I'm not sure you quite understand the implications of what you are saying.

What would you have them do, eliminate grouping in cyrodiil?

EDIT: Nvm, I guess it's a troll thread based on https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/400077/premade-groups-are-ruining-battlegrounds#latest

we'll just use outside means to coordinate, like discord or xbox parties. this is not a strong idea.

Ruined, wrecked, RIP PVP we hardly knew ye.

the issue is not premade groups.
the issue is all the players that don't know and/or understand what to do in pvp.

Oh. My. God.

This is the EXACT same complaint Destiny 2 is getting for the "teamshot meta" so people can't run around 1vEverybody like some wannabe lone wolf Rambo.

Guess what. It's a team based game. DEAL WITH IT.

I can get behind the idea that premature groups are ruining the BG experience for many people, but I can't support the suggestion that there shouldn't be coordinated groups or guilds in open PvP. That's a pretty ridiculous idea.

My vote is for BGs.

Biro123 wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

N’ah. Premade groups aren’t what is ruining PvP. This game’s arrogant developers, who refuse to separately balance PvE and PvP are what is ruining PvP. The people in charge like Wrobel are what is ruining PvP. Lag is ruining PvP, as well as numerous bugs and exploits that people take advantage of is ruining PvP. Players asking for nerfs to things that whoop that ass is what is ruining PvP. But premade groups? N’ah. Not at all.

Arrogant developers? How dare they make the game that they want to make?

You know what? I make games as a hobby. I make them based on the ideas that I have and the gameplay that I want. They get made because I put a lot of time, effort (and money to buy assets) into it. Me.
Is it arrogant of me to make the game that I want?
Or is it arrogant of someone else to expect me to change it into the game they want?

You make games for a hobby. It is yours. The devs have a job to keep the game and balance interesting and functional. And should be able to do that more than every 3 months.

Yeah, the lag, and a few non fatal reoccurring issues are deep rooted problems in spaghetti code. But everything else. No. The game coders and "devs" are different too. I refuse to believe it takes 3 months to come up with a new combat balance patch. I could honestly do it in a few days, even with better explanations than what is given. I doubt there is a rigorous testing process anyway, look at the first DB change, that wasn't tested at all. It was literally useless at the start of a fight.

Its not even an "I don't agree, fire them" that you see. I'm not so petty to call for someones job loss over a game decision, but lets be honest it doesn't take 3 months to fix a problem with a set not functioning proper. It doesn't take 3 months to change ability damage by 5%, it doesn't take 3 months to fix a slight scaling bug. We know this because they regularly fix these exploits/bugs within the week it is popularized, or completely change abilities mechanics between PTS updates.

We often see comments from the managers saying: Yeah, this isn't meant to be happening, we'll change it in the next major patch. Of course they have other stuff to be doing, but surely keeping it functional now is more important?

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Arrogant developers? How dare they make the game that they want to make?

Do you really think that the game we had today is the true manifestation of their cohesive vision?

• A game that flat out doesn't work at primetime?
• A game that promised 300 players on screen at the same time, delivered that promise, then backed out without explaining why?
• A game that even lags in PvE?
• A game where animation canceling, the top mechanic that determines endgame success, was an unintended side effect?

They aren't making the game they want to make either, they are making a cash funnel with an IV connected to it so the entire thing doesn't die.

Tbh the lag is here to stay mainly, mainly from old code that is now too foundational. They can only revise things to squeeze performance out of other areas.

A lot of the other issues are true though, how much unintended stuff is just left to, an ambiguous "eh *** it." We might fix eventually. Of the top of my head.

Things that are now features:
Ani cancelling.
Cloak crit healing+dots.
Cloak supressing dots (Lazy fix to stop breaking)

Things that are exploits/unintended:
Gapclose to keep
Chal/bleakers roleplay (Even acknowledged on ESO live)

???:
Wings not reflecting status effects
What elfbane affects (I say ??? because its intentional on zaan, but it only says abilities and isn't functional on grothdaar/illambris)

Such continuity... Such professionalism. Is it an exploit. Is it a feature, who knows. But it doesn't do what it says on the tin.

This game Need a better matching system.

Premade Guild groups have been there since the dawn of Cyrodiil. It’s a very fun way to play. I’m usually not in a group when in Cyro, but I don’t mind guild groups. Yes, it’s annoyingly when they just farm, but groups are necessary if you want to achieve anything on the map. I think it’s totally fine.

Lol. OP that is like saying that Hodor ruined PVE cos they were too organised. This makes no sense.