500 in the casino today. When i spend that $500, i will walk out with $9500 in cash and $50k still on cards. That is from training myself and using self control.

I do the same with gaming, i have several credit cards with enough available credit to buy a small house. If i dont exercise self control i will be broke, bankrupt, and more than likely divorced. So i give myself rules and i NEVER break my own rules. One of those rules is i have a card specifically for gaming and its secured card( meaning i paid X amount of money that will cover the entire max balance of the card). When i figure my budget, i add an amount to the card that im willing to "throw away" this month. And i stick to that.

Its all about self control. Its not ZOS's responsibility or a casinos or even a government lottery( state/national) responsibility to make sure you have self control and only spend what you can afford to spend. That is all on you and no one else.

How about we take something thats difficult for you in life and then just dismiss it. Im sure someone else can manage whatever it is just fine, so there really are no problems at all.

If you have problems with not being able to control yourself when it comes to the temptation to gamble, there are helplines for that. Its not a businesses job to monitor and control someone's gambling problem. Nor should i have to suffer and be restricted to what i can do because someone else has a gambling problem, when i can manage just fine.

Seriously, if you feel you have a gambling problem, there are helplines for it that will help you bring it under control and/or conquer it.

I agree, nobody should be restricted because of one persons indiscretion. For example, you dont shut down mcdonalds because of the obese people, but they can offer healthy alternatives. You see restriction every day in churches and the laws people make. Underage people are restricted from buying alchohol. Felons cant buy firearms. How is this any different?

Im not saying you have to be restricted because someone blew their paycheck on ESO, but you have to wonder how much the company actually cares about those people with legitimate issues, and people posting here that its just a personal problem doesnt help. It reminds me of people saying that *** victims are to blame because they dare set foot outside with a provacative outfit on. In my opinion, the company is counting on those with little self control, and that’s not right.

Mc Donalds offers their, and i use this word loosely " healthy" options because it brings in more customers and its also good PR.

The game already has alternatives:

1) you dont have to play just like you dont have to eat at mc donalds.

2) A credit card is required to make purchases and that in itself requires a level of responsibility and an age limit as well.

Look, ive played game of war, and people have literally took out second mortgages , maxed credit cards, got divorced, and had their entire lives ruined because of that game. If your dumb enough to gamble on that level, then all common sense has left the building and you deserve everything you get from that. Call that a hard lesson from the school of hard knocks, but it works. I really have no sympathy for people that have no self control and gambling problems. If you have that problem you should be seeking help not playing a game with chance crates.

Its like an obese person blaming mc donalds for being obese when they eat there 3 times a day. Its not mc donald's fault they eat there, its there own. And i just cant have sympathy for people who just dont create their problems but keep creating them over and over and then want the world to change to fix their problem instead of them getting the help they need to fix their problem.

Crates arent going away. They are huge money makers for MMOs. And this is the only game ive ever played in which people actually wanted the company to fix their personal addiction problem by removing the item that was causing their addiction. I mean the audacity of that alone is just on a whole new level of snowflakeness. People need to just grow up and learn to have some responsibility for themselves and stop thinking everyone is going to be their nanny and babysit them.

I agree people need to be responsible for themselves and companies shouldnt restrict some people because of a few peoples bad behavior. They will do it if they lose money, like with DRM, but if it makes them money then its ok. Its not about coddling the weak, its about limiting predatory tactics, and it shouldn’t matter if the victim is the company or the consumer.

forwardbias83 · March 2018

Crown crates are not so bad compared to pay to win games. Where to have an edge in the game, you must spend hundreds, even thousands of dollars. Crates are limited to things like looks. At least in ESO, this is not one of those so called Expensive but Free to Play Games. Games where you have people that will pay $10, $20K or more on pixels to dominate everyone else on PVP boards. Several years ago, I read about someone in a game, paying over 100K $ for a virtual space station in real life money.

Maryal · March 2018

Caitsith wrote: »

boombazookajd wrote: »

I opened 15 crates for the first time ever, to see what it was like. I got a mustang mount, a mountain of pots, a few face tats (all the same kind), a useless costume of Wayrest, and a lot of xp scrolls. A lot of useless trash.

It wasn't worth it and I won't ever do it again.

However...I'm not going to call for some kind of ban or the removal of the crates. For one, we are adults and should be treated as such. We don't need to be coddled. I don't find any part of this game addictive. The crates suck, but sometimes they don't.

I'm so tired of hearing about the psychology behind video games. They don't cause kids to kill, they don't make us addicted monsters that want crown crates.

There's a lot of things in life that release dopamine. It's March Madness, how many people do you think blew money comparable to, or in excess of, crown crates on college basketball?

Really, if you are an adult and want to buy em, have at it. You might get a good mount or some xp scrolls. Otherwise, they suck. But i'm not going to buy into the whole addiction thing. There are far more important things to deal with in the game and IRL.

You can't generalize your behaviour or your experience and consider it as the only one valid and also using it for invalidate something that has been proven. And the topic here is the loot boxes and ESO, not these irl things that also release dopamine. Stay related to it with your statements.

Especially when what I wrote there has been proven by psychology and scientific research, tired of hearing it or not will change nothing to these facts.

And when we are vulnerable about all these things, being an adult is not enough and absolutely not a good reason to not be manipulated and vunerable. (please don't give me the poor agurment of personal responsability)

Not everyone is prone to addictive behavior patterns, and of those who are, crown crates are probably the least of their "addictive" worries.

Wrubius_Coronaria · March 2018

@boombazookajd

Spare me your poor lessons of maturity, judgments and your walls of texts. I'm not reading them anyway. And you will also save your time. I don't care at all about last word (which seems to interest you more than me honestly) any others uninteressting reasons. And if myself or this thread bother you so much, then you don't have to be here, you know right?

And stop tagging me in your messages, be nice just once.

Ilithyania · March 2018

if crate bundles guaranteed at least 1 Apex Rare Mount Ill buy

the drop RNG, makes me spend CROWNS on other stuff atm

Allypage · May 2018

free crown crates are nice. but I don't buy them. I'd rather just but what I want at a reasonable price. Take my money for what I actually want. and not at a stoopid cost

Skua · May 2018

I actually watched all the videos. I just found their reactions to be really cute to be honest. I'm guilty of liking to watch un-boxing videos though and this had a similar vibe.

maroite · May 2018

Caitsith wrote: »

which in turn keeps the servers going, the staff paid, and more content coming out

@Boombazookajd

Is it a beautiful lie that you repeat yourself as a mantra every time you buy some crown crates it to feel less guilty? The game runs with a better perfomance and had less bugs and issues since these gamble boxes has been added in game? No, of course not. It's a nice bonus for them for increase their profit. That's all.

The rest of your message, well, I have no words. But it's quite the same of your previous message.

I like how you're condescending towards people who buy crown crates. If people are buying them, it's their choice. If they get enjoyment from them its their choice.

People get enjoyment from cigarettes and alcohol, both of which are exactly as you describe crates in your OP. You drink/smoke them, they're gone, your money is gone, and you're left with what? A hang over? Or worse a DUI or cancer?

The hard fact is that you don't have any right or power to dictate what others can spend their money on and that's pretty much the end of this conversation. You can put up ALL of the "proof" you want, but in the end it's not your decision and you shouldn't be attacking/belittling others because they don't agree with you.

The best part is you're also paying for a subscription to play with digital goods, that you don't know if it'll actually be available tomorrow or not and you're belittling others for purchasing digital goods, for the same game that you're paying a subscription. The difference is what?

Minyassa · May 2018

I'm going to try this. If there's enough of a vicarious win there to satisfy, then maybe I can for the first time experience what it might be like to get something really great from them. Since the RNG loathes me and all. (I never miss an opportunity to call out what a jerk the RNG has been to me, it's really working hard to stomp my spirits.)

Wrubius_Coronaria · May 2018

Please mods close this necro thread. @ZOS_BillE @ZOS_JesC

MLGProPlayer · May 2018

Just don't buy them?

M_Volsung · May 2018

Caitsith wrote: »

Please mods close this necro thread. @ZOS_BillE @ZOS_JesC

Obviously it's not a necro thread if people are still posting in it.

Can't delete the thread just because the argument isn't going your way.

Wrubius_Coronaria · May 2018

Agreeing or not has nothing to do with the message who brought back this thread to live, it's a necro, almost 1 month later.

Please mods close this necro thread. @ZOS_BillE @ZOS_JesC @ZOS_MikaS @ZOS_MatM

HappyLittleTree · May 2018

Got 6 free Crates and 3 mounts (1 double) can't complain.

Best way to not buy crown crates is to not buy crown crates.

moses1763 · May 2018

roflmbo someone is truly scared of Crown Crates /giggle

MarrazzMist · May 2018

Caitsith wrote: »

Hello everyone

It's quite simple, just watch videos from others players opening them. I am really serious

I actually do this, it’s fun. Great way to hype about new season without spending crowns. Or atleast not too many of them

Asardes · May 2018

There's really nothing complicated: Just don't buy them. They are in the game for a year, and I've only opened a dozen or so, all which were given free, as a subscriber bonus. Besides the collectibles I got from them and I basically never use, and a couple of motif books I learned on alts (the main crafter already knew then and it's up to date with everything), everything else was broken up into gems and used to buy XP scrolls so I can level newer alts. I already do enough to support the game by subscribing, so I see no point in spending more money to buy crowns, and then to buy crates. The ~330 EUR I've spent on this game in nearly 3 years are more than enough to pay for everything.

DieAlteHexe · May 2018

I'll join in on the "just don't buy them" team.

Willpower. It's a thing.

Wrubius_Coronaria · May 2018

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

I'll join in on the "just don't buy them" team.

Willpower. It's a thing.

Even when you are addicted and struggle to convince yourself to not buy them? Despite the fact you know they are not worth to be bought?

Violynne · May 2018

boombazookajd wrote: »

I'm so tired of hearing about the psychology behind video games. They don't cause kids to kill, they don't make us addicted monsters that want crown crates.

Let me show you something:

I opened 15 crates for the first time ever, to see what it was like. I got a mustang mount, a mountain of pots, a few face tats (all the same kind), a useless costume of Wayrest, and a lot of xp scrolls. A lot of useless trash.

Your entire post premises on the fact we're adults and don't need to be coddled, yet you deliberately wasted money you knew was a stupid thing to do.

In other words: your own post defeated your own argument because you bought Crown Crates.

There is nothing else you can say to challenge there's no psychological impact on the game.

This tactic is well known, and actual lotteries use it all the time to get people to buy. Let me show you how:

Lottery Ads wrote:

Dream of a new house, or a car, or perhaps you want to send your kids to college. You have a chance to make these dreams possible by playing STATE LOTTERY. With each purchase, a portion of the proceeds goes towards funding public education, lowering taxes, and maintaining the roads you drive every day. So take a chance. Buy a STATE LOTTERY ticket today.

See what the ad does? Go watch any lottery ad and you'll see this.

This is psychology at play. It builds upon your feelings that by spending money, you're doing something great.

If you want even more proof, take a look at the Crown Crate offerings.

Have you ever noticed they put the Radiant Apex and Apex rewards atop the listing?

That's psychology. This gives viewers that excitement that this item is something you may get with a purchase of a Crown Crate. Why not improve your odds buy getting more!

It's great you bought them once, and seem to be done with them.

But the fact you got suckered with even one purchase shows how anyone can be a victim of this tactic.

The only people who benefit from this system are the people who DO. NOT. BUY. THEM.

Vulsahdaal · May 2018

Caitsith wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

I'll join in on the "just don't buy them" team.

Willpower. It's a thing.

Even when you are addicted and struggle to convince yourself to not buy them? Despite the fact you know they are not worth to be bought?

Yes. Especially then.

For someone like me, who doesnt care one way or the other about crates and could take them or leave them, willpower isnt really necessary.

But for someone who is 'stuggling to convince themselves not to buy them' because they know their own personal situation and its not the right thing for them to do, then yes, willpower is a thing.

Those who use it will be fine, those who dont may have to face some consequences. Id say in this case, its definitely a thing.

JamieAubrey · May 2018