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Stop to support profeteers! don't buy overpriced Minotaur Chests' motifs!
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Jhalin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭MasterSpatula wrote: »This has as much to do with ZOS nerfing the droprate of Minotaur to a level that no one but a straight-up sociopath would even consider as it does with the outfit system.
Oh... now that can explain some posts...
I'm pretty sure Minotaur wasn't mentioned in the Patch notes0 -
Morvane✭✭✭✭guys you are talking about high demand
but here was an event: x2 drop for gold cost motives
all of them dropped in price. Assasins leasgue now is even for free
and some clever man just bought up all Mino chests and placed em for 150k.
this is speculating.DC Dunmer Sorcerer since 2014
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Taleof2Cities✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Or, you could be self-sufficient and farm Limenauruus until you get the chest piece. Cost = zero gold.0 -
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✭✭✭I am selling them for >100k. I farmed them every day, with a tiny drop rate. Who does not like the price can get them from someone else. No problem.Vaerah, Dark Elf Magicka Sorceress
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NoTimeToWait✭✭✭✭✭If you were farming instead of having your time spent posting this thread, reading replies and posting replies to replies, it would probably net you almost half the sum you require to buy the chest page.
It's for perspective. I don't say that you shouldn't have posted your opinion. Just to remind you that people spend time on different things. This speculator you are talking about didn't buy these chest pages out of blue, he spent his time researching market, gathering trading knowledge and gold, so he deserves his profits if he is able to apply everything he's got.
If you invest your time in farming, or researching market trends (and certainly motif trend was quite predictable, if we are not talking about specific motifs), then you have right to have higher profits in your sphere of expertise (even if it's gaming expertise). If you haven't foreseen something, then don't blame others for gaining profit and being faster than you.1 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
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Let me try to summarize.
Proc sets were a problem so ZOS dealt with them by nerfing them until they were useless.
Buying Minotaur motifs low and selling them for jacked up prices is a problem, so ZOS should deal with them (in another comment, OP states that this problem is as bad as goldselling and botting, so presumably OP wants ZOS to declare buying low and selling for absurd prices to be against the TOS and a bannable offense.)
Never mind that market speculation isn't against the TOS at all...0 -
WuffyCerulei✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭That's insane. I'd understand if the price was 10-20k more than before, but not over 100k more. That's just pure greed."Buzz Lightyear toy isle shot" Stormcalling/Animal Companions/Assassination PVP build hater
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭WuffyCerulei wrote: »That's insane. I'd understand if the price was 10-20k more than before, but not over 100k more. That's just pure greed.
Of course its greed.
Of course its market manipulation.
You've still got the option to farm for your own motif or wait for the initial demand to die down until prices go back to normal.
However, market manipulation or profiteering or buying low/selling absurdly high isn't against the rules of ESO. Something like this was happening with Aetherial Dust a while back and ZOS shrugged it off. In a month or two all the prices will be back to normal.0 -
Billy2112✭✭✭Well, if you desire it get the gold buy it. The demand sets the price irregardless of how it arrives at it being desirable. I am sure you have used MM or other mean to "price" items and had you had on I think highly you would want all you can get for it. Except its now you want it so the market should price itself based on your sense of entitlement? Ok.1 -
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
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Not my argument, just summarizing the OP's, which for the record, I disagree with.0 -
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Look, Señor Andy, you'll need to put aside things like rational and objective thought if you want to get far in this thread.Edited by witchdoctor on March 17, 2018 3:23AM4 -
JKorr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »DeadlyRecluse wrote: »
The reason is the outfitting system. Just like when master writs first dropped, outfitting has caused a bump in all motif prices. The big difference, though, is outfitting heavily favors desirable motif pages rather than just completing motifs. So things like Minotaur chests are worth a fair amount now.They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason.
I missed the patch where they banned proc sets, I guess. Last I checked they're still allowed--plus this is completely irrelevant to a market speculation question.Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
sets allowed but totally nerfed to nearly useless stance.
Outfit is no reason. Other sets even become cheaper. It's all about these chests - even with x2 drop event. And only chests. Other Mino motifs became even 20% cheaper
I really don't understand the connection to proc sets. Proc sets were overperforming in Battlegrounds and doing more DPS than intended in PVE, so ZOS nerfed them.
Market manipulation by buying items cheap and reselling them for a high price isn't against the rules or creating problems for ZOS, so I'm not sure why you expect ZOS to deal with the problem.
the connection is metaphoric. Not prohibited but near to broke game expirience.They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason. They good? Yep, decent. But this is direct speculation. Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
Let me get this straight.... You are upset that price fixing may be in play here to have higher prices, but you are here to try to do price fixing for a lower price.... huh....
no, just ask dont support profeteers. It's not prohibited tooDeadlyRecluse wrote: »
The reason is the outfitting system. Just like when master writs first dropped, outfitting has caused a bump in all motif prices. The big difference, though, is outfitting heavily favors desirable motif pages rather than just completing motifs. So things like Minotaur chests are worth a fair amount now.They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason.
I missed the patch where they banned proc sets, I guess. Last I checked they're still allowed--plus this is completely irrelevant to a market speculation question.Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
sets allowed but totally nerfed to nearly useless stance.
Outfit is no reason. Other sets even become cheaper. It's all about these chests - even with x2 drop event. And only chests. Other Mino motifs became even 20% cheaper
I think You dont get how economy works. Outfits are direct and the only reason why minotaur chest prices went up by that huge amount. Lot of people wants to have bared chest to show their skins/tatoos etc while still looking decent which bathtowel not offers. There is limited amount of chests that can make that desire come true basicly mazzatun , argonian and minotaur. Mazzatun and argonian are much easier to get and are based around different ways of look that not everyone needs to like. From all 3 mentioned solutions minotaur chests are the hardest to get and for many people looks the best. That's why we have current prices. Need generates the price. Now more then ever thanks for outfit system prices of certain motifs pieces are based on their aesthetics.
I know how it work. And I also know more about things among just "buy-sell"
+ u sounded good idea: motif parts cost is based on its aestethic. but... why 1 man have bought all Mino chests and placed em for 150k? Why he decided for other ones? because he had money at the moment. We (me) didn't. It's not about aestetic at all...
Don't think one person bought them all. https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/pc/Trade/SearchResult?ItemID=9581&SortBy=LastSeen&Order=desc0 -
Morvane✭✭✭✭Taleof2Cities wrote: »Or, you could be self-sufficient and farm Limenauruus until you get the chest piece. Cost = zero gold.
same with bread. you buy it instead of solo farming.
what will u do when price go up? farming? or alarming?
same question to another guys who are feeling themselves good and dont take care about other things.DC Dunmer Sorcerer since 2014
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Morvane✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »DeadlyRecluse wrote: »
The reason is the outfitting system. Just like when master writs first dropped, outfitting has caused a bump in all motif prices. The big difference, though, is outfitting heavily favors desirable motif pages rather than just completing motifs. So things like Minotaur chests are worth a fair amount now.They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason.
I missed the patch where they banned proc sets, I guess. Last I checked they're still allowed--plus this is completely irrelevant to a market speculation question.Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
sets allowed but totally nerfed to nearly useless stance.
Outfit is no reason. Other sets even become cheaper. It's all about these chests - even with x2 drop event. And only chests. Other Mino motifs became even 20% cheaper
I really don't understand the connection to proc sets. Proc sets were overperforming in Battlegrounds and doing more DPS than intended in PVE, so ZOS nerfed them.
Market manipulation by buying items cheap and reselling them for a high price isn't against the rules or creating problems for ZOS, so I'm not sure why you expect ZOS to deal with the problem.
the connection is metaphoric. Not prohibited but near to broke game expirience.They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason. They good? Yep, decent. But this is direct speculation. Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
Let me get this straight.... You are upset that price fixing may be in play here to have higher prices, but you are here to try to do price fixing for a lower price.... huh....
no, just ask dont support profeteers. It's not prohibited tooDeadlyRecluse wrote: »
The reason is the outfitting system. Just like when master writs first dropped, outfitting has caused a bump in all motif prices. The big difference, though, is outfitting heavily favors desirable motif pages rather than just completing motifs. So things like Minotaur chests are worth a fair amount now.They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason.
I missed the patch where they banned proc sets, I guess. Last I checked they're still allowed--plus this is completely irrelevant to a market speculation question.Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
sets allowed but totally nerfed to nearly useless stance.
Outfit is no reason. Other sets even become cheaper. It's all about these chests - even with x2 drop event. And only chests. Other Mino motifs became even 20% cheaper
I think You dont get how economy works. Outfits are direct and the only reason why minotaur chest prices went up by that huge amount. Lot of people wants to have bared chest to show their skins/tatoos etc while still looking decent which bathtowel not offers. There is limited amount of chests that can make that desire come true basicly mazzatun , argonian and minotaur. Mazzatun and argonian are much easier to get and are based around different ways of look that not everyone needs to like. From all 3 mentioned solutions minotaur chests are the hardest to get and for many people looks the best. That's why we have current prices. Need generates the price. Now more then ever thanks for outfit system prices of certain motifs pieces are based on their aesthetics.
I know how it work. And I also know more about things among just "buy-sell"
+ u sounded good idea: motif parts cost is based on its aestethic. but... why 1 man have bought all Mino chests and placed em for 150k? Why he decided for other ones? because he had money at the moment. We (me) didn't. It's not about aestetic at all...
Don't think one person bought them all. https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/pc/Trade/SearchResult?ItemID=9581&SortBy=LastSeen&Order=desc
yes, it's clear but I wanna know name first guy who did it.DC Dunmer Sorcerer since 2014
@morvayn54, PC/EU0 -
i am a profeeter and i like current situation
go on
:popcorn:Edited by ClockworkCityBugs on March 17, 2018 1:53PM3 -
aaisoaho✭✭✭✭✭If people are willing to pay 150k then why should I sell it for 20k? Or if people do not buy it at 150k why should I fill my slot and send some gold into oblivion just for an off-chance that it gets bought?
If you want it, farm it or buy it. I myself traded to get the chest motif (minotaur boots motif + some gold for chest motif).0 -
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✭If it wasn't for this thread, I wouldn't even know how much Mino-chests is going for. 150k sounds awesome!Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!0 -
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✭Most, if not all things ESO, are able to be farmed and obtained, for those willing. Anyone dishing out 10k to 150 and 200k or more on a motif or anything; hey, well, it's on them. I still quack up every time someone post a cipher for sale for 1mil, 3mil or more. Ha ha. Yeah, ok.. but damn, does it make you invincible for like an hour or something. Sheesh..0 -
klowdy1✭✭✭✭✭Shezzarrine wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason. They good? Yep, decent. But this is direct speculation. Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
What's this about not being allowed? What do proc sets have to do with anything?
But yeah, motifs are overpriced right now thanks to the outfit system. Give it a month or two and prices will be back down to normal.
it's all about Mino chests. Other ones even become cheaper. Some guys speculatins on chests with "naked body" model, that it. But buy all motifs and resell at 150k? No, thanks.
You don't like the price then go farm your own *shrug*. It's simple supply and demand, the supply was lowered and demand soared which equals high prices
hopes one day u will go to desert and then ask for water. but someone would sell u glass of water for your kidney or said "You don't like the price then go farm your own *shrug*. It's simple supply and demand"
But it's not about demand and supply. It's about marketing manipulations.
Lol, because death from dehydration is the same as being overcharged in a video game... with fake money... for a costume.0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Shezzarrine wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason. They good? Yep, decent. But this is direct speculation. Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
What's this about not being allowed? What do proc sets have to do with anything?
But yeah, motifs are overpriced right now thanks to the outfit system. Give it a month or two and prices will be back down to normal.
it's all about Mino chests. Other ones even become cheaper. Some guys speculatins on chests with "naked body" model, that it. But buy all motifs and resell at 150k? No, thanks.
You don't like the price then go farm your own *shrug*. It's simple supply and demand, the supply was lowered and demand soared which equals high prices
hopes one day u will go to desert and then ask for water. but someone would sell u glass of water for your kidney or said "You don't like the price then go farm your own *shrug*. It's simple supply and demand"
But it's not about demand and supply. It's about marketing manipulations.
Lol, because death from dehydration is the same as being overcharged in a video game... with fake money... for a costume.
Well, they are both market manipulation. Of different degrees of severity, sure, but they are both examples of the same general thing.1 -
Morvane✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »DeadlyRecluse wrote: »
The reason is the outfitting system. Just like when master writs first dropped, outfitting has caused a bump in all motif prices. The big difference, though, is outfitting heavily favors desirable motif pages rather than just completing motifs. So things like Minotaur chests are worth a fair amount now.They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason.
I missed the patch where they banned proc sets, I guess. Last I checked they're still allowed--plus this is completely irrelevant to a market speculation question.Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
sets allowed but totally nerfed to nearly useless stance.
Outfit is no reason. Other sets even become cheaper. It's all about these chests - even with x2 drop event. And only chests. Other Mino motifs became even 20% cheaper
I really don't understand the connection to proc sets. Proc sets were overperforming in Battlegrounds and doing more DPS than intended in PVE, so ZOS nerfed them.
Market manipulation by buying items cheap and reselling them for a high price isn't against the rules or creating problems for ZOS, so I'm not sure why you expect ZOS to deal with the problem.
the connection is metaphoric. Not prohibited but near to broke game expirience.They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason. They good? Yep, decent. But this is direct speculation. Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
Let me get this straight.... You are upset that price fixing may be in play here to have higher prices, but you are here to try to do price fixing for a lower price.... huh....
no, just ask dont support profeteers. It's not prohibited tooDeadlyRecluse wrote: »
The reason is the outfitting system. Just like when master writs first dropped, outfitting has caused a bump in all motif prices. The big difference, though, is outfitting heavily favors desirable motif pages rather than just completing motifs. So things like Minotaur chests are worth a fair amount now.They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason.
I missed the patch where they banned proc sets, I guess. Last I checked they're still allowed--plus this is completely irrelevant to a market speculation question.Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
sets allowed but totally nerfed to nearly useless stance.
Outfit is no reason. Other sets even become cheaper. It's all about these chests - even with x2 drop event. And only chests. Other Mino motifs became even 20% cheaper
I think You dont get how economy works. Outfits are direct and the only reason why minotaur chest prices went up by that huge amount. Lot of people wants to have bared chest to show their skins/tatoos etc while still looking decent which bathtowel not offers. There is limited amount of chests that can make that desire come true basicly mazzatun , argonian and minotaur. Mazzatun and argonian are much easier to get and are based around different ways of look that not everyone needs to like. From all 3 mentioned solutions minotaur chests are the hardest to get and for many people looks the best. That's why we have current prices. Need generates the price. Now more then ever thanks for outfit system prices of certain motifs pieces are based on their aesthetics.
I know how it work. And I also know more about things among just "buy-sell"
+ u sounded good idea: motif parts cost is based on its aestethic. but... why 1 man have bought all Mino chests and placed em for 150k? Why he decided for other ones? because he had money at the moment. We (me) didn't. It's not about aestetic at all...
Don't think one person bought them all. https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/pc/Trade/SearchResult?ItemID=9581&SortBy=LastSeen&Order=desc
yes, it's clear but I wanna know name first guy who did it.
Why, so you can name and shame?
(Which, incidentally, would be more against the rules than buying low and selling absurdly high.)
man, stop abusing this.
So, I'm genuinely curious now. Why would you want people's names?
revenge plans >:-O (;..;)DC Dunmer Sorcerer since 2014
@morvayn54, PC/EU0 -
Morvane✭✭✭✭Shezzarrine wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason. They good? Yep, decent. But this is direct speculation. Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
What's this about not being allowed? What do proc sets have to do with anything?
But yeah, motifs are overpriced right now thanks to the outfit system. Give it a month or two and prices will be back down to normal.
it's all about Mino chests. Other ones even become cheaper. Some guys speculatins on chests with "naked body" model, that it. But buy all motifs and resell at 150k? No, thanks.
You don't like the price then go farm your own *shrug*. It's simple supply and demand, the supply was lowered and demand soared which equals high prices
hopes one day u will go to desert and then ask for water. but someone would sell u glass of water for your kidney or said "You don't like the price then go farm your own *shrug*. It's simple supply and demand"
But it's not about demand and supply. It's about marketing manipulations.
Lol, because death from dehydration is the same as being overcharged in a video game... with fake money... for a costume.
game emotions are like a water in modern work-home-be.better.every.moment societyDC Dunmer Sorcerer since 2014
@morvayn54, PC/EU0
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