Ballista vs Greater Storm Atro (pve stam sorc) Anyone have an answer?

BuddyAces · March 2018

Does one outperform the other or they pretty close?

As per title: PVE

exiars10 · March 2018

Ballista.

jeskah · March 2018

Ballista.

The atro does somewhat more damage (+synergy), but the tanks complaining about it and boss mechanics affect it (spreading curse at Maw f.e.).

GrumpyDuckling · March 2018

For PVE I'd go Storm Atronach, espeically if you coordinate with the other damage dealer because you can give them Major Berserk for their ultimate and they can buff your Atronach.

- Summon a greater storm atronach at the target location. The atronach’s arrival deals [x] Shock Damage and stuns nearby enemies for 3 seconds. The atronach cannot move but attacks the nearest enemy for 15% more damage.
- An ally can activate Charged Lighting, giving both the ally and the atronach Major Berserk, increasing their damage by 25% for 8 seconds.
- Increased duration, damage, and health.

Runefang · March 2018

It's better than ballista. People just need to stop dropping right on top of bosses.

Sixty5 · March 2018

Atronach deals a lot more damage, but takes longer to deal it.

Ballista is going to be better in burstier fights where the boss moves around a lot, or goes invulnerable.
Atronach is the better option for burning down bosses in long fights.

Personally I back bar Atronach, just because if I am going to run an ult just for single target, I'd rather it be the better one.

Also you get 8% more health while it is up, making you that much tankier.

AcadianPaladin · March 2018

I know it is not what you asked but thought I would mention that on my bow/bow stamsorc, I double slot Flawless Dawnbreaker. Why? Because it is a decent and very cheap ultimate but much more importantly, it gives me a nice passive bonus to damage 100% of the time just for slotting it.

Lynx7386 · March 2018

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

I know it is not what you asked but thought I would mention that on my bow/bow stamsorc, I double slot Flawless Dawnbreaker. Why? Because it is a decent and very cheap ultimate but much more importantly, it gives me a nice passive bonus to damage 100% of the time just for slotting it.

I typically only bother with flawless dawnbreaker on my main bar. You wont really be splitting time evenly between two bars, especially two bow bars, you'll be on one of them 60-80% of the time while the other one is used to refresh buffs and longer duration dots. For the short amount of time you're on the backbar, the bonus from flawless doesnt matter much - that's why you're better off using another ultimate there.

If you used atronach or ballista on your backbar, you could activate it and bar swap to the dawnbreaker bar, causing the atronach or ballista to deal more damage because your weapon damage is increased by dawnbreaker.

firedrgn · March 2018

What does you atro hit for on arrival on your stam toon. ?

Sixty5 · March 2018

firedrgn wrote: »

What does you atro hit for on arrival on your stam toon. ?

7k ish arrival damage, and then 3800 per tick unbuffed

For a total of 117k tooltip damage unbuffed
If you include the major berserk proc, that goes up to 125k tooltip.

Major brutality and weapon enchant procs are also going to boost that

For comparison, my Dawnbreaker has about a 30k tooltip.

datgladiatah · March 2018

But it won't apply to personal penetration or crit as much though. Is that worth it based on the cost in the end of things? The thing that really sounds worth it is major brutality, but otherwise I can't see this really doing much over ballista.

EDIT: Obviously this probably applies to mechanical acuity somehow and that makes hybrid damage more worthwhile i suppose...

Lynx7386 · March 2018

Sixty5 wrote: »

firedrgn wrote: »

What does you atro hit for on arrival on your stam toon. ?

7k ish arrival damage, and then 3800 per tick unbuffed

For a total of 117k tooltip damage unbuffed
If you include the major berserk proc, that goes up to 125k tooltip.

Major brutality and weapon enchant procs are also going to boost that

For comparison, my Dawnbreaker has about a 30k tooltip.

Wish I could see that tooltip damage on console.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · March 2018

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

firedrgn wrote: »

What does you atro hit for on arrival on your stam toon. ?

7k ish arrival damage, and then 3800 per tick unbuffed

For a total of 117k tooltip damage unbuffed
If you include the major berserk proc, that goes up to 125k tooltip.

Major brutality and weapon enchant procs are also going to boost that

For comparison, my Dawnbreaker has about a 30k tooltip.

Wish I could see that tooltip damage on console.

He is doing math. 3800*28=106,400, 106,400+7,000= 114000ish. You can figure out how much that would be multiplying that number by the total of your critical chance multiplyed by your critical hit Damage. For example, my Stam sorc has a 47% crit chance and a 77% CHD, so .47*.77= .36. I can expect an average 36% more Damage then the tooltip. So with 114,000 total, you get 114,000*.36=41040 and you add that to the original 114,000 and you get 155,040. I can expect an average of 155k total Damage before mobs resists are taken into account.

Lynx7386 · March 2018

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

firedrgn wrote: »

What does you atro hit for on arrival on your stam toon. ?

7k ish arrival damage, and then 3800 per tick unbuffed

For a total of 117k tooltip damage unbuffed
If you include the major berserk proc, that goes up to 125k tooltip.

Major brutality and weapon enchant procs are also going to boost that

For comparison, my Dawnbreaker has about a 30k tooltip.

Wish I could see that tooltip damage on console.

He is doing math. 3800*28=106,400, 106,400+7,000= 114000ish. You can figure out how much that would be multiplying that number by the total of your critical chance multiplyed by your critical hit Damage. For example, my Stam sorc has a 47% crit chance and a 77% CHD, so .47*.77= .36. I can expect an average 36% more Damage then the tooltip. So with 114,000 total, you get 114,000*.36=41040 and you add that to the original 114,000 and you get 155,040. I can expect an average of 155k total Damage before mobs resists are taken into account.

I know that, but my tooltip on PS4 only shows the 7600 or so initial damage, it doesnt show any damage per hit or per tick or per second or anything after that, so the only way to figure out my atro's actual damage is to use it on a dummy and see the numbers pop up.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · March 2018

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

firedrgn wrote: »

What does you atro hit for on arrival on your stam toon. ?

7k ish arrival damage, and then 3800 per tick unbuffed

For a total of 117k tooltip damage unbuffed
If you include the major berserk proc, that goes up to 125k tooltip.

Major brutality and weapon enchant procs are also going to boost that

For comparison, my Dawnbreaker has about a 30k tooltip.

Wish I could see that tooltip damage on console.

He is doing math. 3800*28=106,400, 106,400+7,000= 114000ish. You can figure out how much that would be multiplying that number by the total of your critical chance multiplyed by your critical hit Damage. For example, my Stam sorc has a 47% crit chance and a 77% CHD, so .47*.77= .36. I can expect an average 36% more Damage then the tooltip. So with 114,000 total, you get 114,000*.36=41040 and you add that to the original 114,000 and you get 155,040. I can expect an average of 155k total Damage before mobs resists are taken into account.

I know that, but my tooltip on PS4 only shows the 7600 or so initial damage, it doesnt show any damage per hit or per tick or per second or anything after that, so the only way to figure out my atro's actual damage is to use it on a dummy and see the numbers pop up.

does your tooltip not read like this?

Greater Storm Atronach IV 200 Ultimate

Summon an immobile storm atronach at the target location. Its arrival deals 4098 Shock Damage and stuns enemies for 3 seconds. The atronach zaps the closest enemy, dealing 2048 Shock Damage every 1 second. An ally near the atronach can activate the Charged Lightning synergy, granting the ally and the atronach Major Berserk, increasing their damage done by 25% for 8 seconds. Increases the health and duration of the atronach.

because if it does, it certainly does say that,"doesnt show any damage per hit or per tick or per second" in the bold.

Lynx7386 · March 2018

No, my tooltip only says "does x damage on arrival" and the bit about major berserk synergy. Nothing about zapping nearby enemies or how much damage its attacks do.

Could just be a console issue.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · March 2018

is there a way you could get a screenshot or picture becuase i really want to see that.

Lynx7386 · March 2018

Yea when I get home from work ill check it out

BuddyAces · March 2018

Lynx7386 wrote: »

No, my tooltip only says "does x damage on arrival" and the bit about major berserk synergy. Nothing about zapping nearby enemies or how much damage its attacks do.

Could just be a console issue.

For real? That's pretty....I don't even know.

Lynx7386 · March 2018

Ok I just double checked while on my lunch break, and I do see it now, but I swear to god the tooltip didn't have that bit the last time I checked it (which was pre-dragonbones admittedly, but I didn't see anything about that in the natch potes).

AcadianPaladin · March 2018

Lynx7386 wrote: »

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

I know it is not what you asked but thought I would mention that on my bow/bow stamsorc, I double slot Flawless Dawnbreaker. Why? Because it is a decent and very cheap ultimate but much more importantly, it gives me a nice passive bonus to damage 100% of the time just for slotting it.

I typically only bother with flawless dawnbreaker on my main bar. You wont really be splitting time evenly between two bars, especially two bow bars, you'll be on one of them 60-80% of the time while the other one is used to refresh buffs and longer duration dots. For the short amount of time you're on the backbar, the bonus from flawless doesnt matter much - that's why you're better off using another ultimate there.

If you used atronach or ballista on your backbar, you could activate it and bar swap to the dawnbreaker bar, causing the atronach or ballista to deal more damage because your weapon damage is increased by dawnbreaker.

Good points! Thanks for your insight - certainly something for me to think about.

Sixty5 · March 2018

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Ok I just double checked while on my lunch break, and I do see it now, but I swear to god the tooltip didn't have that bit the last time I checked it (which was pre-dragonbones admittedly, but I didn't see anything about that in the natch potes).

Yeah, I am fairly certain it was a recent change, along with them messing with some of the damage scaling on it.

Even on Mag Sorc you are going to want Atro as your single target ulti, just because of the disgusting amout of damage it deals.