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Tenacity only helps stamina not magicka
Ihatenightblades
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Ya i can have 75 into tenacity but it doesnt do crap for my magicka pool lol. Is it supposed to?
I honestly see my regen give me more magicka than the heavy attacking pck does.
I always thought it was supposed to restore both i guess i was wrong.
Why does it say magicka and stamina though?
Edited by Ihatenightblades on June 18, 2017 9:02PM I honestly see my regen give me more magicka than the heavy attacking pck does.
I always thought it was supposed to restore both i guess i was wrong.
Why does it say magicka and stamina though?
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Rungar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »Ya i can have 75 into tenacity but it doesnt do crap for my magicka pool lol. Is it supposed to?
I honestly see my regen give me more magicka than the heavy attacking pck does.
I always thought it was supposed to restore both i guess i was wrong.
Why does it say magicka and stamina though?
try equipping a staff for it to work with magickaonly a few years left to go now....
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✭Yes, weapons return different resources based on weapon type. You need a staff to get magic.1 -
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✭Yes, weapons return different resources based on weapon type. You need a staff to get magic.Ihatenightblades wrote: »Ya i can have 75 into tenacity but it doesnt do crap for my magicka pool lol. Is it supposed to?
I honestly see my regen give me more magicka than the heavy attacking pck does.
I always thought it was supposed to restore both i guess i was wrong.
Why does it say magicka and stamina though?
try equipping a staff for it to work with magicka
I do thats my point with a mage toons it doesn't give back crap.
But with stam toons i get like 3-4k
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✭✭✭✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »Why does it say magicka and stamina though?
Basically because Rapid Mending is programmed based on the mechanism where it's either stamina or magicka based on weapon. But Tenacity is programmed to examine both values for changes, even if one value is a constant zero.
You're looking at a base value of 100 to 250 points of the resource restored per heavy attack, though. Not thousands.Edited by Acrolas on June 18, 2017 9:28PMsigning off0 -
Ihatenightblades✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »Why does it say magicka and stamina though?
Basically because Rapid Mending is programmed based on the mechanism where it's either stamina or magicka based on weapon. But Tenacity is programmed to examine both values for changes, even if one value is a constant zero.
You're looking at a base value of 100 to 250 points of the resource restored per heavy attack, though. Not thousands.
I get atleast 2k with my stam toon each heavy attack i got 75 into tenacity so im sure thats what boost it.
My mages also have 75 into tenacity but dont get near half of that amount so its weird1 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Why does it say magicka and stamina though?
Basically because Rapid Mending is programmed based on the mechanism where it's either stamina or magicka based on weapon. But Tenacity is programmed to examine both values for changes, even if one value is a constant zero.
You're looking at a base value of 100 to 250 points of the resource restored per heavy attack, though. Not thousands.
I get atleast 2k with my stam toon each heavy attack i got 75 into tenacity so im sure thats what boost it.
My mages also have 75 into tenacity but dont get near half of that amount so its weird
What are you heavy attacking with? Flame/ice staffs give less resources i think.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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Ihatenightblades✭✭✭✭✭
✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Why does it say magicka and stamina though?
Basically because Rapid Mending is programmed based on the mechanism where it's either stamina or magicka based on weapon. But Tenacity is programmed to examine both values for changes, even if one value is a constant zero.
You're looking at a base value of 100 to 250 points of the resource restored per heavy attack, though. Not thousands.
I get atleast 2k with my stam toon each heavy attack i got 75 into tenacity so im sure thats what boost it.
My mages also have 75 into tenacity but dont get near half of that amount so its weird
What are you heavy attacking with? Flame/ice staffs give less resources i think.
Flame on the characters i can remember with where i was getting little to no magicka back1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Why does it say magicka and stamina though?
Basically because Rapid Mending is programmed based on the mechanism where it's either stamina or magicka based on weapon. But Tenacity is programmed to examine both values for changes, even if one value is a constant zero.
You're looking at a base value of 100 to 250 points of the resource restored per heavy attack, though. Not thousands.
I get atleast 2k with my stam toon each heavy attack i got 75 into tenacity so im sure thats what boost it.
My mages also have 75 into tenacity but dont get near half of that amount so its weird
What are you heavy attacking with? Flame/ice staffs give less resources i think.
Flame on the characters i can remember with where i was getting little to no magicka back
You will get it back, if whatever your aiming at rolls the heavy you get nothing, if they block it you get nothing.
Flame staffs complete heavys 12.5% faster but return 12.5% less resources, i think those were the numbers.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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✭✭✭✭✭You have to fully charge a staff to get Magicka back from it, letting it go early apparently gives nothing. Its a weird design, but that's how it seems to be for all weapons with Heavy Attacks.
You can also test the value by having no CP in Tenacity, measure at least 20-50 Heavy Attacks with the Staff and see how much return you get then add the 14% from Tenacity and see any major differences. Your passive traits also affect returns as well and some class passives.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Oh. Wait. That was from before the 1.6 patch where all the values were basically multiplied by 10.
Bow HA Restore = 2327 Stamina
Dual Wield HA Restore = 1386 Stamina
2H HA Restore = 1865 Stamina
1H+Shield HA Restore = 1551 Stamina
Destruct HA Restore = 2476 Magicka
Restore HA Restore = 2476 Magicka
Werewolf HA Restore = 1238 Stamina
Those are roughly your baseline restores post 1.6.
Are you sure you're completing the heavy attack with the staff?signing off2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Oh. Wait. That was from before the 1.6 patch where all the values were basically multiplied by 10.
Bow HA Restore = 2327 Stamina
Dual Wield HA Restore = 1386 Stamina
2H HA Restore = 1865 Stamina
1H+Shield HA Restore = 1551 Stamina
Destruct HA Restore = 2476 Magicka
Restore HA Restore = 2476 Magicka
Werewolf HA Restore = 1238 Stamina
Those are roughly your baseline restores post 1.6.
Are you sure you're completing the heavy attack with the staff?
@Acrolas Since when did bow heavy attacks restore more stamina than DW heavy attacks? And since when did destruction staves restore as much magicka as restoration staves? Correct me if I’m mistaken, but I could’ve sworn that restoration staves have a passive that grant them additional magicka upon a completed heavy attack.0 -
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✭✭@Ihatenightblades 1st of all I want to say that nightblades hate you as well
2nd try to open a ticket...I have no issues on my reviveplar so idk what you talk about...I can spend all the time trying to drain my mana pool and 2 heavy attacks its back to 100%...I find it quite op tbh compared to stamina where it feels like it takes forever to refill stam.0 -
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✭I only play magicka and I've never seen an issue. Heavy attack with staff. Boom. Magicka restored.PC NA - GreggsSausageRoll0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Oh. Wait. That was from before the 1.6 patch where all the values were basically multiplied by 10.
Bow HA Restore = 2327 Stamina
Dual Wield HA Restore = 1386 Stamina
2H HA Restore = 1865 Stamina
1H+Shield HA Restore = 1551 Stamina
Destruct HA Restore = 2476 Magicka
Restore HA Restore = 2476 Magicka
Werewolf HA Restore = 1238 Stamina
Those are roughly your baseline restores post 1.6.
Are you sure you're completing the heavy attack with the staff?
@Acrolas Since when did bow heavy attacks restore more stamina than DW heavy attacks? And since when did destruction staves restore as much magicka as restoration staves? Correct me if I’m mistaken, but I could’ve sworn that restoration staves have a passive that grant them additional magicka upon a completed heavy attack.
Those are base values without passives included.
Bows do restore more than dual wield but the heavy attack is much slowerPS4 / NA
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Reorx_Holybeard✭✭✭✭✭Seems to be working fine for me:
A few obvious things to check:- You are using a Restoration / Destruction staff.
- You don't have full magicka (the UI only reports magicka actually gained).
- Make sure you are using full heavy attacks (keep pressing the attack button).
- You have the combat numbers turned on (or are using a relevant add-on for PC).
If you still don't see any magicka return I would suggest recording a short video showing this and posting a bug report.
Edited by Reorx_Holybeard on March 15, 2018 7:17PMReorx Holybeard -- NA/PC
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✭✭✭✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »
Flame on the characters i can remember with where i was getting little to no magicka back
Tenacity works best on a Fully Charged Heavy Attack, not a Medium. It is far easier for me to get a full heavy attack out of a Lightening Staff than it is a Flame Staff. Takes the same amount of time too, so its not a big change. The issue with the Flame staff is you pretty much have to wait for the staff to fire on it's own to count as a Heavy. But, as you know, its faster to fire a Flame staff for LA and MA.
What I do is use a Flame Staff on my Single Target Bar as it's easier to weave light and medium attacks, and use Lightening on the back or AoE bar. As Sorcerers get a boost to Shock damage, its really helpful for AoE and DoT's.
So, you can lay down your AoE and DoT's on the Lightening staff bar, and the rest of your damage on the flame staff bar.
Edited by Nestor on March 15, 2018 10:29PMEnjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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Zalicius✭✭✭Reorx_Holybeard wrote: »Seems to be working fine for me:
A few obvious things to check:- You are using a Restoration / Destruction staff.
- You don't have full magicka (the UI only reports magicka actually gained).
- You have the combat numbers turned on (or are using a relevant add-on for PC).
If you still don't see any magicka return I would suggest recording a short video showing this and posting a bug report.
Okay, so let me get this straight. Melee weapons only return Stamina, and Staves only return Magicka? If that's true It would be nice to re-word the CP chart. Instead of saying "magicka and stamina" it should say "magicka or stamina".
In other words - Learn how to communicate ZoS :P
Edit:
Never mind. Just got an "official" response. "With the Tenacity ability, both the amount of Magicka and Stamina restored are increased by your Heavy Attacks, and are not weapon specific."
Edited by Zalicius on March 15, 2018 7:27PM0 -
Reorx_Holybeard✭✭✭✭✭Reorx_Holybeard wrote: »Seems to be working fine for me:
A few obvious things to check:- You are using a Restoration / Destruction staff.
- You don't have full magicka (the UI only reports magicka actually gained).
- You have the combat numbers turned on (or are using a relevant add-on for PC).
If you still don't see any magicka return I would suggest recording a short video showing this and posting a bug report.
Okay, so let me get this straight. Melee weapons only return Stamina, and Staves only return Magicka? If that's true It would be nice to re-word the CP chart. Instead of saying "magicka and stamina" it should say "magicka or stamina".
In other words - Learn how to communicate ZoS :P
Oh, definitely! Most of the game just assumes you'll figure out "obvious" things like this. I suppose you could find it buried in the middle of a help text or book somewhere where you'd never find unless you knew exactly what you were looking for.
You could /feedback this and it might get fixed sometime.Reorx Holybeard -- NA/PC
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✭✭Channeled heavy attacks return more magicka.
Lightning staff gives more magicka back than flame/ice. And Restoration staff gives a lot more magicka (even more than lightning staff) back thanks to Cycle of Life passive.Edited by Olupajmibanan on March 15, 2018 8:00PM0 -
Zalicius✭✭✭Reorx_Holybeard wrote: »Reorx_Holybeard wrote: »Seems to be working fine for me:
A few obvious things to check:- You are using a Restoration / Destruction staff.
- You don't have full magicka (the UI only reports magicka actually gained).
- You have the combat numbers turned on (or are using a relevant add-on for PC).
If you still don't see any magicka return I would suggest recording a short video showing this and posting a bug report.
Okay, so let me get this straight. Melee weapons only return Stamina, and Staves only return Magicka? If that's true It would be nice to re-word the CP chart. Instead of saying "magicka and stamina" it should say "magicka or stamina".
In other words - Learn how to communicate ZoS :P
Oh, definitely! Most of the game just assumes you'll figure out "obvious" things like this. I suppose you could find it buried in the middle of a help text or book somewhere where you'd never find unless you knew exactly what you were looking for.
You could /feedback this and it might get fixed sometime.
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SlinkySlack✭✭✭I wish the type of resource return was based on highest resource pool and not weapon type, then I will be able to make a magicka sorc wielding weapons and not staffs.
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