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just a small reminder to ZOS: This is not a f2p game.
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✭✭✭✭✭How would the Sub model work with these 'chapters' which are not included DLC to Premium users?Grand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!2 -
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✭Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »It's to the point I've stopped treating the developers as developers.
They aren't developers anymore. They are marketers and sellers of digital artwork.
Pretty much. Though it's kind of the artwork that feels like the cheaply made, yet overpriced knockoff stuff you buy at gift shops. They'll never be as good as what they're trying to imitate.Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!3 -
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✭ESO subscription costs me the same as my cell phone monthly fee, but I play 1000x more than hang on my phone.
The current model of ESO fits my expectations. I'm also happy it's so much player friendly.PC EU (PL): 14 characters. ESO player since 06.08.2015. Farkas finest quote: "Some people don't think I'm smart. Those people get my fist. But you, I like."8 -
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✭✭✭✭Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »Is this the I bought a 100 dollar digital cave thread?
$130*
$100*
...look I had big paycheck this week and made an iffy decision
Anyway, if I'd lose the current ESO+ benefits just to be stuck to the base game and purchased DLC, then I know I wouldn't be running that unpurchased content anymore, and I definitely still wouldn't buy it.0 -
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✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Maaaaan people said it would become this when they removed the required sub. Ppl argued but look who was right all along....
They publicly said when they removed the sub that they needed other sources of income to keep making quality content. They lied on that part tho.
Surprise surprise, capitalist publishers lied and just ramped up monetization while continuing overworking the devs all to fill their pockets with more and more of that crown store money that clearly never goes towards hiring enough devs to meet the demands for new content and bug fixes nor upgrading the server at any point."Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."
Para Nostram
Bosmer Sorceress
Witch of Evermore
"Death is a privilege that can be denied by it's learned scholars."
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✭✭IndyWendieGo wrote: »It's to the point I've stopped treating the developers as developers.
Ya'll it ain't the developer's fault, it's the publishers, the shareholders, the (to quote Guillermo del Toro) "*** with the money" pushing the developers to keep pumping out overly monetized trash as the new priority in addition to and at the cost of new content and bug fixes while hiring no new people and pocketing all the profits.Edited by ParaNostram on March 10, 2018 6:39PM"Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."
Para Nostram
Bosmer Sorceress
Witch of Evermore
"Death is a privilege that can be denied by it's learned scholars."
Order of the Black Worm3 -
akredon_ESO✭✭✭✭The thing i thing that really pisses a lot of folks off and my self included is the that. There are major issues that are affecting the general populace of the game but ZOS doesn't release a patch or anything that really resolves the issue. No they release 100+ dollar house that has no bearing on fixing the Glaring Performance issues. There not actively trying to collect data. There not Doing really much of anything to say Hey guys, We know you are having issues we know that this is an issue. It gets a "this is being investigated" and thats it No hey folks We need more information on how this is happening or whats going on
or anything it just silence. THAT is what is frustrating. Me i main a Templar and i refused to play this game when they broke Jabs. But My biggest issue with this game is How they constantly have wack a mole Bug issues. Like i understand programming, when you are working on Code one things break i get that but there bug squashing process either needs to be revamped or they need better coders its one of the two and im leaning to the fact the coders they have don't do a very good job at coding2 -
ValkynSketha✭✭✭✭✭I just wish they would add one mount/costume of each crate season that you can earn in game.4 -
Bevik✭✭✭✭WakeYourGhost wrote: »Of course this isn't a a Free to Play game -
Every Free to Play MMOrpg I've played as given all it's future content (Think ESO's DLC) and large expansions (Think ESO's Morrowind) for Free with no charge.
Every Free to Play MMOrpg I've played has also offered a way to transfer In-Game currency, a better average on Premium Currency prices, and frequent In-Game discounts.
Every Free to Play MMOrpg has split PvP and PvE balancing by tweaking numbers, values, and effects in PvP to keep the two separate enough to assure fun content between both.
Every Free to Play MMOrpg has had less lag, more frequent updates, more intractable content, friendlier RNG, Smooth PUGs with ways to assure every Roll needed was properly filled, in-game Moderation, and quick responses to glitches and issues.
This isn't a Free to Play game. It's a AAA Game.
...Wait, what the ***?
This pretty much describe a F2P but P2W game. Sadly.2 -
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✭Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »
Different teams work on different aspects of the game and in general the game is working fine. The only thing that annoys me about the game is the odd disconnect while in a big pvp battle.ParaNostram wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »It's to the point I've stopped treating the developers as developers.
Ya'll it ain't the developer's fault, it's the publishers, the shareholders, the (to quote Guillermo del Toro) "*** with the money" pushing the developers to keep pumping out overly monetized trash as the new priority in addition to and at the cost of new content and bug fixes while hiring no new people and pocketing all the profits.
My guess is the Senior Producer is the position where the buck actually stops.
That's the organisational role that decides on what content is delivered (or not).0 -
WakeYourGhost✭✭✭✭✭Demycilian wrote: »I fondly remember the p2p times.
Doesn’t having to buy the game upfront still count as pay to play?
I mean, you gotta buy the game, and dlc, and chapters -
Or, buy the “plus” optional subscription and buy the Chapters.
That still sounds Pay to Play.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Still laughing at the new crate announcement.
"If you want a taste..."
The first taste is always free...Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax0 -
DeadlyRecluse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I have yet to see any of the hallmark signs of true F2P depravity.
I don't spend a dime on the game besides subbing for the bag and buying morrowind. I don't really spend my crowns on anything but cosmetics.
Nobody who spends more real money on ESO has any measurable advantage over me. We cool.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub2 -
Kalante✭✭✭✭✭
✭subscription to play an unpolished game? In your dreams.Edited by Kalante on March 10, 2018 8:52PM1 -
DeadlyRecluse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭WakeYourGhost wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »I fondly remember the p2p times.
Doesn’t having to buy the game upfront still count as pay to play?
I mean, you gotta buy the game, and dlc, and chapters -
Or, buy the “plus” optional subscription and buy the Chapters.
That still sounds Pay to Play.
Generally, I've heard people describe the current setup as "buy to play" rather than "pay to play," to distinguish from the subscription model.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub2 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭There are free to play games that are far more polished, and with much more friendly, mature devs.
As the devs know this, they're just trying to milk their cash whales.Edited by Ragnarock41 on March 10, 2018 8:59PM10 -
WakeYourGhost✭✭✭✭✭DeadlyRecluse wrote: »WakeYourGhost wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »I fondly remember the p2p times.
Doesn’t having to buy the game upfront still count as pay to play?
I mean, you gotta buy the game, and dlc, and chapters -
Or, buy the “plus” optional subscription and buy the Chapters.
That still sounds Pay to Play.
Generally, I've heard people describe the current setup as "buy to play" rather than "pay to play," to distinguish from the subscription model.
That makes it really sound like people are splitting hairs so thin they may cause an atomic blast as they try to explain the finer points of the differences.
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Hostee✭✭✭WakeYourGhost wrote: »Of course this isn't a a Free to Play game -
Every Free to Play MMOrpg I've played as given all it's future content (Think ESO's DLC) and large expansions (Think ESO's Morrowind) for Free with no charge.
Every Free to Play MMOrpg I've played has also offered a way to transfer In-Game currency, a better average on Premium Currency prices, and frequent In-Game discounts.
Every Free to Play MMOrpg has split PvP and PvE balancing by tweaking numbers, values, and effects in PvP to keep the two separate enough to assure fun content between both.
Every Free to Play MMOrpg has had less lag, more frequent updates, more intractable content, friendlier RNG, Smooth PUGs with ways to assure every Roll needed was properly filled, in-game Moderation, and quick responses to glitches and issues.
This isn't a Free to Play game. It's a AAA Game.
...Wait, what the ***?
This dude has obviously never played a mobile f2p mmorpg like MU Origins for example.1 -
TheCyberDruid✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »As the devs know this, they're just trying to milk their cash whales.
But when you point that out the whales get all protective about how it's just their choice and that there's nothing wrong with a) the game and its real life money economy and b) spending huge amounts of money on content that is easily made and not nearly 'worth' the asking price. Well, I'm around for long enough to know how this ends. It was still a good ride and it won't happen tomorrow, but the signs are up and very hard to ignore.3 -
Hostee✭✭✭TheCyberDruid wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »As the devs know this, they're just trying to milk their cash whales.
But when you point that out the whales get all protective about how it's just their choice and that there's nothing wrong with a) the game and its real life money economy and b) spending huge amounts of money on content that is easily made and not nearly 'worth' the asking price. Well, I'm around for long enough to know how this ends. It was still a good ride and it won't happen tomorrow, but the signs are up and very hard to ignore.
Yeah just like WoW died, right?5 -
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✭✭✭✭Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »It's to the point I've stopped treating the developers as developers.
They aren't developers anymore. They are marketers and sellers of digital artwork.
this. just so much this.3 -
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✭✭✭✭WakeYourGhost wrote: »DeadlyRecluse wrote: »WakeYourGhost wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »I fondly remember the p2p times.
Doesn’t having to buy the game upfront still count as pay to play?
I mean, you gotta buy the game, and dlc, and chapters -
Or, buy the “plus” optional subscription and buy the Chapters.
That still sounds Pay to Play.
Generally, I've heard people describe the current setup as "buy to play" rather than "pay to play," to distinguish from the subscription model.
That makes it really sound like people are splitting hairs so thin they may cause an atomic blast as they try to explain the finer points of the differences.
I don't disagree. The difference is primarily academic lol.Edited by DeadlyRecluse on March 10, 2018 9:57PMThrice Empress, Forever Scrub1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭They probably suffer from the same fate that so many other game companies suffer from - people in marketing who don't play games themselves and do poor research on what ways there are to make profit out of a game.This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.0 -
Androconium✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ahem.
In most IT development, the developers don't bring the ideas to the table. They turn the ideas brought in by the product owner/business, into a working solution.
So this; all of this:Ragnarock41 wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »It's to the point I've stopped treating the developers as developers.
They aren't developers anymore. They are marketers and sellers of digital artwork.
this. just so much this.
Is piffle. So much piffle. The developers create what they are told to create.
You can't even blame them if what they create is broken. Someone, somewhere else in the organisation gave the direction to ship content on a particular date. If that content was untested and bugs not identified; or if content was tested and bugs were identified, BUT SHIPPED ANYWAY; then that still isn't the developer's decision.
Stop blaming the developers for decisions that they don't make.
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✭✭✭✭TheCyberDruid wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »As the devs know this, they're just trying to milk their cash whales.
But when you point that out the whales get all protective about how it's just their choice and that there's nothing wrong with a) the game and its real life money economy and b) spending huge amounts of money on content that is easily made and not nearly 'worth' the asking price. Well, I'm around for long enough to know how this ends. It was still a good ride and it won't happen tomorrow, but the signs are up and very hard to ignore.
I would also say it was a good ride. I am very happy to know that I played this game while It still had a soul.
But the thing is, MMOs don't die suddenly, instead they become ghost towns, because even if we are gone, those whales will probably stay in their 130$ digital caves. and If you pay 130 bucks for a digital cave, then you are the whale. There is no denying it.
Anyways, as a PvP player I gotta say the reason me and my guild considers leaving this game for isn't the cash milking.
We do realize zos wants the $$$ and we're fine with it. but the total bugfest, the horrible class balance, all the *** OP gear they keep adding to the game... and did I even mention the lag? Oh my god the lag....Edited by Ragnarock41 on March 10, 2018 10:25PM5 -
TheCyberDruid✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »We do realize zos wants the $$$ and we're fine with it. but the total bugfest, the horrible class balance, all the *** OP gear they keep adding to the game... and did I even mention the lag? Oh my god the lag....
Amen. If your game is working fine and everybody is happy, throw cosmetics at them until kingdom come. This is not where ESO is right now. Let's just wait and see where it goes though.5 -
Demycilian✭✭✭✭WakeYourGhost wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »I fondly remember the p2p times.
Doesn’t having to buy the game upfront still count as pay to play?
I mean, you gotta buy the game, and dlc, and chapters -
Or, buy the “plus” optional subscription and buy the Chapters.
That still sounds Pay to Play.
A BMW and a Mitsubishi both sound like cars too.
I suppose some people certainly keep paying. Tho if you have played p2p mmo like *cupcakes* or *peep* you will know the staggering difference in offer.Edited by Demycilian on March 10, 2018 11:02PM0
