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Thogard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think, cloak surpressing DoTs and forcing single target skills to miss has more technical reasons than balance purposes, because as it is coded right now, everything that deals dmg to a cloaked nb will break cloak and if it wouldn't break cloak then the dmg numbers from ticking DoTs would still give the nbs position away. It would need a complete ovethaul and we all know what tends to happen when ZOS messes with the game ...
Yup.PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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Aedaryl✭✭✭✭✭
✭I think, cloak surpressing DoTs and forcing single target skills to miss has more technical reasons than balance purposes, because as it is coded right now, everything that deals dmg to a cloaked nb will break cloak and if it wouldn't break cloak then the dmg numbers from ticking DoTs would still give the nbs position away. It would need a complete ovethaul and we all know what tends to happen when ZOS messes with the game ...
Yup.
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ak_pvp✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I think, cloak surpressing DoTs and forcing single target skills to miss has more technical reasons than balance purposes, because as it is coded right now, everything that deals dmg to a cloaked nb will break cloak and if it wouldn't break cloak then the dmg numbers from ticking DoTs would still give the nbs position away. Changing this would require a complete overhaul and we all know what tends to happen when ZOS messes with the game ...
True, but I'd rather a whole revamp than integrating bugs as features if they mess with balance heavily. Both crit heals+dots and suppression are just bugs left as is. (Salty because my fun bug is classes as an exploit/removed but when NBs do it its "working as intended")MagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
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Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I think, cloak surpressing DoTs and forcing single target skills to miss has more technical reasons than balance purposes, because as it is coded right now, everything that deals dmg to a cloaked nb will break cloak and if it wouldn't break cloak then the dmg numbers from ticking DoTs would still give the nbs position away. It would need a complete ovethaul and we all know what tends to happen when ZOS messes with the game ...
Yup.
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Wrong.
DoTs on me while invisible from invis pot show "MISS" very clearly, but do not break invisibility.0 -
Thogard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think, cloak surpressing DoTs and forcing single target skills to miss has more technical reasons than balance purposes, because as it is coded right now, everything that deals dmg to a cloaked nb will break cloak and if it wouldn't break cloak then the dmg numbers from ticking DoTs would still give the nbs position away. It would need a complete ovethaul and we all know what tends to happen when ZOS messes with the game ...
Yup.
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Wrong.
DoTs on me while invisible from invis pot show "MISS" very clearly, but do not break invisibility.
Ah good point.PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I think, cloak surpressing DoTs and forcing single target skills to miss has more technical reasons than balance purposes, because as it is coded right now, everything that deals dmg to a cloaked nb will break cloak and if it wouldn't break cloak then the dmg numbers from ticking DoTs would still give the nbs position away. It would need a complete ovethaul and we all know what tends to happen when ZOS messes with the game ...
Yup.
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Wrong.
DoTs on me while invisible from invis pot show "MISS" very clearly, but do not break invisibility.
Ah good point.
No. It's a terrible point. It gets me killed by zergs!
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Thogard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think, cloak surpressing DoTs and forcing single target skills to miss has more technical reasons than balance purposes, because as it is coded right now, everything that deals dmg to a cloaked nb will break cloak and if it wouldn't break cloak then the dmg numbers from ticking DoTs would still give the nbs position away. It would need a complete ovethaul and we all know what tends to happen when ZOS messes with the game ...
Yup.
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Wrong.
DoTs on me while invisible from invis pot show "MISS" very clearly, but do not break invisibility.
Ah good point.
No. It's a terrible point. It gets me killed by zergs!
(>~<)
I don’t think they show where you are, they just show where you were.
PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I think, cloak surpressing DoTs and forcing single target skills to miss has more technical reasons than balance purposes, because as it is coded right now, everything that deals dmg to a cloaked nb will break cloak and if it wouldn't break cloak then the dmg numbers from ticking DoTs would still give the nbs position away. It would need a complete ovethaul and we all know what tends to happen when ZOS messes with the game ...
Yup.
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Wrong.
DoTs on me while invisible from invis pot show "MISS" very clearly, but do not break invisibility.
Ah good point.
No. It's a terrible point. It gets me killed by zergs!
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I don’t think they show where you are, they just show where you were.
Possible.
It's still enough to chase me down and spam AoEs.
Nightblades don't appreciate how good they have it with invisibility on demand, while I have 45 seconds cooldown. One mistake by an NB means pressing Cloak again. One mistake on my part means death.
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Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I think, cloak surpressing DoTs and forcing single target skills to miss has more technical reasons than balance purposes, because as it is coded right now, everything that deals dmg to a cloaked nb will break cloak and if it wouldn't break cloak then the dmg numbers from ticking DoTs would still give the nbs position away. It would need a complete ovethaul and we all know what tends to happen when ZOS messes with the game ...
Yup.
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Wrong.
DoTs on me while invisible from invis pot show "MISS" very clearly, but do not break invisibility.
Ah good point.
No. It's a terrible point. It gets me killed by zergs!
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I don’t think they show where you are, they just show where you were.
Nope, they show exact position of the cloaked NB0 -
BohnT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I think, cloak surpressing DoTs and forcing single target skills to miss has more technical reasons than balance purposes, because as it is coded right now, everything that deals dmg to a cloaked nb will break cloak and if it wouldn't break cloak then the dmg numbers from ticking DoTs would still give the nbs position away. It would need a complete ovethaul and we all know what tends to happen when ZOS messes with the game ...
Yup.
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Wrong.
DoTs on me while invisible from invis pot show "MISS" very clearly, but do not break invisibility.
Ah good point.
No. It's a terrible point. It gets me killed by zergs!
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I don’t think they show where you are, they just show where you were.
Nope, they show exact position of the cloaked NB
They show the point where you entered cloak1 -
Thogard✭✭✭✭✭
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I think if the NB reapplies cloak then it will move to the location the NB reapplies cloak at.I think, cloak surpressing DoTs and forcing single target skills to miss has more technical reasons than balance purposes, because as it is coded right now, everything that deals dmg to a cloaked nb will break cloak and if it wouldn't break cloak then the dmg numbers from ticking DoTs would still give the nbs position away. It would need a complete ovethaul and we all know what tends to happen when ZOS messes with the game ...
Yup.
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Wrong.
DoTs on me while invisible from invis pot show "MISS" very clearly, but do not break invisibility.
Ah good point.
No. It's a terrible point. It gets me killed by zergs!
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I don’t think they show where you are, they just show where you were.
Nope, they show exact position of the cloaked NB
They show the point where you entered cloak
Not 100% certain though. But what I do know is that I always hit the bubbles with AoEs and almost never catch the nightblade
PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I think, cloak surpressing DoTs and forcing single target skills to miss has more technical reasons than balance purposes, because as it is coded right now, everything that deals dmg to a cloaked nb will break cloak and if it wouldn't break cloak then the dmg numbers from ticking DoTs would still give the nbs position away. It would need a complete ovethaul and we all know what tends to happen when ZOS messes with the game ...
Yup.
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Wrong.
DoTs on me while invisible from invis pot show "MISS" very clearly, but do not break invisibility.
Ah good point.
No. It's a terrible point. It gets me killed by zergs!
(>~<)
I don’t think they show where you are, they just show where you were.
Nope, they show exact position of the cloaked NB
They show the point where you entered cloak
Interesting, I’ve had really good success using “Miss” location to pull NBs out of cloak. It could be that the ones it’s working on are literally just trash though. It seems like most of the NB population are bads so I guess it’s not that surprising0 -
Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@Lexxypwns said it best. The natural predator to a nightblade is another nightblade. piercing mark is devastating imho.
I love that moment when the NB starts to panic because he’s lacking adequate defense besides cloak, its palpable.
There’s nothing I enjoy more than seeing a bunch of stamblades in a BG, that’s when it’s time to do work
^^^^ Yup lol.
Also reminds me of when Mag Sorcs were OP and all the bad players bandwagoned to them.
Not that there weren’t bad NBs then, but it seems that the general populace following the “meta” became NBs now because of how strong they currently are.0 -
techprince✭✭✭✭✭This is what happens when you remove its hard counters. Very high burst, instant invisibility, crit heals, very small window for counter-play.Edited by techprince on March 14, 2018 2:14PM0 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭techprince wrote: »This is what happens when you remove its hard counters. Very high burst, instant invisibility, crit heals, very small window for counter-play.
those counter plays were destroying everything else.
NB is, and was always an overtuned class. Ridicilous things like SA or power lash,cliff racer kept them in check.0 -
techprince✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »techprince wrote: »This is what happens when you remove its hard counters. Very high burst, instant invisibility, crit heals, very small window for counter-play.
those counter plays were destroying everything else.
NB is, and was always an overtuned class. Ridicilous things like SA or power lash,cliff racer kept them in check.
At least we had counter plays.
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Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭techprince wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »techprince wrote: »This is what happens when you remove its hard counters. Very high burst, instant invisibility, crit heals, very small window for counter-play.
those counter plays were destroying everything else.
NB is, and was always an overtuned class. Ridicilous things like SA or power lash,cliff racer kept them in check.
At least we had counter plays.
as a solo stamDK, playing in no-cp I never had that ''counterplay''.
Issue was never breaking the cloak, issue was how much damage they absorb with it+how good they heal.
Combine this with the amount of free stats they get,add an easy mode spammable+cheap ult and you have an OP class.
Its the same thing for the last few months for me. But I got laughed at for saying nb is not a weak class.
Now its funny to see the same people playing nb themselves, or crying for nerfs.Edited by Ragnarock41 on March 14, 2018 2:21PM1 -
techprince✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »techprince wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »techprince wrote: »This is what happens when you remove its hard counters. Very high burst, instant invisibility, crit heals, very small window for counter-play.
those counter plays were destroying everything else.
NB is, and was always an overtuned class. Ridicilous things like SA or power lash,cliff racer kept them in check.
At least we had counter plays.
as a solo stamDK, playing in no-cp I never had counterplay.
Its the same thing for the last few months for me. But I got laughed at for saying nb is not a weak class.
Now its funny to see the same people playing nb themselves, or crying for nerfs.
Cloak is a global issue. DOTS no longer break it, targeted direct damage no longer breaks it. AOE damage doesn't break it completely (they just become visible for split second and invisibility continues after). Dodge-roll / shields adds another layer of protection on top of it. The lack of "heals" is overcomed by HOT crit heals or burst heal from Healing Ward. So that leaves them with no downside.
I would rework cloak to have more counter play options and remove major defile + either stun or damage amp from Deathstroke.Edited by techprince on March 16, 2018 1:10PM0