The Question Everyone's Wondering, But No One Is Asking (Asylum 2H)

Rickter · March 2018

Hello ESO Community!

I have a question, that everyone seems to wonder but no one asks in regards to the Asylum 2hander:

does anyone know for certain whether the ulti gain scales more with Executioner or Reverse Slice morphs?

The tooltip is vague as hell. It says:

"When you deal damage with Reverse Slash, you generate up to X Ultimate based on how much execute bonus damage it dealt."

Alright, well Executioner deals 35% more execute dmg than reverse slice, but reverse slice deals execute dmg to surrounding players. So for pure ulti gain, would executioner be better?
If its based on the execute bonus dmg dealt, and executioner by default does more bonus dmg, then reading the tool tip literally would mean that executioner would net you more ulti gain
or does the asylum weapon take into consideration the bonus dmg dealt to surrounding players with reverse slice? if so, id say, given the right situation, reverse slice would net you more ulti gain.

No one seems to know and I fear we may need direct official input to solve this mystery.

Amdar_Godkiller · March 2018

You get 3 ultimate when the target is between 100% and 50% health.

From 50% to 0% you get 3 to 15 ultimate regardless of which morph you use. a better way to think of it is that it scales with what percentage of health the target has left, rather than how much bonus execute damage it does.

Bonus execute damage, however, does also scale to how much health the target has left as well.

Merlin13KAGL · March 2018

It's the distance from 50% that determines it, not the actual damage, or Executioner would be the clear winner.

So at 49% you might gain 1 ult, where at 1% you'll gain the full amount on the tooltip. It's about the % bonus (for targets below 50%), not the actual damage numbers.

rustic_potato · March 2018

Asardes wrote: »

I don't think this really matters a lot in practice since killing a player with it will net about the same ultimate gain. Maybe in PvE where execute sequences are longer you may see a difference but Asylum is not really used there.

Assembly general, Rakkhat and Mage are fights where the MT slots a Asylum 2h back bar and executes for major force uptime.

Also to answer OP's question. The difference between the morphs are irrelevant. Reverse slice scales in damage from 50% to 0. That damage is what the tooltip is referring to. So both morphs give the same amount of ult points for a given target HP.

starkerealm · March 2018

It caps at 14 (15 perfected) per use with either, so far as I know. Try using it on normal enemies with your ultimate number showing, and it will gain 3 before it starts scaling.

Rickter · March 2018

starkerealm wrote: »

It caps at 14 (15 perfected) per use with either, so far as I know. Try using it on normal enemies with your ultimate number showing, and it will gain 3 before it starts scaling.

this isnt answering the question though.

I feel like if we read the tool tip literally, then executioner is going to net you the most ulti gain as it deals up to 35% more execute bonus dmg than reverse slice does. but then that would make an entire weapon favor one morph which doesnt sound right either

Asardes · March 2018

I don't think this really matters a lot in practice since killing a player with it will net about the same ultimate gain. Maybe in PvE where execute sequences are longer you may see a difference but Asylum is not really used there.

Sixty5 · March 2018

It scales in a linear fashion based on the percentage bonus damage.

The morph you pick makes no difference.

Rickter · March 2018

Sixty5 wrote: »

It scales in a linear fashion based on the percentage bonus damage.

The morph you pick makes no difference.

can you elaborate, please? sorry, I'm dense and need it spelled out

Kanar · March 2018

Rickter wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

It scales in a linear fashion based on the percentage bonus damage.

The morph you pick makes no difference.

can you elaborate, please? sorry, I'm dense and need it spelled out

I think you will have to test yourself. Any reply you get in this thread will just be a guess or an assumption because just as you claim no one has asked this question and so no one has tested it.

starkerealm · March 2018

Kanar wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

It scales in a linear fashion based on the percentage bonus damage.

The morph you pick makes no difference.

can you elaborate, please? sorry, I'm dense and need it spelled out

I think you will have to test yourself. Any reply you get in this thread will just be a guess or an assumption because just as you claim no one has asked this question and so no one has tested it.

No, it's based on having not paid a lot of attention to the effects from the morphs. It's also entirely academic, as the tooltip says, the max bonus is capped by your version of the 2h. The normal version cannot gain more than 14 ultimate from one activation, while the perfected version is capped at 15. The morph you choose WILL NOT let you exceed this value.

It's possible that the bonus ultimate from Reverse Slice or Executioner scale at different rates, but even if that's true, they'll both reach the hard cap and stop.

Adenoma · March 2018

@Rickter , there is no difference in the scaling as of CWC. I tested both morphs then, but have not re-tested since DB released. Once upon a time I had a spread sheet where I compared on dummies at given health points, but I deleted it once I finished my tests so unfortunately I can't give you the precise scaling.

Nelson_Rebel · March 2018

starkerealm wrote: »

Kanar wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

It scales in a linear fashion based on the percentage bonus damage.

The morph you pick makes no difference.

can you elaborate, please? sorry, I'm dense and need it spelled out

I think you will have to test yourself. Any reply you get in this thread will just be a guess or an assumption because just as you claim no one has asked this question and so no one has tested it.

No, it's based on having not paid a lot of attention to the effects from the morphs. It's also entirely academic, as the tooltip says, the max bonus is capped by your version of the 2h. The normal version cannot gain more than 14 ultimate from one activation, while the perfected version is capped at 15. The morph you choose WILL NOT let you exceed this value.

It's possible that the bonus ultimate from Reverse Slice or Executioner scale at different rates, but even if that's true, they'll both reach the hard cap and stop.

Provided nothing is bugged. Yes this

Kanar · March 2018

starkerealm wrote: »

Kanar wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

It scales in a linear fashion based on the percentage bonus damage.

The morph you pick makes no difference.

can you elaborate, please? sorry, I'm dense and need it spelled out

I think you will have to test yourself. Any reply you get in this thread will just be a guess or an assumption because just as you claim no one has asked this question and so no one has tested it.

No, it's based on having not paid a lot of attention to the effects from the morphs. It's also entirely academic, as the tooltip says, the max bonus is capped by your version of the 2h. The normal version cannot gain more than 14 ultimate from one activation, while the perfected version is capped at 15. The morph you choose WILL NOT let you exceed this value.

It's possible that the bonus ultimate from Reverse Slice or Executioner scale at different rates, but even if that's true, they'll both reach the hard cap and stop.

You seem to know the question, based on your second paragraph, yet you continue to refuse to understand the question.

Let's start with this: where in the OP does he mention anything about differences in MAX ulti gen per skill activation?

Rickter · March 2018

starkerealm wrote: »

Kanar wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

It scales in a linear fashion based on the percentage bonus damage.

The morph you pick makes no difference.

can you elaborate, please? sorry, I'm dense and need it spelled out

I think you will have to test yourself. Any reply you get in this thread will just be a guess or an assumption because just as you claim no one has asked this question and so no one has tested it.

No, it's based on having not paid a lot of attention to the effects from the morphs. It's also entirely academic, as the tooltip says, the max bonus is capped by your version of the 2h. The normal version cannot gain more than 14 ultimate from one activation, while the perfected version is capped at 15. The morph you choose WILL NOT let you exceed this value.

It's possible that the bonus ultimate from Reverse Slice or Executioner scale at different rates, but even if that's true, they'll both reach the hard cap and stop.

This isnt what im asking.

Right now, that tool tip implies that you you gain UP TO 14/15 ultimate. What determines how much ulti you gain (between 1-14/15) is the BONUS dmg Reverse Slash and its Morphs give. So if Executioner is giving 35% MORE bonus execute dmg than Reverse Slice (we're talking the morphs here remember) then by definition of the tool tip, youd gain more ulti.

unless its like two posters stated that there is a set way the ulti gain scales, rendering the morphs irrelevant to the functionality of the tool tip.

either way @starkerealm im not asking how much ulti you gain at max potential (14/15 imperfected/perfected) im asking does the morph of Reverse Slash factor into that ulti gain considering the gain is reliant on the specific bonus dmg dealt by executing Reverse Slash on an opponent. Which if we are reading literally, Executioner morph provides more bonus dmg as a perk of that particular morph hence, more AS2h ulti gain.

does that make more sense?

starkerealm · March 2018

Rickter wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Kanar wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

It scales in a linear fashion based on the percentage bonus damage.

The morph you pick makes no difference.

can you elaborate, please? sorry, I'm dense and need it spelled out

I think you will have to test yourself. Any reply you get in this thread will just be a guess or an assumption because just as you claim no one has asked this question and so no one has tested it.

No, it's based on having not paid a lot of attention to the effects from the morphs. It's also entirely academic, as the tooltip says, the max bonus is capped by your version of the 2h. The normal version cannot gain more than 14 ultimate from one activation, while the perfected version is capped at 15. The morph you choose WILL NOT let you exceed this value.

It's possible that the bonus ultimate from Reverse Slice or Executioner scale at different rates, but even if that's true, they'll both reach the hard cap and stop.

This isnt what im asking.

Right now, that tool tip implies that you you gain UP TO 14/15 ultimate. What determines how much ulti you gain (between 1-14/15) is the BONUS dmg Reverse Slash and its Morphs give. So if Executioner is giving 35% MORE bonus execute dmg than Reverse Slice (we're talking the morphs here remember) then by definition of the tool tip, youd gain more ulti.

unless its like two posters stated that there is a set way the ulti gain scales, rendering the morphs irrelevant to the functionality of the tool tip.

either way @starkerealm im not asking how much ulti you gain at max potential (14/15 imperfected/perfected) im asking does the morph of Reverse Slash factor into that ulti gain considering the gain is reliant on the specific bonus dmg dealt by executing Reverse Slash on an opponent. Which if we are reading literally, Executioner morph provides more bonus dmg as a perk of that particular morph hence, more AS2h ulti gain.

does that make more sense?

Near as I can tell, the set is cuing off of the base damage modifier. I'm not 100% certain it's not actually querying the target's health percentage instead.

Now, it is possible that it's actually detecting the additional 35% damage from Executioner, but I seriously doubt it. And, even if that is the case, it would be virtually impossible to detect. We're talking about a difference between 4 or 5 ultimate on a given attack, which, good luck parsing that out in any meaningful way.)

It does not appear to scale ultimate generation off of Revere Slice's splash damage. (If it did, you'd expect it to either hit 14/15 much faster, or it would result in lower overall ultimate generation, which also doesn't appear to be the case.)

Now, the set does appear to cap out around 20-25% health (for what it's worth, I don't remember the exact value, I tested it a few times, and didn't really make a note afterwards). Again, I honestly couldn't tell you if that's because the set simply cues off the boss's health, or if that's when Reverse Slash's modifier pushes the set to it's cap.

I also can't tell you if it's a linear progression and the perfected version simply scales slightly faster because we're talking about a difference of less than one ultimate in almost all circumstances, and I haven't experimented extensively with a perfected version of the set.

So, no, not everyone's wondering this, because the difference is imperceptible.

jedtb16_ESO · March 2018

no....

i wasn't wondering. in fact i've never even thought about it.

starkerealm · March 2018

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

It's the distance from 50% that determines it, not the actual damage, or Executioner would be the clear winner.

So at 49% you might gain 1 ult, where at 1% you'll gain the full amount on the tooltip. It's about the % bonus (for targets below 50%), not the actual damage numbers.

Yeah, I kinda suspect it's straight up based on their health.

Rickter · March 2018

awesome thanks guys, case closed. I appreciate those that took the time

Adenoma · March 2018

It's because the tooltip mentions the base morph. Realistically, this is a scenario of read the tooltip. I only really tested to see if there was inappropriate scaling with executioner where the +35% would come into play and affect that ultimate gain.

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