Tip : the best way to avoid buying crown crates!

Wrubius_Coronaria · March 2018

Hello everyone

It's quite simple, just watch videos from others players opening them. I am really serious!

Trust me, it's quite satisfying, and don't forget to do it every time you want to buy crown crates.
I've tried this my myself, see others players opening these random boxes gives the same feeling of reward and satisfaction as if you open them.

And think about how bad the rng is and all the money wasted for virtual goods. Save your money, and keep in mind what are the benefit of all these collectibles for you when the game will be uninstalled or closed one day? Or even when you will be bored with ESO? Was it really worth the money spent for that?

(crates are really addictive don't underestimate how this system work and incite you to buy more because you're thinking you will be luckier the next time)

Interesting press article there :

The troubling psychology of pay to loot systems
http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/04/24/the-troubling-psychology-of-pay-to-loot-systems

The science behind why we love loot
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2015/10/23/the-science-behind-why-we-love-loot.aspx

https://www.pcgamer.com/behind-the-addictive-psychology-and-seductive-art-of-loot-boxes/

Quote about dopamine rush and why rng loots are so addictive and keep us playing more:

Addicted to the Dopamine Rush

Our brains release a chemical called dopamine to make us feel happy when something good happens. Dopamine is also released at the first sign of something that has, in the past, been positive.

If you come across a chest in a loot-oriented game, your brain releases dopamine because opening a chest in the past has resulted in coveted loot. Making things more complicated, unexpected meaningful loot results in a bigger dopamine hit, which keeps players coming back for more in the hope that above-average rewards might again ensue.

The trick, though, is that the sporadic nature of loot means our brain is constantly trying to figure out how to get that dopamine hit, despite the other, logical parts of our mind knowing there’s no way to actually control the unsystematic environment.
Source : http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2015/10/23/the-science-behind-why-we-love-loot.aspx

I'd like to add, rng is present almost everywhere in ESO, and this rng system is not only a part of lootboxes. I think it's why this game is so addictive in general. The hope for a better reward and interesting loot, even in a treasure chest or in a dungeon boss. But there is a lot of write about this, maybe enough for another thread.

A small selection of videos for you! I hope it help! And don't forget how unfair, manipulative and predatory are these rng lootboxes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaDdRLVUohg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wgnwTJo23o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOi9yN-kNAo

MyKillv2.0 · March 2018

lol

Anotherone773 · March 2018

21 Crown crates in( 3 were free, 15 with ESO plus crowns) i got the mastiff, the sabre cub, the stripey horse and the galvanized storm horse( radiant apex mount) or whatever its called. I also pretty much got every costume, every emote, every marking( no skins) about a dozen xp scrolls, 2 major xp scrolls, 1 grand xp scroll, and just over 200 gems.

Im actually only interested in the motifs or gems to buy the motifs. Its a guaranteed win for me at this point because ill either get the motifs or enough gems to buy. And its far easier for me to earn the $$ out of game to acquire gems, than it would be to farm gold, writs, or the motifs themselves if/when they become drop/bought items.

Lynx7386 · March 2018

Usually I scan through the crown crate potential rewards and ill find some little cosmetic thing I like or want. Ill then buy just a few crates so in can extract crown gems from anything I don't want and buy that one thing I did. If I get a mount or whatever along the way, cool beans.

Anotherone773 · March 2018

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Usually I scan through the crown crate potential rewards and ill find some little cosmetic thing I like or want. Ill then buy just a few crates so in can extract crown gems from anything I don't want and buy that one thing I did. If I get a mount or whatever along the way, cool beans.

Thats the way to do it. Trying to get a radiant apex and then a specific radiant apex, you might as well play the lottery and go for the jackpot with that money. Go for something reasonably obtainable.

Wrubius_Coronaria · March 2018

MyKillv2.0 wrote: »

lol

You should be permantly locked in a tiny loot boxe for that!

boombazookajd · March 2018

I opened 15 crates for the first time ever, to see what it was like. I got a mustang mount, a mountain of pots, a few face tats (all the same kind), a useless costume of Wayrest, and a lot of xp scrolls. A lot of useless trash.

It wasn't worth it and I won't ever do it again.

However...I'm not going to call for some kind of ban or the removal of the crates. For one, we are adults and should be treated as such. We don't need to be coddled. I don't find any part of this game addictive. The crates suck, but sometimes they don't.

I'm so tired of hearing about the psychology behind video games. They don't cause kids to kill, they don't make us addicted monsters that want crown crates.

There's a lot of things in life that release dopamine. It's March Madness, how many people do you think blew money comparable to, or in excess of, crown crates on college basketball?

Really, if you are an adult and want to buy em, have at it. You might get a good mount or some xp scrolls. Otherwise, they suck. But i'm not going to buy into the whole addiction thing. There are far more important things to deal with in the game and IRL.

boombazookajd · March 2018

Anotherone773 wrote: »

21 Crown crates in( 3 were free, 15 with ESO plus crowns) i got the mastiff, the sabre cub, the stripey horse and the galvanized storm horse( radiant apex mount) or whatever its called. I also pretty much got every costume, every emote, every marking( no skins) about a dozen xp scrolls, 2 major xp scrolls, 1 grand xp scroll, and just over 200 gems.

Im actually only interested in the motifs or gems to buy the motifs. Its a guaranteed win for me at this point because ill either get the motifs or enough gems to buy. And its far easier for me to earn the $$ out of game to acquire gems, than it would be to farm gold, writs, or the motifs themselves if/when they become drop/bought items.

This is one of the reasons why I got them. I was like, hmm...lets see. I got trash. Well lesson learned. If I use the crown store, which I rarely do outside of my ESO+ crowns, its for direct items, not for the crates.

Wrubius_Coronaria · March 2018

boombazookajd wrote: »

I opened 15 crates for the first time ever, to see what it was like. I got a mustang mount, a mountain of pots, a few face tats (all the same kind), a useless costume of Wayrest, and a lot of xp scrolls. A lot of useless trash.

It wasn't worth it and I won't ever do it again.

However...I'm not going to call for some kind of ban or the removal of the crates. For one, we are adults and should be treated as such. We don't need to be coddled. I don't find any part of this game addictive. The crates suck, but sometimes they don't.

I'm so tired of hearing about the psychology behind video games. They don't cause kids to kill, they don't make us addicted monsters that want crown crates.

There's a lot of things in life that release dopamine. It's March Madness, how many people do you think blew money comparable to, or in excess of, crown crates on college basketball?

Really, if you are an adult and want to buy em, have at it. You might get a good mount or some xp scrolls. Otherwise, they suck. But i'm not going to buy into the whole addiction thing. There are far more important things to deal with in the game and IRL.

You can't generalize your behaviour or your experience and consider it as the only one valid and also using it for invalidate something that has been proven. And the topic here is the loot boxes and ESO, not these irl things that also release dopamine. Stay related to it with your statements.

Especially when what I wrote there has been proven by psychology and scientific research, tired of hearing it or not will change nothing to these facts.

And when we are vulnerable about all these things, being an adult is not enough and absolutely not a good reason to not be manipulated and vunerable. (please don't give me the poor agurment of personal responsability)

Kali_Despoine · March 2018

boombazookajd wrote: »

For one, we are adults and should be treated as such.

This is a game that children play as well. Don't forget that.
Also, even adults have addictions and this is a type of gambling.

DieAlteHexe · March 2018

The poor equine...

Marabornwingrion · March 2018

No, the best way to avoid buying crates is by using your brain.

logarifmik · March 2018

An interesting way to sublimate indeed.

Wrubius_Coronaria · March 2018

Astrid_V wrote: »

No, the best way to avoid buying crates is by using your brain.

That's rude for peoples addicted to gambling. (and absolutely false)

Cpt_Teemo · March 2018

I'm getting Ni No Kuni 2 for my Bday, no crates for me

Anotherone773 · March 2018

Caitsith wrote: »

boombazookajd wrote: »

I opened 15 crates for the first time ever, to see what it was like. I got a mustang mount, a mountain of pots, a few face tats (all the same kind), a useless costume of Wayrest, and a lot of xp scrolls. A lot of useless trash.

It wasn't worth it and I won't ever do it again.

However...I'm not going to call for some kind of ban or the removal of the crates. For one, we are adults and should be treated as such. We don't need to be coddled. I don't find any part of this game addictive. The crates suck, but sometimes they don't.

I'm so tired of hearing about the psychology behind video games. They don't cause kids to kill, they don't make us addicted monsters that want crown crates.

There's a lot of things in life that release dopamine. It's March Madness, how many people do you think blew money comparable to, or in excess of, crown crates on college basketball?

Really, if you are an adult and want to buy em, have at it. You might get a good mount or some xp scrolls. Otherwise, they suck. But i'm not going to buy into the whole addiction thing. There are far more important things to deal with in the game and IRL.

You can't generalize your behaviour or your experience and consider it as the only one valid and also using it for invalidate something that has been proven. And the topic here is the loot boxes and ESO, not these irl things that also release dopamine. Stay related to it with your statements.

Especially when what I wrote there has been proven by psychology and scientific research, tired of hearing it or not will change nothing to these facts.

And when we are vulnerable about all these things, being an adult is not enough and absolutely not a good reason to not be manipulated and vunerable. (please don't give me the poor agurment of personal responsability)

Its a completely valid argument. Have some self control. If you are buying crown crates but trying to figure out how to pay your electric bill you might have an issue. Gambling and not getting addicted to it is YOUR responsibility, not everyone elses and most certainly not a business.

Not getting addicted is all about the mindset:

1) The house always wins. If you win its not because the house lost but because 10 other people lost to make up for your win.

2) Never play to win, play for fun. If you play to win you try to win and it changes your mindset. You think " Its going to hit any time now" and you just keep pumping money into the system believing that next dollar is going to not only recover all your money but you will come out ahead. That's addiction. Play for fun.

3) Always determine how much money you can or want to part with before you start gambling. Only spend that amount. In casinos i trained myself by taking all plastic out of my wallet and all cash but the cash i was willing to part with. So i walk into a casino with some cash and an ID. When all i have left is the ID, i walk out. Do that enough times and you train yourself to set a limit and stick to it. With online stuff, i have a credit card with a $1k limit. Some months i will put $100 on it and others ill free up $500 or more. That is how much i willing to spend on gaming and such that month. Regardless i will never spend more than the $1000 limit in a month and i spend far less most months, usually $100 or less.

When i bought crown crates, i bought a set amount with the expectation of either i was going to win what i wanted or i was going to acquire enough gems to buy it. I didnt keep going to trying to win everything. I knew going in that would likely take hundreds if not thousands of dollars.

A little bit of self control and self discipline goes a long way. I can walk into a casino with $10k in cash and $50k on cards and decide before i step foot in that im spending $500 in the casino today. When i spend that $500, i will walk out with $9500 in cash and $50k still on cards. That is from training myself and using self control.

I do the same with gaming, i have several credit cards with enough available credit to buy a small house. If i dont exercise self control i will be broke, bankrupt, and more than likely divorced. So i give myself rules and i NEVER break my own rules. One of those rules is i have a card specifically for gaming and its secured card( meaning i paid X amount of money that will cover the entire max balance of the card). When i figure my budget, i add an amount to the card that im willing to "throw away" this month. And i stick to that.

Its all about self control. Its not ZOS's responsibility or a casinos or even a government lottery( state/national) responsibility to make sure you have self control and only spend what you can afford to spend. That is all on you and no one else.

Beardimus · March 2018

Or just don't buy them....

Or set a budget if you can afford them and stick to it.

It's just impulse control. I have no concern with crates, stuff that appeals to kids I do, football stickers, kinder eggs, these collectables crap that are advertised permanently on kids TV.

Soul_Marrow · March 2018

Beardimus wrote: »

Or just don't buy them....

This^

It's pretty easy not to waste money on things that hold absolutely no real value and have ZERO resale value due to being account bound. If you are going to gamble, go to a casino where you could at least win REAL money. This crown crate stuff is for the brainless. Let's sit down and talk about RoI. I can assure you it will help you lead a happier life.

Motherball · March 2018

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Caitsith wrote: »

boombazookajd wrote: »

I opened 15 crates for the first time ever, to see what it was like. I got a mustang mount, a mountain of pots, a few face tats (all the same kind), a useless costume of Wayrest, and a lot of xp scrolls. A lot of useless trash.

It wasn't worth it and I won't ever do it again.

However...I'm not going to call for some kind of ban or the removal of the crates. For one, we are adults and should be treated as such. We don't need to be coddled. I don't find any part of this game addictive. The crates suck, but sometimes they don't.

I'm so tired of hearing about the psychology behind video games. They don't cause kids to kill, they don't make us addicted monsters that want crown crates.

There's a lot of things in life that release dopamine. It's March Madness, how many people do you think blew money comparable to, or in excess of, crown crates on college basketball?

Really, if you are an adult and want to buy em, have at it. You might get a good mount or some xp scrolls. Otherwise, they suck. But i'm not going to buy into the whole addiction thing. There are far more important things to deal with in the game and IRL.

You can't generalize your behaviour or your experience and consider it as the only one valid and also using it for invalidate something that has been proven. And the topic here is the loot boxes and ESO, not these irl things that also release dopamine. Stay related to it with your statements.

Especially when what I wrote there has been proven by psychology and scientific research, tired of hearing it or not will change nothing to these facts.

And when we are vulnerable about all these things, being an adult is not enough and absolutely not a good reason to not be manipulated and vunerable. (please don't give me the poor agurment of personal responsability)

Its a completely valid argument. Have some self control. If you are buying crown crates but trying to figure out how to pay your electric bill you might have an issue. Gambling and not getting addicted to it is YOUR responsibility, not everyone elses and most certainly not a business.

Not getting addicted is all about the mindset:

1) The house always wins. If you win its not because the house lost but because 10 other people lost to make up for your win.

2) Never play to win, play for fun. If you play to win you try to win and it changes your mindset. You think " Its going to hit any time now" and you just keep pumping money into the system believing that next dollar is going to not only recover all your money but you will come out ahead. That's addiction. Play for fun.

3) Always determine how much money you can or want to part with before you start gambling. Only spend that amount. In casinos i trained myself by taking all plastic out of my wallet and all cash but the cash i was willing to part with. So i walk into a casino with some cash and an ID. When all i have left is the ID, i walk out. Do that enough times and you train yourself to set a limit and stick to it. With online stuff, i have a credit card with a $1k limit. Some months i will put $100 on it and others ill free up $500 or more. That is how much i willing to spend on gaming and such that month. Regardless i will never spend more than the $1000 limit in a month and i spend far less most months, usually $100 or less.

When i bought crown crates, i bought a set amount with the expectation of either i was going to win what i wanted or i was going to acquire enough gems to buy it. I didnt keep going to trying to win everything. I knew going in that would likely take hundreds if not thousands of dollars.

A little bit of self control and self discipline goes a long way. I can walk into a casino with $10k in cash and $50k on cards and decide before i step foot in that im spending $500 in the casino today. When i spend that $500, i will walk out with $9500 in cash and $50k still on cards. That is from training myself and using self control.

I do the same with gaming, i have several credit cards with enough available credit to buy a small house. If i dont exercise self control i will be broke, bankrupt, and more than likely divorced. So i give myself rules and i NEVER break my own rules. One of those rules is i have a card specifically for gaming and its secured card( meaning i paid X amount of money that will cover the entire max balance of the card). When i figure my budget, i add an amount to the card that im willing to "throw away" this month. And i stick to that.

Its all about self control. Its not ZOS's responsibility or a casinos or even a government lottery( state/national) responsibility to make sure you have self control and only spend what you can afford to spend. That is all on you and no one else.

How about we take something thats difficult for you in life and then just dismiss it. Im sure someone else can manage whatever it is just fine, so there really are no problems at all.

Juju_beans · March 2018

Kali_Despoine wrote: »

boombazookajd wrote: »

For one, we are adults and should be treated as such.

This is a game that children play as well. Don't forget that.
Also, even adults have addictions and this is a type of gambling.

ESO is rated M (17+)

DieAlteHexe · March 2018

Kali_Despoine wrote: »

boombazookajd wrote: »

For one, we are adults and should be treated as such.

This is a game that children play as well. Don't forget that.
Also, even adults have addictions and this is a type of gambling.

Not sure if they have these where you live but...Kinder Eggs.

Aimed squarely at the wee ones. It's as much a gamble (albeit at a lower price point by far) and everyone I know here was raised with these and not a single one of 'em turned into a gambling fool.

Anotherone773 · March 2018

Motherball wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Caitsith wrote: »

boombazookajd wrote: »

I opened 15 crates for the first time ever, to see what it was like. I got a mustang mount, a mountain of pots, a few face tats (all the same kind), a useless costume of Wayrest, and a lot of xp scrolls. A lot of useless trash.

It wasn't worth it and I won't ever do it again.

However...I'm not going to call for some kind of ban or the removal of the crates. For one, we are adults and should be treated as such. We don't need to be coddled. I don't find any part of this game addictive. The crates suck, but sometimes they don't.

I'm so tired of hearing about the psychology behind video games. They don't cause kids to kill, they don't make us addicted monsters that want crown crates.

There's a lot of things in life that release dopamine. It's March Madness, how many people do you think blew money comparable to, or in excess of, crown crates on college basketball?

Really, if you are an adult and want to buy em, have at it. You might get a good mount or some xp scrolls. Otherwise, they suck. But i'm not going to buy into the whole addiction thing. There are far more important things to deal with in the game and IRL.

You can't generalize your behaviour or your experience and consider it as the only one valid and also using it for invalidate something that has been proven. And the topic here is the loot boxes and ESO, not these irl things that also release dopamine. Stay related to it with your statements.

Especially when what I wrote there has been proven by psychology and scientific research, tired of hearing it or not will change nothing to these facts.

And when we are vulnerable about all these things, being an adult is not enough and absolutely not a good reason to not be manipulated and vunerable. (please don't give me the poor agurment of personal responsability)

Its a completely valid argument. Have some self control. If you are buying crown crates but trying to figure out how to pay your electric bill you might have an issue. Gambling and not getting addicted to it is YOUR responsibility, not everyone elses and most certainly not a business.

Not getting addicted is all about the mindset:

1) The house always wins. If you win its not because the house lost but because 10 other people lost to make up for your win.

2) Never play to win, play for fun. If you play to win you try to win and it changes your mindset. You think " Its going to hit any time now" and you just keep pumping money into the system believing that next dollar is going to not only recover all your money but you will come out ahead. That's addiction. Play for fun.

3) Always determine how much money you can or want to part with before you start gambling. Only spend that amount. In casinos i trained myself by taking all plastic out of my wallet and all cash but the cash i was willing to part with. So i walk into a casino with some cash and an ID. When all i have left is the ID, i walk out. Do that enough times and you train yourself to set a limit and stick to it. With online stuff, i have a credit card with a $1k limit. Some months i will put $100 on it and others ill free up $500 or more. That is how much i willing to spend on gaming and such that month. Regardless i will never spend more than the $1000 limit in a month and i spend far less most months, usually $100 or less.

When i bought crown crates, i bought a set amount with the expectation of either i was going to win what i wanted or i was going to acquire enough gems to buy it. I didnt keep going to trying to win everything. I knew going in that would likely take hundreds if not thousands of dollars.

A little bit of self control and self discipline goes a long way. I can walk into a casino with $10k in cash and $50k on cards and decide before i step foot in that im spending $500 in the casino today. When i spend that $500, i will walk out with $9500 in cash and $50k still on cards. That is from training myself and using self control.

I do the same with gaming, i have several credit cards with enough available credit to buy a small house. If i dont exercise self control i will be broke, bankrupt, and more than likely divorced. So i give myself rules and i NEVER break my own rules. One of those rules is i have a card specifically for gaming and its secured card( meaning i paid X amount of money that will cover the entire max balance of the card). When i figure my budget, i add an amount to the card that im willing to "throw away" this month. And i stick to that.

Its all about self control. Its not ZOS's responsibility or a casinos or even a government lottery( state/national) responsibility to make sure you have self control and only spend what you can afford to spend. That is all on you and no one else.

How about we take something thats difficult for you in life and then just dismiss it. Im sure someone else can manage whatever it is just fine, so there really are no problems at all.

If you have problems with not being able to control yourself when it comes to the temptation to gamble, there are helplines for that. Its not a businesses job to monitor and control someone's gambling problem. Nor should i have to suffer and be restricted to what i can do because someone else has a gambling problem, when i can manage just fine.

Seriously, if you feel you have a gambling problem, there are helplines for it that will help you bring it under control and/or conquer it.

Edit to add: This would be like a alcoholic demanding that a bar they drive by on the way home every day stop selling alcohol because they are tempted to stop in and drink. When the common sense solution would be for the alcoholic to take a different route and seek help. NOT the bar stop selling alcohol.

Its pretty much the same thing as " they shouldn't sell crates because of gambling addiction"

Motherball · March 2018

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Motherball wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Caitsith wrote: »

boombazookajd wrote: »

I opened 15 crates for the first time ever, to see what it was like. I got a mustang mount, a mountain of pots, a few face tats (all the same kind), a useless costume of Wayrest, and a lot of xp scrolls. A lot of useless trash.

It wasn't worth it and I won't ever do it again.

However...I'm not going to call for some kind of ban or the removal of the crates. For one, we are adults and should be treated as such. We don't need to be coddled. I don't find any part of this game addictive. The crates suck, but sometimes they don't.

I'm so tired of hearing about the psychology behind video games. They don't cause kids to kill, they don't make us addicted monsters that want crown crates.

There's a lot of things in life that release dopamine. It's March Madness, how many people do you think blew money comparable to, or in excess of, crown crates on college basketball?

Really, if you are an adult and want to buy em, have at it. You might get a good mount or some xp scrolls. Otherwise, they suck. But i'm not going to buy into the whole addiction thing. There are far more important things to deal with in the game and IRL.

You can't generalize your behaviour or your experience and consider it as the only one valid and also using it for invalidate something that has been proven. And the topic here is the loot boxes and ESO, not these irl things that also release dopamine. Stay related to it with your statements.

Especially when what I wrote there has been proven by psychology and scientific research, tired of hearing it or not will change nothing to these facts.

And when we are vulnerable about all these things, being an adult is not enough and absolutely not a good reason to not be manipulated and vunerable. (please don't give me the poor agurment of personal responsability)

Its a completely valid argument. Have some self control. If you are buying crown crates but trying to figure out how to pay your electric bill you might have an issue. Gambling and not getting addicted to it is YOUR responsibility, not everyone elses and most certainly not a business.

Not getting addicted is all about the mindset:

1) The house always wins. If you win its not because the house lost but because 10 other people lost to make up for your win.

2) Never play to win, play for fun. If you play to win you try to win and it changes your mindset. You think " Its going to hit any time now" and you just keep pumping money into the system believing that next dollar is going to not only recover all your money but you will come out ahead. That's addiction. Play for fun.

3) Always determine how much money you can or want to part with before you start gambling. Only spend that amount. In casinos i trained myself by taking all plastic out of my wallet and all cash but the cash i was willing to part with. So i walk into a casino with some cash and an ID. When all i have left is the ID, i walk out. Do that enough times and you train yourself to set a limit and stick to it. With online stuff, i have a credit card with a $1k limit. Some months i will put $100 on it and others ill free up $500 or more. That is how much i willing to spend on gaming and such that month. Regardless i will never spend more than the $1000 limit in a month and i spend far less most months, usually $100 or less.

When i bought crown crates, i bought a set amount with the expectation of either i was going to win what i wanted or i was going to acquire enough gems to buy it. I didnt keep going to trying to win everything. I knew going in that would likely take hundreds if not thousands of dollars.

A little bit of self control and self discipline goes a long way. I can walk into a casino with $10k in cash and $50k on cards and decide before i step foot in that im spending $500 in the casino today. When i spend that $500, i will walk out with $9500 in cash and $50k still on cards. That is from training myself and using self control.

I do the same with gaming, i have several credit cards with enough available credit to buy a small house. If i dont exercise self control i will be broke, bankrupt, and more than likely divorced. So i give myself rules and i NEVER break my own rules. One of those rules is i have a card specifically for gaming and its secured card( meaning i paid X amount of money that will cover the entire max balance of the card). When i figure my budget, i add an amount to the card that im willing to "throw away" this month. And i stick to that.

Its all about self control. Its not ZOS's responsibility or a casinos or even a government lottery( state/national) responsibility to make sure you have self control and only spend what you can afford to spend. That is all on you and no one else.

How about we take something thats difficult for you in life and then just dismiss it. Im sure someone else can manage whatever it is just fine, so there really are no problems at all.

If you have problems with not being able to control yourself when it comes to the temptation to gamble, there are helplines for that. Its not a businesses job to monitor and control someone's gambling problem. Nor should i have to suffer and be restricted to what i can do because someone else has a gambling problem, when i can manage just fine.

Seriously, if you feel you have a gambling problem, there are helplines for it that will help you bring it under control and/or conquer it.

I agree, nobody should be restricted because of one persons indiscretion. For example, you dont shut down mcdonalds because of the obese people, but they can offer healthy alternatives. You see restriction every day in churches and the laws people make. Underage people are restricted from buying alchohol. Felons cant buy firearms. How is this any different?

Im not saying you have to be restricted because someone blew their paycheck on ESO, but you have to wonder how much the company actually cares about those people with legitimate issues, and people posting here that its just a personal problem doesnt help. It reminds me of people saying that *** victims are to blame because they dare set foot outside with a provacative outfit on. In my opinion, the company is counting on those with little self control, and that’s not right.

Juju_beans · March 2018

Caitsith wrote: »

You can't generalize your behaviour or your experience and consider it as the only one valid and also using it for invalidate something that has been proven. And the topic here is the loot boxes and ESO, not these irl things that also release dopamine. Stay related to it with your statements.

Especially when what I wrote there has been proven by psychology and scientific research, tired of hearing it or not will change nothing to these facts.

And when we are vulnerable about all these things, being an adult is not enough and absolutely not a good reason to not be manipulated and vunerable. (please don't give me the poor agurment of personal responsability)

If you know you have an addictive behavior then don't play games with microtransactions.
And if you still can't let it go then seek professional help.

Sky_WK · March 2018

Kali_Despoine wrote: »

boombazookajd wrote: »

For one, we are adults and should be treated as such.

This is a game that children play as well. Don't forget that.
Also, even adults have addictions and this is a type of gambling.

It's rated M (17+) so it shouldn't be aimed towards kids. Yes kids will always play M games but companies shouldn't be allowed to market based on the assumption that people below the recommended age limit will play it.

redspecter23 · March 2018

I watched those posted videos and every one of them got an apex mount. I believe one of them even got two. If anything these videos are an advertisement to BUY crates, not stay away from them. I wanted to see some sad dude who spent $500 and got no mounts at all. I think that was my biggest disappointment.

Anotherone773 · March 2018

Motherball wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Motherball wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Caitsith wrote: »

boombazookajd wrote: »

I opened 15 crates for the first time ever, to see what it was like. I got a mustang mount, a mountain of pots, a few face tats (all the same kind), a useless costume of Wayrest, and a lot of xp scrolls. A lot of useless trash.

It wasn't worth it and I won't ever do it again.

However...I'm not going to call for some kind of ban or the removal of the crates. For one, we are adults and should be treated as such. We don't need to be coddled. I don't find any part of this game addictive. The crates suck, but sometimes they don't.

I'm so tired of hearing about the psychology behind video games. They don't cause kids to kill, they don't make us addicted monsters that want crown crates.

There's a lot of things in life that release dopamine. It's March Madness, how many people do you think blew money comparable to, or in excess of, crown crates on college basketball?

Really, if you are an adult and want to buy em, have at it. You might get a good mount or some xp scrolls. Otherwise, they suck. But i'm not going to buy into the whole addiction thing. There are far more important things to deal with in the game and IRL.

You can't generalize your behaviour or your experience and consider it as the only one valid and also using it for invalidate something that has been proven. And the topic here is the loot boxes and ESO, not these irl things that also release dopamine. Stay related to it with your statements.

Especially when what I wrote there has been proven by psychology and scientific research, tired of hearing it or not will change nothing to these facts.

And when we are vulnerable about all these things, being an adult is not enough and absolutely not a good reason to not be manipulated and vunerable. (please don't give me the poor agurment of personal responsability)

Its a completely valid argument. Have some self control. If you are buying crown crates but trying to figure out how to pay your electric bill you might have an issue. Gambling and not getting addicted to it is YOUR responsibility, not everyone elses and most certainly not a business.

Not getting addicted is all about the mindset:

1) The house always wins. If you win its not because the house lost but because 10 other people lost to make up for your win.

2) Never play to win, play for fun. If you play to win you try to win and it changes your mindset. You think " Its going to hit any time now" and you just keep pumping money into the system believing that next dollar is going to not only recover all your money but you will come out ahead. That's addiction. Play for fun.

3) Always determine how much money you can or want to part with before you start gambling. Only spend that amount. In casinos i trained myself by taking all plastic out of my wallet and all cash but the cash i was willing to part with. So i walk into a casino with some cash and an ID. When all i have left is the ID, i walk out. Do that enough times and you train yourself to set a limit and stick to it. With online stuff, i have a credit card with a $1k limit. Some months i will put $100 on it and others ill free up $500 or more. That is how much i willing to spend on gaming and such that month. Regardless i will never spend more than the $1000 limit in a month and i spend far less most months, usually $100 or less.

When i bought crown crates, i bought a set amount with the expectation of either i was going to win what i wanted or i was going to acquire enough gems to buy it. I didnt keep going to trying to win everything. I knew going in that would likely take hundreds if not thousands of dollars.

A little bit of self control and self discipline goes a long way. I can walk into a casino with $10k in cash and $50k on cards and decide before i step foot in that im spending $500 in the casino today. When i spend that $500, i will walk out with $9500 in cash and $50k still on cards. That is from training myself and using self control.

I do the same with gaming, i have several credit cards with enough available credit to buy a small house. If i dont exercise self control i will be broke, bankrupt, and more than likely divorced. So i give myself rules and i NEVER break my own rules. One of those rules is i have a card specifically for gaming and its secured card( meaning i paid X amount of money that will cover the entire max balance of the card). When i figure my budget, i add an amount to the card that im willing to "throw away" this month. And i stick to that.

Its all about self control. Its not ZOS's responsibility or a casinos or even a government lottery( state/national) responsibility to make sure you have self control and only spend what you can afford to spend. That is all on you and no one else.

How about we take something thats difficult for you in life and then just dismiss it. Im sure someone else can manage whatever it is just fine, so there really are no problems at all.

If you have problems with not being able to control yourself when it comes to the temptation to gamble, there are helplines for that. Its not a businesses job to monitor and control someone's gambling problem. Nor should i have to suffer and be restricted to what i can do because someone else has a gambling problem, when i can manage just fine.

Seriously, if you feel you have a gambling problem, there are helplines for it that will help you bring it under control and/or conquer it.

I agree, nobody should be restricted because of one persons indiscretion. For example, you dont shut down mcdonalds because of the obese people, but they can offer healthy alternatives. You see restriction every day in churches and the laws people make. Underage people are restricted from buying alchohol. Felons cant buy firearms. How is this any different?

Im not saying you have to be restricted because someone blew their paycheck on ESO, but you have to wonder how much the company actually cares about those people with legitimate issues, and people posting here that its just a personal problem doesnt help. It reminds me of people saying that *** victims are to blame because they dare set foot outside with a provacative outfit on. In my opinion, the company is counting on those with little self control, and that’s not right.

Mc Donalds offers their, and i use this word loosely " healthy" options because it brings in more customers and its also good PR.

The game already has alternatives:

1) you dont have to play just like you dont have to eat at mc donalds.

2) A credit card is required to make purchases and that in itself requires a level of responsibility and an age limit as well.

Look, ive played game of war, and people have literally took out second mortgages , maxed credit cards, got divorced, and had their entire lives ruined because of that game. If your dumb enough to gamble on that level, then all common sense has left the building and you deserve everything you get from that. Call that a hard lesson from the school of hard knocks, but it works. I really have no sympathy for people that have no self control and gambling problems. If you have that problem you should be seeking help not playing a game with chance crates.

Its like an obese person blaming mc donalds for being obese when they eat there 3 times a day. Its not mc donald's fault they eat there, its there own. And i just cant have sympathy for people who just dont create their problems but keep creating them over and over and then want the world to change to fix their problem instead of them getting the help they need to fix their problem.

Crates arent going away. They are huge money makers for MMOs. And this is the only game ive ever played in which people actually wanted the company to fix their personal addiction problem by removing the item that was causing their addiction. I mean the audacity of that alone is just on a whole new level of snowflakeness. People need to just grow up and learn to have some responsibility for themselves and stop thinking everyone is going to be their nanny and babysit them.

boombazookajd · March 2018

Caitsith wrote: »

You can't generalize your behaviour or your experience and consider it as the only one valid and also using it for invalidate something that has been proven. And the topic here is the loot boxes and ESO, not these irl things that also release dopamine. Stay related to it with your statements.

Especially when what I wrote there has been proven by psychology and scientific research, tired of hearing it or not will change nothing to these facts.

And when we are vulnerable about all these things, being an adult is not enough and absolutely not a good reason to not be manipulated and vunerable. (please don't give me the poor agurment of personal responsability)

@Caitsith, No but what I can do is demand to be treated differently than the bum who has a gambling addiction. Everything in the world is addictive if you really break it down. Also, don't tell me that this isn't IRL, because the game- however made up it is- is still part of real life. I've dealt with a few family addicts, alcohol and gambling and guess what, they rely on being coddled. They are manipulative and will do everything they can to get you to feel sorry for them.

So NO. I will not consider you're opinions as "facts". Sure, psychology has figured out dopamine makes us happy. We are all addicted to dopamine really. Further, as others have said, this is actually NOT a children's game (for example, The Lusty Argronian Maid). Children have parents who control the credit card. If they don't well, again, not my fault.

Let me see you protest scratch off tickets, and government run lotteries. I had a family member addicted to gambling.

This is just 2018 internet outrage activism, "I feel there is a problem so SOMETHING MUST BE DONE!"

NO.

I'm a well adjusted, mostly normal individual who doesn't believe those who are the same should have something taken away because of a few who aren't. And again, personal responsibility isn't a "poor argument". It's absolutely 100% lawfully and morally valid.

If you feel vulnerable, then stop playing the game. I don't feel vulnerable. Why? Because I'm too busy working my ass off to pay the bills to come home and think "Oh let me blow $40 on 15 crates!" on a basis that would be enough to be called an "addiction".

Lastly, if you are the kind of person who can get addicted to a stupid box in a silly video game full of imaginary horses, tigers, and bears or lousy costumes that look ridiculous, then you are likely hooked on something "IRL" that is far, far worse than a video game.

Cry all you want about crown crates but as long as they contain useless cosmetics and they pull a decent profit from them, which in turn keeps the servers going, the staff paid, and more content coming out (and imagine it, bug fixes) then by gawd I don't care if there are a few "addicted" folks out there buying up crown crates and you know what, I bet they enjoy eventually getting that silly flaming horse while they can, till the light bill is due and they wind up in the dark. Maybe that'll teach em a lesson! Just like it took a family member a trip to the hospital to figure out pounding a few 40's after work wasn't a good thing.

So maybe you'll apologize if I feel that those of us in the community with self control don't need to be punished for the deeds of the irresponsible who lack self control and the wherewithal to prioritize needs over wants.

FloppyTouch · March 2018

I watched these videos and they made me buy 100$ worth

Grimm13 · March 2018

The best way don't buy Crowns. No Crowns then no Crown Crates.

Wrubius_Coronaria · March 2018

which in turn keeps the servers going, the staff paid, and more content coming out

@Boombazookajd

Is it a beautiful lie that you repeat yourself as a mantra every time you buy some crown crates it to feel less guilty? The game runs with a better perfomance and had less bugs and issues since these gamble boxes has been added in game? No, of course not. It's a nice bonus for them for increase their profit. That's all.

The rest of your message, well, I have no words. But it's quite the same of your previous message.