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Campaign suggestion to spice up PVP

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PVP hasn't really changed much since day 1. The rules of victory are still pretty much the same... the style of play is the same... the builds are all based upon the same concepts.

Was talking to a bunch of guys when in Cyrodiil the other night, and we all agreed it would be great if we could spice up with a new style campaign.

It started with the concept of "raging barbarians" (similar to Sid Meier's Civilization). Basically NPCs that would randomly attack keeps and settlements and force factions to start to be more strategic and flexible. Maybe even have it that "barbarian camps" could be disrupted by opposing factions to anger them and enrage them to attack nearby keeps.

Then the discussion took a further leap... an NPC controlled faction. The Imperial Legion. They could actually take over keeps and take them under their control. When a campaign is being dominated by a particular faction with more of their players in the campaign, the Imperial Legion could be a "balancer". The more of one particular faction, the stronger the Imperial Legion will react to restore some balance - even taking full control of outposts or keeps.

These changes would also mean that players need to consider balancing their groups with tanks, healers - and even force some DPS to take on PVE gear to balance their fighting groups. It would lead to far more depth of builds... and also, when the campaign is quiet, rather than players just repairing walls for AP and leaderboard pushes, it would mean that players would still have stuff to do fighting against NPCs... maybe for lesser AP (something like 50% compared to taking on real players).

Thoughts? It wouldn't need to apply to all campaigns, just maybe one or two specifically designated.
  • Turelus
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    As Rianai said I don't think adding more PvE based elements is the right direction.

    The issues I see it which are stopping Cyrodiil being interesting are.
    • Loyalty to factions (free switching hasn't helped balance in the way we wanted).
    • Meaningful campaign objectives/victories.
    • Investment in keep mechanics and defences.
    • Stability (this is a huge one)
    • Support for all styles of play to have objectives/goals.
    @Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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  • VaranisArano
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    I think that if Cyrodiil were stable and the lag lowered enough that players could get through the night without laggy skills, long loading screens, and random disconnects, we'd see a large enough population that there'd be more spread out action and interesting enough combat beyond the same old faces at the same old places.

    I don't think that we need to change Cyrodiil's mechanics until the base problems at the root of Cyrodiil's poor performance and population are dealt with. Fix the lag and the server stability. Everything else, even beneficial changes like removal of AOE caps, is just window dressing on the main problem of lag and the servers.
  • Serjustin19
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    Long Version

    (1) Why don't we build walls, around our territory we control. Or stronger defense within a defense of keep. Could be made out of wood or stone. (2) At same time, wall cost gold and or AP. However, since both Wood and Stone wall fortifications. It will be outmost expensive.

    (3) Everyone needs to pay up. Like a lottery of sorts, like a group pay for wall. As with real life and Ancient fortifications, to control enemy and good defense for defender's. (4) However with same time, it could be Coffers for Alliance. Don't directly come from other people.

    (5) With that being said, be a time limit for a certain area, after wood/stone fortification was used. However for balance with walls and not making power alliance make to many walls. (6)Hurting Alliance, is way Cheaper and less expensive.

    (7-8) More dominating Alliance, Walls be way more expensive than the hurting Alliance. Whilst Middle Alliance is more expensive than the First Alliance. As well as less expensive the Middle Alliance will be, from the Dominant Alliance. However to make it more fair for all 3 alliance.

    (9) All walls must decay, within a certain time frame. Once new fortified walls we PvPer put up decay. We must wait for timer to end to out up new walls. (10) But we are still allowed to fix decaying walls. (11) But decaing walls, will help the enemy, but hurt the defenders. (12) add enemy NPC seige, just like that one in Orsinium DLC.

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    Short Version

    1.We the PvPer build Wood/Stone Walls. For third Line defense.

    2. Wood/ Stone walls cost Gold/Ap

    3. Everyone needs to pay up, if they wish to use third line defense wall. (For example: Group)

    4. All 3 Alliance have churches in bases right? Good place to put Alliance Coffers. We could use Alliance Coffer for Third line Defense Wood/Stone wall.

    5. Just like for forward camp, time respawn. There should be a timer to setup a wall for that location. After wall destroyed.

    6. Hurting Alliance Pay less, buy more.

    7-8. Dominant Alliance way more expensive, Middle Alliance is less expensive than the Dominant.

    9. All third line defense walls must decay!

    10. We are still allowed to fix decaying walls. But if portion of wall is destroyed, we unable to repair that portion until timer ends.

    11. As with real fortified walls, decaying walls is weakness for defenders. So defenders look out!

    12. Add Enemy NPC siege, just like Orsinium DLC (Please make it hurt us)

    Also new idea, all resources around keeps should pay half for third line defense walls. That way if no one can afford, at least all 3 alliances have something. With that being said. To make it more fun, keeps we control can make money to pay for third line defense walls to. However there is a catch. These Coffers from keep goes directly to each Alliance churches outside of bases. The Money from keeps. We the PvPer must steal these Coffers from churches outside the bases! But hurry, enemies who stole opposing Alliance Coffers from the Churches. There is a set time limit and every 2 minutes, certain amount of money dissappear. So hurry to get to you respective Alliance church in base or out of base. before time runs out, all the Coffers you stole from enemy churches and carry will suddenly dissappear. Plus it help with Ap grinding in churches. Did I failed to mention 15 minute time limit, for Coffers to fully dissappear after you stole enemy Coffers?


    @Serjustin19 (The one and only at your service) how's this? :smiley:


    Edited by Serjustin19 on March 15, 2018 12:22AM
    Official PSN message. 4-18-18 (Copy/Paste) Hey Justin. It is ok. You can be so much more without the *(left name out). For me you are always a legend. Look for a job you want. You always write like a bard or poet so maybe you should write a book"





    It Was A Glorious 2+ years in Scourge PS4 EU, especially during both the 1st and 2nd Scourge. As well as my time in Haderus PS4 EU. What will my journey bring, during my time in Shor, We shall wait; for my journey has only begun. Shor has ended as well as Yol, both hath gone short lived. Kaal and Laa alas are my new journey. Save for Laa replaced short lived Yol; The shortest campaign I've ever been. How many more campaigns must be renewed and delivered? No one knows, till the end. It's not the end, but only just the beginning. What do I mean by this? I don't really know honestly, I keep pondering this myself everyday.

  • Feanor
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    I don’t think PvP needs even more PvDoor. If players wanted that they could simply do dungeons or trials.
    Main characters:
    Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 45 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)
    Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)

    Other characters:
    Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial Necromancer
    Fearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)
    Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)
    Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDK
    Valirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBlade
    Turuna - AD Altmer magBlade
    Kheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDK
    Kibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - Stormproof
    Yavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWarden
    Azog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWarden
    Vidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDK
    Marquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - Stormproof
    Rawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWarden
    Tu'waccah - AD Redguard Stamplar

    All chars 50 @ CP 1600+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.
  • Royaji
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    Long Version

    (1) Why don't we build walls, around our territory we control. Or stronger defense within a defense of keep. Could be made out of wood or stone. (2) At same time, wall cost gold and or AP. However, since both Wood and Stone wall fortifications. It will be outmost expensive.

    (3) Everyone needs to pay up. Like a lottery of sorts, like a group pay for wall. As with real life and Ancient fortifications, to control enemy and good defense for defender's. (4) However with same time, it could be Coffers for Alliance. Don't directly come from other people.

    (5) With that being said, be a time limit for a certain area, after wood/stone fortification was used. However for balance with walls and not making power alliance make to many walls. (6)Hurting Alliance, is way Cheaper and less expensive.

    (7-8) More dominating Alliance, Walls be way more expensive than the hurting Alliance. Whilst Middle Alliance is more expensive than the First Alliance. As well as less expensive the Middle Alliance will be, from the Dominant Alliance. However to make it more fair for all 3 alliance.

    (9) All walls must decay, within a certain time frame. Once new fortified walls we PvPer put up decay. We must wait for timer to end to out up new walls. (10) But we are still allowed to fix decaying walls. (11) But decaing walls, will help the enemy, but hurt the defenders. (12) add enemy NPC seige, just like that one in Orsinium DLC.

    ........................................................................................................................................................................................

    Short Version

    1.We the PvPer build Wood/Stone Walls. For third Line defense.

    2. Wood/ Stone walls cost Gold/Ap

    3. Everyone needs to pay up, if they wish to use third line defense wall. (For example: Group)

    4. All 3 Alliance have churches in bases right? Good place to put Alliance Coffers. We could use Alliance Coffer for Third line Defense Wood/Stone wall.

    5. Just like for forward camp, time respawn. There should be a timer to setup a wall for that location. After wall destroyed.

    6. Hurting Alliance Pay less, buy more.

    7-8. Dominant Alliance way more expensive, Middle Alliance is less expensive than the Dominant.

    9. All third line defense walls must decay!

    10. We are still allowed to fix decaying walls. But if portion of wall is destroyed, we unable to repair that portion until timer ends.

    11. As with real fortified walls, decaying walls is weakness for defenders. So defenders look out!

    12. Add Enemy NPC siege, just like Orsinium DLC (Please make it hurt us)

    Also new idea, all resources around keeps should pay half for third line defense walls. That way if no one can afford, at least all 3 alliances have something. With that being said. To make it more fun, keeps we control can make money to pay for third line defense walls to. However there is a catch. These Coffers from keep goes directly to each Alliance churches outside of bases. The Money from keeps. We the PvPer must steal these Coffers from churches outside the bases! But hurry, enemies who stole opposing Alliance Coffers from the Churches. There is a set time limit and every 2 minutes, certain amount of money dissappear. So hurry to get to you respective Alliance church in base or out of base. before time runs out, all the Coffers you stole from enemy churches and carry will suddenly dissappear. Plus it help with Ap grinding in churches. Did I failed to mention 15 minute time limit, for Coffers to fully dissappear after you stole enemy Coffers?


    @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom (@PvP manager whom I forgot name :(@Rittings @Turelus @geonsocal @Serjustin19 (The one and only at your service) how's this? :smiley:


    Mr. Trump?

    (I apologise profoundly)
  • geonsocal
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    Long Version

    (1) Why don't we build walls, around our territory we control. Or stronger defense within a defense of keep. Could be made out of wood or stone. (2) At same time, wall cost gold and or AP. However, since both Wood and Stone wall fortifications. It will be outmost expensive.

    (3) Everyone needs to pay up. Like a lottery of sorts, like a group pay for wall. As with real life and Ancient fortifications, to control enemy and good defense for defender's. (4) However with same time, it could be Coffers for Alliance. Don't directly come from other people.

    (5) With that being said, be a time limit for a certain area, after wood/stone fortification was used. However for balance with walls and not making power alliance make to many walls. (6)Hurting Alliance, is way Cheaper and less expensive.

    (7-8) More dominating Alliance, Walls be way more expensive than the hurting Alliance. Whilst Middle Alliance is more expensive than the First Alliance. As well as less expensive the Middle Alliance will be, from the Dominant Alliance. However to make it more fair for all 3 alliance.

    (9) All walls must decay, within a certain time frame. Once new fortified walls we PvPer put up decay. We must wait for timer to end to out up new walls. (10) But we are still allowed to fix decaying walls. (11) But decaing walls, will help the enemy, but hurt the defenders. (12) add enemy NPC seige, just like that one in Orsinium DLC.

    ........................................................................................................................................................................................

    Short Version

    1.We the PvPer build Wood/Stone Walls. For third Line defense.

    2. Wood/ Stone walls cost Gold/Ap

    3. Everyone needs to pay up, if they wish to use third line defense wall. (For example: Group)

    4. All 3 Alliance have churches in bases right? Good place to put Alliance Coffers. We could use Alliance Coffer for Third line Defense Wood/Stone wall.

    5. Just like for forward camp, time respawn. There should be a timer to setup a wall for that location. After wall destroyed.

    6. Hurting Alliance Pay less, buy more.

    7-8. Dominant Alliance way more expensive, Middle Alliance is less expensive than the Dominant.

    9. All third line defense walls must decay!

    10. We are still allowed to fix decaying walls. But if portion of wall is destroyed, we unable to repair that portion until timer ends.

    11. As with real fortified walls, decaying walls is weakness for defenders. So defenders look out!

    12. Add Enemy NPC siege, just like Orsinium DLC (Please make it hurt us)

    Also new idea, all resources around keeps should pay half for third line defense walls. That way if no one can afford, at least all 3 alliances have something. With that being said. To make it more fun, keeps we control can make money to pay for third line defense walls to. However there is a catch. These Coffers from keep goes directly to each Alliance churches outside of bases. The Money from keeps. We the PvPer must steal these Coffers from churches outside the bases! But hurry, enemies who stole opposing Alliance Coffers from the Churches. There is a set time limit and every 2 minutes, certain amount of money dissappear. So hurry to get to you respective Alliance church in base or out of base. before time runs out, all the Coffers you stole from enemy churches and carry will suddenly dissappear. Plus it help with Ap grinding in churches. Did I failed to mention 15 minute time limit, for Coffers to fully dissappear after you stole enemy Coffers?


    @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom (@PvP manager whom I forgot name :(@Rittings @Turelus @geonsocal @Serjustin19 (The one and only at your service) how's this? :smiley:

    howdy sir justin :)

    great job...yes sir, that would definitely spice things up...

    I really like the idea if npcs using siege...that's an awesome idea...not sure how those folks in no cp campaigns would manage - but, it would be an interesting element to add...

    I also really like the idea of aiding low pop factions...
    PVP Campaigns Section: Playstation NA and EU (Grey Host) - This Must be the Place
  • Serjustin19
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    Royaji wrote: »
    Long Version

    (1) Why don't we build walls, around our territory we control. Or stronger defense within a defense of keep. Could be made out of wood or stone. (2) At same time, wall cost gold and or AP. However, since both Wood and Stone wall fortifications. It will be outmost expensive.

    (3) Everyone needs to pay up. Like a lottery of sorts, like a group pay for wall. As with real life and Ancient fortifications, to control enemy and good defense for defender's. (4) However with same time, it could be Coffers for Alliance. Don't directly come from other people.

    (5) With that being said, be a time limit for a certain area, after wood/stone fortification was used. However for balance with walls and not making power alliance make to many walls. (6)Hurting Alliance, is way Cheaper and less expensive.

    (7-8) More dominating Alliance, Walls be way more expensive than the hurting Alliance. Whilst Middle Alliance is more expensive than the First Alliance. As well as less expensive the Middle Alliance will be, from the Dominant Alliance. However to make it more fair for all 3 alliance.

    (9) All walls must decay, within a certain time frame. Once new fortified walls we PvPer put up decay. We must wait for timer to end to out up new walls. (10) But we are still allowed to fix decaying walls. (11) But decaing walls, will help the enemy, but hurt the defenders. (12) add enemy NPC seige, just like that one in Orsinium DLC.

    ........................................................................................................................................................................................

    Short Version

    1.We the PvPer build Wood/Stone Walls. For third Line defense.

    2. Wood/ Stone walls cost Gold/Ap

    3. Everyone needs to pay up, if they wish to use third line defense wall. (For example: Group)

    4. All 3 Alliance have churches in bases right? Good place to put Alliance Coffers. We could use Alliance Coffer for Third line Defense Wood/Stone wall.

    5. Just like for forward camp, time respawn. There should be a timer to setup a wall for that location. After wall destroyed.

    6. Hurting Alliance Pay less, buy more.

    7-8. Dominant Alliance way more expensive, Middle Alliance is less expensive than the Dominant.

    9. All third line defense walls must decay!

    10. We are still allowed to fix decaying walls. But if portion of wall is destroyed, we unable to repair that portion until timer ends.

    11. As with real fortified walls, decaying walls is weakness for defenders. So defenders look out!

    12. Add Enemy NPC siege, just like Orsinium DLC (Please make it hurt us)

    Also new idea, all resources around keeps should pay half for third line defense walls. That way if no one can afford, at least all 3 alliances have something. With that being said. To make it more fun, keeps we control can make money to pay for third line defense walls to. However there is a catch. These Coffers from keep goes directly to each Alliance churches outside of bases. The Money from keeps. We the PvPer must steal these Coffers from churches outside the bases! But hurry, enemies who stole opposing Alliance Coffers from the Churches. There is a set time limit and every 2 minutes, certain amount of money dissappear. So hurry to get to you respective Alliance church in base or out of base. before time runs out, all the Coffers you stole from enemy churches and carry will suddenly dissappear. Plus it help with Ap grinding in churches. Did I failed to mention 15 minute time limit, for Coffers to fully dissappear after you stole enemy Coffers?


    @Serjustin19 (The one and only at your service) how's this? :smiley:


    Mr. Trump?

    (I apologise profoundly)

    No, but playing Cyrodiil for about 3+ yes. As well as me remembered the Original Forward camps. But taken away due to DK originally jumping on forward camp and flying over keeps. Just need something new with walls. Since also nothing has changed for walls for 3+ yrs in Cyrodiil. These walls will help the defender's who are defending keep. Plus keep is respective territory and among other things. Besides no offense Walls in real life is way older in use for wars. Plus I dislike having walls in my country anyways. So I greatly disagree wall in peace time. But since Walls where use in real life Wars including Ancient Wars and Feudal Period. Hence why I mean walls are way older, especially our ancestors in real life. Whom build walls for defense. Not to mention Cyrodiil is considered warfare in game. Hence good idea for walls, especially in past long forgotten.
    Edited by Serjustin19 on March 15, 2018 12:23AM
    Official PSN message. 4-18-18 (Copy/Paste) Hey Justin. It is ok. You can be so much more without the *(left name out). For me you are always a legend. Look for a job you want. You always write like a bard or poet so maybe you should write a book"





    It Was A Glorious 2+ years in Scourge PS4 EU, especially during both the 1st and 2nd Scourge. As well as my time in Haderus PS4 EU. What will my journey bring, during my time in Shor, We shall wait; for my journey has only begun. Shor has ended as well as Yol, both hath gone short lived. Kaal and Laa alas are my new journey. Save for Laa replaced short lived Yol; The shortest campaign I've ever been. How many more campaigns must be renewed and delivered? No one knows, till the end. It's not the end, but only just the beginning. What do I mean by this? I don't really know honestly, I keep pondering this myself everyday.

  • Royaji
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    Royaji wrote: »
    Long Version

    (1) Why don't we build walls, around our territory we control. Or stronger defense within a defense of keep. Could be made out of wood or stone. (2) At same time, wall cost gold and or AP. However, since both Wood and Stone wall fortifications. It will be outmost expensive.

    (3) Everyone needs to pay up. Like a lottery of sorts, like a group pay for wall. As with real life and Ancient fortifications, to control enemy and good defense for defender's. (4) However with same time, it could be Coffers for Alliance. Don't directly come from other people.

    (5) With that being said, be a time limit for a certain area, after wood/stone fortification was used. However for balance with walls and not making power alliance make to many walls. (6)Hurting Alliance, is way Cheaper and less expensive.

    (7-8) More dominating Alliance, Walls be way more expensive than the hurting Alliance. Whilst Middle Alliance is more expensive than the First Alliance. As well as less expensive the Middle Alliance will be, from the Dominant Alliance. However to make it more fair for all 3 alliance.

    (9) All walls must decay, within a certain time frame. Once new fortified walls we PvPer put up decay. We must wait for timer to end to out up new walls. (10) But we are still allowed to fix decaying walls. (11) But decaing walls, will help the enemy, but hurt the defenders. (12) add enemy NPC seige, just like that one in Orsinium DLC.

    ........................................................................................................................................................................................

    Short Version

    1.We the PvPer build Wood/Stone Walls. For third Line defense.

    2. Wood/ Stone walls cost Gold/Ap

    3. Everyone needs to pay up, if they wish to use third line defense wall. (For example: Group)

    4. All 3 Alliance have churches in bases right? Good place to put Alliance Coffers. We could use Alliance Coffer for Third line Defense Wood/Stone wall.

    5. Just like for forward camp, time respawn. There should be a timer to setup a wall for that location. After wall destroyed.

    6. Hurting Alliance Pay less, buy more.

    7-8. Dominant Alliance way more expensive, Middle Alliance is less expensive than the Dominant.

    9. All third line defense walls must decay!

    10. We are still allowed to fix decaying walls. But if portion of wall is destroyed, we unable to repair that portion until timer ends.

    11. As with real fortified walls, decaying walls is weakness for defenders. So defenders look out!

    12. Add Enemy NPC siege, just like Orsinium DLC (Please make it hurt us)

    Also new idea, all resources around keeps should pay half for third line defense walls. That way if no one can afford, at least all 3 alliances have something. With that being said. To make it more fun, keeps we control can make money to pay for third line defense walls to. However there is a catch. These Coffers from keep goes directly to each Alliance churches outside of bases. The Money from keeps. We the PvPer must steal these Coffers from churches outside the bases! But hurry, enemies who stole opposing Alliance Coffers from the Churches. There is a set time limit and every 2 minutes, certain amount of money dissappear. So hurry to get to you respective Alliance church in base or out of base. before time runs out, all the Coffers you stole from enemy churches and carry will suddenly dissappear. Plus it help with Ap grinding in churches. Did I failed to mention 15 minute time limit, for Coffers to fully dissappear after you stole enemy Coffers?


    @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom (@PvP manager whom I forgot name :(@Rittings @Turelus @geonsocal @Serjustin19 (The one and only at your service) how's this? :smiley:


    Mr. Trump?

    (I apologise profoundly)

    No, but playing Cyrodiil for about 3+ yes. As well as me remembered the Original Forward camps. But taken away due to DK originally jumping on forward camp and flying over keeps. Just need something new with walls. Since also nothing has changed for walls for 3+ yrs in Cyrodiil. These walls will help the defender's who are defending keep. Plus keep is respective territory and among other things. Besides no offense Walls in real life is way older in use for wars. Plus I dislike having walls in my country anyways. So I greatly disagree wall in peace time. But since Walls where use in real life Wars including Ancient Wars and Feudal Period. Hence why I mean walls are way older, especially our ancestors in real life. Whom build walls for defense. Not to mention Cyrodiil is considered warfare in game. Hence good idea for walls, especially in past long forgotten.

    You sure do like your walls, huh? You used the word "wall" 10 time in 14 sentences...
  • CapuchinSeven
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    Ugh no, sorry but no.
  • Serjustin19
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    Royaji wrote: »
    Royaji wrote: »
    Long Version

    (1) Why don't we build walls, around our territory we control. Or stronger defense within a defense of keep. Could be made out of wood or stone. (2) At same time, wall cost gold and or AP. However, since both Wood and Stone wall fortifications. It will be outmost expensive.

    (3) Everyone needs to pay up. Like a lottery of sorts, like a group pay for wall. As with real life and Ancient fortifications, to control enemy and good defense for defender's. (4) However with same time, it could be Coffers for Alliance. Don't directly come from other people.

    (5) With that being said, be a time limit for a certain area, after wood/stone fortification was used. However for balance with walls and not making power alliance make to many walls. (6)Hurting Alliance, is way Cheaper and less expensive.

    (7-8) More dominating Alliance, Walls be way more expensive than the hurting Alliance. Whilst Middle Alliance is more expensive than the First Alliance. As well as less expensive the Middle Alliance will be, from the Dominant Alliance. However to make it more fair for all 3 alliance.

    (9) All walls must decay, within a certain time frame. Once new fortified walls we PvPer put up decay. We must wait for timer to end to out up new walls. (10) But we are still allowed to fix decaying walls. (11) But decaing walls, will help the enemy, but hurt the defenders. (12) add enemy NPC seige, just like that one in Orsinium DLC.

    ........................................................................................................................................................................................

    Short Version

    1.We the PvPer build Wood/Stone Walls. For third Line defense.

    2. Wood/ Stone walls cost Gold/Ap

    3. Everyone needs to pay up, if they wish to use third line defense wall. (For example: Group)

    4. All 3 Alliance have churches in bases right? Good place to put Alliance Coffers. We could use Alliance Coffer for Third line Defense Wood/Stone wall.

    5. Just like for forward camp, time respawn. There should be a timer to setup a wall for that location. After wall destroyed.

    6. Hurting Alliance Pay less, buy more.

    7-8. Dominant Alliance way more expensive, Middle Alliance is less expensive than the Dominant.

    9. All third line defense walls must decay!

    10. We are still allowed to fix decaying walls. But if portion of wall is destroyed, we unable to repair that portion until timer ends.

    11. As with real fortified walls, decaying walls is weakness for defenders. So defenders look out!

    12. Add Enemy NPC siege, just like Orsinium DLC (Please make it hurt us)

    Also new idea, all resources around keeps should pay half for third line defense walls. That way if no one can afford, at least all 3 alliances have something. With that being said. To make it more fun, keeps we control can make money to pay for third line defense walls to. However there is a catch. These Coffers from keep goes directly to each Alliance churches outside of bases. The Money from keeps. We the PvPer must steal these Coffers from churches outside the bases! But hurry, enemies who stole opposing Alliance Coffers from the Churches. There is a set time limit and every 2 minutes, certain amount of money dissappear. So hurry to get to you respective Alliance church in base or out of base. before time runs out, all the Coffers you stole from enemy churches and carry will suddenly dissappear. Plus it help with Ap grinding in churches. Did I failed to mention 15 minute time limit, for Coffers to fully dissappear after you stole enemy Coffers?


    @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom (@PvP manager whom I forgot name :(@Rittings @Turelus @geonsocal @Serjustin19 (The one and only at your service) how's this? :smiley:


    Mr. Trump?

    (I apologise profoundly)

    No, but playing Cyrodiil for about 3+ yes. As well as me remembered the Original Forward camps. But taken away due to DK originally jumping on forward camp and flying over keeps. Just need something new with walls. Since also nothing has changed for walls for 3+ yrs in Cyrodiil. These walls will help the defender's who are defending keep. Plus keep is respective territory and among other things. Besides no offense Walls in real life is way older in use for wars. Plus I dislike having walls in my country anyways. So I greatly disagree wall in peace time. But since Walls where use in real life Wars including Ancient Wars and Feudal Period. Hence why I mean walls are way older, especially our ancestors in real life. Whom build walls for defense. Not to mention Cyrodiil is considered warfare in game. Hence good idea for walls, especially in past long forgotten.

    You sure do like your walls, huh? You used the word "wall" 10 time in 14 sentences...

    Just defending my ancestors ways :) Here's this (he loved walls greatly, even in peace) http://www.scotclans.com/john-clayton-the-man-who-saved-the-wall/

    Also the name of my ancestors, "Clan Campbell" and "Castle Campbell" plus Campbell is my name sake and birth name. Even though I no longer carry my name sake due to me being adopted in Foster Care 2005 and currently staying for exactly 13 years next month in April.

    Eventhough I no longer carry my name sake currently, due to adopted. In my heart I will always be Campbell and proud to carry my Campbell name and Clan Campbell heritage, no matter if I not wear Campbell no more.So please don't mock my ancestors no offense. This is why I defend my ancestors and strong belief. But like I said I don't like walls in peace time. In which means tear down walls.

    But if war, just like my ancestors, Clan Campbell. We must put up wall to defend ourselves, same for cyrodiil. So please don't mock me nor my ancestors no offense. We had to do what he had to do in war. I'm not allowed to say what I think what my country is doing. However I see I have no choice in matter. But no offense I dislike the whole wall thing in my country. Especially in peace time.

    So please don't come after me with "Mr trump and attacking my wall idea, to spice Cyrodiil up. No offense. Please don't mock my ancestors as well, especially Clan Campbell no offense. I'll leave this here as well. Castle Campbell, plus link said good chance had a wall surround Castle Campbell to as a third line defense. I rest my case my friend. Have a nice day :)

    http://www.marie-stuart.co.uk/Castles/Campbell.htm

    Official PSN message. 4-18-18 (Copy/Paste) Hey Justin. It is ok. You can be so much more without the *(left name out). For me you are always a legend. Look for a job you want. You always write like a bard or poet so maybe you should write a book"





    It Was A Glorious 2+ years in Scourge PS4 EU, especially during both the 1st and 2nd Scourge. As well as my time in Haderus PS4 EU. What will my journey bring, during my time in Shor, We shall wait; for my journey has only begun. Shor has ended as well as Yol, both hath gone short lived. Kaal and Laa alas are my new journey. Save for Laa replaced short lived Yol; The shortest campaign I've ever been. How many more campaigns must be renewed and delivered? No one knows, till the end. It's not the end, but only just the beginning. What do I mean by this? I don't really know honestly, I keep pondering this myself everyday.

  • VaranisArano
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    Keep walls get stronger the longer you hold the keeps and its resources, so if you are really that committed to walls as defense you should work on holding keeps and resources and making sure the walls are fully repaired after they upgrade.
  • Royaji
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    Royaji wrote: »
    Royaji wrote: »
    Long Version

    (1) Why don't we build walls, around our territory we control. Or stronger defense within a defense of keep. Could be made out of wood or stone. (2) At same time, wall cost gold and or AP. However, since both Wood and Stone wall fortifications. It will be outmost expensive.

    (3) Everyone needs to pay up. Like a lottery of sorts, like a group pay for wall. As with real life and Ancient fortifications, to control enemy and good defense for defender's. (4) However with same time, it could be Coffers for Alliance. Don't directly come from other people.

    (5) With that being said, be a time limit for a certain area, after wood/stone fortification was used. However for balance with walls and not making power alliance make to many walls. (6)Hurting Alliance, is way Cheaper and less expensive.

    (7-8) More dominating Alliance, Walls be way more expensive than the hurting Alliance. Whilst Middle Alliance is more expensive than the First Alliance. As well as less expensive the Middle Alliance will be, from the Dominant Alliance. However to make it more fair for all 3 alliance.

    (9) All walls must decay, within a certain time frame. Once new fortified walls we PvPer put up decay. We must wait for timer to end to out up new walls. (10) But we are still allowed to fix decaying walls. (11) But decaing walls, will help the enemy, but hurt the defenders. (12) add enemy NPC seige, just like that one in Orsinium DLC.

    ........................................................................................................................................................................................

    Short Version

    1.We the PvPer build Wood/Stone Walls. For third Line defense.

    2. Wood/ Stone walls cost Gold/Ap

    3. Everyone needs to pay up, if they wish to use third line defense wall. (For example: Group)

    4. All 3 Alliance have churches in bases right? Good place to put Alliance Coffers. We could use Alliance Coffer for Third line Defense Wood/Stone wall.

    5. Just like for forward camp, time respawn. There should be a timer to setup a wall for that location. After wall destroyed.

    6. Hurting Alliance Pay less, buy more.

    7-8. Dominant Alliance way more expensive, Middle Alliance is less expensive than the Dominant.

    9. All third line defense walls must decay!

    10. We are still allowed to fix decaying walls. But if portion of wall is destroyed, we unable to repair that portion until timer ends.

    11. As with real fortified walls, decaying walls is weakness for defenders. So defenders look out!

    12. Add Enemy NPC siege, just like Orsinium DLC (Please make it hurt us)

    Also new idea, all resources around keeps should pay half for third line defense walls. That way if no one can afford, at least all 3 alliances have something. With that being said. To make it more fun, keeps we control can make money to pay for third line defense walls to. However there is a catch. These Coffers from keep goes directly to each Alliance churches outside of bases. The Money from keeps. We the PvPer must steal these Coffers from churches outside the bases! But hurry, enemies who stole opposing Alliance Coffers from the Churches. There is a set time limit and every 2 minutes, certain amount of money dissappear. So hurry to get to you respective Alliance church in base or out of base. before time runs out, all the Coffers you stole from enemy churches and carry will suddenly dissappear. Plus it help with Ap grinding in churches. Did I failed to mention 15 minute time limit, for Coffers to fully dissappear after you stole enemy Coffers?


    @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom (@PvP manager whom I forgot name :(@Rittings @Turelus @geonsocal @Serjustin19 (The one and only at your service) how's this? :smiley:


    Mr. Trump?

    (I apologise profoundly)

    No, but playing Cyrodiil for about 3+ yes. As well as me remembered the Original Forward camps. But taken away due to DK originally jumping on forward camp and flying over keeps. Just need something new with walls. Since also nothing has changed for walls for 3+ yrs in Cyrodiil. These walls will help the defender's who are defending keep. Plus keep is respective territory and among other things. Besides no offense Walls in real life is way older in use for wars. Plus I dislike having walls in my country anyways. So I greatly disagree wall in peace time. But since Walls where use in real life Wars including Ancient Wars and Feudal Period. Hence why I mean walls are way older, especially our ancestors in real life. Whom build walls for defense. Not to mention Cyrodiil is considered warfare in game. Hence good idea for walls, especially in past long forgotten.

    You sure do like your walls, huh? You used the word "wall" 10 time in 14 sentences...

    Just defending my ancestors ways :) Here's this (he loved walls greatly, even in peace) http://www.scotclans.com/john-clayton-the-man-who-saved-the-wall/

    Also the name of my ancestors, "Clan Campbell" and "Castle Campbell" plus Campbell is my name sake and birth name. Even though I no longer carry my name sake due to me being adopted in Foster Care 2005 and currently staying for exactly 13 years next month in April.

    Eventhough I no longer carry my name sake currently, due to adopted. In my heart I will always be Campbell and proud to carry my Campbell name and Clan Campbell heritage, no matter if I not wear Campbell no more.So please don't mock my ancestors no offense. This is why I defend my ancestors and strong belief. But like I said I don't like walls in peace time. In which means tear down walls.

    But if war, just like my ancestors, Clan Campbell. We must put up wall to defend ourselves, same for cyrodiil. So please don't mock me nor my ancestors no offense. We had to do what he had to do in war. I'm not allowed to say what I think what my country is doing. However I see I have no choice in matter. But no offense I dislike the whole wall thing in my country. Especially in peace time.

    So please don't come after me with "Mr trump and attacking my wall idea, to spice Cyrodiil up. No offense. Please don't mock my ancestors as well, especially Clan Campbell no offense. I'll leave this here as well. Castle Campbell, plus link said good chance had a wall surround Castle Campbell to as a third line defense. I rest my case my friend. Have a nice day :)

    http://www.marie-stuart.co.uk/Castles/Campbell.htm

    I'm honestly not a big fan of your idea (i think Cyrodil is just to small to start dividing it by walls) but I wasn't trying to mock you or your ancestors. A meme is a meme and I was having some light hearted fun since Mr. Trump is also a big supporter of walls.
  • Serjustin19
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    Royaji wrote: »
    Royaji wrote: »
    Royaji wrote: »
    Long Version

    (1) Why don't we build walls, around our territory we control. Or stronger defense within a defense of keep. Could be made out of wood or stone. (2) At same time, wall cost gold and or AP. However, since both Wood and Stone wall fortifications. It will be outmost expensive.

    (3) Everyone needs to pay up. Like a lottery of sorts, like a group pay for wall. As with real life and Ancient fortifications, to control enemy and good defense for defender's. (4) However with same time, it could be Coffers for Alliance. Don't directly come from other people.

    (5) With that being said, be a time limit for a certain area, after wood/stone fortification was used. However for balance with walls and not making power alliance make to many walls. (6)Hurting Alliance, is way Cheaper and less expensive.

    (7-8) More dominating Alliance, Walls be way more expensive than the hurting Alliance. Whilst Middle Alliance is more expensive than the First Alliance. As well as less expensive the Middle Alliance will be, from the Dominant Alliance. However to make it more fair for all 3 alliance.

    (9) All walls must decay, within a certain time frame. Once new fortified walls we PvPer put up decay. We must wait for timer to end to out up new walls. (10) But we are still allowed to fix decaying walls. (11) But decaing walls, will help the enemy, but hurt the defenders. (12) add enemy NPC seige, just like that one in Orsinium DLC.

    ........................................................................................................................................................................................

    Short Version

    1.We the PvPer build Wood/Stone Walls. For third Line defense.

    2. Wood/ Stone walls cost Gold/Ap

    3. Everyone needs to pay up, if they wish to use third line defense wall. (For example: Group)

    4. All 3 Alliance have churches in bases right? Good place to put Alliance Coffers. We could use Alliance Coffer for Third line Defense Wood/Stone wall.

    5. Just like for forward camp, time respawn. There should be a timer to setup a wall for that location. After wall destroyed.

    6. Hurting Alliance Pay less, buy more.

    7-8. Dominant Alliance way more expensive, Middle Alliance is less expensive than the Dominant.

    9. All third line defense walls must decay!

    10. We are still allowed to fix decaying walls. But if portion of wall is destroyed, we unable to repair that portion until timer ends.

    11. As with real fortified walls, decaying walls is weakness for defenders. So defenders look out!

    12. Add Enemy NPC siege, just like Orsinium DLC (Please make it hurt us)

    Also new idea, all resources around keeps should pay half for third line defense walls. That way if no one can afford, at least all 3 alliances have something. With that being said. To make it more fun, keeps we control can make money to pay for third line defense walls to. However there is a catch. These Coffers from keep goes directly to each Alliance churches outside of bases. The Money from keeps. We the PvPer must steal these Coffers from churches outside the bases! But hurry, enemies who stole opposing Alliance Coffers from the Churches. There is a set time limit and every 2 minutes, certain amount of money dissappear. So hurry to get to you respective Alliance church in base or out of base. before time runs out, all the Coffers you stole from enemy churches and carry will suddenly dissappear. Plus it help with Ap grinding in churches. Did I failed to mention 15 minute time limit, for Coffers to fully dissappear after you stole enemy Coffers?


    @Serjustin19 (The one and only at your service) how's this? :smiley:


    Mr. Trump?

    (I apologise profoundly)

    No, but playing Cyrodiil for about 3+ yes. As well as me remembered the Original Forward camps. But taken away due to DK originally jumping on forward camp and flying over keeps. Just need something new with walls. Since also nothing has changed for walls for 3+ yrs in Cyrodiil. These walls will help the defender's who are defending keep. Plus keep is respective territory and among other things. Besides no offense Walls in real life is way older in use for wars. Plus I dislike having walls in my country anyways. So I greatly disagree wall in peace time. But since Walls where use in real life Wars including Ancient Wars and Feudal Period. Hence why I mean walls are way older, especially our ancestors in real life. Whom build walls for defense. Not to mention Cyrodiil is considered warfare in game. Hence good idea for walls, especially in past long forgotten.

    You sure do like your walls, huh? You used the word "wall" 10 time in 14 sentences...

    Just defending my ancestors ways :) Here's this (he loved walls greatly, even in peace) http://www.scotclans.com/john-clayton-the-man-who-saved-the-wall/

    Also the name of my ancestors, "Clan Campbell" and "Castle Campbell" plus Campbell is my name sake and birth name. Even though I no longer carry my name sake due to me being adopted in Foster Care 2005 and currently staying for exactly 13 years next month in April.

    Eventhough I no longer carry my name sake currently, due to adopted. In my heart I will always be Campbell and proud to carry my Campbell name and Clan Campbell heritage, no matter if I not wear Campbell no more.So please don't mock my ancestors no offense. This is why I defend my ancestors and strong belief. But like I said I don't like walls in peace time. In which means tear down walls.

    But if war, just like my ancestors, Clan Campbell. We must put up wall to defend ourselves, same for cyrodiil. So please don't mock me nor my ancestors no offense. We had to do what he had to do in war. I'm not allowed to say what I think what my country is doing. However I see I have no choice in matter. But no offense I dislike the whole wall thing in my country. Especially in peace time.

    So please don't come after me with "Mr trump and attacking my wall idea, to spice Cyrodiil up. No offense. Please don't mock my ancestors as well, especially Clan Campbell no offense. I'll leave this here as well. Castle Campbell, plus link said good chance had a wall surround Castle Campbell to as a third line defense. I rest my case my friend. Have a nice day :)

    http://www.marie-stuart.co.uk/Castles/Campbell.htm

    I'm honestly not a big fan of your idea (i think Cyrodil is just to small to start dividing it by walls) but I wasn't trying to mock you or your ancestors. A meme is a meme and I was having some light hearted fun since Mr. Trump is also a big supporter of walls.

    :) it's OK. I honestly unsure what meme is. (I'm still in process of learning body language and how to use it.) Lot of stuff I'm still learning. Especially meme. I have no clue what meme was. Had look look it up.

    According to this I quote

    "meme
    mēm/Submit
    noun
    an element of a culture or system of behavior that may be considered to be passed from one individual to another by nongenetic means, especially imitation.
    a humorous image, video, piece of text, etc., that is copied (often with slight variations) and spread rapidly by Internet users." end quote.

    So what your saying, what you was writing was a humorous? OK that works. Like I said I'm learning these stuff. I should've learn these stuff in my childhood. But wasn't taught. It's so bad that my adoptive mom, next door. Keep harping me to laugh, me reading body language and in this case meme. Its so difficult for me to comprehend and understand honestly. In a way, I'm kinda like "Sai" in Naruto Shippuden series. He, the character had same problems as I going through and learning. Sorry for me acting a fool. I'm still in learning process. Thanks for making me understand :) You're probably right, Cyrodiil might be to small to. Thanks again :)
    Edited by Serjustin19 on March 15, 2018 12:25AM
    Official PSN message. 4-18-18 (Copy/Paste) Hey Justin. It is ok. You can be so much more without the *(left name out). For me you are always a legend. Look for a job you want. You always write like a bard or poet so maybe you should write a book"





    It Was A Glorious 2+ years in Scourge PS4 EU, especially during both the 1st and 2nd Scourge. As well as my time in Haderus PS4 EU. What will my journey bring, during my time in Shor, We shall wait; for my journey has only begun. Shor has ended as well as Yol, both hath gone short lived. Kaal and Laa alas are my new journey. Save for Laa replaced short lived Yol; The shortest campaign I've ever been. How many more campaigns must be renewed and delivered? No one knows, till the end. It's not the end, but only just the beginning. What do I mean by this? I don't really know honestly, I keep pondering this myself everyday.

  • geonsocal
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    as I mentioned earlier - I think the npcs being able to siege is very interesting...

    I know zos would never devote resources to it - but, it would also be cool to see some new siege equipment introduced in to cyrodiil...

    the idea of erecting scaffolds (for going over keep walls), or, being able to construct temporary defensive wall structures has been brought up before...

    interesting stuff...
    PVP Campaigns Section: Playstation NA and EU (Grey Host) - This Must be the Place
  • Royaji
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    Royaji wrote: »
    Royaji wrote: »
    Royaji wrote: »
    Long Version

    (1) Why don't we build walls, around our territory we control. Or stronger defense within a defense of keep. Could be made out of wood or stone. (2) At same time, wall cost gold and or AP. However, since both Wood and Stone wall fortifications. It will be outmost expensive.

    (3) Everyone needs to pay up. Like a lottery of sorts, like a group pay for wall. As with real life and Ancient fortifications, to control enemy and good defense for defender's. (4) However with same time, it could be Coffers for Alliance. Don't directly come from other people.

    (5) With that being said, be a time limit for a certain area, after wood/stone fortification was used. However for balance with walls and not making power alliance make to many walls. (6)Hurting Alliance, is way Cheaper and less expensive.

    (7-8) More dominating Alliance, Walls be way more expensive than the hurting Alliance. Whilst Middle Alliance is more expensive than the First Alliance. As well as less expensive the Middle Alliance will be, from the Dominant Alliance. However to make it more fair for all 3 alliance.

    (9) All walls must decay, within a certain time frame. Once new fortified walls we PvPer put up decay. We must wait for timer to end to out up new walls. (10) But we are still allowed to fix decaying walls. (11) But decaing walls, will help the enemy, but hurt the defenders. (12) add enemy NPC seige, just like that one in Orsinium DLC.

    ........................................................................................................................................................................................

    Short Version

    1.We the PvPer build Wood/Stone Walls. For third Line defense.

    2. Wood/ Stone walls cost Gold/Ap

    3. Everyone needs to pay up, if they wish to use third line defense wall. (For example: Group)

    4. All 3 Alliance have churches in bases right? Good place to put Alliance Coffers. We could use Alliance Coffer for Third line Defense Wood/Stone wall.

    5. Just like for forward camp, time respawn. There should be a timer to setup a wall for that location. After wall destroyed.

    6. Hurting Alliance Pay less, buy more.

    7-8. Dominant Alliance way more expensive, Middle Alliance is less expensive than the Dominant.

    9. All third line defense walls must decay!

    10. We are still allowed to fix decaying walls. But if portion of wall is destroyed, we unable to repair that portion until timer ends.

    11. As with real fortified walls, decaying walls is weakness for defenders. So defenders look out!

    12. Add Enemy NPC siege, just like Orsinium DLC (Please make it hurt us)

    Also new idea, all resources around keeps should pay half for third line defense walls. That way if no one can afford, at least all 3 alliances have something. With that being said. To make it more fun, keeps we control can make money to pay for third line defense walls to. However there is a catch. These Coffers from keep goes directly to each Alliance churches outside of bases. The Money from keeps. We the PvPer must steal these Coffers from churches outside the bases! But hurry, enemies who stole opposing Alliance Coffers from the Churches. There is a set time limit and every 2 minutes, certain amount of money dissappear. So hurry to get to you respective Alliance church in base or out of base. before time runs out, all the Coffers you stole from enemy churches and carry will suddenly dissappear. Plus it help with Ap grinding in churches. Did I failed to mention 15 minute time limit, for Coffers to fully dissappear after you stole enemy Coffers?


    @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom (@PvP manager whom I forgot name :(@Rittings @Turelus @geonsocal @Serjustin19 (The one and only at your service) how's this? :smiley:


    Mr. Trump?

    (I apologise profoundly)

    No, but playing Cyrodiil for about 3+ yes. As well as me remembered the Original Forward camps. But taken away due to DK originally jumping on forward camp and flying over keeps. Just need something new with walls. Since also nothing has changed for walls for 3+ yrs in Cyrodiil. These walls will help the defender's who are defending keep. Plus keep is respective territory and among other things. Besides no offense Walls in real life is way older in use for wars. Plus I dislike having walls in my country anyways. So I greatly disagree wall in peace time. But since Walls where use in real life Wars including Ancient Wars and Feudal Period. Hence why I mean walls are way older, especially our ancestors in real life. Whom build walls for defense. Not to mention Cyrodiil is considered warfare in game. Hence good idea for walls, especially in past long forgotten.

    You sure do like your walls, huh? You used the word "wall" 10 time in 14 sentences...

    Just defending my ancestors ways :) Here's this (he loved walls greatly, even in peace) http://www.scotclans.com/john-clayton-the-man-who-saved-the-wall/

    Also the name of my ancestors, "Clan Campbell" and "Castle Campbell" plus Campbell is my name sake and birth name. Even though I no longer carry my name sake due to me being adopted in Foster Care 2005 and currently staying for exactly 13 years next month in April.

    Eventhough I no longer carry my name sake currently, due to adopted. In my heart I will always be Campbell and proud to carry my Campbell name and Clan Campbell heritage, no matter if I not wear Campbell no more.So please don't mock my ancestors no offense. This is why I defend my ancestors and strong belief. But like I said I don't like walls in peace time. In which means tear down walls.

    But if war, just like my ancestors, Clan Campbell. We must put up wall to defend ourselves, same for cyrodiil. So please don't mock me nor my ancestors no offense. We had to do what he had to do in war. I'm not allowed to say what I think what my country is doing. However I see I have no choice in matter. But no offense I dislike the whole wall thing in my country. Especially in peace time.

    So please don't come after me with "Mr trump and attacking my wall idea, to spice Cyrodiil up. No offense. Please don't mock my ancestors as well, especially Clan Campbell no offense. I'll leave this here as well. Castle Campbell, plus link said good chance had a wall surround Castle Campbell to as a third line defense. I rest my case my friend. Have a nice day :)

    http://www.marie-stuart.co.uk/Castles/Campbell.htm

    I'm honestly not a big fan of your idea (i think Cyrodil is just to small to start dividing it by walls) but I wasn't trying to mock you or your ancestors. A meme is a meme and I was having some light hearted fun since Mr. Trump is also a big supporter of walls.

    :) it's OK. I honestly unsure what meme is. (I'm still in process of learning body language and how to use it.) Lot of stuff I'm still learning. Especially meme. I have no clue what meme was. Had look look it up.

    According to this I quote

    "meme
    mēm/Submit
    noun
    an element of a culture or system of behavior that may be considered to be passed from one individual to another by nongenetic means, especially imitation.
    a humorous image, video, piece of text, etc., that is copied (often with slight variations) and spread rapidly by Internet users." end quote.

    So what your saying, what you was writing was a humorous? OK that works. Like I said I'm learning these stuff. I should've learn these stuff in my childhood. But wasn't taught. It's so bad that my adoptive mom, next door. Keep harping me to laugh, me reading body language and in this case meme. Its so difficult for me to comprehend and understand honestly. In a way, I'm kinda like "Sai" in Naruto Shippuden series. He, the character had same problems as I going through and learning. Sorry for me acting a fool. I'm still in learning process. Thanks for making me understand :) You're probably right, Cyrodiil might be to small to. Thanks again :)

    A meme is just some joke/funny picture/video/gif that is oftenly used on the internet. Since Trump is so vocal about his plans to build a wall a lot of people make fun of him and it became a meme. So yes, it was a little joke. And as you can see by me apologizing in the same post it wasn't even a good one. I just like those little comments like that and sometimes can't hold myself off of using them.
  • Serjustin19
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    geonsocal wrote: »
    Long Version

    (1) Why don't we build walls, around our territory we control. Or stronger defense within a defense of keep. Could be made out of wood or stone. (2) At same time, wall cost gold and or AP. However, since both Wood and Stone wall fortifications. It will be outmost expensive.

    (3) Everyone needs to pay up. Like a lottery of sorts, like a group pay for wall. As with real life and Ancient fortifications, to control enemy and good defense for defender's. (4) However with same time, it could be Coffers for Alliance. Don't directly come from other people.

    (5) With that being said, be a time limit for a certain area, after wood/stone fortification was used. However for balance with walls and not making power alliance make to many walls. (6)Hurting Alliance, is way Cheaper and less expensive.

    (7-8) More dominating Alliance, Walls be way more expensive than the hurting Alliance. Whilst Middle Alliance is more expensive than the First Alliance. As well as less expensive the Middle Alliance will be, from the Dominant Alliance. However to make it more fair for all 3 alliance.

    (9) All walls must decay, within a certain time frame. Once new fortified walls we PvPer put up decay. We must wait for timer to end to out up new walls. (10) But we are still allowed to fix decaying walls. (11) But decaing walls, will help the enemy, but hurt the defenders. (12) add enemy NPC seige, just like that one in Orsinium DLC.

    ........................................................................................................................................................................................

    Short Version

    1.We the PvPer build Wood/Stone Walls. For third Line defense.

    2. Wood/ Stone walls cost Gold/Ap

    3. Everyone needs to pay up, if they wish to use third line defense wall. (For example: Group)

    4. All 3 Alliance have churches in bases right? Good place to put Alliance Coffers. We could use Alliance Coffer for Third line Defense Wood/Stone wall.

    5. Just like for forward camp, time respawn. There should be a timer to setup a wall for that location. After wall destroyed.

    6. Hurting Alliance Pay less, buy more.

    7-8. Dominant Alliance way more expensive, Middle Alliance is less expensive than the Dominant.

    9. All third line defense walls must decay!

    10. We are still allowed to fix decaying walls. But if portion of wall is destroyed, we unable to repair that portion until timer ends.

    11. As with real fortified walls, decaying walls is weakness for defenders. So defenders look out!

    12. Add Enemy NPC siege, just like Orsinium DLC (Please make it hurt us)

    Also new idea, all resources around keeps should pay half for third line defense walls. That way if no one can afford, at least all 3 alliances have something. With that being said. To make it more fun, keeps we control can make money to pay for third line defense walls to. However there is a catch. These Coffers from keep goes directly to each Alliance churches outside of bases. The Money from keeps. We the PvPer must steal these Coffers from churches outside the bases! But hurry, enemies who stole opposing Alliance Coffers from the Churches. There is a set time limit and every 2 minutes, certain amount of money dissappear. So hurry to get to you respective Alliance church in base or out of base. before time runs out, all the Coffers you stole from enemy churches and carry will suddenly dissappear. Plus it help with Ap grinding in churches. Did I failed to mention 15 minute time limit, for Coffers to fully dissappear after you stole enemy Coffers?


    @Serjustin19 (The one and only at your service) how's this? :smiley:

    howdy sir justin :)

    great job...yes sir, that would definitely spice things up...

    I really like the idea if npcs using siege...that's an awesome idea...not sure how those folks in no cp campaigns would manage - but, it would be an interesting element to add...

    I also really like the idea of aiding low pop factions...

    Hi thanks, I really like the thing for low population to :)
    geonsocal wrote: »
    as I mentioned earlier - I think the npcs being able to siege is very interesting...

    I know zos would never devote resources to it - but, it would also be cool to see some new siege equipment introduced in to cyrodiil...

    the idea of erecting scaffolds (for going over keep walls), or, being able to construct temporary defensive wall structures has been brought up before...

    interesting stuff...

    I really like the new siege as well. I don't thing Greek Fire would help. Plus now Naval Warfare. Siege tower won't work and grappling hook to. I unsure what other siege we can add. Scaffolds would make sense to or under group trenches and destroy wall underneath. Or ram with fire. :)
    Edited by Serjustin19 on March 15, 2018 12:27AM
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  • Turelus
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    If someone could remove all the tagged names in that quote chain, I think everyone in it would appreciate it. :sweat_smile:
    @Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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  • Serjustin19
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    Turelus wrote: »
    If someone could remove all the tagged names in that quote chain, I think everyone in it would appreciate it. :sweat_smile:

    My bad I kinda got to carried away. I fixed the ones on my end. I don't use email alerts as well. I hope I fixed my end. :blush:
    Royaji wrote: »
    Royaji wrote: »
    Royaji wrote: »
    Royaji wrote: »
    Long Version

    (1) Why don't we build walls, around our territory we control. Or stronger defense within a defense of keep. Could be made out of wood or stone. (2) At same time, wall cost gold and or AP. However, since both Wood and Stone wall fortifications. It will be outmost expensive.

    (3) Everyone needs to pay up. Like a lottery of sorts, like a group pay for wall. As with real life and Ancient fortifications, to control enemy and good defense for defender's. (4) However with same time, it could be Coffers for Alliance. Don't directly come from other people.

    (5) With that being said, be a time limit for a certain area, after wood/stone fortification was used. However for balance with walls and not making power alliance make to many walls. (6)Hurting Alliance, is way Cheaper and less expensive.

    (7-8) More dominating Alliance, Walls be way more expensive than the hurting Alliance. Whilst Middle Alliance is more expensive than the First Alliance. As well as less expensive the Middle Alliance will be, from the Dominant Alliance. However to make it more fair for all 3 alliance.

    (9) All walls must decay, within a certain time frame. Once new fortified walls we PvPer put up decay. We must wait for timer to end to out up new walls. (10) But we are still allowed to fix decaying walls. (11) But decaing walls, will help the enemy, but hurt the defenders. (12) add enemy NPC seige, just like that one in Orsinium DLC.

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    Short Version

    1.We the PvPer build Wood/Stone Walls. For third Line defense.

    2. Wood/ Stone walls cost Gold/Ap

    3. Everyone needs to pay up, if they wish to use third line defense wall. (For example: Group)

    4. All 3 Alliance have churches in bases right? Good place to put Alliance Coffers. We could use Alliance Coffer for Third line Defense Wood/Stone wall.

    5. Just like for forward camp, time respawn. There should be a timer to setup a wall for that location. After wall destroyed.

    6. Hurting Alliance Pay less, buy more.

    7-8. Dominant Alliance way more expensive, Middle Alliance is less expensive than the Dominant.

    9. All third line defense walls must decay!

    10. We are still allowed to fix decaying walls. But if portion of wall is destroyed, we unable to repair that portion until timer ends.

    11. As with real fortified walls, decaying walls is weakness for defenders. So defenders look out!

    12. Add Enemy NPC siege, just like Orsinium DLC (Please make it hurt us)

    Also new idea, all resources around keeps should pay half for third line defense walls. That way if no one can afford, at least all 3 alliances have something. With that being said. To make it more fun, keeps we control can make money to pay for third line defense walls to. However there is a catch. These Coffers from keep goes directly to each Alliance churches outside of bases. The Money from keeps. We the PvPer must steal these Coffers from churches outside the bases! But hurry, enemies who stole opposing Alliance Coffers from the Churches. There is a set time limit and every 2 minutes, certain amount of money dissappear. So hurry to get to you respective Alliance church in base or out of base. before time runs out, all the Coffers you stole from enemy churches and carry will suddenly dissappear. Plus it help with Ap grinding in churches. Did I failed to mention 15 minute time limit, for Coffers to fully dissappear after you stole enemy Coffers?


    @Serjustin19 (The one and only at your service) how's this? :smiley:


    Mr. Trump?

    (I apologise profoundly)

    No, but playing Cyrodiil for about 3+ yes. As well as me remembered the Original Forward camps. But taken away due to DK originally jumping on forward camp and flying over keeps. Just need something new with walls. Since also nothing has changed for walls for 3+ yrs in Cyrodiil. These walls will help the defender's who are defending keep. Plus keep is respective territory and among other things. Besides no offense Walls in real life is way older in use for wars. Plus I dislike having walls in my country anyways. So I greatly disagree wall in peace time. But since Walls where use in real life Wars including Ancient Wars and Feudal Period. Hence why I mean walls are way older, especially our ancestors in real life. Whom build walls for defense. Not to mention Cyrodiil is considered warfare in game. Hence good idea for walls, especially in past long forgotten.

    You sure do like your walls, huh? You used the word "wall" 10 time in 14 sentences...

    Just defending my ancestors ways :) Here's this (he loved walls greatly, even in peace) http://www.scotclans.com/john-clayton-the-man-who-saved-the-wall/

    Also the name of my ancestors, "Clan Campbell" and "Castle Campbell" plus Campbell is my name sake and birth name. Even though I no longer carry my name sake due to me being adopted in Foster Care 2005 and currently staying for exactly 13 years next month in April.

    Eventhough I no longer carry my name sake currently, due to adopted. In my heart I will always be Campbell and proud to carry my Campbell name and Clan Campbell heritage, no matter if I not wear Campbell no more.So please don't mock my ancestors no offense. This is why I defend my ancestors and strong belief. But like I said I don't like walls in peace time. In which means tear down walls.

    But if war, just like my ancestors, Clan Campbell. We must put up wall to defend ourselves, same for cyrodiil. So please don't mock me nor my ancestors no offense. We had to do what he had to do in war. I'm not allowed to say what I think what my country is doing. However I see I have no choice in matter. But no offense I dislike the whole wall thing in my country. Especially in peace time.

    So please don't come after me with "Mr trump and attacking my wall idea, to spice Cyrodiil up. No offense. Please don't mock my ancestors as well, especially Clan Campbell no offense. I'll leave this here as well. Castle Campbell, plus link said good chance had a wall surround Castle Campbell to as a third line defense. I rest my case my friend. Have a nice day :)

    http://www.marie-stuart.co.uk/Castles/Campbell.htm

    I'm honestly not a big fan of your idea (i think Cyrodil is just to small to start dividing it by walls) but I wasn't trying to mock you or your ancestors. A meme is a meme and I was having some light hearted fun since Mr. Trump is also a big supporter of walls.

    :) it's OK. I honestly unsure what meme is. (I'm still in process of learning body language and how to use it.) Lot of stuff I'm still learning. Especially meme. I have no clue what meme was. Had look look it up.

    According to this I quote

    "meme
    mēm/Submit
    noun
    an element of a culture or system of behavior that may be considered to be passed from one individual to another by nongenetic means, especially imitation.
    a humorous image, video, piece of text, etc., that is copied (often with slight variations) and spread rapidly by Internet users." end quote.

    So what your saying, what you was writing was a humorous? OK that works. Like I said I'm learning these stuff. I should've learn these stuff in my childhood. But wasn't taught. It's so bad that my adoptive mom, next door. Keep harping me to laugh, me reading body language and in this case meme. Its so difficult for me to comprehend and understand honestly. In a way, I'm kinda like "Sai" in Naruto Shippuden series. He, the character had same problems as I going through and learning. Sorry for me acting a fool. I'm still in learning process. Thanks for making me understand :) You're probably right, Cyrodiil might be to small to. Thanks again :)

    A meme is just some joke/funny picture/video/gif that is oftenly used on the internet. Since Trump is so vocal about his plans to build a wall a lot of people make fun of him and it became a meme. So yes, it was a little joke. And as you can see by me apologizing in the same post it wasn't even a good one. I just like those little comments like that and sometimes can't hold myself off of using them.

    Thank you :) I still got so much to learn.
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    It Was A Glorious 2+ years in Scourge PS4 EU, especially during both the 1st and 2nd Scourge. As well as my time in Haderus PS4 EU. What will my journey bring, during my time in Shor, We shall wait; for my journey has only begun. Shor has ended as well as Yol, both hath gone short lived. Kaal and Laa alas are my new journey. Save for Laa replaced short lived Yol; The shortest campaign I've ever been. How many more campaigns must be renewed and delivered? No one knows, till the end. It's not the end, but only just the beginning. What do I mean by this? I don't really know honestly, I keep pondering this myself everyday.

  • Zaldan
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    umm NPCs currently in cyrodiil aren't even an annoyance 99% of the time as they're not a threat
    Dovie'andi se tovya sagain.
    Niidro tiid wah fusvok dirkah.

    aka.@Cuthceol
  • VaranisArano
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    Zaldan wrote: »
    umm NPCs currently in cyrodiil aren't even an annoyance 99% of the time as they're not a threat

    Not in CP PVP anyway once I taught myself to solo resources. I've never tried to solo a resource in No CP PVP, but I'm told the NPCs are much more difficult.

    Now, if you were talking about delve NPCs, yeah, those aren't any more of a threat that the delve NPCs are in PVE.
  • Serjustin19
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    Zaldan wrote: »
    umm NPCs currently in cyrodiil aren't even an annoyance 99% of the time as they're not a threat

    Not in CP PVP anyway once I taught myself to solo resources. I've never tried to solo a resource in No CP PVP, but I'm told the NPCs are much more difficult.

    Now, if you were talking about delve NPCs, yeah, those aren't any more of a threat that the delve NPCs are in PVE.

    I was testing out Vampire ult I unlocked. I all healer mostly, with sweep spam and vamp bane. I must admit I kinda cried how weak I was in Shor EP zone Chat Tuesday night, my time. Guards will always be a problem for me, especially in cp. :wink:
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    It Was A Glorious 2+ years in Scourge PS4 EU, especially during both the 1st and 2nd Scourge. As well as my time in Haderus PS4 EU. What will my journey bring, during my time in Shor, We shall wait; for my journey has only begun. Shor has ended as well as Yol, both hath gone short lived. Kaal and Laa alas are my new journey. Save for Laa replaced short lived Yol; The shortest campaign I've ever been. How many more campaigns must be renewed and delivered? No one knows, till the end. It's not the end, but only just the beginning. What do I mean by this? I don't really know honestly, I keep pondering this myself everyday.

  • Feanor
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    Zaldan wrote: »
    umm NPCs currently in cyrodiil aren't even an annoyance 99% of the time as they're not a threat

    Not in CP PVP anyway once I taught myself to solo resources. I've never tried to solo a resource in No CP PVP, but I'm told the NPCs are much more difficult.

    Now, if you were talking about delve NPCs, yeah, those aren't any more of a threat that the delve NPCs are in PVE.

    Level 5 resource NPCs are definitely tough to solo in noCP, fresh level 1 ones not so much. The usual strategy works however, you can pull one healer and one guard into the tower and kill them and the mage on top and then deal with the rest. Also you can soften them up before engaging with a Meatbag. That’s a bit cheesing though.

    NPCs would be easier if the CC and the ability around them were finally behaving normally. Nothing like being chain CCed. Also some of the NPC still use abilities from former times. They never were updated, so it’s not consistent with player abilities.
    Edited by Feanor on March 15, 2018 6:59AM
    Main characters:
    Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 45 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)
    Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)

    Other characters:
    Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial Necromancer
    Fearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)
    Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)
    Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDK
    Valirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBlade
    Turuna - AD Altmer magBlade
    Kheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDK
    Kibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - Stormproof
    Yavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWarden
    Azog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWarden
    Vidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDK
    Marquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - Stormproof
    Rawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWarden
    Tu'waccah - AD Redguard Stamplar

    All chars 50 @ CP 1600+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.
  • Rittings
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    Listen, I'm not saying make all PVP campaigns like this... I'm suggesting a separate campaign (or two if you want a no CP version).

    Right now, there is a divide in the community between PVP and PVE. I don't really see this as PVE - I see it as a further extension of PVP. Not to mention that it would bring a LOT more players into the PVP fold (which I think we can all agree is much needed).

    PVP already has NPCs in, and those are a utility for PVPers (drawing the enemy into the guards etc). It would literally be similar tactics, but require more skill and articulation to take advantage.

    I've played pvp and pve for 3 years now - and have to say, I'm getting very bored with both. Even new dungeons don't feel new - and PVE gets a lot of new content... so imagine how bored a lot of people are getting with PVP!! Nothing in Cyrodiil has changed since the Imperial City (and the changes there already killed it nearly completely).
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    For myself, the thing that makes Cyrodiil exciting isn't the landscape or the NPCs. Its the players. The landscape and the NPCs are the static unchanging stage on which we play out our battles, player vs player, raid vs raid, faction vs faction.

    I play PC/NA regularly, and no night is ever quite the same. That's why Cyrodiil keeps me interested because I'm fighting and strategiz8ng against someone better than any NPC AI can hope to be: enemy players.
  • geonsocal
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    Rittings wrote: »
    Nothing in Cyrodiil has changed since the Imperial City (and the changes there already killed it nearly completely).

    not to get too sidetracked from the original discussion - but, what you said has to be one of the more puzzling aspects of the game which i've encountered...

    you would think that since zos has access to the player participation data - they would have reverted those changes (adding in district flags and making it so that you can't rez in a district without control of the flag)...

    the change to tel-var loss was okay...dumbing down the npcs was alright...not allowing for the Assault Reach passive to work on platforms sucked...but, making it hard for us to fight where and when we want - was not cool at all...

    my impression at the time was that zos wanted to spread us out in IC, but, that wasn't what most of us wanted - at the very least what i wanted...

    besides for the fact that we have to trudge through cyrodiil (sometimes as long as 4 minutes or so) on the mount simulator just to access a dlc we all paid for...
    Edited by geonsocal on March 15, 2018 7:05PM
    PVP Campaigns Section: Playstation NA and EU (Grey Host) - This Must be the Place
  • Joosef_Kivikilpi
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    Nah, I want invasions.

    If a faction pushes all the way to the scroll gates, as well as the keep before them (three in total), rushes through the gates to the faction spawn points (north or south gates) and make it to a certain point, each player be given an invitation lasting 60 seconds to accept and be put in queue for a raiding party to invade one of the faction's base PVE overland contents. Within that queue time, an invitation then goes out to everyone of that invaded overland content's allied faction to accept an invitation to defend the zone.

    Each zone would have an objective, and objectives could be randomly chosen between 10 or so quests and you only have a limited amount of respawns per alliance for each objective, maybe 50 per alliance.

    ie

    1 - Defender Objective:
    1) Repel enemy for 10 minutes from taking "Crosswych" from the mountain pass.
    - if victorious, invasion ends
    - if defeated, fall back and defend Aldrich ports

    1 - Attacker Objective:
    1) Conquer Crosswych to establish a base of operations
    - unlocks siege engine merchant to purchase scattershot catapults and stone trebuchets for use in later battles (due to Crosswych being a mining community)

    2 - Defender Objective:
    1) Repel enemy for 10 minutes from capturing Aldrich
    - if victorious, momentum buff gained and new objective to destroy enemy base of operations in Crosswych
    - if defeated, fall back to defend the castle of Daggerfall

    2 - Attacker Objective:
    1) Capture Aldrich ports
    - if victorious, unlocks battering rams to be purchased
    - if defeated, must defend Crosswych and spawn point

    3 - Defender Objective:
    1) Defend King of Daggerfall
    2) Push back invaders
    - if victorious, take back Aldrich and Crosswych
    - if defeated, get King of Daggerfall to safety to the docks etc etc

    3 - Attacker Objective:
    1) Capture the King of Daggerfall
    -if victorious, buff for certain amount of time given to invader players outside and inside Cyrodiil for 24 hours or so etc
    - if defeated, must must defend both Aldrich and Crosswych with only 50 respawns.

    Goes back and forth, but a general idea. It'd be so freaking dope with the idea polished up and everything. Give players outside Cyrodiil something meaningful and to always be ready to protect their faction just in case. Gives incentive to keep more faction players loyal to their faction areas. Invasions would be instanced out for the participating players and could only have as many invading players as their would be defending players who selected to go in.

    It would be dope as heck. Would semi feel like a barbarian raid with pvpers having impen armor and burst against pve wall defenders etc. Instanced versions would make the objective areas and terrain between more styled for war ie being able to scale the wall and put oils down, catapults etc in major cities and palisade walls as example being closed in Aldrich and other entrances sealed off. Make flanking a real thing in taking a longer route to get around a more exposed area in the town etc.

    Just some basic thoughts and it could go individually and uniquely to each overland zone for their faction. Holy fetch I'd be pvping for days then! Plus, it would remove faction population in Cyrodiil of the aggressors so the weaker alliance could push out and be given time to take hold of their territory again and possibly go for scrolls.

    OR even if you die as an invader, you spawn back in Cyrodiil unless you have your first objective taken as an HQ.

    There would be a ton of awesome ideas to spice it all up, but in my opinion, this would be SO sick to implement. A lot of work, but I feel a lot of open-worldlike PVP feel to it.
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