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Stop to support profeteers! don't buy overpriced Minotaur Chests' motifs!
Morvane
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They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason. They good? Yep, decent. But this is direct speculation. Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
p.s. marketing restrictions in this game are from 2014 launch. there is no global auction here and no search engine on guild stores + time delay on searching. This prevent boting and specualations a lot. But with service like Tamriel Trade Center specalators are step closer to broke game expirience again.
Edited by Morvane on March 20, 2018 2:27AM p.s. marketing restrictions in this game are from 2014 launch. there is no global auction here and no search engine on guild stores + time delay on searching. This prevent boting and specualations a lot. But with service like Tamriel Trade Center specalators are step closer to broke game expirience again.
DC Dunmer Sorcerer since 2014
@morvayn54, PC/EU
@morvayn54, PC/EU
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason. They good? Yep, decent. But this is direct speculation. Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
What's this about not being allowed? What do proc sets have to do with anything?
But yeah, motifs are overpriced right now thanks to the outfit system. Give it a month or two and prices will be back down to normal.20 -
Mephisto939✭✭✭✭They tried to pull the sane thing with mazzatun chests too asking 150k for it. I just waited until someone in zone chat was selling it for 50k. I don't know what the big deal is with these particular chest pieces.Why did the Dunmer cross the road?
Apparently to get stuck in an eternal load screen!2 -
Morvane✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason. They good? Yep, decent. But this is direct speculation. Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
What's this about not being allowed? What do proc sets have to do with anything?
But yeah, motifs are overpriced right now thanks to the outfit system. Give it a month or two and prices will be back down to normal.
it's all about Mino chests. Other ones even become cheaper. Some guys speculatins on chests with "naked body" model, that it. But buy all motifs and resell at 150k? No, thanks.DC Dunmer Sorcerer since 2014
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✭What you describe isn't possible in this economic system, or so I've been told.
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Shezzarrine✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason. They good? Yep, decent. But this is direct speculation. Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
What's this about not being allowed? What do proc sets have to do with anything?
But yeah, motifs are overpriced right now thanks to the outfit system. Give it a month or two and prices will be back down to normal.
it's all about Mino chests. Other ones even become cheaper. Some guys speculatins on chests with "naked body" model, that it. But buy all motifs and resell at 150k? No, thanks.
You don't like the price then go farm your own *shrug*. It's simple supply and demand, the supply was lowered and demand soared which equals high prices16 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason. They good? Yep, decent. But this is direct speculation. Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
What's this about not being allowed? What do proc sets have to do with anything?
But yeah, motifs are overpriced right now thanks to the outfit system. Give it a month or two and prices will be back down to normal.
it's all about Mino chests. Other ones even become cheaper. Some guys speculatins on chests with "naked body" model, that it. But buy all motifs and resell at 150k? No, thanks.
Buying motifs cheap and reselling them at higher prices is market manipulation, sure. But its not against the rules as long as all the motifs were obtained legitimately.5 -
Morvane✭✭✭✭Shezzarrine wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason. They good? Yep, decent. But this is direct speculation. Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
What's this about not being allowed? What do proc sets have to do with anything?
But yeah, motifs are overpriced right now thanks to the outfit system. Give it a month or two and prices will be back down to normal.
it's all about Mino chests. Other ones even become cheaper. Some guys speculatins on chests with "naked body" model, that it. But buy all motifs and resell at 150k? No, thanks.
You don't like the price then go farm your own *shrug*. It's simple supply and demand, the supply was lowered and demand soared which equals high prices
hopes one day u will go to desert and then ask for water. but someone would sell u glass of water for your kidney or said "You don't like the price then go farm your own *shrug*. It's simple supply and demand"
But it's not about demand and supply. It's about marketing manipulations.DC Dunmer Sorcerer since 2014
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The reason is the outfitting system. Just like when master writs first dropped, outfitting has caused a bump in all motif prices. The big difference, though, is outfitting heavily favors desirable motif pages rather than just completing motifs. So things like Minotaur chests are worth a fair amount now.They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason.
I missed the patch where they banned proc sets, I guess. Last I checked they're still allowed--plus this is completely irrelevant to a market speculation question.Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
Edited by DeadlyRecluse on March 16, 2018 8:32PMThrice Empress, Forever Scrub5 -
Morvane✭✭✭✭DeadlyRecluse wrote: »
The reason is the outfitting system. Just like when master writs first dropped, outfitting has caused a bump in all motif prices. The big difference, though, is outfitting heavily favors desirable motif pages rather than just completing motifs. So things like Minotaur chests are worth a fair amount now.They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason.
I missed the patch where they banned proc sets, I guess. Last I checked they're still allowed--plus this is completely irrelevant to a market speculation question.Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
sets are allowed but totally nerfed to nearly useless stance.
Outfit is no reason. Other sets even become cheaper. It's all about these chests - even with x2 drop event. And only chests. Other Mino motifs became even 20% cheaperEdited by Morvane on March 16, 2018 8:38PMDC Dunmer Sorcerer since 2014
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✭✭✭✭✭DeadlyRecluse wrote: »
The reason is the outfitting system. Just like when master writs first dropped, outfitting has caused a bump in all motif prices. The big difference, though, is outfitting heavily favors desirable motif pages rather than just completing motifs. So things like Minotaur chests are worth a fair amount now.They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason.
I missed the patch where they banned proc sets, I guess. Last I checked they're still allowed--plus this is completely irrelevant to a market speculation question.Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
sets allowed but totally nerfed to nearly useless stance.
Outfit is no reason. Other sets even become cheaper. It's all about these chests - even with x2 drop event. And only chests. Other Mino motifs became even 20% cheaper
I really don't understand the connection to proc sets. Proc sets were overperforming in Battlegrounds and doing more DPS than intended in PVE, so ZOS nerfed them.
Market manipulation by buying items cheap and reselling them for a high price isn't against the rules or creating problems for ZOS, so I'm not sure why you expect ZOS to deal with the problem.Edited by VaranisArano on March 16, 2018 8:40PM4 -
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✭I will buy whatever I darn well please...
Just wait a month or so and it will probably go back to the "bargain" price of 50K...3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭DeadlyRecluse wrote: »
The reason is the outfitting system. Just like when master writs first dropped, outfitting has caused a bump in all motif prices. The big difference, though, is outfitting heavily favors desirable motif pages rather than just completing motifs. So things like Minotaur chests are worth a fair amount now.They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason.
I missed the patch where they banned proc sets, I guess. Last I checked they're still allowed--plus this is completely irrelevant to a market speculation question.Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
sets allowed but totally nerfed to nearly useless stance.
Outfit is no reason. Other sets even become cheaper. It's all about these chests - even with x2 drop event. And only chests. Other Mino motifs became even 20% cheaper
I think You dont get how economy works. Outfits are direct and the only reason why minotaur chest prices went up by that huge amount. Lot of people wants to have bared chest to show their skins/tatoos etc while still looking decent which bathtowel not offers. There is limited amount of chests that can make that desire come true basicly mazzatun , argonian and minotaur. Mazzatun and argonian are much easier to get and are based around different ways of look that not everyone needs to like. From all 3 mentioned solutions minotaur chests are the hardest to get and for many people looks the best. That's why we have current prices. Need generates the price. Now more then ever thanks for outfit system prices of certain motifs pieces are based on their aesthetics.Edited by Juhasow on March 16, 2018 8:43PM3 -
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✭They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason. They good? Yep, decent. But this is direct speculation. Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
Let me get this straight.... You are upset that price fixing may be in play here to have higher prices, but you are here to try to do price fixing for a lower price.... huh....8 -
Morvane✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »DeadlyRecluse wrote: »
The reason is the outfitting system. Just like when master writs first dropped, outfitting has caused a bump in all motif prices. The big difference, though, is outfitting heavily favors desirable motif pages rather than just completing motifs. So things like Minotaur chests are worth a fair amount now.They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason.
I missed the patch where they banned proc sets, I guess. Last I checked they're still allowed--plus this is completely irrelevant to a market speculation question.Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
sets allowed but totally nerfed to nearly useless stance.
Outfit is no reason. Other sets even become cheaper. It's all about these chests - even with x2 drop event. And only chests. Other Mino motifs became even 20% cheaper
I really don't understand the connection to proc sets. Proc sets were overperforming in Battlegrounds and doing more DPS than intended in PVE, so ZOS nerfed them.
Market manipulation by buying items cheap and reselling them for a high price isn't against the rules or creating problems for ZOS, so I'm not sure why you expect ZOS to deal with the problem.
the connection is metaphoric. Not prohibited but near to broke game expirience.They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason. They good? Yep, decent. But this is direct speculation. Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
Let me get this straight.... You are upset that price fixing may be in play here to have higher prices, but you are here to try to do price fixing for a lower price.... huh....
no, just ask dont support profeteers. It's not prohibited tooDeadlyRecluse wrote: »
The reason is the outfitting system. Just like when master writs first dropped, outfitting has caused a bump in all motif prices. The big difference, though, is outfitting heavily favors desirable motif pages rather than just completing motifs. So things like Minotaur chests are worth a fair amount now.They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason.
I missed the patch where they banned proc sets, I guess. Last I checked they're still allowed--plus this is completely irrelevant to a market speculation question.Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
sets allowed but totally nerfed to nearly useless stance.
Outfit is no reason. Other sets even become cheaper. It's all about these chests - even with x2 drop event. And only chests. Other Mino motifs became even 20% cheaper
I think You dont get how economy works. Outfits are direct and the only reason why minotaur chest prices went up by that huge amount. Lot of people wants to have bared chest to show their skins/tatoos etc while still looking decent which bathtowel not offers. There is limited amount of chests that can make that desire come true basicly mazzatun , argonian and minotaur. Mazzatun and argonian are much easier to get and are based around different ways of look that not everyone needs to like. From all 3 mentioned solutions minotaur chests are the hardest to get and for many people looks the best. That's why we have current prices. Need generates the price. Now more then ever thanks for outfit system prices of certain motifs pieces are based on their aesthetics.
I know how it work. And I also know more about things among just "buy-sell"
+ u sounded good idea: motif parts cost is based on its aestethic. but... why 1 man have bought all Mino chests and placed em for 150k? Why he decided for other ones? because he had money at the moment. We (me) didn't. It's not about aestetic at all...Edited by Morvane on March 16, 2018 8:52PMDC Dunmer Sorcerer since 2014
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Nihility42✭✭✭✭An item is worth what people will pay for it. People pay 150k for Mino chests, hence that is their worth. Don't blame sellers for setting the price at what the market allows. And don't blame them for having the forthought to buy desirable motifs ahead of a large increase in demand for those motifs. Maybe spend more time grinding gold and less whining about prices on the forums?5
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DeadlyRecluse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I mark up gold mats after major patches.
I AM VIPER NOW.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub3 -
Shezzarrine✭✭✭✭✭Shezzarrine wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »They were 20k and now for 150k with no reason. They good? Yep, decent. But this is direct speculation. Not prohibited means allowed? Proc sets were allowed too.
What's this about not being allowed? What do proc sets have to do with anything?
But yeah, motifs are overpriced right now thanks to the outfit system. Give it a month or two and prices will be back down to normal.
it's all about Mino chests. Other ones even become cheaper. Some guys speculatins on chests with "naked body" model, that it. But buy all motifs and resell at 150k? No, thanks.
You don't like the price then go farm your own *shrug*. It's simple supply and demand, the supply was lowered and demand soared which equals high prices
hopes one day u will go to desert and then ask for water. but someone would sell u glass of water for your kidney or said "You don't like the price then go farm your own *shrug*. It's simple supply and demand"
But it's not about demand and supply. It's about marketing manipulations.
Yes because the Minotaur chest motif is as essential to life as water. Grow up.10 -
Morvane✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Nihility42 wrote: »An item is worth what people will pay for it. People pay 150k for Mino chests, hence that is their worth. Don't blame sellers for setting the price at what the market allows. And don't blame them for having the forthought to buy desirable motifs ahead of a large increase in demand for those motifs. Maybe spend more time grinding gold and less whining about prices on the forums?
No, you aren't right. they cost 20+k as other parts. Some guy bought all of them for TWENTY THOUSANDS PER PIECE and try to make money on YOU, ME and other guys.
That's not against the rules.
I know. And this thread - too.Nihility42 wrote: »Nihility42 wrote: »An item is worth what people will pay for it. People pay 150k for Mino chests, hence that is their worth. Don't blame sellers for setting the price at what the market allows. And don't blame them for having the forthought to buy desirable motifs ahead of a large increase in demand for those motifs. Maybe spend more time grinding gold and less whining about prices on the forums?
No, you aren't right. they cost 20+k as other parts. Some guy bought all of them for TWENTY THOUSANDS PER PIECE and try to make money on YOU, ME and other guys.
Again, an item will only be priced at what it can sell for. If people will buy it for that much, that is what it is worth. I don't think you understand how markets work. Why should people sell them for 20k if they can sell for 150k? Do you expect sellers to be some sort of charity? And if someone was smart enough to see that they are highly desired, rare, and underpriced then to take advantage of that, good for them. They deserve to get rich off of it.
If I place Fish for 1kk it doesnt mean it worth it. It mean you should never have some cool things cuz rich guy have bought all things and left you hungry, lol. He can do this. Ok. His profit. Ok. Why I must suffer from this? I cant talk about racism or other prohibited talks but when its about money, you can do anything? Lol. man. A lot of rules are exsisting in worls to rule money fluctuations - debts, inflation... a lot of tools. here is a one example of marketing regulation. Learn more about this term, please. And thnx for your opinionDC Dunmer Sorcerer since 2014
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Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Mephisto939 wrote: »They tried to pull the sane thing with mazzatun chests too asking 150k for it. I just waited until someone in zone chat was selling it for 50k. I don't know what the big deal is with these particular chest pieces.
With Minotaur- nothing. Is pure luck.
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Nihility42 wrote: »An item is worth what people will pay for it. People pay 150k for Mino chests, hence that is their worth. Don't blame sellers for setting the price at what the market allows. And don't blame them for having the forthought to buy desirable motifs ahead of a large increase in demand for those motifs. Maybe spend more time grinding gold and less whining about prices on the forums?
No, you aren't right. they cost 20+k as other parts. Some guy bought all of them for TWENTY THOUSANDS PER PIECE and try to make money on YOU, ME and other guys.
That's not against the rules.
I know. And this thread - too.Nihility42 wrote: »Nihility42 wrote: »An item is worth what people will pay for it. People pay 150k for Mino chests, hence that is their worth. Don't blame sellers for setting the price at what the market allows. And don't blame them for having the forthought to buy desirable motifs ahead of a large increase in demand for those motifs. Maybe spend more time grinding gold and less whining about prices on the forums?
No, you aren't right. they cost 20+k as other parts. Some guy bought all of them for TWENTY THOUSANDS PER PIECE and try to make money on YOU, ME and other guys.
Again, an item will only be priced at what it can sell for. If people will buy it for that much, that is what it is worth. I don't think you understand how markets work. Why should people sell them for 20k if they can sell for 150k? Do you expect sellers to be some sort of charity? And if someone was smart enough to see that they are highly desired, rare, and underpriced then to take advantage of that, good for them. They deserve to get rich off of it.
If I place Fish for 1kk it doesnt mean it worth it. It mean you should never have some cool things cuz rich guy have bought all things and left you hungry, lol. He can do this. Ok. His profit. Ok. Why I must suffer from this? I cant talk about racism or other prohibited talks but when its about money, you can do anything? Lol. man. A lot of rules are exsisting in worls to rule money fluctuations - debts, inflation... a lot of tools. here is a one example of marketing regulation. Learn more about this term, please. And thnx for your opinion
You can complain about market manipulators as much as you want. I happen to think its nothing to be concerned about since market manipulation isn't against the rules and anyone who wants the chest but not to pay high prices for it can find one of the cheap chests these market manipulators are buying and reselling or can grind the dailies themselves.
Also, in a month or two, the craze will be over and prices will be back to normal. Patience wins again.
TLDR: Talk about it all you want, but don't be surprised that people don't agree with you.3 -
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✭I sell event recipes several months after the event ends.
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Nihility42✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Nihility42 wrote: »An item is worth what people will pay for it. People pay 150k for Mino chests, hence that is their worth. Don't blame sellers for setting the price at what the market allows. And don't blame them for having the forthought to buy desirable motifs ahead of a large increase in demand for those motifs. Maybe spend more time grinding gold and less whining about prices on the forums?
No, you aren't right. they cost 20+k as other parts. Some guy bought all of them for TWENTY THOUSANDS PER PIECE and try to make money on YOU, ME and other guys.
That's not against the rules.
I know. And this thread - too.Nihility42 wrote: »Nihility42 wrote: »An item is worth what people will pay for it. People pay 150k for Mino chests, hence that is their worth. Don't blame sellers for setting the price at what the market allows. And don't blame them for having the forthought to buy desirable motifs ahead of a large increase in demand for those motifs. Maybe spend more time grinding gold and less whining about prices on the forums?
No, you aren't right. they cost 20+k as other parts. Some guy bought all of them for TWENTY THOUSANDS PER PIECE and try to make money on YOU, ME and other guys.
Again, an item will only be priced at what it can sell for. If people will buy it for that much, that is what it is worth. I don't think you understand how markets work. Why should people sell them for 20k if they can sell for 150k? Do you expect sellers to be some sort of charity? And if someone was smart enough to see that they are highly desired, rare, and underpriced then to take advantage of that, good for them. They deserve to get rich off of it.
If I place Fish for 1kk it doesnt mean it worth it. It mean you should never have some cool things cuz rich guy have bought all things and left you hungry, lol. He can do this. Ok. His profit. Ok. Why I must suffer from this? I cant talk about racism or other prohibited talks but when its about money, you can do anything? Lol. man. A lot of rules are exsisting in worls to rule money fluctuations - debts, inflation... a lot of tools. here is a one example of marketing regulation. Learn more about this term, please. And thnx for your opinion
Your arguments are all over the place. How does racism and hate speech relate at all to someone selling something for market value? I don't even understand what you want ZOS to do? Set price limits for items? Ban people for selling items at their true value of you determine it's too high?2 -
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✭For a cheap bare chested look on a male go with argonian. The books are very affordable.0 -
Morvane✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Nihility42 wrote: »An item is worth what people will pay for it. People pay 150k for Mino chests, hence that is their worth. Don't blame sellers for setting the price at what the market allows. And don't blame them for having the forthought to buy desirable motifs ahead of a large increase in demand for those motifs. Maybe spend more time grinding gold and less whining about prices on the forums?
No, you aren't right. they cost 20+k as other parts. Some guy bought all of them for TWENTY THOUSANDS PER PIECE and try to make money on YOU, ME and other guys.
That's not against the rules.
I know. And this thread - too.Nihility42 wrote: »Nihility42 wrote: »An item is worth what people will pay for it. People pay 150k for Mino chests, hence that is their worth. Don't blame sellers for setting the price at what the market allows. And don't blame them for having the forthought to buy desirable motifs ahead of a large increase in demand for those motifs. Maybe spend more time grinding gold and less whining about prices on the forums?
No, you aren't right. they cost 20+k as other parts. Some guy bought all of them for TWENTY THOUSANDS PER PIECE and try to make money on YOU, ME and other guys.
Again, an item will only be priced at what it can sell for. If people will buy it for that much, that is what it is worth. I don't think you understand how markets work. Why should people sell them for 20k if they can sell for 150k? Do you expect sellers to be some sort of charity? And if someone was smart enough to see that they are highly desired, rare, and underpriced then to take advantage of that, good for them. They deserve to get rich off of it.
If I place Fish for 1kk it doesnt mean it worth it. It mean you should never have some cool things cuz rich guy have bought all things and left you hungry, lol. He can do this. Ok. His profit. Ok. Why I must suffer from this? I cant talk about racism or other prohibited talks but when its about money, you can do anything? Lol. man. A lot of rules are exsisting in worls to rule money fluctuations - debts, inflation... a lot of tools. here is a one example of marketing regulation. Learn more about this term, please. And thnx for your opinion
You can complain about market manipulators as much as you want. I happen to think its nothing to be concerned about since market manipulation isn't against the rules and anyone who wants the chest but not to pay high prices for it can find one of the cheap chests these market manipulators are buying and reselling or can grind the dailies themselves.
Also, in a month or two, the craze will be over and prices will be back to normal. Patience wins again.
TLDR: Talk about it all you want, but don't be surprised that people don't agree with you.
Same.Nihility42 wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Nihility42 wrote: »An item is worth what people will pay for it. People pay 150k for Mino chests, hence that is their worth. Don't blame sellers for setting the price at what the market allows. And don't blame them for having the forthought to buy desirable motifs ahead of a large increase in demand for those motifs. Maybe spend more time grinding gold and less whining about prices on the forums?
No, you aren't right. they cost 20+k as other parts. Some guy bought all of them for TWENTY THOUSANDS PER PIECE and try to make money on YOU, ME and other guys.
That's not against the rules.
I know. And this thread - too.Nihility42 wrote: »Nihility42 wrote: »An item is worth what people will pay for it. People pay 150k for Mino chests, hence that is their worth. Don't blame sellers for setting the price at what the market allows. And don't blame them for having the forthought to buy desirable motifs ahead of a large increase in demand for those motifs. Maybe spend more time grinding gold and less whining about prices on the forums?
No, you aren't right. they cost 20+k as other parts. Some guy bought all of them for TWENTY THOUSANDS PER PIECE and try to make money on YOU, ME and other guys.
Again, an item will only be priced at what it can sell for. If people will buy it for that much, that is what it is worth. I don't think you understand how markets work. Why should people sell them for 20k if they can sell for 150k? Do you expect sellers to be some sort of charity? And if someone was smart enough to see that they are highly desired, rare, and underpriced then to take advantage of that, good for them. They deserve to get rich off of it.
If I place Fish for 1kk it doesnt mean it worth it. It mean you should never have some cool things cuz rich guy have bought all things and left you hungry, lol. He can do this. Ok. His profit. Ok. Why I must suffer from this? I cant talk about racism or other prohibited talks but when its about money, you can do anything? Lol. man. A lot of rules are exsisting in worls to rule money fluctuations - debts, inflation... a lot of tools. here is a one example of marketing regulation. Learn more about this term, please. And thnx for your opinion
Your arguments are all over the place. How does racism and hate speech relate at all to someone selling something for market value? I don't even understand what you want ZOS to do? Set price limits for items? Ban people for selling items at their true value of you determine it's too high?
both categories hurt another person. But when you hurt somebody with words it's NOT allowed. And when u broke market... OKAY YOU FREE TO DO IT YES YES YESDC Dunmer Sorcerer since 2014
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Grimm13✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nihility42 wrote: »An item is worth what people will pay for it. People pay 150k for Mino chests, hence that is their worth. Don't blame sellers for setting the price at what the market allows. And don't blame them for having the forthought to buy desirable motifs ahead of a large increase in demand for those motifs. Maybe spend more time grinding gold and less whining about prices on the forums?
No, you aren't right. they cost 20+k as other parts. Some guy bought all of them for TWENTY THOUSANDS PER PIECE and try to make money on YOU, ME and other guys.
You are upset that one person bought all that they could, then set the price of a resale. Would you have been happier if everyone is limited to purchase only one item or the system only allowed a limited amount of markup over the average sale point on the market?
Either one is a price fixing, market manipulation. the second is not possible with the trade system as they are not one market but over a hundred (fuzzy math, need food).
I still stand that you are complaining about price fixing yet wanting to do the same. Find your own, undercut their sales and reap the rewards, the market will fix the price on it's own to what it will support.1 -
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✭✭✭✭People are allowed to request whatever amount they like to sell something. If it is too high for you, just don't buy it. This isn't a controlled economy with fixed prices for things.GM - Ghost Sea Trading Co - NA PC
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✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Nihility42 wrote: »An item is worth what people will pay for it. People pay 150k for Mino chests, hence that is their worth. Don't blame sellers for setting the price at what the market allows. And don't blame them for having the forthought to buy desirable motifs ahead of a large increase in demand for those motifs. Maybe spend more time grinding gold and less whining about prices on the forums?
No, you aren't right. they cost 20+k as other parts. Some guy bought all of them for TWENTY THOUSANDS PER PIECE and try to make money on YOU, ME and other guys.
That's not against the rules.
I know. And this thread - too.Nihility42 wrote: »Nihility42 wrote: »An item is worth what people will pay for it. People pay 150k for Mino chests, hence that is their worth. Don't blame sellers for setting the price at what the market allows. And don't blame them for having the forthought to buy desirable motifs ahead of a large increase in demand for those motifs. Maybe spend more time grinding gold and less whining about prices on the forums?
No, you aren't right. they cost 20+k as other parts. Some guy bought all of them for TWENTY THOUSANDS PER PIECE and try to make money on YOU, ME and other guys.
Again, an item will only be priced at what it can sell for. If people will buy it for that much, that is what it is worth. I don't think you understand how markets work. Why should people sell them for 20k if they can sell for 150k? Do you expect sellers to be some sort of charity? And if someone was smart enough to see that they are highly desired, rare, and underpriced then to take advantage of that, good for them. They deserve to get rich off of it.
If I place Fish for 1kk it doesnt mean it worth it. It mean you should never have some cool things cuz rich guy have bought all things and left you hungry, lol. He can do this. Ok. His profit. Ok. Why I must suffer from this? I cant talk about racism or other prohibited talks but when its about money, you can do anything? Lol. man. A lot of rules are exsisting in worls to rule money fluctuations - debts, inflation... a lot of tools. here is a one example of marketing regulation. Learn more about this term, please. And thnx for your opinion
You can complain about market manipulators as much as you want. I happen to think its nothing to be concerned about since market manipulation isn't against the rules and anyone who wants the chest but not to pay high prices for it can find one of the cheap chests these market manipulators are buying and reselling or can grind the dailies themselves.
Also, in a month or two, the craze will be over and prices will be back to normal. Patience wins again.
TLDR: Talk about it all you want, but don't be surprised that people don't agree with you.
Same.Nihility42 wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Nihility42 wrote: »An item is worth what people will pay for it. People pay 150k for Mino chests, hence that is their worth. Don't blame sellers for setting the price at what the market allows. And don't blame them for having the forthought to buy desirable motifs ahead of a large increase in demand for those motifs. Maybe spend more time grinding gold and less whining about prices on the forums?
No, you aren't right. they cost 20+k as other parts. Some guy bought all of them for TWENTY THOUSANDS PER PIECE and try to make money on YOU, ME and other guys.
That's not against the rules.
I know. And this thread - too.Nihility42 wrote: »Nihility42 wrote: »An item is worth what people will pay for it. People pay 150k for Mino chests, hence that is their worth. Don't blame sellers for setting the price at what the market allows. And don't blame them for having the forthought to buy desirable motifs ahead of a large increase in demand for those motifs. Maybe spend more time grinding gold and less whining about prices on the forums?
No, you aren't right. they cost 20+k as other parts. Some guy bought all of them for TWENTY THOUSANDS PER PIECE and try to make money on YOU, ME and other guys.
Again, an item will only be priced at what it can sell for. If people will buy it for that much, that is what it is worth. I don't think you understand how markets work. Why should people sell them for 20k if they can sell for 150k? Do you expect sellers to be some sort of charity? And if someone was smart enough to see that they are highly desired, rare, and underpriced then to take advantage of that, good for them. They deserve to get rich off of it.
If I place Fish for 1kk it doesnt mean it worth it. It mean you should never have some cool things cuz rich guy have bought all things and left you hungry, lol. He can do this. Ok. His profit. Ok. Why I must suffer from this? I cant talk about racism or other prohibited talks but when its about money, you can do anything? Lol. man. A lot of rules are exsisting in worls to rule money fluctuations - debts, inflation... a lot of tools. here is a one example of marketing regulation. Learn more about this term, please. And thnx for your opinion
Your arguments are all over the place. How does racism and hate speech relate at all to someone selling something for market value? I don't even understand what you want ZOS to do? Set price limits for items? Ban people for selling items at their true value of you determine it's too high?
both categories hurt another person. But when you hurt somebody with words it's NOT allowed. And when u broke market... OKAY YOU FREE TO DO IT YES YES YES
Yeah, pretty much. Saying racist, hateful, threatening or harassing things is against the TOS. Scamming people by bait and switching items is against the TOS. Buying low and selling high is not against the TOS.
Something like this happened with Aetherial Dust, and ZOS shrugged it off. How would you like ZOS to change the TOS to account for buying low and selling high and how do you want ZOS to enforce it?1 -
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Wood elf medium chest piece, for a female character at least. i think it's much better than these two mentioned above, in my opinion.PC/NA
- Redguard StamBlade dps ["bowtard" crafty girl who likes spinning with daggers too.]
- Breton SorcMag dps [She's got an identity crisis, but I believe in her.]
- Dunmer Templar dps/healer [she's a healer, then again she likes inferno staff too...]
And..
- High Elf SorcMag dps [It's quite possible his daddy was a Nord.]
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Nihility42✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Nihility42 wrote: »An item is worth what people will pay for it. People pay 150k for Mino chests, hence that is their worth. Don't blame sellers for setting the price at what the market allows. And don't blame them for having the forthought to buy desirable motifs ahead of a large increase in demand for those motifs. Maybe spend more time grinding gold and less whining about prices on the forums?
No, you aren't right. they cost 20+k as other parts. Some guy bought all of them for TWENTY THOUSANDS PER PIECE and try to make money on YOU, ME and other guys.
That's not against the rules.
I know. And this thread - too.Nihility42 wrote: »Nihility42 wrote: »An item is worth what people will pay for it. People pay 150k for Mino chests, hence that is their worth. Don't blame sellers for setting the price at what the market allows. And don't blame them for having the forthought to buy desirable motifs ahead of a large increase in demand for those motifs. Maybe spend more time grinding gold and less whining about prices on the forums?
No, you aren't right. they cost 20+k as other parts. Some guy bought all of them for TWENTY THOUSANDS PER PIECE and try to make money on YOU, ME and other guys.
Again, an item will only be priced at what it can sell for. If people will buy it for that much, that is what it is worth. I don't think you understand how markets work. Why should people sell them for 20k if they can sell for 150k? Do you expect sellers to be some sort of charity? And if someone was smart enough to see that they are highly desired, rare, and underpriced then to take advantage of that, good for them. They deserve to get rich off of it.
If I place Fish for 1kk it doesnt mean it worth it. It mean you should never have some cool things cuz rich guy have bought all things and left you hungry, lol. He can do this. Ok. His profit. Ok. Why I must suffer from this? I cant talk about racism or other prohibited talks but when its about money, you can do anything? Lol. man. A lot of rules are exsisting in worls to rule money fluctuations - debts, inflation... a lot of tools. here is a one example of marketing regulation. Learn more about this term, please. And thnx for your opinion
You can complain about market manipulators as much as you want. I happen to think its nothing to be concerned about since market manipulation isn't against the rules and anyone who wants the chest but not to pay high prices for it can find one of the cheap chests these market manipulators are buying and reselling or can grind the dailies themselves.
Also, in a month or two, the craze will be over and prices will be back to normal. Patience wins again.
TLDR: Talk about it all you want, but don't be surprised that people don't agree with you.
Same.Nihility42 wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Nihility42 wrote: »An item is worth what people will pay for it. People pay 150k for Mino chests, hence that is their worth. Don't blame sellers for setting the price at what the market allows. And don't blame them for having the forthought to buy desirable motifs ahead of a large increase in demand for those motifs. Maybe spend more time grinding gold and less whining about prices on the forums?
No, you aren't right. they cost 20+k as other parts. Some guy bought all of them for TWENTY THOUSANDS PER PIECE and try to make money on YOU, ME and other guys.
That's not against the rules.
I know. And this thread - too.Nihility42 wrote: »Nihility42 wrote: »An item is worth what people will pay for it. People pay 150k for Mino chests, hence that is their worth. Don't blame sellers for setting the price at what the market allows. And don't blame them for having the forthought to buy desirable motifs ahead of a large increase in demand for those motifs. Maybe spend more time grinding gold and less whining about prices on the forums?
No, you aren't right. they cost 20+k as other parts. Some guy bought all of them for TWENTY THOUSANDS PER PIECE and try to make money on YOU, ME and other guys.
Again, an item will only be priced at what it can sell for. If people will buy it for that much, that is what it is worth. I don't think you understand how markets work. Why should people sell them for 20k if they can sell for 150k? Do you expect sellers to be some sort of charity? And if someone was smart enough to see that they are highly desired, rare, and underpriced then to take advantage of that, good for them. They deserve to get rich off of it.
If I place Fish for 1kk it doesnt mean it worth it. It mean you should never have some cool things cuz rich guy have bought all things and left you hungry, lol. He can do this. Ok. His profit. Ok. Why I must suffer from this? I cant talk about racism or other prohibited talks but when its about money, you can do anything? Lol. man. A lot of rules are exsisting in worls to rule money fluctuations - debts, inflation... a lot of tools. here is a one example of marketing regulation. Learn more about this term, please. And thnx for your opinion
Your arguments are all over the place. How does racism and hate speech relate at all to someone selling something for market value? I don't even understand what you want ZOS to do? Set price limits for items? Ban people for selling items at their true value of you determine it's too high?
both categories hurt another person. But when you hurt somebody with words it's NOT allowed. And when u broke market... OKAY YOU FREE TO DO IT YES YES YES
Okay, so just to be clear you actually think that making a virtual item slightly more expensive hurts people? And hurts them in a way that is even remotely comparable to racism and hate speech? Yeah, I think I'm done here. This is ridiculous to the point where it is actually offensive. You seem very privileged.Edited by Nihility42 on March 16, 2018 9:30PM7 -
Morvane✭✭✭✭People are allowed to request whatever amount they like to sell something. If it is too high for you, just don't buy it. This isn't a controlled economy with fixed prices for things.
even US economy was fixed in 1930, lol. learn history
Nihility42 wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Nihility42 wrote: »An item is worth what people will pay for it. People pay 150k for Mino chests, hence that is their worth. Don't blame sellers for setting the price at what the market allows. And don't blame them for having the forthought to buy desirable motifs ahead of a large increase in demand for those motifs. Maybe spend more time grinding gold and less whining about prices on the forums?
No, you aren't right. they cost 20+k as other parts. Some guy bought all of them for TWENTY THOUSANDS PER PIECE and try to make money on YOU, ME and other guys.
That's not against the rules.
I know. And this thread - too.Nihility42 wrote: »Nihility42 wrote: »An item is worth what people will pay for it. People pay 150k for Mino chests, hence that is their worth. Don't blame sellers for setting the price at what the market allows. And don't blame them for having the forthought to buy desirable motifs ahead of a large increase in demand for those motifs. Maybe spend more time grinding gold and less whining about prices on the forums?
No, you aren't right. they cost 20+k as other parts. Some guy bought all of them for TWENTY THOUSANDS PER PIECE and try to make money on YOU, ME and other guys.
Again, an item will only be priced at what it can sell for. If people will buy it for that much, that is what it is worth. I don't think you understand how markets work. Why should people sell them for 20k if they can sell for 150k? Do you expect sellers to be some sort of charity? And if someone was smart enough to see that they are highly desired, rare, and underpriced then to take advantage of that, good for them. They deserve to get rich off of it.
If I place Fish for 1kk it doesnt mean it worth it. It mean you should never have some cool things cuz rich guy have bought all things and left you hungry, lol. He can do this. Ok. His profit. Ok. Why I must suffer from this? I cant talk about racism or other prohibited talks but when its about money, you can do anything? Lol. man. A lot of rules are exsisting in worls to rule money fluctuations - debts, inflation... a lot of tools. here is a one example of marketing regulation. Learn more about this term, please. And thnx for your opinion
You can complain about market manipulators as much as you want. I happen to think its nothing to be concerned about since market manipulation isn't against the rules and anyone who wants the chest but not to pay high prices for it can find one of the cheap chests these market manipulators are buying and reselling or can grind the dailies themselves.
Also, in a month or two, the craze will be over and prices will be back to normal. Patience wins again.
TLDR: Talk about it all you want, but don't be surprised that people don't agree with you.
Same.Nihility42 wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Nihility42 wrote: »An item is worth what people will pay for it. People pay 150k for Mino chests, hence that is their worth. Don't blame sellers for setting the price at what the market allows. And don't blame them for having the forthought to buy desirable motifs ahead of a large increase in demand for those motifs. Maybe spend more time grinding gold and less whining about prices on the forums?
No, you aren't right. they cost 20+k as other parts. Some guy bought all of them for TWENTY THOUSANDS PER PIECE and try to make money on YOU, ME and other guys.
That's not against the rules.
I know. And this thread - too.Nihility42 wrote: »Nihility42 wrote: »An item is worth what people will pay for it. People pay 150k for Mino chests, hence that is their worth. Don't blame sellers for setting the price at what the market allows. And don't blame them for having the forthought to buy desirable motifs ahead of a large increase in demand for those motifs. Maybe spend more time grinding gold and less whining about prices on the forums?
No, you aren't right. they cost 20+k as other parts. Some guy bought all of them for TWENTY THOUSANDS PER PIECE and try to make money on YOU, ME and other guys.
Again, an item will only be priced at what it can sell for. If people will buy it for that much, that is what it is worth. I don't think you understand how markets work. Why should people sell them for 20k if they can sell for 150k? Do you expect sellers to be some sort of charity? And if someone was smart enough to see that they are highly desired, rare, and underpriced then to take advantage of that, good for them. They deserve to get rich off of it.
If I place Fish for 1kk it doesnt mean it worth it. It mean you should never have some cool things cuz rich guy have bought all things and left you hungry, lol. He can do this. Ok. His profit. Ok. Why I must suffer from this? I cant talk about racism or other prohibited talks but when its about money, you can do anything? Lol. man. A lot of rules are exsisting in worls to rule money fluctuations - debts, inflation... a lot of tools. here is a one example of marketing regulation. Learn more about this term, please. And thnx for your opinion
Your arguments are all over the place. How does racism and hate speech relate at all to someone selling something for market value? I don't even understand what you want ZOS to do? Set price limits for items? Ban people for selling items at their true value of you determine it's too high?
both categories hurt another person. But when you hurt somebody with words it's NOT allowed. And when u broke market... OKAY YOU FREE TO DO IT YES YES YES
Okay, so just to be clear you actually think that making a virtual item slightly more expensive hurts people? And hurts them in a way that is even remotely comparable to racism and hate speech? Yeah, I think I'm done here. This is ridiculous to the point where it is actually offensive. You seem very privileged.
very comparably. both things broke game expirience and can hurt. and in real life such price manipulations can cause even death. here for you:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_bubble
p.s not SLIGHTLY more expensive. You are talking abouit 500-600% percent price up!
Edited by Morvane on March 16, 2018 9:36PMDC Dunmer Sorcerer since 2014
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