I'd like foo to change type depending on highest stats. Dragon plate should remove snares for 4s it should also reflect 3 projectiles per person. Tadaa. Actual dragonknight instead of blockknight, giving a decent defense and ability to use rally for a burst heal.

They should make other things that stamDK could use more useful, corrosive needs a buff, Igneous shield should scale of stam (costing mag) and be longer again. Igneous weapons should give some bonus worth while to stam, most use molten.

Here's what id like to see:

Wings gives major expedition for 6 seconds after activation. This would greatly help mobility issues for all dragon knights.

Stone giant (stone fist morph) deals physical damage and costs stamina. Also deals 100% additional damage to stunned enemies. This allows it to synergize with petrify in a similar fashion to talons+whip for magdk. Currently nobody uses either ability on any build, so it would be a net plus.

Vapirko wrote: »

And Stamina Sorc please!

Make one of the crystal shard morphs a melee crystal punch that costs stamina and deals physical damage. I need a good spammable for my stamsorc outside weapon skills.

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

And Stamina Sorc please!

Make one of the crystal shard morphs a melee crystal punch that costs stamina and deals physical damage. I need a good spammable for my stamsorc outside weapon skills.

That actually sounds like an awesome idea. Crystal Blast can be something where you throw a punch with your fist surrounded by Crystal and when it hits it explodes doing the same AoE damage. That would look epic.

jeskah wrote: »

While im pretty much aboard the "more stamina morphs for everyone and a new weapon skill line for the magicka users" train, lets not forget - well, the devs should not forget - the already existing dull, uninteresting or downright underpowered already existing stamina - and well, magicka too - morphs.
Skills and morphs which are rarely used if used at all.

Last night i wondered about the fighters guild (a pretty basic line for everyone) skills for example:
Yeah, the passives are pretty good and strong - except the bounty hunter one, which i simply dont understand and never tried - but seriously, a passive for a daily quest? come on.

The ultimates are solid, but the skills...

Silver bolts and morphs are meh. The leash morph would be great, but a gap closer needing to press a button twice? I mean, 2 GCDs?

Circle is horrendously costly and the effects are... could be interesting - especially in PVP, where vampires roam like idunnowhat - but still, the cost.

Hunter - ehhhhhh... i remember the old one and i want it back
Seeing daedra, chance for damage and stamina return was simply godly compared to this.. (reducing FG guild stamina cost by 25%? for 5k? what abilities anyway? Spam circle?)

Trap is good even in the nerfed form.

And there are plenty of other skills/passives, class or non-class worth looking into.

You forgot to mention that this is only your opinion. Because, for example, I find Silver Bolts and Circle of Protection quite effective in both PVE and PVP. It seems to me that for someone Expert Hunter is useful too (at least for passives and buff).

The developers also have data on the popularity of these abilities. So they know better what needs to be corrected.

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Nephimana wrote: »

The reason most class abilities are magika is because magika players only have 2 weapon skill lines (destro and resto) mag dps only make use of 2 or 3 skills in the destro line and those skills can't be doubble barred for those destro+destro users, so they need a lot of class abilities. Stamina hass 4 weapon skill lines (dw, 2h, bow, s&b), same sort of thing where only 2 or 3 are useful, but thats for each one. It's fine as it is, but I would like to see useless morphs changed into something more useful, even if it is a stamina morph.
The only stink thing is where all stam classes feel exactly the same and quite boring.

Stamina only has two weapons as well 2h and DW so what's ur point?

You forget about bow and SnB?

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Minno wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Nephimana wrote: »

The reason most class abilities are magika is because magika players only have 2 weapon skill lines (destro and resto) mag dps only make use of 2 or 3 skills in the destro line and those skills can't be doubble barred for those destro+destro users, so they need a lot of class abilities. Stamina hass 4 weapon skill lines (dw, 2h, bow, s&b), same sort of thing where only 2 or 3 are useful, but thats for each one. It's fine as it is, but I would like to see useless morphs changed into something more useful, even if it is a stamina morph.
The only stink thing is where all stam classes feel exactly the same and quite boring.

Stamina only has two weapons as well 2h and DW so what's ur point?

You forget about bow and SnB?

SnB is not a dps skill line.

And Bow isn't a dps weapon either try making a dps build using the bow and see how far you will go.

But the term stamina weapons was used, not dps weapons. If we're going for dps weapons magicka really only has one (destro) vs 3 for stam (dw, 2h, bow).
And yes, bow is a damage weapon, there are bow/bow builds parsing 40k dps these days.

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Minno wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Nephimana wrote: »

The reason most class abilities are magika is because magika players only have 2 weapon skill lines (destro and resto) mag dps only make use of 2 or 3 skills in the destro line and those skills can't be doubble barred for those destro+destro users, so they need a lot of class abilities. Stamina hass 4 weapon skill lines (dw, 2h, bow, s&b), same sort of thing where only 2 or 3 are useful, but thats for each one. It's fine as it is, but I would like to see useless morphs changed into something more useful, even if it is a stamina morph.
The only stink thing is where all stam classes feel exactly the same and quite boring.

Stamina only has two weapons as well 2h and DW so what's ur point?

You forget about bow and SnB?

SnB is not a dps skill line.

And Bow isn't a dps weapon either try making a dps build using the bow and see how far you will go.

Didn't a DPS build get like 40k. Also snipe builds, and heavy bow builds. Poison inject is good. S/B can be used for damage with Light+ransack+bash, and heroics. Reverb defiles and stuns.

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Minno wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Nephimana wrote: »

The reason most class abilities are magika is because magika players only have 2 weapon skill lines (destro and resto) mag dps only make use of 2 or 3 skills in the destro line and those skills can't be doubble barred for those destro+destro users, so they need a lot of class abilities. Stamina hass 4 weapon skill lines (dw, 2h, bow, s&b), same sort of thing where only 2 or 3 are useful, but thats for each one. It's fine as it is, but I would like to see useless morphs changed into something more useful, even if it is a stamina morph.
The only stink thing is where all stam classes feel exactly the same and quite boring.

Stamina only has two weapons as well 2h and DW so what's ur point?

You forget about bow and SnB?

SnB is not a dps skill line.

And Bow isn't a dps weapon either try making a dps build using the bow and see how far you will go.

Literally every meta stam DPS build for PvE uses a bow.

Draxys wrote: »

No morphs need changing IMO, but stone fist is still dumb after 4+ years. Make that a completely different skill and make one a stam morph.

I think Stonefist an earth based pull called tectonics would be good, then change chains to something else. (I'm a dk doesn't need a gap closer, it's goofy as heck too.) that other ability can be something for stam.

Never understood chains when they could have gone with a more thematic ground based pull.

AOE skill that drops acid rain because it fits the poison theme!

I am guessing this is a pve discussion since the Op's suggestions makes little sense from a PvP perspective.

Outside of take flight stamina Dk is mostly a single target class. noxious breath is a veeeery tiny cone that literally tickles people.

seriously before someone quotes and trashtalks me, go and compare it to sub assault, before you come to me with ''hurr durr I 1vX'd 10 people with noxious breath Its op l2p''

Anyways, ground based aoe skills are sadly garbage in this game, (proven by the state of shifting standart, even the major defile does not change how bad it is), adding more will do nothing but make this class even more stronger in pve. IF thats what you want, then sure, good ideas.

but for PvP stamina inhale or ash cloud is gonna be pretty meh, unless the tooltips are ridicilously high. and I mean sub assault levels of high, and even then stamden will still be better with the sub assault+dbos combo.

''Then what do you suggest ?''

I would suggest reworking igneous weapons completely, and make it a poison based skill, literally nobody uses this, even the pve players pick the molten armaments. It could be an active skill that enchants your light-heavy attacks and make them deal extra poison damage based on your weapon damage. or something like that. there is just room for creativity here instead of the boring old ''major brutality+major sorcery because screw being original''

I would also say volatile armor should be a poison aoe ability, that reflects damage every X seconds based on how much you got hit, and hardened armor could also be improved to be more than just a buff with a veeery tiny shield.

And about the obsidian shield, I don't think this should be made a stamDk ability, since stamDK already has igneous shield, which got bombarded with nerfs in morrowind. How about we restore igneous shield instead of throwing every trash ability to stamDk? I would say that would be a better thing for this class.

Lynx7386 wrote: »

What if igneous weapons was changed to something like:

acidic weapons
Envenom your weapons, gaining major brutality for 20 seconds and causing your light and heavy attacks to deal X additional poison damage to all targets hit.

The amount of damage would scale with weapon damage and max stam. It still offers brutality for the bow builds. It would directly improve dps without adding overkill burst by simply making your light / heavy attack weaves deal more damage.

I don't even know why igneous weapons in its current state even exists, Its probably the single most useless ability in ESO.